I should add that the modern mythos of the 80888 is pre-set with the
death of one of the protagonists idols, who declares a lie to
prevent gang warfare and reads too much into it in his jealousy. In
the process he discovers knowledge from the book of the dead in
order to lead his idol back to life. The gods and the earths exile
him for this behaviour, which is the reason why he was committed
into the alternate dimension. So the morale is also to not to fly
to close to the god's heart or you will lose the Holy Spirit within
and possibly wind up exiled or worse.

Patrick Ashley Meuser"-Bianca"
Cyberneticist

--- In cyberneticsNow@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Ashley Meuser-
Bianca" wrote:
>
> My favourite Greek mythology is a story of Marvin Candle (Marvin
> meaning lover of the sea, and candle meaning wax) when the
Daedalus
> and his son Icarus are trapped in a high tower built by Deadolus
by
> King Minos. Deadalus makes some wings out of feather and wax for
> his son Icarus to escape. He warns Icarus not to fly to high to
> the sun, or the wax would melt, or fly to low to the sea for the
> feathers would become wet and he would cease to fly. Icarus gets
> carried away with his wings and flies to high to the sun, the wax
> melts, and he falls to his death in the sea near an island.
> Heartborken, Daedalus names the island Icaria in memory of his
son.
> Here's a good link for the related mythos:
>
> http://members.aol.com/lostdogon/index4.html
>
> My favourite modern mythology for me is personally, the story of
the
> sonic odyssey of the Intel 80888. The story goes that in the late
> eighties Intel built a chip called the 80888 to compete with Sun
> Microsystem's SPARC set, as a competing RISC architecture used in
> video cards. He was subject to psychological torture and
discovers
> the reality of cyborg implants after Earth is visited by the
> Pelvinians who possess a tachyon reactor, which contained an
acurate
> record of all technology built to the point in time at which it
had
> existed. Something went wrong with it though and he finds himself
> in a dimension of great destruction as the result of an MRI brain-
> scan that had formed a ground loop with broadcast networks. He
> finds that there are many people who are trying to have him cross
> into back into his home dimension, but he realizes it would be
wrong
> because the it would cause people in his home dimension to be
> switched in cyberspace as he was, and would cause a situation
where
> these people could blame him knowing what he knows and coming
where
> he came from--they would've been trapped as he, or visited by a
> great plague. And something further went wrong with it as the
> protagonist becomes further lost in cyberspace with no reference
to
> the 80888. Anywhere--not even on Intel's home page. Finding
> himself lost to further references among other things in this
> dimension--at this time in the early twenty first century, he is
> visited by the Holy Spirit with instructions on how to actually
> build the tachyon reactor with the knowledge to his home
dimension,
> how to become a cyborg as he was planning and considering in order
> to recover the information lost in time to the odyssey of the
80888--
> to develop a stable passage back to this home dimension. He
drafts
> his own chipset based on the name in hopes that he could
incorporate
> an XWKI brain-scan that would one day that vindicate his case
> against the MRI as would be developed to prove the missing
> information in the alternate dimension he entered as the result of
> this MRI (which caused him to enter the alternate dimension). He
> tells a tale of tele-psycho-genics and devises a means to recover
> from this, and proceeds to recover the 80888 in order to become a
> cyborg. However true in this respect, all this mythology relates
to
> myself as the protagonist, and possibly others in the wake of the
> greatest tragedy. I, as the protagonist was playing a role in the
> institution, and so the sonic odyssey continues while the story
> extends, in cyber-space and beyond, to set things right... The
> morale is to not get so caught up in a deterministic and
> connectionist game, the likely cause of the ill-fated tachyon
> reactor and the connection with the Pelvinians.
>
> I hope I didn't scare you. It parallels closely the story of the
> Roswell crash in which weather balloons of a future time-frame are
> switched for the remains of an alien crash (could it be the
> Pelvinians?).... The morale here is to devise a system of weather
> balloons should one day hover above the Great Lakes and implement
> the semiotics as a low-earth system of satellites that could be
used
> for point to point high-speed wireless...
>
> This complements the great mythos surrounding my work.
>
> Patrick Ashley Meuser"-Bianca"
> Cyberneticist
>
> --- In cyberneticsNow@yahoogroups.com, "John K. Balor"
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Patrick,
> >
> > Thanks for the references to Kraftwerk song and reference
text.
