I feel the same way Vicky! NASA has MADE us this way!
Vicky,
That was VERY well stated! In my opinion EVERYONE has a right to be
suspicious with NASA.
They break their own rules, lie to us continually, hide images from
us for extended periods of time, post pieces of trash like the catbox
image (which even the Skeptical Inquirer agrees is an improperly
filtered image), prepares articles to bash and criticise the subject
BEFORE the image is even released, and then on top of that does not
even take the COUPLE OF MINUTES to release the auxillary data to go
along with the image!
All of this, and we are expect to "trust" NASA, JPL, and MSSS? I do
not think so!
In my opinion both this image and the 98 MGS image are too different
from Viking (and in some ways EACH OTHER) to be considered unaltered
and totally real. And unless they are real and totally unaltered they
are basically useless for research.
I wish that this imaging was done properly. And that NASA had obeyed
their own rules for a change. But no, it was not. And I think we need
to make sure the next time we get an image of the Face that they obey
their rules and a few of OUR OWN!
Because if we do not get some type of confirmation of this image,
that it is indeed real, how can we EVER trust any other image from
NASA, JPL, or MSSS EVER again!?
Some people may consider us paranoid or overly suspicious, but NASA
has made us this way. And people should realize it is dreadfully
stressful to to feel this way!
Best Regards my fellow seeker of TRUTH,
William Oscar Hand III
Okay! So this whole 'Face on Mars' subject might have been a waste of time. (?) It might REALLY only be a mesa. That's what some people have either already...
Vicky Pike
arvic@...
May 27, 2001 11:26 pm
Vicky, That was VERY well stated! In my opinion EVERYONE has a right to be suspicious with NASA. They break their own rules, lie to us continually, hide images...
ufotruth@...
May 28, 2001 3:18 am
In a message dated 05/27/2001 10:49:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ufotruth@... writes: << To: cydonia@yahoogroups.com Michael L.M., I have not...
milamo@...
May 28, 2001 12:06 am
VICKY >>> But I think the most suspicious part of this whole subject - is the behaviour of NASA, MALIN, and JPL. <<< This is the sorriest part of the entire...
MikeLomax@...
May 28, 2001 12:25 am
... From: <milamo@...> To: <cydonia@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [cydonia] Re: We cannot trust this image, lets face...
westoo
Westoo@...
May 28, 2001 12:53 am
Lan, Regardless of your opinion of the Face image, it will not prove to be the "smoking gun" that we had hoped. Examining other potential artifacts in greater...
photon
photon@...
May 29, 2001 3:38 pm
... That was to give the spin Doctor's a chance to have their positions clearly defined upon release. That, and the fact that they needed to scrutinize it...
photon
photon@...
May 29, 2001 4:08 pm
Photon! You misunderstood my question. I was asking the question in relation to there being nothing to hide. So nobody would have had a need for spin...
Vicky Pike
arvic@...
May 30, 2001 7:41 am
In a message dated 5/29/01 3:41:30 PM, photon@... writes: <<Regardless of your opinion of the Face image, it will not prove to be the "smoking...
LanFleming@...
May 29, 2001 5:57 pm
I've no real comments on the new face image except for " gee it's about time don't ya think?" However, I did notice something interesting in close ups; I...
Jill England
Jill@...
May 29, 2001 6:53 pm
Lan, You are right. With NASA in control of all the images, with Mike Malin having authority of alter them in anyway he sees fit, and when they apparently can...
ufotruth@...
May 29, 2001 7:02 pm
... Hey, If I saw a picture of a tube swimming Mega Dolphin I'd be convinced! photon "The pure and simple truth is rarely pure, and never simple" - Oscar Wilde...
photon
photon@...
May 29, 2001 6:10 pm
... So, You've definitely gotten a determination that the five sites to be imaged are anywhere on the planet and not restricted to the Cydonia region as was...
photon
photon@...
May 30, 2001 9:14 pm
... Don't you remember what NASA stands for? Never A Straight Answer No...there's been no determination whatsoever. I am just assuming that if they consider...
David Jinks
dsphinx1@...
Jun 1, 2001 4:56 am
... Is there an ECD or time constraint of any kind on submissions? How big is the reimaging window (time frame in days)? Are there fuel considerations that...
photon
photon@...
May 30, 2001 9:17 pm
... You'al seem to be buying into NASA's paragigm: "Hey, guys: we dictate the terms... and we are giving you only this limited number of ops to make your case...
Matt_v
nqdt@...
May 31, 2001 1:29 am
Everyone, I agree with Matt. FACETS, Richard Hoagland, David Jenks, and others should not have to follow NASA's terms after the games they have played. It is...
ufotruth@...
May 31, 2001 1:51 am
... Who is "you all"? FACETS? Or listmembers? I don't get what you're trying to say. Unfortunately, NASA's new found openness has all the look of a "trial ...
David Jinks
dsphinx1@...
May 31, 2001 2:20 am
Dave, I apologize but I must laugh when you just used openness and NASA in the same sentence. NASA is not an open agency and they were not open in releasing...
ufotruth@...
May 31, 2001 2:26 am
... Of course NASA is not all of a sudden changing its stripes. The bias against any suggestion of artifacts is still solidly in place. However, NASA is not a...
David Jinks
dsphinx1@...
May 31, 2001 3:30 am
David Jinks, Thank you for explaining your comment. I also think that if NASA is willing to take additional images that we should by all means work with them. ...
ufotruth@...
May 31, 2001 3:43 am
In a message dated 05/30/2001 7:27:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ufotruth@... writes: << NASA is not being honest at all. They just squirmed for a...
milamo@...
May 31, 2001 3:24 am
M. L. Morton, I have not studied your matrix in enough detail to decide whether or not the complete argument is valid. In addition I do agree that many of the...
ufotruth@...
May 31, 2001 3:55 am
In a message dated 05/30/2001 8:57:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ufotruth@... writes: << That is what *I* would need to read. Secondly, it may turn...
milamo@...
May 31, 2001 4:59 am
... Now you're talking. This is like digital imaging, some people aren't going to believe it for a minute until they do a few good ones themselves and actually...
ancient_vizier@...
May 31, 2001 4:17 pm
Robert ... I appreciate your feedback !! Thanks. I'll see what I can do. (How's that for a non-commital statement) ?! Ohhhhhhh, man. I see your points ......
milamo@...
May 31, 2001 6:07 pm
... From: "Vicky Pike" <arvic@...> To: <cydonia@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 12:33 AM Subject: [cydonia] Re: We cannot trust this...