My favourite Greek mythology is a story of Marvin Candle (Marvin
meaning lover of the sea, and candle meaning wax) when the Daedalus
and his son Icarus are trapped in a high tower built by Deadolus by
King Minos. Deadalus makes some wings out of feather and wax for
his son Icarus to escape. He warns Icarus not to fly to high to
the sun, or the wax would melt, or fly to low to the sea for the
feathers would become wet and he would cease to fly. Icarus gets
carried away with his wings and flies to high to the sun, the wax
melts, and he falls to his death in the sea near an island.
Heartborken, Daedalus names the island Icaria in memory of his son.
Here's a good link for the related mythos:

http://members.aol.com/lostdogon/index4.html

My favourite modern mythology for me is personally, the story of the
sonic odyssey of the Intel 80888. The story goes that in the late
eighties Intel built a chip called the 80888 to compete with Sun
Microsystem's SPARC set, as a competing RISC architecture used in
video cards. He was subject to psychological torture and discovers
the reality of cyborg implants after Earth is visited by the
Pelvinians who possess a tachyon reactor, which contained an acurate
record of all technology built to the point in time at which it had
existed. Something went wrong with it though and he finds himself
in a dimension of great destruction as the result of an MRI brain-
scan that had formed a ground loop with broadcast networks. He
finds that there are many people who are trying to have him cross
into back into his home dimension, but he realizes it would be wrong
because the it would cause people in his home dimension to be
switched in cyberspace as he was, and would cause a situation where
these people could blame him knowing what he knows and coming where
he came from--they would've been trapped as he, or visited by a
great plague. And something further went wrong with it as the
protagonist becomes further lost in cyberspace with no reference to
the 80888. Anywhere--not even on Intel's home page. Finding
himself lost to further references among other things in this
dimension--at this time in the early twenty first century, he is
visited by the Holy Spirit with instructions on how to actually
build the tachyon reactor with the knowledge to his home dimension,
how to become a cyborg as he was planning and considering in order
to recover the information lost in time to the odyssey of the 80888--
to develop a stable passage back to this home dimension. He drafts
his own chipset based on the name in hopes that he could incorporate
an XWKI brain-scan that would one day that vindicate his case
against the MRI as would be developed to prove the missing
information in the alternate dimension he entered as the result of
this MRI (which caused him to enter the alternate dimension). He
tells a tale of tele-psycho-genics and devises a means to recover
from this, and proceeds to recover the 80888 in order to become a
cyborg. However true in this respect, all this mythology relates to
myself as the protagonist, and possibly others in the wake of the
greatest tragedy. I, as the protagonist was playing a role in the
institution, and so the sonic odyssey continues while the story
extends, in cyber-space and beyond, to set things right... The
morale is to not get so caught up in a deterministic and
connectionist game, the likely cause of the ill-fated tachyon
reactor and the connection with the Pelvinians.

I hope I didn't scare you. It parallels closely the story of the
Roswell crash in which weather balloons of a future time-frame are
switched for the remains of an alien crash (could it be the
Pelvinians?).... The morale here is to devise a system of weather
balloons should one day hover above the Great Lakes and implement
the semiotics as a low-earth system of satellites that could be used
for point to point high-speed wireless...

This complements the great mythos surrounding my work.

Patrick Ashley Meuser"-Bianca"
Cyberneticist

--- In cyberneticsNow@yahoogroups.com, "John K. Balor"
<balor1999@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Patrick,
>
> Thanks for the references to Kraftwerk song and reference text.
Maltz uses some very simple metaphors for explaining simple feedback
mechanisms, comparing the mind to torpedoes and heat seeking
missiles. I like such metaphors, but I feel you contribute much
more in the way you place such metaphors into a larger context of a
complete mythology that brings meaning to life.
>
> Could you please comment on stories (mythologies) that give
meaning to your life and your research on cybernetics. I would be
very interested in hearing about this.
