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CORY, I DO 100 PLANTS. I CAN NOT IMAGINE DOING 6500!! WALT YOU WOULD GET

MY VOTE FOR "KING" OF THE SHOW!

ED--FINGER LAKES- NY

In a message dated 11/27/2009 10:06:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, waltsdahlias@... writes:

A couple of pictures for your entertainment!

Last Tuesday Walt finished digging the last dahlia- Wyn's Highlighter. He dug around 6,500 plants through wind & pouring rain & has cut them all up & is now in the process of storing them in bins in vermiculite down in the "dungeon" (aka-- the basement cold room)

The second picture is of one of 12 loads of stalks he loaded up & took down to the back of the farm to compost.

Cory

Wynne's Dahlias

Ferndale, WA

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From: "Murray Thompson" <mg.thompson@...>
Date: Sat Nov 28, 2009 3:33 pm
Subject: Re: halfway dug; some storage questions

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Hi Sadie .. re the wood shavings, while they will absorb a small amount of moisture, they are close to 'moisture-neutral'. The different types of wood shavings used makes little difference...it is more important to ensure a minimum of sliver-type pieces which could poke into the tubers. The amount of shavings you use will hinge on whether you 'cured' the tubers first, or put them into the shavings right away. While curing first is ideal, they will in fact cure in the shavings as long as you use a high volume.. say, 2/3 to 3/4 shavings to 1/3 to 1/4 tubers by volume...(or switch to drier mediums such as vermiculite or peat) Cured or not, with the tubers stored in plastic tubs in shavings, you don't want/need extra humidity. By the way, if you don't get enough shavings in time, pet stores sell shavings as pet litter, inexpensively.

re 'bigger clumps for next year', I agree with Billy. You get a more vigorous plant and you minimise the chance for any disease being carried forward if you plant 1-3 fingers in a clump - you allow room for new tubers to be created - and best to have one stalk (or maximum two) out of the ground - remove the rest.

The greatest concern to me is the mention of 'unheated storage'. No doubt there will be some temperature gradient between outside and inside, but the simple truth is that once the temps hit freezing in the storage space, you can expect damage, worst case scenario meaning total loss.

I have minimal storage space as well, but look to friends for use of their cold rooms or basements, and I offer them some of the stock, or a few sheckels, as thanks. That being said, I also split my stock, so there is a bit of each cultivar in both places to guard against failure. This was an easy choice - all costs combined were less than 10% of replacement!

Hope that helps!

Murray, in Whitby, Ontario

From: seesharpflat

To: dahlias@yahoogroups.com

i have some questions/concerns.
1) will the wood shavings suck all the moisture out of the tubers and will the clumps shrivel?
2) will the volatile oils from some of the woods be a problem, preventing sprouting in spring?

sadie in nw wa.

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#33360

From: fleurtique@...
Date: Sat Nov 28, 2009 9:22 am
Subject: Re: Digging Finished!

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Very much enjoyed...and so worth the effort - thanks for sharing

Janet - formerly from Everett WA, now in Knoxville TN

In a message dated 11/27/2009 10:06:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, waltsdahlias@... writes:

A couple of pictures for your entertainment!

Last Tuesday Walt finished digging the last dahlia- Wyn's Highlighter. He dug around 6,500 plants through wind & pouring rain & has cut them all up & is now in the process of storing them in bins in vermiculite down in the "dungeon" (aka-- the basement cold room)

The second picture is of one of 12 loads of stalks he loaded up & took down to the back of the farm to compost.

Cory

Wynne's Dahlias

Ferndale, WA

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#33359

From: "William F Matthews" <billym@...>
Date: Sat Nov 28, 2009 12:55 pm
Subject: halfway dug; some storage questions

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Divide now, and plant some divisions now??? - an experiment. Clumps get way too big to handle after two seasons. Five small clumps are easier to handle than one large one. Division is to promote vigour, too. I don't think the wood shavings will affect the tubers at all, except provide insulation.

I would not risk ALL my dahlias above ground on the chances of a big freeze.

BTW, wet here too, and balmy at the moment. A great November so far.

