--- In deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com, "Bryan Nelson" <bnelson@...>
wrote:
>
> I have several photos, but if the tattooed man scares you, I don't
know if
> you'd want to see these.
>
>
>
>
> Bryan Nelson, M.S.
>
> P.O. Box 414
>
> Davis, CA 95617
>
> (530) 574-8023
>
>  <http://deviantcrimes.com/>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of seolgongchan
> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 5:11 AM
> To: deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [deviantcrimes] Re: Yikes...
>
>
>
> --- In deviantcrimes@ <mailto:deviantcrimes%40yahoogroups.com>
> yahoogroups.com, "joe" <excalibur321112@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In deviantcrimes@ <mailto:deviantcrimes%40yahoogroups.com>
> yahoogroups.com, "seolgongchan"
> > <seolgongchan@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Cleveland Torso Murders-- no one has ever solved them before.
But I
> > do
> > > believe that it is not done by one-- it could be a multi-
faceted
> > > murder spree. I don't see any connection with Flor Polillo and
Edward
> > > Andrassy , and I believe that killers of the succeeding
victims might
> > > have taken advantage of the form done on the first two victims.
> > >
> > > Any other points?
> > >
> >
> > a few of us are looking into this case, and glad you brought it
up.
> > i suppose it could be possible. but is it plausible?? the
connection i
> > see between these two victims:
> > 1. both were arrested. andrassy for carrying a concealed weapon,
and
> > had been picked up several times for intoxification. flo polillo
had a
> > severe drinking problem and had been arrested for prostitution.
(this
> > would be difficult at this point in time wheither or not the
killer
> > knew this about them or not. my guess would be no.)
> >
> > 2. they were associated with people at the buttom of the social
barrel
> > so to speak and/or people of ill repute. the poor, prostitutes
pimps,
> > drug dealers etc. etc..
> >
> > plus i have seen a few of the crime photos related to this case,
all
> > the dismemberments and beheadings suggested that this was done
by
> > someone who was every experienced with a large knife, i.e.
butcher, or
> > hunter. which would make it unlikely that there was someone
copying
> > the crimes.
> >
>
> do you have any photos of the case? please don't give me the
tattooed
> man photo. it scares me out of my skin
>

it's okay. if you may please post them here :-). The Tattooed Man
really scares me though, I could not sleep one night. But okay, i
can manage