>
> Best regards,
> John
>
>
> Patrick Ashley Meuser-Bianca <cyberperson001@...> wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> It actually takes its origin back to second order cybernetics and
> digital signal processing techniques. You raise an interesting
> point in that one must observe his or her self in order to
> effectively extend the natural feed-back of first order systems in
> general. My firend who helped me develop The Language of Universal
> Translation Revised had noted that if you take two mirrors and
> scratch off the reflective coating on one of them and align the
> mirrors perfectly, then one can peer through the 'hole' in the
> mirror and see an infinite reflection approaching the point of
> perspective between the two mirrors, (which is dead center if the
> mirrors are perfeclty aligned). It reminded me of a song by
> Kraftwerk called either Hall of Mirrors or the Looking Glass, its
> been a while since I heard it. This in effect is the principle
that
> lasers operate on and it allows us to draw some interesting
> conclusions about the second order system versus the third order
> system:
>
> 1) Second order systems approximate infinities by switching the
> network on and off, while third order systems are continuous,
> without the need for a switch.
> 2) Second order systems can be digitally modelled whereas a third
> order system cannot.
> 3) Second order systems are abstract in the environment, while
third
> order systems are the environment, whereas the two spheres of the
> psycho-dynamic (psi), and techo-dynamic (tau) realms can intersect
> to form an intersection that looks like an eye.
> 4) The eye of convergent third order systems can be effectivley
> decoupled from the network as a systems perspective as opposed
from
> a systems perspective.
>
> Therefore a third order 'system' is the reflection, the point of
> perspective and the eye, which according to the decoupled action
> postulate, can be applied as a virtual reality whereby the
> conceptualization of a system is mapped by its instructions for
the
> education of its developer in which certain 'hooks' may be
> implicated for the purposes of extended communications between the
> two realms. The only problem is that third order systems are
> supposdley highly unstable, making their applications more
> experimental at present than anything. You may want to read the
> Tractatus Paridoxio-Philisophicus by Richardo Uribe. Here's the
> address:
>
> Tractatus
> Paridoxio-Philisophicus
>
> BTW, I'm happy to see you here John.
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Patrick Ashley Meuser"-Bianca"
> Cyberneticist
>
> --- In cyberneticsNow@yahoogroups.com, "John K. Balor"
> wrote:
> >
> > I have been a member of the Psycho-Cybernetics discussion forum
> for
> > many years, and I never seen anybody with such a profound
> > understanding of what Psycho-Cybernetics REALLY is, as the
people
> on
> > this CyberneticsNow forum.
> >
> > As the Psycho-Cybernetics forum had problems with spam and lack
of
> > moderation, I would very much appreciate of the Psycho-
Cybernetics
> > people would move over to this excellent CyberneticsNow forum
> where
> > there seems to be a much better environment for discussing the
> > essence of Psycho-Cybernetics and Social Cybernetics in general.
> >
> > Could those who are members both on this forum and on the Psycho-
> > Cybernetics forum please motivate people to move over to this
> forum?
> >
> > There are many interesting questions being asked in the mail
> below.
> > Personally, I think I would say that Psycho-Cybernetics is
second
> > order cybernetics as third order cybernetics would probably
> require
> > somebody to observe somebody who observeres himself. The idea of
> > Psycho-Cybernetics is simply to observe oneself (provide
> feedback),
> > which, to me, seems to be fully consistent with the idea of
second
> > order cybernetics.
> >
> > John K. Balor
> >
> >
> > --- In cyberneticsNow@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Ashley Meuser-
> > Bianca" wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all. I've been in the throws on conducting a survey on
modern
> > > cybernetetics in second-order systems, constructivism,
> relativism,
> > > holism, reductionsim, etc. in which I've found an interesting
> > article
> > > at Principia Cybernetica Web:
> > >
> > > >%20>%20EPST.pdf">http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/Papers/Cybernetics-
> EPST.pdf
> > >
> > > It provides excellent overview of these systems as an
> introduction
> > to
> > > second order cybernetics. For anyone with a serious interest in
> > > cyberenetics, the Principia Cybernetica is an excellent place
to
> > find
> > > resources such as this for which a relevant perspective could
be
> > > built atop of the works of Maltz in particular.