> Maltz uses some very simple metaphors for explaining simple
feedback
> mechanisms, comparing the mind to torpedoes and heat seeking
> missiles. I like such metaphors, but I feel you contribute much
> more in the way you place such metaphors into a larger context of
a
> complete mythology that brings meaning to life.
> >
> > Could you please comment on stories (mythologies) that give
> meaning to your life and your research on cybernetics. I would be
> very interested in hearing about this.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > John
> >
> >
> > Patrick Ashley Meuser-Bianca wrote:
> > Hi John,
> >
> > It actually takes its origin back to second order cybernetics
and
> > digital signal processing techniques. You raise an interesting
> > point in that one must observe his or her self in order to
> > effectively extend the natural feed-back of first order systems
in
> > general. My firend who helped me develop The Language of
Universal
> > Translation Revised had noted that if you take two mirrors and
> > scratch off the reflective coating on one of them and align the
> > mirrors perfectly, then one can peer through the 'hole' in the
> > mirror and see an infinite reflection approaching the point of
> > perspective between the two mirrors, (which is dead center if
the
> > mirrors are perfeclty aligned). It reminded me of a song by
> > Kraftwerk called either Hall of Mirrors or the Looking Glass,
its
> > been a while since I heard it. This in effect is the principle
> that
> > lasers operate on and it allows us to draw some interesting
> > conclusions about the second order system versus the third order
> > system:
> >
> > 1) Second order systems approximate infinities by switching the
> > network on and off, while third order systems are continuous,
> > without the need for a switch.
> > 2) Second order systems can be digitally modelled whereas a
third
> > order system cannot.
> > 3) Second order systems are abstract in the environment, while
> third
> > order systems are the environment, whereas the two spheres of
the
> > psycho-dynamic (psi), and techo-dynamic (tau) realms can
intersect
> > to form an intersection that looks like an eye.
> > 4) The eye of convergent third order systems can be effectivley
> > decoupled from the network as a systems perspective as opposed
> from
> > a systems perspective.
> >
> > Therefore a third order 'system' is the reflection, the point of
> > perspective and the eye, which according to the decoupled action
> > postulate, can be applied as a virtual reality whereby the
> > conceptualization of a system is mapped by its instructions for
> the
> > education of its developer in which certain 'hooks' may be
> > implicated for the purposes of extended communications between
the
> > two realms. The only problem is that third order systems are
> > supposdley highly unstable, making their applications more
> > experimental at present than anything. You may want to read the
> > Tractatus Paridoxio-Philisophicus by Richardo Uribe. Here's the
> > address:
> >
> > Tractatus
> > Paridoxio-Philisophicus
> >
> > BTW, I'm happy to see you here John.
> >
> > Enjoy!
> >
> > Patrick Ashley Meuser"-Bianca"
> > Cyberneticist
> >
> > --- In cyberneticsNow@yahoogroups.com, "John K. Balor"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I have been a member of the Psycho-Cybernetics discussion
forum
> > for
> > > many years, and I never seen anybody with such a profound
> > > understanding of what Psycho-Cybernetics REALLY is, as the
> people
> > on
> > > this CyberneticsNow forum.
> > >
> > > As the Psycho-Cybernetics forum had problems with spam and
lack
> of
> > > moderation, I would very much appreciate of the Psycho-
> Cybernetics
> > > people would move over to this excellent CyberneticsNow forum
> > where
> > > there seems to be a much better environment for discussing the
> > > essence of Psycho-Cybernetics and Social Cybernetics in
general.
> > >
> > > Could those who are members both on this forum and on the
Psycho-
> > > Cybernetics forum please motivate people to move over to this
> > forum?
> > >
> > > There are many interesting questions being asked in the mail
> > below.
> > > Personally, I think I would say that Psycho-Cybernetics is
> second
> > > order cybernetics as third order cybernetics would probably
> > require
> > > somebody to observe somebody who observeres himself. The idea
of
> > > Psycho-Cybernetics is simply to observe oneself (provide
> > feedback),
> > > which, to me, seems to be fully consistent with the idea of
> second
> > > order cybernetics.