--- In deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com, "Bryan Nelson" <bnelson@...>
wrote:
>
> Any suggestions?  I am nowhere near a webmaster, but I can put some
stuff
> together.  As I am switching over to the new server, I will have
about 4
> times the space as the old server.  I would really like to start a
database
> of serial murderers with a BRACE Profile, a Fantasy Wheel Profile
and
> anything else we can think of.  When I was talking with Dr. Silva a
few
> weeks ago he seemed interested in doing something very similar to
this as
> well.  Perhaps we could join forces for a publication on something.
>
>
>
>
> Bryan Nelson, M.S.
>
> P.O. Box 414
>
> Davis, CA 95617
>
> (530) 574-8023
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Russell
> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 5:14 AM
> To: deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [deviantcrimes] Re: Casework
>
>
>
> --- In deviantcrimes@ <mailto:deviantcrimes%40yahoogroups.com>
> yahoogroups.com, "Bryan Nelson" <bnelson@>
> wrote:
> >
> > I am willing to do pro-bono and have done so thus far. I am
> actually in the
> > process of getting a non-profit status and will be doing some
> marketing that
> > way. Once I get that done, I will be putting something on the
site
> about my
> > training, experience, casework etc. and actually creating a
> separate site
> > just for that. If you are interested, perhaps we could discuss
> > collaborating on some casework. I would do so just for the
> experience and
> > learning the BRACE material on a practical basis.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Bryan Nelson, M.S.
> >
> > P.O. Box 414
> >
> > Davis, CA 95617
> >
> > (530) 574-8023
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: deviantcrimes@ <mailto:deviantcrimes%40yahoogroups.com>
> yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:deviantcrimes@ <mailto:deviantcrimes%40yahoogroups.com>
> yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of Russell
> > Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 7:20 PM
> > To: deviantcrimes@ <mailto:deviantcrimes%40yahoogroups.com>
> yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [deviantcrimes] Re: Casework
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In deviantcrimes@ <mailto:deviantcrimes%40yahoogroups.com>
> > yahoogroups.com, "Bryan Nelson" <bnelson@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Does anyone have ideas about getting started on casework? I
have
> > done some
> > > work consulting on a few cases, but would really like to
increase
> my
> > > networking possibilities and working on some cold cases. It has
> > been tough
> > > since the move to California since I really do not know anyone
> and
> > have to
> > > start over in gathering contacts, meeting with people etc. I am
> > looking for
> > > ideas on marketing. Has anyone done casework? If so, how did
you
> > make the
> > > contact?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Bryan Nelson, M.S.
> > >
> > > P.O. Box 414
> > >
> > > Davis, CA 95617
> > >
> > > (530) 574-8023
> > >
> >
> > Almost all of my case work has been pro bono ... victims and LE.
Of
> > course, it has been related to the BRACE Character Profile and
> people
> > have contacted me. I plan to get more serious about making money
> > rather than spending money consulting. Right now I am still
taking
> > care of my MIL and my "work" is too unpredictable. I would
suggest
> > that you add a section to your website to describe the types of
> > casework that you are available to do. One thing you could add to
> the
> > types of casework that you do is using the BRACE Character
Profile.
> I
> > would be happy to provide you with the necessary programs and
> consult
> > with you pro bono until you get more familiar with it. I suggest
> > contacting the professions in the criminal justice and mental
> health
> > fields who would be interested in knowing the cognitive-
behavioral-
> > existential characteristics of known individuals (suspects,
> > witnesses, future in-laws, batterers, etc.).
> > Russell
> >
>
> Collaborating sounds like a good idea to me. Maybe your new website
> could have some innovative ways for people to use the BRACE
Character
> Profile online.
> Russell
>
Working with you and Art to combine the various strengths of our work
would be interesting and fun. It could develop into something none of
us has imagined. My knowledge related to developing websites is far
less than yours. But, what I want to develop is the capacity for
select LE, clinicians, and other professionals to be able to
collaborate on profiles online using the BRACE Character Profile.
That would include generating the graphics and charts online, etc.

Sounds like a major grant to me ...
Russell

--- In deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com, "Bryan Nelson" <bnelson@...>
wrote:
>
> Hey all,
>
> What does everyone know about obtaining documentation from crimes?
I am
> looking to get trial transcripts, crime scene photos, police
reports,
> witness statements etc, or basically anything that I might use for
my
> research on serial murderers.  Offender such as Bundy, Gacy, Dahmer
and Jack
> the Ripper are easy to identify their fantasy elements and are very
well
> documented.  I need to find lesser known offenders such as Rifkin,
Ball,
> Bathory, Fish etc.  My research is based upon finding fantasy
elements, but
> it must be supported by two or more sources.  Has anyone ever found
a good
> system or developed a good network for obtaining such materials?
Any help
> would be great and MUCH appreciated.  Thanks in advance for any
responses.
>
>
>
>
> Bryan Nelson, M.S.
>
Bryan, sorry, I don't have any sources related to crime scenes, etc.
but I do have the BRACE Character Profiles of several serial killers.
Also, some of Art Silva's publications based on his
neurodevelopmental model could be used to support certain ways that
serial killers think and focus their attention (e.g., Rifkin,
Dahmer). Would it be of any use for you to develop a series of Yes-No-
Maybe questions about serial killers' fantasy activities that could
be answered based on the profiles of one or both of these models?

