... The iota has hidden quantity in the acc. _Trikke:n_ (Il. 2:729), but the monokappatic gen. _Trike:s_ (Il. 4:202) requires a short iota by scansion: la:o:n,...
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dgkilday57
Mar 1, 2013 1:54 am
... Very interesting. The phoneme *f is relatively rare, and the correspondences for this lexeme are regular. That does not exclude borrowing from an IE...
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stlatos
Mar 1, 2013 5:44 am
... Or pH / h / 0 or w (or h / y before old front V (xW > xY like gWH > gYH first, etc.). That would likely mean orig. m (as shown by m, > w, > u in puxDa-)...
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stlatos
Mar 1, 2013 6:05 am
... To clarify some things, I'm sure 'fist' wasn't borrowed, but native; but IE had mkW anyway. ... That is, the rec. DOES show f-, but if I'm right '5'...
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cybalist@yahoogroups....
Mar 1, 2013 9:04 pm
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Joao S. Lopes
josimo70
Mar 1, 2013 11:12 pm
Thanks for the reply and explanations. JS Lopes ________________________________ De: dgkilday57 <dgkilday57@...> Para: cybalist@yahoogroups.com Enviadas:...
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Tavi
oalexandre
Mar 3, 2013 6:55 pm
... I strongly disagree. The NEC word means 'fist', a meaning which in IE only appears in a *derivated form* found in Germanic, Slavic and Baltic (the latter...
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Rick McCallister
gabaroo6958
Mar 3, 2013 11:13 pm
So, where does Latin pugnus come from --it looks some truly warped derivational form from *penkwe- ... Â ... I strongly disagree. The NEC word means 'fist', a...
... This is likely from some reflex of Celtic *wowilano- 'seagull' (Irish faoileann, Welsh gwylan, Breton gouelan). Source: "A Checklist of Proto-Celtic...
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caotope
Mar 4, 2013 12:22 am
... This example seems to come up frequently around these parts, so I took a look at the other examples listed as containing PNC *f- here. I agree that a...
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Tavi
oalexandre
Mar 4, 2013 12:42 pm
... Gamkrelidze-Ivanov and Nikolayev agree in deriving vitrum from *k´wei-t- 'light, white' (cfr. Lithuanian s^vìtra- 'sandpaper'), with *k´w- > Latin w- as...
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stlatos
Mar 4, 2013 9:35 pm
... That's not kYw- but kw- (kvapas = breath/odor Lith; etc.), and neither would be a regular change. There's no reason to expect a regular change for either...
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dgkilday57
Mar 5, 2013 1:44 am
... PIE *k(^)woi-dH-to- should give Gmc. *haizda-, and PIE *k(^)wi-twa-ti- should give Grk. *tisatis, so I doubt that the three words for 'woad' in question...
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dgkilday57
Mar 5, 2013 1:59 am
... In _quadri/u-_ we may have contamination with an old word for 'whetstone', *quadrum, replaced by _co:s_; cf. OE _hwaet_ 'keen, bold', OS _hwat_ 'id.', OHG...
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stlatos
Mar 5, 2013 6:25 am
... Wrong. You're probably thinking of kWo > ko , a theory I don't agree with: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/48731 ... but whether that...
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stlatos
Mar 5, 2013 6:50 am
... That is certainly a possibility that I would never have thought of. There's a reason for that. ... So all Latin words that would have -dr- were influenced...
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stlatos
Mar 5, 2013 7:22 am
... Also, the L cognate is supposedly: tri-quetrus = 3-cornered / triangular L; also w -dr- > -tr-....
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Rick McCallister
gabaroo6958
Mar 5, 2013 1:25 pm
"goad" or "woad"? ... From: Tavi <oalexandre@...> Subject: [tied] Re: Stacking up on standard works To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 4,...
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Rick McCallister
gabaroo6958
Mar 5, 2013 1:36 pm
So then square and corner go back to the same root in Latin> ... From: stlatos <sean@...> Subject: [tied] Re: Stacking up on standard works To:...
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Tavi
oalexandre
Mar 5, 2013 4:35 pm
... *k´wei-t- 'light, white' (cfr. Lithuanian s^vìtra- 'sandpaper'), with *k´w- > Latin w- as in *k´wep- > vapor. ... neither would be a regular change. ...
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Tavi
oalexandre
Mar 5, 2013 4:36 pm
... *k´wei-t- 'light, white' (cfr. Lithuanian s^vìtra- 'sandpaper'), with *k´w- > Latin w- as in *k´wep- > vapor. ... (Isatis tinctoria)' would be derived...
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Tavi
oalexandre
Mar 5, 2013 4:37 pm
... Taht's right. ... There're many "irregular" (with regard to std model) sound changes in Latin. ... Latin trahere, as well as pinguis, would be rare...
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stlatos
Mar 5, 2013 5:36 pm
... No; 1 shows dr > tr , the other tr > dr, 1 shows kYw > qu, the other kW > qu, making them separate....
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Bhrihskwobhloukstroy
bhrihskwobhl...
Mar 5, 2013 6:43 pm
... *Bhr.: there's no need of *k'leu- for glo:ria, Greek khlo:r'o-s is a perfect match; by the way, kwapas isn't from *kWep- (three phonemes) but from *kwep-...
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stlatos
Mar 5, 2013 6:58 pm
... To clarify, kYw > kWw ( > etc.) appears true (-q- in Myc), but not kw (if, as likely, kapnías = smoky () is conn. to {kapniya()} Myc = chimney). Also,...
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Tavi
oalexandre
Mar 5, 2013 7:38 pm
... 'sandpaper'), ... in ... I already considered this etymology, but given the meaning 'glory' of several cognates in other IE languages, I consider the...
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stlatos
Mar 5, 2013 8:14 pm
... I looked this up and found: çvitrá- = white S; s^vitràs = glasspaper/sandpaper Lith; ... If vitrum is native, I'd derive it from vide:re w common dr >...
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Tavi
oalexandre
Mar 5, 2013 10:06 pm
... I'd suggest we make a pool about all the proposed etymologies of Latin vitrum: 1) *k´wei-t- 'bright, to shine' 2) *wed- 'water' 3) *weid- 'to know (as a...
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stlatos
Mar 5, 2013 11:33 pm
... Also, probably: citrum = fragrant wood of the citrus tree, citrus L; kédros = cedar/juniper, kédron = juniper berry G; So, instead of "The purported...
