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Hi,
Sounds like a great DC FS meeting topic on Feb. 12th.
Attendees may want to bring some pass around snacks.
On another note, for those interested in VW stuff, RL NYC area based Tish Shute who operates the UgoTrade.com blog has put up an interesting lengthy post titled "Exploring Reality In Virtual Worlds With Piet Hut."
http://www.ugotrade.com/2008/01/15/exploring-reality-in-virtual-worlds-with-piet-hut/
"Astrophysicist Piet Hut (Pema Pera in Second Life) has come into virtual worlds to explore questions about reality. Piet’s interest in reality is the question of what reality really is. His exploration starts with scientific insights and moves into the reaches of contemplative traditions and other ways of knowing to ask: “What else is true?”
Piets experiments in virtual worlds began with Videoranch (founded by Michael Nesmith, one of the original Monkees, and his wife), and now Qwaq Forums and Second Life. Piet is planning to write a book with the tentative title “Exploring Reality in Virtual Worlds.” He is a professor at the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton, but is currently logging in from Kyoto Japan where he is involved in joint research with Japanese astrophysicists."
I have not tried Qwaq but plan to do so soon, as I had a recent meeting with an Austin based entrepreneur (creator of Pocket Realms) that is working on another project which appears to have some similarities to Qwaq. What is interesting is the medium is not so into the Avatar thing, but may offer the ability for more practical application than some of the large client, resource intensive VW's. Yet, in Tish's post we see that Piet Hut, active with Qwaq and Videoranch appears to have 'discovered' Second Life and wishes to explore how the differing environments might inter-operate, or perhaps enhance each instance.
Okay, and there IS a thread to DC FS here too, if you scroll down the main http://ugotrade.com page our illustrious DC FS host Ben Goertzel weighs in (and we see his AV).
--Jim
Artificial Intelligence Applications in 3D Virtual Worlds
While the development of distributed artificial intelligence in virtual worlds is certainly going to spawn a variety of killer apps one day soon, it is still early days for this. At the Virtual Worlds Conference and Expo, 2007 in San Jose, Ben Goertzel’s startup company Novamente LLC announced their collaboration with Electric Sheep Company to bring artificial intelligence agents (virtual pets) to online virtual worlds (see BBC News Coverage). Harnessing the wisdom of crowds in the rapid prototyping environment of a user generated, 3D world like Second Life presents an extraordinary opportunity for the development of Artificial Intelligence applications (see my post here on Artificial General Intelligence in Second Life).
The development of OpenSim and creating interoperability between OpenSim and Second Life in 2008 will create many new opportunities to create artificial intelligence applications in virtual worlds that require a secure and public platform. Already use cases and prototypes for energy management, predictive maintenance, building automation and network operation centers that are being designed to be integrated with AI are being developed on OpenSim (see my post on Eolus One’s work on building automation and Illuminous Beltran’s Virtual Network Operations Center).
In the picture above Illuminous Beltran (Michael Osias, IBM) is discussing with Zarathustrapoalypse (Ben Goertzel of Novamente) the possibility of having a virtual Artificial Intelligence system administration operation center that could diagnose problems and be able to describe them in an abstracted, qualitative format and then having conversational AI avatars to describe the problems to sys-administrators (and indicate them gesturally in the 3D sim world).
As Ben Goertzel of Novamente also has considerable experience applying AI to financial trading and understands both the data and the psychology of traders pretty well I asked what he thought of the Wrlds project, and how it could be developed with AI. Ben came up with a very interesting, off the cuff, AI tie in.
> To: dcfuture@yahoogroups.com
> From: ben@...
> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:17:01 -0500
> Subject: [dcfuture] Future Salon on Robotics: Tues Feb. 12, 7PM
>
> Hi all,
>
> We will have a DC Future Salon meeting on the theme of
> Cognitive Robotics, on Tues Feb 12 at 7PM
>
> Carl Leonard, of the NIH and Lired Corp., will discuss
> the current state of robotics technology. Carl is a long-time
> robotics enthusiast with a quite thorough knowledge of
> the domain.
>
> Some not-fully-up-to-date info on Carl and his robotics
> experience is given here
>
> http://www.altum.com/bcig/events/seminars/2002/2002_07.htm
>
> which PLEASE NOTE is a page associated with another
> talk he gave a few years back, not with the current Future
> Salon talk.
>
> Then Ben Goertzel will briefly discuss current work
> relating AI and cognitive robotics, including probabilistic
> robotics such as was used in the winning entry in last
> year's DARPA Grand Challenge.
>
> Physical information is the same as the last few meetings:
>
> > Location:
> > 1133 19th St NW 9th Floor
> > Washington, DC 20036
> >
> > If you arrive between 7-7:15PM, someone will be
> > waiting downstairs to let you in. If you arrive later,
> > call my cell at 240-505-6518 and someone will
> > come down to let you in.
>
> Looking forward to seeing y'all again ;-)
>
> Ben Goertzel
> Coordinator, DC Future Salon
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> <*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dcfuture/
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Sounds like a great DC FS meeting topic on Feb. 12th.
Attendees may want to bring some pass around snacks.