Billy

William F. Matthews
65 Witch Hazel Road
Portugal Cove-St. Philip's, NL
Canada
A1M 3N3

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From: seesharpflat

To: dahlias@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 3:03 AM

Subject: [dahlias] halfway dug; some storage questions

hello group;

i am trying something different this year. since i am digging so late, i have no time to divide the clumps and do the saran wrap method. so i am digging, brushing off excess dirt but NOT washing, and then i am putting them into 18 gallon tubs and packing them in wood shavings that i am getting from my friend who turns wood bowls. i am using lots of different shavings; maple, cedar, walnut. some of the woods have strong volatile oils, so i am a bit nervous.

i have some questions/concerns.
1) will the wood shavings suck all the moisture out of the tubers and will the clumps shrivel?
2) will the volatile oils from some of the woods be a problem, preventing sprouting in spring?

if anyone tells me to get those clumps outta those shavings quick, i will have to do something different! i'm hoping that the plastic tubs will 'sweat' a bit, thus providing some humidity, but can't be sure of this. i tried when packing to not let the clumps touch the sides of the plastic bins or each other.

also, don't know how this will be for the tubers in a big freeze, since they are in an unheated storage unit. i already have 6 large HEAVY tubs of tubers. will probably have at least 2-3 more, but waiting for my friend to turn some more wood bowls and produce some more shavings!

the whole idea was to keep them in clumps, grow larger clumps from those next year, and just leave them in the ground. have a friend who does that and she rarely has any loss. she cuts them to the ground and mulches heavily and forgets about them until spring!

thanks to anyone who might be able to answer any of my concerns definitively. pm me if you don't want to take up board time with my questions. i probably could have left the tubers in the ground - they looked fine with little rot; but if it keeps raining like this, i'm sure they would have drowned and rotted, and some clumps were only a few tubers so i didn't want to risk it.

sadie in nw wa.

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From: "seesharpflat" <seesharpflat@...>
Date: Sat Nov 28, 2009 6:33 am
Subject: halfway dug; some storage questions

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hello group;

i am trying something different this year. since i am digging so late, i have no
time to divide the clumps and do the saran wrap method. so i am digging,
brushing off excess dirt but NOT washing, and then i am putting them into 18
gallon tubs and packing them in wood shavings that i am getting from my friend
who turns wood bowls. i am using lots of different shavings; maple, cedar,
walnut. some of the woods have strong volatile oils, so i am a bit nervous.

i have some questions/concerns.
1) will the wood shavings suck all the moisture out of the tubers and will the
clumps shrivel?
2) will the volatile oils from some of the woods be a problem, preventing
sprouting in spring?

if anyone tells me to get those clumps outta those shavings quick, i will have
to do something different! i'm hoping that the plastic tubs will 'sweat' a bit,
thus providing some humidity, but can't be sure of this. i tried when packing to
not let the clumps touch the sides of the plastic bins or each other.

  also, don't know how this will be for the tubers in a big freeze, since they
are in an unheated storage unit. i already have 6 large HEAVY tubs of tubers.
will probably have at least 2-3 more, but waiting for my friend to turn some
more wood bowls and produce some more shavings!

the whole idea was to keep them in clumps, grow larger clumps from those next
year, and just leave them in the ground. have a friend who does that and she
rarely has any loss. she cuts them to the ground and mulches heavily and forgets
about them until spring!

thanks to anyone who might be able to answer any of my concerns definitively. pm
me if you don't want to take up board time with my questions.  i probably could
have left the tubers in the ground - they looked fine with little rot; but if it
keeps raining like this, i'm sure they would have drowned and rotted, and some
clumps were only a few tubers so i didn't want to risk it.

sadie in nw wa.

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From: Me <rabbyt@...>
Date: Sat Nov 28, 2009 3:06 am
Subject: Re: information

rabbytca

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Interesting question Karen.

I wonder if dahlia tubers would keep well under the same conditions that potatoes in a root cellar do?

Larry

On Nov 27, 2009, at 3:34 PM, Karen wrote:

Hi everyone. Been talking about humidity problems while storing. My friend asks this:

I was on that website you sent me before. I was looking for a big articicle on Tuber storing and humidity.Just curious if one could keep humidity at 70 til you planted would one get better storage.

I think that too much humidity would cause problems but I will forward answers to her. thanks, Karen from Comox

#33356

From: Walts Dahlias <waltsdahlias@...>
Date: Sat Nov 28, 2009 3:05 am
Subject: Digging Finished!

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A couple of pictures for your entertainment!

Last Tuesday Walt finished digging the last dahlia- Wyn's Highlighter. He dug around 6,500 plants through wind & pouring rain & has cut them all up & is now in the process of storing them in bins in vermiculite down in the "dungeon" (aka-- the basement cold room)

The second picture is of one of 12 loads of stalks he loaded up & took down to the back of the farm to compost.

Cory

Wynne's Dahlias

Ferndale, WA

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From: "Karen" <ksbull@...>
Date: Fri Nov 27, 2009 11:34 pm
Subject: information

dahlianutkaren

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Hi everyone. Been talking about humidity problems while storing. My friend asks this:

I was on that website you sent me before. I was looking for a big articicle on Tuber storing and humidity.Just curious if one could keep humidity at 70 til you planted would one get better storage.

