... Could you only lease one pipe? Or did you lease one pipe to for internet access, one pipe for telephone service, one pipe for video service, one pipe for...
Sean Donelan
sean@...
Jul 2, 2006 5:47 am
50235
Well put. John Noble ... ********************************************************************** For Listserv Instructions, see http://www.lawlists.net/cyberia ...
J. Noble
jfnbl@...
Jul 2, 2006 6:25 pm
50236
Well, there are pipes which are trustworthy and some not so much. Optical is subject to being messed with more than wire, and there are methods for...
John Young
jya@...
Jul 2, 2006 7:56 pm
50237
... Only villainous because their villainy is barred. SysAdmins should leave our bar alone -- it's already low enough to admit engineers practicing patents....
J. Noble
jfnbl@...
Jul 2, 2006 10:47 pm
50238
... That is like asking lawyers to get their bar from a cracker jack box.... ********************************************************************** For...
Drew Lehman - DigitaT...
dlehman@...
Jul 3, 2006 2:24 am
50239
... pipe ... in ... contracted ... among ... with ... I view net neutrality from a consumer protection perspective, so my thoughts are heavily tilted toward...
Wes Morgan
wes_morgan@...
Jul 3, 2006 4:59 pm
50240
... Isn't that the nature of discussions about "net neutrality." Everyone seems to have a different opinion of what it should mean, ranging from how Misener...
Sean Donelan
sean@...
Jul 3, 2006 7:02 pm
50241
... But the whole issue arises on the convergence of the media in a single pipe. ... The contract with your ISP isn't going to provide end-to-end ...
J. Noble
jfnbl@...
Jul 3, 2006 7:41 pm
50242
... The ISP does not (and, in my opinion) should not have contractual arrangements with third-party content providers. I say "third-party content providers...
Wes Morgan
wes_morgan@...
Jul 3, 2006 8:05 pm
50243
... pipe. ... Not necessarily true. For instance, DiffServ prioritization information (i.e. network-layer priority) can stay with the individual packet(s),...
Wes Morgan
wes_morgan@...
Jul 3, 2006 8:53 pm
50244
... I don't understand this point. Are you using "some particular client software" to distinguish between client/server software? You seem to be saying that...
J. Noble
jfnbl@...
Jul 3, 2006 9:16 pm
50245
... Indeed, why not allow telcos to provide telephone solicitors with privileged access to you, based on contract? Surely that would provide telcos with extra...
Mike Godwin
mnemonic@...
Jul 3, 2006 9:18 pm
50246
... It seems to me that Net Neutrality (like any other policy) is about resource distribution and loss allocation. -M ...
Martin
mwk_public@...
Jul 3, 2006 9:22 pm
50247
... Outbound 800 service. ... Except the privileged access provided content providers isn't for cold-calls selling timeshares in Florida while you're having...
J. Noble
jfnbl@...
Jul 3, 2006 9:43 pm
50248
... I don't know much about this, but isn't there an issue regarding traffic exchange with network points that are not peers because they are not paying their...
J. Noble
jfnbl@...
Jul 3, 2006 9:52 pm
50249
... I meant "seriously privileged." Everybody knows not to answer the caller-ID'd 800-number calls. But why not allow the telcos to give superduper access to...
Mike Godwin
mnemonic@...
Jul 3, 2006 11:00 pm
50250
... Are you suggesting that providers should not have contracts with companies like GigaNews and Supernews to provide USENET services to their subscribers, or...
Sean Donelan
sean@...
Jul 4, 2006 2:00 am
50251
... There you go. I never had caller-ID until I got a cellphone, which was late in the game. We just had a rule. The telephone doesn't get answered during...
J. Noble
jfnbl@...
Jul 4, 2006 2:40 am
50252
... There's a zen quality to that, but what I meant was why are its advocates opposed to prioritizing internet traffic. ...
J. Noble
jfnbl@...
Jul 4, 2006 3:09 am
50253
... Various "equal access" laws and regulations require ILECs to provide third-parties equivalent access to directory information, network interfaces, etc....
Sean Donelan
sean@...
Jul 4, 2006 3:12 am
50254
They're opposed to having to pay extra rents to carriers in order to be competitive, in addition to paying bandwidth costs. --Mike ... Mike Godwin ...
Mike Godwin
mnemonic@...
Jul 4, 2006 3:38 am
50255
... So far as I know, nobody wants ISPs to become neutral in this way. --Mike Mike Godwin mnemonic@... ...
Mike Godwin
mnemonic@...
Jul 4, 2006 3:41 am
50256
... Listen, I don't care HOW they define it as long as data pipes I am offered as a consumer offer the same level of service to ALL destinations. The private...
Drew Lehman - DigitaT...
dlehman@...
Jul 4, 2006 4:46 am
50257
People toss that word around -- "rents" -- like it's something evil. I pay more -- "extra rents" -- for air-conditioning, in addition to the cost per square...
J. Noble
jfnbl@...
Jul 4, 2006 5:32 am
50258
Nobody in favor of net neutrality is suggesting that anyone receive services for free. When I hear someone suggest otherwise, the most logical inference is...
Mike Godwin
mnemonic@...
Jul 4, 2006 5:56 am
50259
... If you've been paying any attention at all, you understand that my argument has been that people are overpaying for bandwidth because the cost is...
J. Noble
jfnbl@...
Jul 4, 2006 9:19 am
50260
... Regardless of how you want to define it, today's Internet doesn't provide the same level of service to ALL destinations. The good thing about TCP/IP is it...
Sean Donelan
sean@...
Jul 4, 2006 6:31 pm
50261
If existing anti-trust laws are sufficient to address potential abuse by access network operators, then why all the ruckus for the last few months trying to...
Sean Donelan
sean@...
Jul 4, 2006 10:41 pm
50262
... Well, I was paying attention to the part that used the word "free" -- was that your sentence? ... I meant to be understood as saying that "... the most...
Mike Godwin
mnemonic@...
Jul 5, 2006 4:02 am
50263
... That's a big if. --m Mike Godwin mnemonic@... ********************************************************************** For Listserv Instructions, see...
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