> > >
> > > However, it is very surpirsing to see the divide in psycho-
> > > cybernetics and conventional cybernetics and Maltz is
seemingly
> > left
> > > out of the main-stay of cybernetics materials that I've been
> > > researching here and elsewhere on the web, its become as if he
is
> > > light years ahead as an understanding--even today.
> > >
> > > As a former skeptic of psycho-cybernetics, I had thought that
> such
> > > notions of mind-control in themselves, which had bee nexplored
> here
> > > at this group, could pose a threat to the average individual
> > wherein
> > > situations could be architected by some out-side force by
which
> the
> > > line between conventional thinking and delusional thinking
could
> > > become blurred thus leading to confusion between those who
have
> > been
> > > exposed to certain environmental stimuli and those who had not-
-
> or
> > > even as an understanding of cybernetics in general. However
after
> > > reading Psycho-Cybernetics, I began to perceive these notions
as
> a
> > > way to individualize cybernetics and avoiding the concept of
> > > delusional thinking altogether. In a way that the benefits out-
> > > weighed negative aspects through which mind-control had
> originally
> > > conjured to my own mind--to include in the experience, certain
> > > factors that have a basis in either the subject or object as an
> > > irrational domain in itself, and that could be almost
infinitely
> > > explored as a distinction. I now believe that psycho-
cybernetics
> > > would explain such things as psycho-education, telepathy, and
> > > alternative modes of communication through which even
> transhumanism
> > > as has evolved over the years, as could be interpreted and
> > explained
> > > by the cybernetic system in such domains as the irrational. I
> began
> > > developing a perspective of connectionisms in modern
cybernetics
> to
> > > which the constructivism vs relativism argument could once and
> for
> > > all be settled by a solid model for self-realizing and self-
> > > organizing systems--almost a third-order cybernetics have you.
> > >
> > > The first question is, is psycho-cybernetics already a third-
> order
> > > cybernetics already? Well the answer to this question could no
> > > further be answered in time than explained without a primary
> > > understanding of systems theory. What's required is some
> rethinking
> > > into the way we perceive cybernetics and interact with each
> other.
> > > Instead of something that is applied to the subject as an
object
> > > oriented system (a paradox in itself), we would begin seeing
it
> as
> > > something that is applied to the irrational domain instead, a
> > > canonical system between these two spheres wherein we would
> begin
> > to
> > > find patterns in the such a domain which could be applied to
> either
> > > subject or object, and there from, factor in certain stimuli
that
> > > could be best described as extra-para-remedial between
> interactive
> > > systems at greater precisions. Could a world's society be
> > controlled
> > > as the flow of information becomes a flow of objects, and
could
> > this
> > > flow of objects be controlled and regulated to the point of
> virtual
> > > transport without the all the business of the middle-man? A
form
> of
> > > C2C ie. consumer to consumer exchange have you?