I think that too much humidity would cause problems but I will forward answers to her. thanks, Karen from Comox

#33354

From: lynnie.sperring@...
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 5:35 pm
Subject: Re: Marjorie Thatcher

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Sorry, do not know. Ask Roger Walker as he gets a list of all the new introductions and who is introducing them.

Good Luck

Lynnie

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From: "LARRY TERESA BERGMAN" <larryteresa@...>
To: "dahlias" <dahlias@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 4:31:03 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: [dahlias] Marjorie Thatcher

Does anyone know if the yellow seedling from Marjorie Thatcher, shown at the National show, is being introduced this year? If so, who is introducing it?

Thanks,

Teresa

#33353

From: LARRY TERESA BERGMAN <larryteresa@...>
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 12:31 pm
Subject: Marjorie Thatcher

crdahlia

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Does anyone know if the yellow seedling from Marjorie Thatcher, shown at the National show, is being introduced this year? If so, who is introducing it?

Thanks,

Teresa

#33352

From: Janzgarden Jones <janscountrygarden@...>
Date: Fri Nov 20, 2009 5:20 pm
Subject: Re: getting worried; haven't dug my dahlias and now it's raining and blowing daily

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I'm thankful to have several thousand clumps dug, divided, and now stored. I found some tubers had already started to rot from the "bottom" up--not from the top. It was unusual... perhaps from all the rain we've had here on the Olympic Peninsula.

Your tubers might be fine since you have them in raised beds. I would be concerned though that they might freeze between now and February.

Jan Jones
Jan's Country Garden
http://www.janscountrygarden.com

--- On Thu, 11/19/09, Karen <ksbull@...> wrote:

From: Karen <ksbull@...>
Subject: Re: [dahlias] getting worried; haven't dug my dahlias and now it's raining and blowing daily
To: dahlias@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 5:48 PM

Well you are brave to leave them in. good luck with that. Don't you worry that the worms will get them at least? We had some snow up our way last night. Karen from Comox BC

#33351

From: "Karen" <ksbull@...>
Date: Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:48 am
Subject: Re: getting worried; haven't dug my dahlias and now it's raining and blowing daily

dahlianutkaren

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Well you are brave to leave them in. good luck with that. Don't you worry that the worms will get them at least? We had some snow up our way last night. Karen from Comox BC

#33350

From: Ferdinand Ahl <rip.lipper@...>
Date: Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:40 am
Subject: Re: getting worried; haven't dug my dahlias and now it's raining and blowing daily

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Here in Elk Plain Washington I am not to worried about the ground freezing. I am keeping the rain off and plan on digging them in mid Feb. Maybe <G>

#33349

From: "Murray Thompson" <mg.thompson@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:34 am
Subject: Re: getting worried; haven't dug my dahlias and now it's raining and blowing daily

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Sorry, Sadie & all, I think I misunderstood the message! Let me try again. Re clumps being still in the ground with an inverted pot, you can still collect fluid inside. I have heard of drilling a hole downwards thru the neck of the tuber, right into the ground - that might drain the fluid, albeit at some risk to tubers immediately below the stem. In my patch (where conditions could be much different) I had a few cases of browning inside the stem after abt 10 days - but no losses definatively attributed to the delay.

Murray, in Whitby

was reading that some of you were experiencing rot on your tubers as you dug. i cut my dahlias down 2 weeks ago and then put pots upside down on the hollow stems to try to keep out the rain. got crazy-busy with some things out of my control and still haven't dug. really worried about crown rot. any thoughts on this?

by now, most of you are dug and snug! i am envious!

sadie

#33348

From: "Bill Johnson" <pincush@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:36 am
Subject: Re: getting worried; haven't dug my dahlias and now it's raining and blowing daily

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Oh Sadie; I've said little since Black Saturday and the dreadful fires but though it is still only Spring we've copped 6 successive days over 30C (all time record) and today is an acute Fire Ban one labelled "catastrophic" in some regions where 40+ is expected. We had the hottest August night ever, but mostly Aug-October have been really cool (11C-18C) and the seedlings I sowed from Sept 1 have been very slow to develop. Thus when suddenly hit with heat some were killed, others crisped and I've had to pull a lot up (they're in pots) and put them on the porch, which isn't so good either as it makes them grow, if at all, spindley and weak. I carry them out to the sun for a few hours each morning and then return them in an effort to get some kind of balance. Of the 72 varieties carried over from last year some 62 are growing (plus 73 duplicates) and the other 10 seem lost --- there were lots of blind tubers, no eyes or shoots, though very little rotting Some of these are still held in the hope of a late shooting. Like you I store the Wintering pots upside down , or sideways, and there's usually only about 1% rotting though, in the last three years many blind tubers. So at the moment with tubers and seedlings there's about 140 anemone varieties but stunting, virus, and heat is feared to make inroads into them. Why do I even bother to grow them at all, must be masochistic!.

