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#2340

From: e4449@...
Date: Sun Oct 17, 2010 4:58 pm
Subject: First Year Tubers Dug

hollyhilldah...

The first year seedling tubers have been dug. They are are larger than normal and nearly all of them had at least two good looking tubers. Of course some had many more with about six being the most.

Margaret was very busy hand crossing the flowers and we have harvested about half of her seed pods. We had some dry, sunny weather during the ripening period and the seeds look very good. A few giants got crossed successfully and a picture of one of the pods is attached. Will be digging second year tubers next.

Ted in Oregon City

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#2341

From: "William F Matthews" <billym@...>
Date: Sun Oct 17, 2010 4:51 pm
Subject: Re: First Year Tubers Dug [1 Attachment]

I tried a cross with a giant this season. I will be the last plant I dig... Hoping to find seed in the seed pod later.

Billy

William F. Matthews
65 Witch Hazel Road
Portugal Cove-St. Philip's, NL
Canada
A1M 3N3

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#2342

From: e4449@...
Date: Fri Oct 29, 2010 1:42 am
Subject: Seed Pod Sprouting

hollyhilldah...

Attached is picture of a seed pod that has a green sprout. No, it is not a dahlia sprout but instead a sprout of a sunflower seed inserted by pesky birds. When I did not know exactly what a dahlia seed looked like, I sprouted one of these seeds with the other dahlia seedlings. It looked just a bit different from the rest....

Good harvest of both hand pollinated and "open" pollinated seeds this year. Got 4 seeds from a cross that I have been trying for several years without any luck. Now, if the seeds sprout, there is a chance for something nice. Lots of waterlily, ball and giants were crossed this year. Fewer semi cactus than in prior years.

Ted Kennedy
Hollyhill Dahlias
Oregon City, Oregon, USA

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#2343

From: Murray Thompson <mg.thompson@...>
Date: Fri Oct 29, 2010 3:05 am
Subject: Re: Seed Pod Sprouting [1 Attachment]

Now isn't that interesting? While taking cut blooms to various destinations this year, I have noticed three ball type dahlias with seeds in the top, inserted so the seed is flush with the top of the bloom - Couldn't see how they got there, not from overhead, but I did have a birdfeeder out with oil-seeds - Is this something that certain birds do to stash food away for the future? Most of the feeder visitors are Chickadees, some Sparrows, some Doves around on the ground.

Thx, Ted, for sharing this!

Murray, in Whitby

----- Original Message -----

From: e4449@...

To: dahliacreating@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 9:42 PM

Subject: [dahliacreating] Seed Pod Sprouting [1 Attachment]

Attached is picture of a seed pod that has a green sprout. No, it is not a dahlia sprout but instead a sprout of a sunflower seed inserted by pesky birds. When I did not know exactly what a dahlia seed looked like, I sprouted one of these seeds with the other dahlia seedlings. It looked just a bit different from the rest....

Hollyhill Dahlias
Oregon City, Oregon, USA

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#2344

From: e4449@...
Date: Sun Nov 7, 2010 2:16 am
Subject: Seed Pod

hollyhilldah...

Picture of a very ripe siamese twin seed pod. Still finding some ripe seed pods in the garden. Very good year for seed production here in Oregon. We are stocking up and will have some in reserve for poor seed years. Hand crossed seed production is very good too. If they sprout well, we may have majority of hand crossed seedlings next year.

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#2345

From: e4449@...
Date: Fri Dec 17, 2010 6:37 pm
Subject: Seed Count 2010

hollyhilldah...

Counted the seed packets collected this year. Margaret got lots of seeds from her hand crosses. Should be a good year for seedlings next year! Also a bountiful year for bee crossed seeds. Will be able to save some to plant during a bad year.

Also, entered the 2010 seedlings that were kept onto the spreadsheet. As usual, the percentage of hand crossed seedlings kept was much higher than the bee crossed . However, it was not as high as some other years. I would attribute that to keeping seeds from dahlias that are planted near similar types. For instance all of the waterlilies were planted together and those seeds were much more likely crosses of waterlilies. This year we planted similar types of dahlias together where possible.

Ted Kennedy
Hollyhill Dahlias
Oregon City, Oregon
USA

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#2346

From: e4449@...
Date: Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:18 pm
Subject: Four Color Dahlia

hollyhilldah...