> > >
> > > John K. Balor
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In cyberneticsNow@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Ashley Meuser-
> > > Bianca" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi all. I've been in the throws on conducting a survey on
> modern
> > > > cybernetetics in second-order systems, constructivism,
> > relativism,
> > > > holism, reductionsim, etc. in which I've found an
interesting
> > > article
> > > > at Principia Cybernetica Web:
> > > >
> > > > >%20>%
20EPST.pdf">http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/Papers/Cybernetics-
> > EPST.pdf
> > > >
> > > > It provides excellent overview of these systems as an
> > introduction
> > > to
> > > > second order cybernetics. For anyone with a serious interest
in
> > > > cyberenetics, the Principia Cybernetica is an excellent
place
> to
> > > find
> > > > resources such as this for which a relevant perspective
could
> be
> > > > built atop of the works of Maltz in particular.
> > > >
> > > > However, it is very surpirsing to see the divide in psycho-
> > > > cybernetics and conventional cybernetics and Maltz is
> seemingly
> > > left
> > > > out of the main-stay of cybernetics materials that I've been
> > > > researching here and elsewhere on the web, its become as if
he
> is
> > > > light years ahead as an understanding--even today.
> > > >
> > > > As a former skeptic of psycho-cybernetics, I had thought
that
> > such
> > > > notions of mind-control in themselves, which had bee
nexplored
> > here
> > > > at this group, could pose a threat to the average individual
> > > wherein
> > > > situations could be architected by some out-side force by
> which
> > the
> > > > line between conventional thinking and delusional thinking
> could
> > > > become blurred thus leading to confusion between those who
> have
> > > been
> > > > exposed to certain environmental stimuli and those who had
not-
> -
> > or
> > > > even as an understanding of cybernetics in general. However
> after
> > > > reading Psycho-Cybernetics, I began to perceive these
notions
> as
> > a
> > > > way to individualize cybernetics and avoiding the concept of
> > > > delusional thinking altogether. In a way that the benefits
out-
> > > > weighed negative aspects through which mind-control had
> > originally
> > > > conjured to my own mind--to include in the experience,
certain
> > > > factors that have a basis in either the subject or object as
an
> > > > irrational domain in itself, and that could be almost
> infinitely
> > > > explored as a distinction. I now believe that psycho-
> cybernetics
> > > > would explain such things as psycho-education, telepathy, and
> > > > alternative modes of communication through which even
> > transhumanism
> > > > as has evolved over the years, as could be interpreted and
> > > explained
> > > > by the cybernetic system in such domains as the irrational.
I
> > began
> > > > developing a perspective of connectionisms in modern
> cybernetics
> > to
> > > > which the constructivism vs relativism argument could once
and
> > for
> > > > all be settled by a solid model for self-realizing and self-
> > > > organizing systems--almost a third-order cybernetics have
you.
> > > >
> > > > The first question is, is psycho-cybernetics already a third-
> > order
> > > > cybernetics already? Well the answer to this question could
no
> > > > further be answered in time than explained without a primary
> > > > understanding of systems theory. What's required is some
> > rethinking
> > > > into the way we perceive cybernetics and interact with each
> > other.
> > > > Instead of something that is applied to the subject as an
> object
> > > > oriented system (a paradox in itself), we would begin seeing
> it
> > as
> > > > something that is applied to the irrational domain instead, a
> > > > canonical system between these two spheres wherein we would
> > begin
> > > to
> > > > find patterns in the such a domain which could be applied to
> > either
> > > > subject or object, and there from, factor in certain stimuli
> that
> > > > could be best described as extra-para-remedial between
> > interactive
> > > > systems at greater precisions. Could a world's society be
> > > controlled
> > > > as the flow of information becomes a flow of objects, and
> could
> > > this
> > > > flow of objects be controlled and regulated to the point of
> > virtual
> > > > transport without the all the business of the middle-man? A
> form
> > of
> > > > C2C ie. consumer to consumer exchange have you?