Bill J

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From: seesharpflat

To: dahlias@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 10:59 AM

Subject: [dahlias] getting worried; haven't dug my dahlias and now it's raining and blowing daily

hi group;

was reading that some of you were experiencing rot on your tubers as you dug. i cut my dahlias down 2 weeks ago and then put pots upside down on the hollow stems to try to keep out the rain. got crazy-busy with some things out of my control and still haven't dug. really worried about crown rot. any thoughts on this?

can't get to them til next week. hope things are going to be ok.

by now, most of you are dug and snug! i am envious!

sadie

#33347

From: <garden@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:20 am
Subject: Mid Nov in the southern prairies....I dug my dahlias yesterday!

soapmaster2002

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we had a lousey October here...cold, wet, miserable...but November has been fabulous!!! FINALLY attempted to dig my dahlias and was surprised to see ALL were alive and well and strong! Dont think this is usual for here, but I am not complaining!!!

Anna

southern SK, Canada

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From: LARRY TERESA BERGMAN <larryteresa@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:13 am
Subject: RE: getting worried; haven't dug my dahlias and now it's raining and blowing daily

crdahlia

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You're not alone -- I still have a long ways to go before being done. I'm curious as to whether the water that is already in the stalk when I cut them down is any worse than rain getting in there. Most of mine are cut down, putting a pot on top of each one is impossible, because I have so many.

Teresa

To: dahlias@yahoogroups.com
From: seesharpflat@...
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 23:59:03 +0000
Subject: [dahlias] getting worried; haven't dug my dahlias and now it's raining and blowing daily

hi group;

was reading that some of you were experiencing rot on your tubers as you dug. i cut my dahlias down 2 weeks ago and then put pots upside down on the hollow stems to try to keep out the rain. got crazy-busy with some things out of my control and still haven't dug. really worried about crown rot. any thoughts on this?

can't get to them til next week. hope things are going to be ok.

by now, most of you are dug and snug! i am envious!

sadie

#33345

From: "Murray Thompson" <mg.thompson@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:14 am
Subject: Re: getting worried; haven't dug my dahlias and now it's raining and blowing daily

mt_whitby

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If all your plantings were in pots, you have an advantage over those of us who grow in the ground. If the pots are upside down, I wouldn't worry about rot caused by rain. However, tubers in pots are more prone to damage from freezing, which carries a different set of conditions for rot. Of course, if your pots are upsided down, covered with dry leaves over the top, with a sheet of plastic secured over the top, that minimizes risk substantially if temps are just a few degrees below.

Murray, in Whitby, in the midst of packing

was reading that some of you were experiencing rot on your tubers as you dug. i cut my dahlias down 2 weeks ago and then put pots upside down on the hollow stems to try to keep out the rain. got crazy-busy with some things out of my control and still haven't dug. really worried about crown rot. any thoughts on this?
sadie

#33344

From: "seesharpflat" <seesharpflat@...>
Date: Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:59 pm
Subject: getting worried; haven't dug my dahlias and now it's raining and blowing daily

seesharpflat

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hi group;

was reading that some of you were experiencing rot on your tubers as you dug. i
cut my dahlias down 2 weeks ago and then put pots upside down on the hollow
stems to try to keep out the rain. got crazy-busy with some things out of my
control and still haven't dug. really worried about crown rot. any thoughts on
this?

can't get to them til next week. hope things are going to be ok.

by now, most of you are dug and snug! i am envious!

sadie

#33343

From: "betherevr" <adunstan@...>
Date: Tue Nov 17, 2009 1:57 am
Subject: Humidity for dahlias

betherevr

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We're expanding our use of our greenhouse for growing dahlias, and in the
process have found an article entitled "Understanding Humidity Control in
Greenhouses". It's a Floriculture Factsheet produced by the British Columbia
Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food. On the bottom of the last page of
that article Table 2 depicts a humidity control strategy based on vapor pressure
deficit. As the table depicts, a VPD between 8 and 10 millibars (the middle
shaded area) has been chosen as ideal.