I ran across this picture that I took some years ago. I believe the variety is Clearview David. Four colors is pretty amazing. As I look at the picture it is apparent the the yellow pigment sported to white on part of the bloom. When that happened, the red pigment that overlays much of the flower, exhibits nice pink color where the yellow pigment sported to white. Where there is no red pigment the flower shows either yellow or the sported white. If all the flowers did this, it would sell for big money.

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#2347

From: LARRY TERESA BERGMAN <larryteresa@...>
Date: Sun Mar 27, 2011 11:27 am
Subject: RE: Four Color Dahlia [1 Attachment]

Can that really be Clearview David? Maybe Clearview Arlene or Irene? It's beautiful at any rate. It kind of reminds me of Hollyhill Calico in it's coloration. I'm anxious to grow that one.

Teresa

To: dahliacreating@yahoogroups.com
From: e4449@...
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:18:58 -0400
Subject: [dahliacreating] Four Color Dahlia [1 Attachment]

[Attachment(s) from e4449@... included below]

I ran across this picture that I took some years ago. I believe the variety is Clearview David. Four colors is pretty amazing. As I look at the picture it is apparent the the yellow pigment sported to white on part of the bloom. When that happened, the red pigment that overlays much of the flower, exhibits nice pink color where the yellow pigment sported to white. Where there is no red pigment the flower shows either yellow or the sported white. If all the flowers did this, it would sell for big money.

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#2348

From: e4449@...
Date: Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:03 pm
Subject: Light Dependent Color Formation

hollyhilldah...

I was reading the research projects on the Stanford dahlia site and there was a lot of work done on pigments in dahlias. One of the suppositions was that the creation of some anthocyanins must take place in the presence of light. They covered stems of dahlias with tape and on some varieties that have dark stems, the pigment did not form under the tape.

More interesting was that some dahlia flowers must be exposed to light to form colors while others do not. They used aluminum foil to cover opening dahlia buds. On some varieties it made no difference. But on the variety Kari Fruit Salad BB DB DPK/Y the dark pink pigments did not form on the flower when it was covered with foil.

We have bred a miniature ball dahlia that has won best triple MB in show. We have not released it because of a peculiar trait: The color of the flower changes as the season progresses. The first flowers are so red that when the flower was classified by a senior judge, the color was determined to be red. A couple of weeks later, the flower was classified as a flame. At the end of the season it shows only a very minor amount of red pigment and would be classified as a yellow. I have attached a picture that shows some of the progression. It should be noted that the first flower is not as dark as it is when first blooming and the last is not as yellow as it gets. It has been frustrating to show the flower later in the year. The same year that it won best MB triple in show, it was shown at the last show of the year, many weeks later, in the seedling class. It was very well formed bloom but the red pigments were only partially formed and they just made the yellow flower look dirty with the distracting red pigments. The judge said: " The flower had good form but the colors were muddy."

So it appears that this variety is light sensitive and that there is not enough sunlight in the later weeks of the show season to set the red color. Should we release it or not?

Or, maybe there is some hope. Another of the research projects was done on various metal ions added to the water to see it they affected dahlia color. They found that the addition of magnesium intensified the red color of some dahlias. Epsom salts were the source of the magnesium. Perhaps, I should give the plants some extra magnesium late in the season to see if the red color intensifies. I have my doubts because the theory of the action of the magnesium was that the metal ions attached themselves to the red pigment making the pigment less susceptible to fading. The epsom salts would have little effect if that is true as the actual formation of the pigment is what the flower needs not the fade resistance after it is formed. I suppose the other option is to take some lights out to the garden and see if the additional lighting would do the trick. I suppose neither "cure" is really very practical and the variety may never be released. Maybe it will remain a "private flower" (and we have several) to be used for breeding and an occasional show.

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#2349

From: deanbke@...
Date: Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:20 pm
Subject: Re: Light Dependent Color Formation [1 Attachment]

Ted,

We have two that are the same way (must be the light). And they are both Balls (Hmmmmm). Do you know what the parents are of the one that you have?