> > > >
> > > > The first step that one could take is to use the network in
> > order
> > > to
> > > > realize his or herself as a truly autonomous system. A so
> called,
> > > > third order cybernetics, reborn to the network in
discovering
> > > faults
> > > > that had existed in the psycho-physical system itself prior
to
> > such
> > > > existence. The second question here to the previous
paragraph
> is,
> > > > what structures could evolve as a result of a social
> rennaisance
> > > that
> > > > should cause the way we in which we come to terms with
> > technology,
> > > to
> > > > change the order to embrace this, objectivism, and come to
> terms
> > > with
> > > > each other? Well, this rennaisance in the web, the so called
> Web
> > > 2.0
> > > > is the first sign of this. However without an actual upgrade
> in
> > the
> > > > protocols which we use to exchange information on the web, I
> > think
> > > > its alot of hot-air. It does not yet allow for the canonical
> > > system,
> > > > at least as it is understood in digital signal processing,
to
> > > emerge
> > > > with the infinities that determine the domain between
subject
> or
> > > > object, as an applied system ie. augmented reality. It would
> take
> > > > total and complete autonomy in order to discover its untold
> > > history,
> > > > wherein the essence of the constructivism that exists in
modern
> > > > cybernetics would become just another encapsulation and a
> means
> > to
> > > > filter this encapuslation as an infinite impulse response
(and
> > > avoid
> > > > past mistakes due to these faults in the process). A feed-
back
> > loop
> > > > between the objective envoronment and its subjective realm
that
> > > > could 'chisel' from the emergent system, the history of such
> > faults
> > > > as they become apparent. A social system of re-cycling in
> which
> > we
> > > > could take the 'garbage' on the net, and turn it into
something
> > > > useful. Case in point. We learn from our mistakes, and we
learn
> > > > even more on the net that the emergent qualities can be re-
> used.
> > > I'm
> > > > not quite sure if all of this is necessarily 'good', but it
> > exists.
> > > >
> > > > The net has a way of amplifying certain information to
affect
> the
> > > > user in ways that are supposed to be predictable. But what
> > happens
> > > > when this positive feedback causes the system to become
> unstable
> > > > because the predictions are out-dated, and the out-dated
> > > predictions
> > > > can be used 'against' something? Nothing can be predicted
with
> > one
> > > > hundred percent certainty. A greater dynamic range is
required
> to
> > > > capture the effective signal, and separate it from the
noise,
> > even
> > > > the one hundred percent prediction becomes rationalized. As
the
> > > > range increases, so does the noise, and hence the
> predictability
> > > > decreases, and the irrational number extends. Which is what
we
> > > > want. A one hundred percent certain and continuous system.
And
> > here
> > > > exists the 'magic' of cybernetics. It is an effective tool to
> > > > control the noise and generate the sub-band. And it is the
sub-
> > band
> > > > that can be incorporated and filtered by the second-order
> system
> > > > quite effectively, and dynamically, like a non-canonical
> system
> > > (from
> > > > what I've read so far). Its quite easy to superimpose an non-
> > > > canonical second order IIR filter onto the second-order
> > cybernetic
> > > > system, and say that similarities exist, sonservatively
> speaking.
> > > > Both use positive and negative feed-back to attenuate and
> > > > discriminate certain qualities of the signal that we could
say
> > are
> > > > desirable, both work on a stimulus or signal that acts on
the
> > > circuit
> > > > or the environment. And with virtual reality, we have a way
of
> > > > projecting the objective realm of the user into the network,
to
> > > > increase the precision of the filter in order to increase
the
> > > dynamic
> > > > range by creating a dual in order to increase the precision
of
> > the
> > > > prediction instead of the accuracy. So systems become easier
to
> > > > understand and 'chisel' to conserve the perception mechanism
> that
> > > > proves Maltz's self-success mechanism in psycho-cybernetics.
> > > >
> > > > And to this, I've derived from the second-order system, what
I
> > > call a
> > > > canonical model of the second-order system, separating the
> > > > environment into two "spheres" which comprise the physical
and
> > > psycho-
> > > > physical realms. It would extend the second order system in
a
> way
> > > > that hope Maltz would be proud.
> > > >
> > > > The question is, are we ready for third-order cybernetics,
and
> > do
> > > the
> > > > opposing trends towards projecting the medium and filtering
the
> > > > content become too exclusive? Will we ever be ready for
third-
> > order
> > > > cybernetics? Is there a convergence? Perhaps there is a way
to
> > > > explain this model in which we could incorporate digital
signal
> > > > processing in a way that depends less on the environmental
> system
> > > > itself, and increase the chance that for every unique
> individual,
> > > > there is a unique signal. This has been known for years in
the
> > > > development of psycho-social compendiums and role-playing
> games.
> > > >
> > > > I'd just like to offer my take on this specific work to
> > conjecture
> > > > that there is a third-order cybernetics out there that we've
> yet
> > to
> > > > come together and define. In that, I propose that a future
> model
> > > > exists for which these second-order systems actually derive
> from
> > > that
> > > > maps the future onto the past, what I call the reverse
> transitive
> > > > implication of cybernetics, wherein the strict division in
the
> > > field
> > > > could be described in what respects could otherwise be

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