Using a thermometer and a relative humidity gauge I've tracked the humidity in
our greenhouse. In the mornings it starts out well at about 80% RH, but as the
day warms up the RH falls to around 20 to 25%, which is well off the scale of
Table 2. To correct this we've just installed a line of misters at the top of
the greenhouse, and these are able to raise the humidity to 70% or more,
depending on the temperature. This gets us in the ideal range depicted in Table
2.

My question is, is this really the humidity level that DAHLIAS need? This
humidity level is SO much higher than what our location is naturally. If this is
the humidity level that dahlias need I'm wondering how we'll ever grow them well
in our field. Does anyone know if dahlias are typical in their humidity
requirements? There are many native plants to this area, so obviously not all
plants need 50% to 75% RH. Thanks for any help anyone can give with this.

Andy Dunstan
Love House Dahlias
Ventura (Foster Park), CA

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#33342

From: fleurtique@...
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 8:11 pm
Subject: Re: need name

jantrew3

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no, definitely not Akita No Hikari -

Janet

In a message dated 11/14/2009 1:02:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, donnamlane@... writes:

Is it possibly Akita No Hikari?

Donna Lane in Norwood where the winds a whipping and rains are subsiding, a result of the tail end of the Hurricane.

On Nov 13, 2009, at 5:11 PM, Karen wrote:

Hi- well I have put this dahlia up on here once before and I am still looking fora name. I thought it was Aitara Rufus, but that one is a semicactus. Any ideas? thanks Karen - the sun is out and I am almost rid of this flu/cold

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#33341

From: Donna Lane <donnamlane@...>
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:02 pm
Subject: Re: need name

donnamlane@...

Is it possibly Akita No Hikari?

Donna Lane in Norwood where the winds a whipping and rains are subsiding, a result of the tail end of the Hurricane.

On Nov 13, 2009, at 5:11 PM, Karen wrote:

Hi- well I have put this dahlia up on here once before and I am still looking fora name. I thought it was Aitara Rufus, but that one is a semicactus. Any ideas? thanks Karen - the sun is out and I am almost rid of this flu/cold

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#33340

From: "Karen" <ksbull@...>
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:42 pm
Subject: Re: need name

dahlianutkaren

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ps- Sarah Mae is pink. This is definately Red

#33339

From: "Karen" <ksbull@...>
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:40 pm
Subject: Re: need name

dahlianutkaren

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Hi- I did mention in my second email that it was almost a B size. I am not sure it gets to 8 inches...more like 6 tops but thankyou for your answer and I will look that one up. Karen from 0 degrees or 32F Comox Valley. Chance of snow

#33338

From: e4449@...
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:38 pm
Subject: Re: need name

hollyhilldah...

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Must remind people to state the approximate size of flower. If about 8 inches in diameter, I believe it is Sarah Mae.

-----Original Message-----
From: Karen <ksbull@...>
To: dahlias@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, Nov 13, 2009 2:11 pm
Subject: [dahlias] need name

Hi- well I have put this dahlia up on here once before and I am still looking fora name. I thought it was Aitara Rufus, but that one is a semicactus. Any ideas? thanks Karen - the sun is out and I am almost rid of this flu/cold

#33337

From: "Karen" <ksbull@...>
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:08 am
Subject: Re: need name

dahlianutkaren

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No it's definately not Urchin. This one is really nice and almost a B sized bright red incurved cactus.

#33336

From: SHIRLEY SHAFFER <hunatoo@...>
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 3:56 am
Subject: RE: need name

salley252

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It is NOT urchin.

To: dahlias@yahoogroups.com
From: fleurtique@...
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 22:19:05 -0500
Subject: Re: [dahlias] need name

Would it be Urchin? is it a BB?

In a message dated 11/13/2009 5:41:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ksbull@shaw.ca writes:

Hi- well I have put this dahlia up on here once before and I am still looking fora name. I thought it was Aitara Rufus, but that one is a semicactus. Any ideas? thanks Karen - the sun is out and I am almost rid of this flu/cold

#33335

From: fleurtique@...
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 10:19 pm
Subject: Re: need name

jantrew3

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Would it be Urchin? is it a BB?

In a message dated 11/13/2009 5:41:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ksbull@... writes:

Hi- well I have put this dahlia up on here once before and I am still looking fora name. I thought it was Aitara Rufus, but that one is a semicactus. Any ideas? thanks Karen - the sun is out and I am almost rid of this flu/cold

#33334

From: "Karen" <ksbull@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 10:11 pm
Subject: need name

dahlianutkaren

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#33333

From: "Rolf" <rolftfa@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:18 pm
Subject: RE: End of season

stormingerman

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