Buddy

In a message dated 3/30/2011 1:03:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, e4449@... writes:

[Attachment(s) from e4449@... included below]

I was reading the research projects on the Stanford dahlia site and there was a lot of work done on pigments in dahlias. One of the suppositions was that the creation of some anthocyanins must take place in the presence of light. They covered stems of dahlias with tape and on some varieties that have dark stems, the pigment did not form under the tape.

More interesting was that some dahlia flowers must be exposed to light to form colors while others do not. They used aluminum foil to cover opening dahlia buds. On some varieties it made no difference. But on the variety Kari Fruit Salad BB DB DPK/Y the dark pink pigments did not form on the flower when it was covered with foil.

We have bred a miniature ball dahlia that has won best triple MB in show. We have not released it because of a peculiar trait: The color of the flower changes as the season progresses. The first flowers are so red that when the flower was classified by a senior judge, the color was determined to be red. A couple of weeks later, the flower was classified as a flame. At the end of the season it shows only a very minor amount of red pigment and would be classified as a yellow. I have attached a picture that shows some of the progression. It should be noted that the first flower is not as dark as it is when first blooming and the last is not as yellow as it gets. It has been frustrating to show the flower later in the year. The same year that it won best MB triple in show, it was shown at the last show of the year, many weeks later, in the seedling class. It was very well formed bloom but the red pigments were only partially formed and they just made the yellow flower look dirty with the distracting red pigments. The judge said: " The flower had good form but the colors were muddy."

So it appears that this variety is light sensitive and that there is not enough sunlight in the later weeks of the show season to set the red color. Should we release it or not?

Or, maybe there is some hope. Another of the research projects was done on various metal ions added to the water to see it they affected dahlia color. They found that the addition of magnesium intensified the red color of some dahlias. Epsom salts were the source of the magnesium. Perhaps, I should give the plants some extra magnesium late in the season to see if the red color intensifies. I have my doubts because the theory of the action of the magnesium was that the metal ions attached themselves to the red pigment making the pigment less susceptible to fading. The epsom salts would have little effect if that is true as the actual formation of the pigment is what the flower needs not the fade resistance after it is formed. I suppose the other option is to take some lights out to the garden and see if the additional lighting would do the trick. I suppose neither "cure" is really very practical and the variety may never be released. Maybe it will remai n a "private flower" (and we have several) to be used for breeding and an occasional show.

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#2350

From: e4449@...
Date: Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:22 pm
Subject: Re: Light Dependent Color Formation

hollyhilldah...

It is a bee crossed seedling of Odyssey.

-----Original Message-----
From: deanbke <deanbke@...>
To: dahliacreating <dahliacreating@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Mar 30, 2011 10:20 am
Subject: Re: [dahliacreating] Light Dependent Color Formation

Ted,

We have two that are the same way (must be the light). And they are both Balls (Hmmmmm). Do you know what the parents are of the one that you have?

Buddy

In a message dated 3/30/2011 1:03:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, e4449@... writes:

[Attachment(s) from e4449@... included below]

I was reading the research projects on the Stanford dahlia site and there was a lot of work done on pigments in dahlias. One of the suppositions was that the creation of some anthocyanins must take place in the presence of light. They covered stems of dahlias with tape and on some varieties that have dark stems, the pigment did not form under the tape.

More interesting was that some dahlia flowers must be exposed to light to form colors while others do not. They used aluminum foil to cover opening dahlia buds. On some varieties it made no difference. But on the variety Kari Fruit Salad BB DB DPK/Y the dark pink pigments did not form on the flower when it was covered with foil.

We have bred a miniature ball dahlia that has won best triple MB in show. We have not released it because of a peculiar trait: The color of the flower changes as the season progresses. The first flowers are so red that when the flower was classified by a senior judge, the color was determined to be red. A couple of weeks later, the flower was classified as a flame. At the end of the season it shows only a very minor amount of red pigment and would be classified as a yellow. I have attached a picture that shows some of the progression. It should be noted that the first flower is not as dark as it is when first blooming and the last is not as yellow as it gets. It has been frustrating to show the flower later in the year. The same year that it won best MB triple in show, it was shown at the last show of the year, many weeks later, in the seedling class. It was very well formed bloom but the red pigments were only partially formed and they just made the yellow flower look dirty with the distracting red pigments. The judge said: " The flower had good form but the colors were muddy."