On another note, for those interested in VW stuff, RL NYC area based Tish Shute who operates the UgoTrade.com blog has put up an interesting lengthy post titled "Exploring Reality In Virtual Worlds With Piet Hut."
http://www.ugotrade.com/2008/01/15/exploring-reality-in-virtual-worlds-with-piet-hut/
"Astrophysicist Piet Hut (Pema Pera in Second Life) has come into virtual worlds to explore questions about reality. Piet’s interest in reality is the question of what reality really is. His exploration starts with scientific insights and moves into the reaches of contemplative traditions and other ways of knowing to ask: “What else is true?”
Piets experiments in virtual worlds began with Videoranch (founded by Michael Nesmith, one of the original Monkees, and his wife), and now Qwaq Forums and Second Life. Piet is planning to write a book with the tentative title “Exploring Reality in Virtual Worlds.” He is a professor at the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton, but is currently logging in from Kyoto Japan where he is involved in joint research with Japanese astrophysicists."
I have not tried Qwaq but plan to do so soon, as I had a recent meeting with an Austin based entrepreneur (creator of Pocket Realms) that is working on another project which appears to have some similarities to Qwaq. What is interesting is the medium is not so into the Avatar thing, but may offer the ability for more practical application than some of the large client, resource intensive VW's. Yet, in Tish's post we see that Piet Hut, active with Qwaq and Videoranch appears to have 'discovered' Second Life and wishes to explore how the differing environments might inter-operate, or perhaps enhance each instance.
Okay, and there IS a thread to DC FS here too, if you scroll down the main http://ugotrade.com page our illustrious DC FS host Ben Goertzel weighs in (and we see his AV).
--Jim
Artificial Intelligence Applications in 3D Virtual Worlds
While the development of distributed artificial intelligence in virtual worlds is certainly going to spawn a variety of killer apps one day soon, it is still early days for this. At the Virtual Worlds Conference and Expo, 2007 in San Jose, Ben Goertzel’s startup company Novamente LLC announced their collaboration with Electric Sheep Company to bring artificial intelligence agents (virtual pets) to online virtual worlds (see BBC News Coverage). Harnessing the wisdom of crowds in the rapid prototyping environment of a user generated, 3D world like Second Life presents an extraordinary opportunity for the development of Artificial Intelligence applications (see my post here on Artificial General Intelligence in Second Life).
The development of OpenSim and creating interoperability between OpenSim and Second Life in 2008 will create many new opportunities to create artificial intelligence applications in virtual worlds that require a secure and public platform. Already use cases and prototypes for energy management, predictive maintenance, building automation and network operation centers that are being designed to be integrated with AI are being developed on OpenSim (see my post on Eolus One’s work on building automation and Illuminous Beltran’s Virtual Network Operations Center).
In the picture above Illuminous Beltran (Michael Osias, IBM) is discussing with Zarathustrapoalypse (Ben Goertzel of Novamente) the possibility of having a virtual Artificial Intelligence system administration operation center that could diagnose problems and be able to describe them in an abstracted, qualitative format and then having conversational AI avatars to describe the problems to sys-administrators (and indicate them gesturally in the 3D sim world).
As Ben Goertzel of Novamente also has considerable experience applying AI to financial trading and understands both the data and the psychology of traders pretty well I asked what he thought of the Wrlds project, and how it could be developed with AI. Ben came up with a very interesting, off the cuff, AI tie in.
There is an AI tie-in, since AI can be used to analyze and extrapolate data, and their stuff could then be used to visualize the results…
But that would be a different sort of product, I would say… and a great one … imagine a data-analysis toolkit whose interface was part of a virtual world…
You view your data in the virtual world, a la the wrlds.com methods
You choose methods to analyze your data, via a metaphor of choosing physical tools in the virtual world…
You apply the tools to the data and visualize the results
I note the “toolkit” metaphor is constantly used in the data-analysis world…
Finance would indeed be the first market to look at here, since there is a big and mature market existing for financial data analysis tools…
> To: dcfuture@yahoogroups.com
> From: ben@...
> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:17:01 -0500
> Subject: [dcfuture] Future Salon on Robotics: Tues Feb. 12, 7PM
>
> Hi all,
>
> We will have a DC Future Salon meeting on the theme of
> Cognitive Robotics, on Tues Feb 12 at 7PM
>
> Carl Leonard, of the NIH and Lired Corp., will discuss
> the current state of robotics technology. Carl is a long-time
> robotics enthusiast with a quite thorough knowledge of
> the domain.
>
> Some not-fully-up-to-date info on Carl and his robotics
> experience is given here
>
> http://www.altum.com/bcig/events/seminars/2002/2002_07.htm
>
> which PLEASE NOTE is a page associated with another
> talk he gave a few years back, not with the current Future
> Salon talk.
>
> Then Ben Goertzel will briefly discuss current work
> relating AI and cognitive robotics, including probabilistic
> robotics such as was used in the winning entry in last
> year's DARPA Grand Challenge.
>
> Physical information is the same as the last few meetings:
>
> > Location:
> > 1133 19th St NW 9th Floor
> > Washington, DC 20036
> >
> > If you arrive between 7-7:15PM, someone will be
> > waiting downstairs to let you in. If you arrive later,
> > call my cell at 240-505-6518 and someone will
> > come down to let you in.
>
> Looking forward to seeing y'all again ;-)
>
> Ben Goertzel
> Coordinator, DC Future Salon
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> <*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dcfuture/
Watch “Cause Effect,” a show about real people making a real difference. Learn more
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