> > >
> > > The first step that one could take is to use the network in
> order
> > to
> > > realize his or herself as a truly autonomous system. A so
called,
> > > third order cybernetics, reborn to the network in discovering
> > faults
> > > that had existed in the psycho-physical system itself prior to
> such
> > > existence. The second question here to the previous paragraph
is,
> > > what structures could evolve as a result of a social
rennaisance
> > that
> > > should cause the way we in which we come to terms with
> technology,
> > to
> > > change the order to embrace this, objectivism, and come to
terms
> > with
> > > each other? Well, this rennaisance in the web, the so called
Web
> > 2.0
> > > is the first sign of this. However without an actual upgrade
in
> the
> > > protocols which we use to exchange information on the web, I
> think
> > > its alot of hot-air. It does not yet allow for the canonical
> > system,
> > > at least as it is understood in digital signal processing, to
> > emerge
> > > with the infinities that determine the domain between subject
or
> > > object, as an applied system ie. augmented reality. It would
take
> > > total and complete autonomy in order to discover its untold
> > history,
> > > wherein the essence of the constructivism that exists in modern
> > > cybernetics would become just another encapsulation and a
means
> to
> > > filter this encapuslation as an infinite impulse response (and
> > avoid
> > > past mistakes due to these faults in the process). A feed-back
> loop
> > > between the objective envoronment and its subjective realm that
> > > could 'chisel' from the emergent system, the history of such
> faults
> > > as they become apparent. A social system of re-cycling in
which
> we
> > > could take the 'garbage' on the net, and turn it into something
> > > useful. Case in point. We learn from our mistakes, and we learn
> > > even more on the net that the emergent qualities can be re-
used.
> > I'm
> > > not quite sure if all of this is necessarily 'good', but it
> exists.
> > >
> > > The net has a way of amplifying certain information to affect
the
> > > user in ways that are supposed to be predictable. But what
> happens
> > > when this positive feedback causes the system to become
unstable
> > > because the predictions are out-dated, and the out-dated
> > predictions
> > > can be used 'against' something? Nothing can be predicted with
> one
> > > hundred percent certainty. A greater dynamic range is required
to
> > > capture the effective signal, and separate it from the noise,
> even
> > > the one hundred percent prediction becomes rationalized. As the
> > > range increases, so does the noise, and hence the
predictability
> > > decreases, and the irrational number extends. Which is what we
> > > want. A one hundred percent certain and continuous system. And
> here
> > > exists the 'magic' of cybernetics. It is an effective tool to
> > > control the noise and generate the sub-band. And it is the sub-
> band
> > > that can be incorporated and filtered by the second-order
system
> > > quite effectively, and dynamically, like a non-canonical
system
> > (from
> > > what I've read so far). Its quite easy to superimpose an non-
> > > canonical second order IIR filter onto the second-order
> cybernetic
> > > system, and say that similarities exist, sonservatively
speaking.
> > > Both use positive and negative feed-back to attenuate and
> > > discriminate certain qualities of the signal that we could say
> are
> > > desirable, both work on a stimulus or signal that acts on the
> > circuit
> > > or the environment. And with virtual reality, we have a way of
> > > projecting the objective realm of the user into the network, to
> > > increase the precision of the filter in order to increase the
> > dynamic
> > > range by creating a dual in order to increase the precision of
> the
> > > prediction instead of the accuracy. So systems become easier to
> > > understand and 'chisel' to conserve the perception mechanism
that
> > > proves Maltz's self-success mechanism in psycho-cybernetics.
> > >
> > > And to this, I've derived from the second-order system, what I
> > call a
> > > canonical model of the second-order system, separating the
> > > environment into two "spheres" which comprise the physical and
> > psycho-
> > > physical realms. It would extend the second order system in a
way
> > > that hope Maltz would be proud.
> > >
> > > The question is, are we ready for third-order cybernetics, and
> do
> > the
> > > opposing trends towards projecting the medium and filtering the
> > > content become too exclusive? Will we ever be ready for third-
> order
> > > cybernetics? Is there a convergence? Perhaps there is a way to
> > > explain this model in which we could incorporate digital signal
> > > processing in a way that depends less on the environmental
system
> > > itself, and increase the chance that for every unique
individual,
> > > there is a unique signal. This has been known for years in the
> > > development of psycho-social compendiums and role-playing
games.