So it appears that this variety is light sensitive and that there is not enough sunlight in the later weeks of the show season to set the red color. Should we release it or not?

Or, maybe there is some hope. Another of the research projects was done on various metal ions added to the water to see it they affected dahlia color. They found that the addition of magnesium intensified the red color of some dahlias. Epsom salts were the source of the magnesium. Perhaps, I should give the plants some extra magnesium late in the season to see if the red color intensifies. I have my doubts because the theory of the action of the magnesium was that the metal ions attached themselves to the red pigment making the pigment less susceptible to fading. The epsom salts would have little effect if that is true as the actual formation of the pigment is what the flower needs not the fade resistance after it is formed. I suppose the other option is to take some lights out to the garden and see if the additional lighting would do the trick. I suppose neither "cure" is really very practical and the variety may never be released. Maybe it will remai n a "private flower" (and we have several) to be used for breeding and an occasional show.

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#2351

From: e4449@...
Date: Fri Apr 1, 2011 3:19 pm
Subject: Dahlia Crossed with Daffodil

hollyhilldah...

Last year Margaret saved pollen from the daffodils and crossed a few dahlias. The best one got the red color of the dahlia and some of it's petal formation from the daffodil. Pictures are worth a thousand words. Note that this was posted on 04-01-11.

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#2352

From: "William F Matthews" <billym@...>
Date: Fri Apr 1, 2011 5:58 pm
Subject: Dahlia Crossed with Daffodil

Daffodils!!! I have a hard time believing that this is possible.

Billy

William F. Matthews
65 Witch Hazel Road
Portugal Cove-St. Philip's, NL
Canada
A1M 3N3

----- Original Message -----

From: e4449@...

To: dahliacreating@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 12:49 PM

Subject: [dahliacreating] Dahlia Crossed with Daffodil [2 Attachments]

Last year Margaret saved pollen from the daffodils and crossed a few dahlias. The best one got the red color of the dahlia and some of it's petal formation from the daffodil. Pictures are worth a thousand words. Note that this was posted on 04-01-11.

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#2353

From: David <david@...>
Date: Fri Apr 1, 2011 6:46 pm
Subject: Re: Dahlia Crossed with Daffodil

Remember the date...........

On 01/04/2011 19:38, William F Matthews wrote:

Daffodils!!! I have a hard time believing that this is possible.

Billy

William F. Matthews
65 Witch Hazel Road
Portugal Cove-St. Philip's, NL
Canada
A1M 3N3

----- Original Message -----

From: e4449@...

To: dahliacreating@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 12:49 PM

Subject: [dahliacreating] Dahlia Crossed with Daffodil [2 Attachments]

Last year Margaret saved pollen from the daffodils and crossed a few dahlias. The best one got the red color of the dahlia and some of it's petal formation from the daffodil. Pictures are worth a thousand words. Note that this was posted on 04-01-11.

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#2354

From: Jeff Wincek <jdouglasw2001@...>
Date: Fri Apr 1, 2011 6:52 pm
Subject: Re: Dahlia Crossed with Daffodil [2 Attachments]

I LOVE the daffodahl!

Jeff

--- On Fri, 4/1/11, e4449@... <e4449@...> wrote:

From: e4449@... <e4449@...>
Subject: [dahliacreating] Dahlia Crossed with Daffodil [2 Attachments]
To: dahliacreating@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, April 1, 2011, 10:19 AM

Last year Margaret saved pollen from the daffodils and crossed a few dahlias. The best one got the red color of the dahlia and some of it's petal formation from the daffodil. Pictures are worth a thousand words. Note that this was posted on 04-01-11.

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#2355

From: Rod Field <rjfield236@...>
Date: Fri Apr 1, 2011 9:42 pm
Subject: RE: Dahlia Crossed with Daffodil

rjfield236@...

Is this in a controlled environment ? What is the resultant product, a tuber or a bulb or a cross?a Perennial
or Annual?Does'nt sound feasible.

Rod Field

To: dahliacreating@yahoogroups.com
From: billym@...
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 16:08:19 -0230
Subject: [dahliacreating] Dahlia Crossed with Daffodil

Daffodils!!! I have a hard time believing that this is possible.

Billy

William F. Matthews
65 Witch Hazel Road
Portugal Cove-St. Philip's, NL
Canada
A1M 3N3

----- Original Message -----

From: e4449@...

To: dahliacreating@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 12:49 PM

Subject: [dahliacreating] Dahlia Crossed with Daffodil [2 Attachments]

Last year Margaret saved pollen from the daffodils and crossed a few dahlias. The best one got the red color of the dahlia and some of it's petal formation from the daffodil. Pictures are worth a thousand words. Note that this was posted on 04-01-11.

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#2356

From: Murray Thompson <mg.thompson@...>
Date: Fri Apr 1, 2011 10:10 pm
Subject: Re: Dahlia Crossed with Daffodil

Only April 1st ..... Murray

----- Original Message -----

From: Rod Field

To: dahliacreating@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 5:42 PM

Subject: RE: [dahliacreating] Dahlia Crossed with Daffodil

Is this in a controlled environment ? What is the resultant product, a tuber or a bulb or a cross?a Perennial
or Annual?Does'nt sound feasible.

Rod Field

To: dahliacreating@yahoogroups.com
From: billym@...
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 16:08:19 -0230
Subject: [dahliacreating] Dahlia Crossed with Daffodil

Daffodils!!! I have a hard time believing that this is possible.

Billy

William F. Matthews
65 Witch Hazel Road
Portugal Cove-St. Philip's, NL
Canada
A1M 3N3

----- Original Message -----

From: e4449@...

To: dahliacreating@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 12:49 PM

Subject: [dahliacreating] Dahlia Crossed with Daffodil [2 Attachments]

Last year Margaret saved pollen from the daffodils and crossed a few dahlias. The best one got the red color of the dahlia and some of it's petal formation from the daffodil. Pictures are worth a thousand words. Note that this was posted on 04-01-11.

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#2357

From: Rod Field <rjfield236@...>
Date: Sat Apr 2, 2011 12:16 am
Subject: RE: Dahlia Crossed with Daffodil

rjfield236@...

Hi all .

Guess I took the bait .hook line and sinker ... !!!

Rod

To: dahliacreating@yahoogroups.com
From: mg.thompson@...
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 18:10:01 -0400
Subject: Re: [dahliacreating] Dahlia Crossed with Daffodil

Only April 1st ..... Murray

----- Original Message -----

From: Rod Field

To: dahliacreating@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 5:42 PM

Subject: RE: [dahliacreating] Dahlia Crossed with Daffodil

Is this in a controlled environment ? What is the resultant product, a tuber or a bulb or a cross?a Perennial
or Annual?Does'nt sound feasible.

Rod Field

To: dahliacreating@yahoogroups.com
From: billym@...
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 16:08:19 -0230
Subject: [dahliacreating] Dahlia Crossed with Daffodil

Daffodils!!! I have a hard time believing that this is possible.

Billy

William F. Matthews
65 Witch Hazel Road
Portugal Cove-St. Philip's, NL
Canada
A1M 3N3

----- Original Message -----

From: e4449@...

To: dahliacreating@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 12:49 PM

Subject: [dahliacreating] Dahlia Crossed with Daffodil [2 Attachments]

Last year Margaret saved pollen from the daffodils and crossed a few dahlias. The best one got the red color of the dahlia and some of it's petal formation from the daffodil. Pictures are worth a thousand words. Note that this was posted on 04-01-11.

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#2358

From: "Eileen" <catawba@...>
Date: Fri Apr 1, 2011 8:19 pm
Subject: Re: Dahlia Crossed with Daffodil

I wish you had shown this daffodahl to us on any day but April 1. If true will it be sterile?

Eileen

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#2359

From: Edward Mills <edward_mills@...>
Date: Fri Apr 1, 2011 6:47 pm
Subject: Re: Dahlia Crossed with Daffodil

edward_mills@...

Well it is April 1st


Edward

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#2360

From: Jeff Wincek <jdouglasw2001@...>
Date: Sat Apr 2, 2011 5:16 am
Subject: Re: Re: Dahlia Crossed with Daffodil

Probably not sterile, but not likely to date much, either.