> > >
> > > I'd just like to offer my take on this specific work to
> conjecture
> > > that there is a third-order cybernetics out there that we've
yet
> to
> > > come together and define. In that, I propose that a future
model
> > > exists for which these second-order systems actually derive
from
> > that
> > > maps the future onto the past, what I call the reverse
transitive
> > > implication of cybernetics, wherein the strict division in the
> > field
> > > could be described in what respects could otherwise be called
> > arcane
> > > to the past system instead of the future. And there is some
what,
> > > alot of room for this conjecture. We would see a dynamic
> topology
> > on
> > > the web become a dynamic geography/cartography through
> terracentric
> > > realational databases. We would see augmentative systems
emerge
> to
> > > provide a means of survival to the fledgling cybernetic system
in
> > > order to expand consciousness and evolve into the higher
> > civilization
> > > as this 'great mind' of technology. We would see the
*controlled*
> > > applications of this technology to develop a world in which a
> real
> > > diversity in virtual environments becomes the object of
> democratic
> > > terraforming leasing to the actual placement of planets as a
> > quantum
> > > synchrony with the big-bang and the near instantaneous
transport
> of
> > > objects. Dynamic books. For that matter, we would see the
> > > divergence of this single big-bang, into many big-bangs,
through
> > the
> > > emergence of phenomena in the psyco-physical environment to
> account
> > > for so many so called 'multiple realities'--a concept that I
had
> > > attributed to different models of the universe that could be
> > unified
> > > into a signle 'univii'.
> > >
> > > But it has its limits when confined to the second order system,
> > > taking advantage of the psycho-physical reality of systems more
> > > advanced as an environmental attribute. In the discovery of
these
> > > phenomena, the instincts of a person could more or less drive
> one
> > for
> > > the return of lost objects or time, to such a point that the
> > > individual loses connection to the 'great mind' that has
caused
> the
> > > emergence of these phenomena to become pronounced. Cybernetics
> > could
> > > be used, as it has been programmed, to create an enemy by the
> > reality
> > > that technology, economy, or even an eco-system, could've been
> > > programmed to become just such an entity in order to fulfill
its
> > > purpose--in previous generations. With a lack of enemies, lack
of
> > > standards, and/or lack of a ratings system, it would lead to
the
> > > double bind of these scenarios, itself, to become confused and
> > > deluded by its effective use whereby the reverse transitive
> > > implication becomes an equivalence through that which it has
been
> > > designed to project or reject, and devalued--the re-occurences
> of
> > the
> > > Y2K problem for instance. Manifolds of these systems could
allow
> > the
> > > infamous 'hacker' to implant viruses on computers without even
a
> > > trace. People could become lost in this virtual environment,
> losing
> > > ties to the past whereby memories have been virtualized by an
> > > authoritarian system, coming to power by taking advantage of
> these
> > > autonomous systems wherein broadcast media could become hyper-
> > > manipulated.
> > >
> > > However unlikely due to the shear amount of information that is
> > > available on the Internet and the virtues of true autonomy,
both
> > the
> > > positive and negative aspects of this dynamicism can revert to
> the
> > > inherent connectionism that exists in the argument. I
personally
> > > believe that constructivism will fade to the truly canonical
> system
> > > whereby we've learned that the psycho-physical realm cannot be
> > > subjectified. It will take an inclination to the implicit
> > revolution
> > > in thinking that such networks pose to the user, in order to
> become
> > > truly self-aware systems, and be able to sense such abuses
when
> > they
> > > happen. Perhaps with the development of weighted connections. A
> > > truly connectionless Internet is on the order of five to fifty
> > years
> > > away, and the individual system must not be overloaded to that
> > point
> > > before. It will take the development of a subject oriented
> language
> > > as a role based system for instance that the development of
third
> > > order cybernetics to become reality. In effect, we must
control
> the
> > > control in order to realize the reality. So I do believe that
> > psycho-
> > > cybernetics is a third order cybernetics as this group
> represents
> > its
> > > evolution.
> > >
> > > I hope that this article has shed some light for anyone who is
> > > reading it and that we are able to come together to make some
> > > definitions as to the developments that it will require. And
for
> > all
> > > that I missed in this, happy belated MLK day.
> > >
> > > Patrick Ashley Meuser"-Bianca"
> > > Cyberneticist
> > >
> >
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