Jeff

--- On Fri, 4/1/11, Eileen <catawba@...> wrote:

From: Eileen <catawba@...>
Subject: [dahliacreating] Re: Dahlia Crossed with Daffodil
To: dahliacreating@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, April 1, 2011, 3:19 PM

I wish you had shown this daffodahl to us on any day but April 1. If true will it be sterile?

Eileen

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#2361

From: sbgseattle@...
Date: Sun Apr 17, 2011 12:52 am
Subject: (No subject)

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#2362

From: sbgseattle@...
Date: Mon May 2, 2011 4:38 am
Subject: (No subject)

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#2363

From: e4449@...
Date: Mon May 2, 2011 4:21 pm
Subject: Re:

hollyhilldah...

I assume that this message was not sent by you and that I should not use the link. Were you hit by some email virus?

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#2364

From: Rod Field <rjfield236@...>
Date: Mon May 2, 2011 4:49 pm
Subject: RE:

rjfield236@...

Have absolutely no clue how this message was sent to you.With so many emails going around one has no inkling though I do have internet security.

To: dahliacreating@yahoogroups.com
From: e4449@...
Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 12:21:24 -0400
Subject: Re: [dahliacreating]

I assume that this message was not sent by you and that I should not use the link. Were you hit by some email virus?

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#2365

From: sbgseattle@...
Date: Tue May 3, 2011 12:59 am
Subject: Re:

birchbaybirc...

It was not sent by me. I run a virus check every day at 6PM. I keep it up to date. I understand it is coming from a computer that uses Outlook express and has my address in there file.

Steve B

-----Original Message-----
From: e4449@...
To: dahliacreating@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, May 2, 2011 9:21 am
Subject: Re: [dahliacreating]

I assume that this message was not sent by you and that I should not use the link. Were you hit by some email virus?

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#2366

From: e4449@...
Date: Tue May 10, 2011 3:38 pm
Subject: Plants Ready, Garden Is Not

hollyhilldah...

Our first year seedlings are all potted up and growing like weeds in the greenhouse. About half of them are big enough to be planted. Weather may cooperate and it may be possible to start planting this coming weekend if it really is as dry as they predict. One always speculates what a small plant will produce. I examined one of the largest plants with a very thick stem and it turned out to be one of Margaret's hand crosses of an AA and an A. Looks promising and large stems and leaves are characteristics of large flowers.
Previous posts have had people talking about plants that have some red on the stem and whether they will be red flowers. I do not put much credence to that as dark foliaged plants can have just about any color of flower. Dahlias have two flower pigments and anthocyanin is the red pigment and the same anthocyanin pigment is on some plant stems and leaves. However, if a flower has very little red pigment, it is pink or if even less it is white and if it overlays a white pigment it is purple. And orange is probably a combination of red and some other flavonoid pigment. Basically all of the dahlia colors can come from plants with some red on the foliage. I think most dahlias have anthocyanin pigment in the flowers and just because the stem is reddish means little.

Picture of some seedlings attached. I like them all but the big one(almost AA) is really interesting. Lots of petaloids and strange color. May never be released as it is poor tuber maker.

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#2367

From: "Vivian Mulcahy" <vivian.mulcahy@...>
Date: Tue May 10, 2011 10:48 pm
Subject: RE: Plants Ready, Garden Is Not [1 Attachment]

vivian.mulcahy@...

I really like the large pink one!!!! Please keep working on it.

Best regards.

Vivian, from Argentina, South America

De: dahliacreating@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dahliacreating@yahoogroups.com] En nombre de e4449@...
Enviado el: Martes, 10 de Mayo de 2011 12:38 p.m.
Para: dahliacreating@yahoogroups.com
Asunto: [dahliacreating] Plants Ready, Garden Is Not [1 Attachment]

Our first year seedlings are all potted up and growing like weeds in the greenhouse. About half of them are big enough to be planted. Weather may cooperate and it may be possible to start planting this coming weekend if it really is as dry as they predict. One always speculates what a small plant will produce. I examined one of the largest plants with a very thick stem and it turned out to be one of Margaret's hand crosses of an AA and an A. Looks promising and large stems and leaves are characteristics of large flowers.
Previous posts have had people talking about plants that have some red on the stem and whether they will be red flowers. I do not put much credence to that as dark foliaged plants can have just about any color of flower. Dahlias have two flower pigments and anthocyanin is the red pigment and the same anthocyanin pigment is on some plant stems and leaves. However, if a flower has very little red pigment, it is pink or if even less it is white and if it overlays a white pigment it is purple. And orange is probably a combination of red and some other flavonoid pigment. Basically all of the dahlia colors can come from plants with some red on the foliage. I think most dahlias have anthocyanin pigment in the flowers and just because the stem is reddish means little.

Picture of some seedlings attached. I like them all but the big one(almost AA) is really interesting. Lots of petaloids and strange color. May never be released as it is poor tuber maker.

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#2368

From: "William F Matthews" <billym@...>
Date: Wed May 11, 2011 10:10 am
Subject: Plants Ready, Garden Is Not [1 Attachment]

Looks like you have a great RED, too.

Billy

William F. Matthews
65 Witch Hazel Road
Portugal Cove-St. Philip's, NL
Canada
A1M 3N3

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Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 1:08 PM

Subject: [dahliacreating] Plants Ready, Garden Is Not [1 Attachment]

Our first year seedlings are all potted up and growing like weeds in the greenhouse. About half of them are big enough to be planted. Weather may cooperate and it may be possible to start planting this coming weekend if it really is as dry as they predict. One always speculates what a small plant will produce. I examined one of the largest plants with a very thick stem and it turned out to be one of Margaret's hand crosses of an AA and an A. Looks promising and large stems and leaves are characteristics of large flowers.
Previous posts have had people talking about plants that have some red on the stem and whether they will be red flowers. I do not put much credence to that as dark foliaged plants can have just about any color of flower. Dahlias have two flower pigments and anthocyanin is the red pigment and the same anthocyanin pigment is on some plant stems and leaves. However, if a flower has very little red pigment, it is pink or if even less it is white and if it overlays a white pigment it is purple. And orange is probably a combination of red and some other flavonoid pigment. Basically all of the dahlia colors can come from plants with some red on the foliage. I think most dahlias have anthocyanin pigment in the flowers and just because the stem is reddish means little.

Picture of some seedlings attached. I like them all but the big one(almost AA) is really interesting. Lots of petaloids and strange color. May never be released as it is poor tuber maker.

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#2369

From: e4449@...
Date: Wed May 11, 2011 2:18 pm
Subject: Re: Plants Ready, Garden Is Not

hollyhilldah...

Do you grow dahlias in Argentina? We do not receive many comments from "dahlia" people in South America.

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From: Vivian Mulcahy <vivian.mulcahy@...>
To: dahliacreating <dahliacreating@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, May 10, 2011 3:48 pm
Subject: RE: [dahliacreating] Plants Ready, Garden Is Not

I really like the large pink one!!!! Please keep working on it.

Best regards.

Vivian, from Argentina, South America

De: dahliacreating@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dahliacreating@yahoogroups.com] En nombre de e4449@...
Enviado el: Martes, 10 de Mayo de 2011 12:38 p.m.
Para: dahliacreating@yahoogroups.com
Asunto: [dahliacreating] Plants Ready, Garden Is Not [1 Attachment]

Our first year seedlings are all potted up and growing like weeds in the greenhouse. About half of them are big enough to be planted. Weather may cooperate and it may be possible to start planting this coming weekend if it really is as dry as they predict. One always speculates what a small plant will produce. I examined one of the largest plants with a very thick stem and it turned out to be one of Margaret's hand crosses of an AA and an A. Looks promising and large stems and leaves are characteristics of large flowers.
Previous posts have had people talking about plants that have some red on the stem and whether they will be red flowers. I do not put much credence to that as dark foliaged plants can have just about any color of flower. Dahlias have two flower pigments and anthocyanin is the red pigment and the same anthocyanin pigment is on some plant stems and leaves. However, if a flower has very little red pigment, it is pink or if even less it is white and if it overlays a white pigment it is purple. And orange is probably a combination of red and some other flavonoid pigment. Basically all of the dahlia colors can come from plants with some red on the foliage. I think most dahlias have anthocyanin pigment in the flowers and just because the stem is reddish means little.

Picture of some seedlings attached. I like them all but the big one(almost AA) is really interesting. Lots of petaloids and strange color. May never be released as it is poor tuber maker.

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