Russell

--- In deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com, "Bryan Nelson" <bnelson@...>
wrote:
>
> I am willing to do pro-bono and have done so thus far.  I am
actually in the
> process of getting a non-profit status and will be doing some
marketing that
> way.  Once I get that done, I will be putting something on the site
about my
> training, experience, casework etc. and actually creating a
separate site
> just for that.  If you are interested, perhaps we could discuss
> collaborating on some casework.  I would do so just for the
experience and
> learning the BRACE material on a practical basis.
>
>
>
>
> Bryan Nelson, M.S.
>
> P.O. Box 414
>
> Davis, CA 95617
>
> (530) 574-8023
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Russell
> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 7:20 PM
> To: deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [deviantcrimes] Re: Casework
>
>
>
> --- In deviantcrimes@ <mailto:deviantcrimes%40yahoogroups.com>
> yahoogroups.com, "Bryan Nelson" <bnelson@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone have ideas about getting started on casework? I have
> done some
> > work consulting on a few cases, but would really like to increase
my
> > networking possibilities and working on some cold cases. It has
> been tough
> > since the move to California since I really do not know anyone
and
> have to
> > start over in gathering contacts, meeting with people etc. I am
> looking for
> > ideas on marketing. Has anyone done casework? If so, how did you
> make the
> > contact?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Bryan Nelson, M.S.
> >
> > P.O. Box 414
> >
> > Davis, CA 95617
> >
> > (530) 574-8023
> >
>
> Almost all of my case work has been pro bono ... victims and LE. Of
> course, it has been related to the BRACE Character Profile and
people
> have contacted me. I plan to get more serious about making money
> rather than spending money consulting. Right now I am still taking
> care of my MIL and my "work" is too unpredictable. I would suggest
> that you add a section to your website to describe the types of
> casework that you are available to do. One thing you could add to
the
> types of casework that you do is using the BRACE Character Profile.
I
> would be happy to provide you with the necessary programs and
consult
> with you pro bono until you get more familiar with it. I suggest
> contacting the professions in the criminal justice and mental
health
> fields who would be interested in knowing the cognitive-behavioral-
> existential characteristics of known individuals (suspects,
> witnesses, future in-laws, batterers, etc.).
> Russell
>


Collaborating sounds like a good idea to me. Maybe your new website
could have some innovative ways for people to use the BRACE Character
Profile online.
Russell

--- In deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com, "joe" <excalibur321112@...> wrote:
>
> --- In deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com, "seolgongchan"
> <seolgongchan@> wrote:
> >
> > Cleveland Torso Murders-- no one has ever solved them before. But I
> do
> > believe that it is not done by one-- it could be a multi-faceted
> > murder spree. I don't see any connection with Flor Polillo and Edward
> > Andrassy , and I believe that killers of the succeeding victims might
> > have taken advantage of the form done on the first two victims.
> >
> > Any other points?
> >
>
> a few of us are looking into this case, and glad you brought it up.
> i suppose it could be possible. but is it plausible?? the connection i
> see between these two victims:
> 1. both were arrested. andrassy for carrying a concealed weapon, and
> had been picked up several times for intoxification. flo polillo had a
> severe drinking problem and had been arrested for prostitution. (this
> would be difficult at this point in time wheither or not the killer
> knew this about them or not. my guess would be no.)
>
> 2. they were associated with people at the buttom of the social barrel
> so to speak and/or people of ill repute. the poor, prostitutes pimps,
> drug dealers etc. etc..
>
> plus i have seen a few of the crime photos related to this case, all
> the dismemberments and beheadings suggested that this was done by
> someone who was every experienced with a large knife, i.e. butcher, or
> hunter.  which would make it unlikely that there was someone copying
> the crimes.
>

do you have any photos of the case? please don't give me the tattooed
man photo. it scares me out of my skin

--- In deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com, "Bryan Nelson" <bnelson@...>
wrote:
>
> Does anyone have ideas about getting started on casework?  I have
done some
> work consulting on a few cases, but would really like to increase my
> networking possibilities and working on some cold cases.  It has
been tough
> since the move to California since I really do not know anyone and
have to
> start over in gathering contacts, meeting with people etc.  I am
looking for
> ideas on marketing.  Has anyone done casework?   If so, how did you
make the
> contact?
>
>
>
>
> Bryan Nelson, M.S.
>
> P.O. Box 414
>
> Davis, CA 95617
>
> (530) 574-8023
>


Almost all of my case work has been pro bono ... victims and LE. Of
course, it has been related to the BRACE Character Profile and people
have contacted me. I plan to get more serious about making money
rather than spending money consulting. Right now I am still taking
care of my MIL and my "work" is too unpredictable. I would suggest
that you add a section to your website to describe the types of
casework that you are available to do. One thing you could add to the
types of casework that you do is using the BRACE Character Profile. I
would be happy to provide you with the necessary programs and consult
with you pro bono until you get more familiar with it. I suggest
contacting the professions in the criminal justice and mental health
fields who would be interested in knowing the cognitive-behavioral-
existential characteristics of known individuals (suspects,
witnesses, future in-laws, batterers, etc.).
Russell

--- In deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com, "joe" <excalibur321112@...> wrote:
>
> i have one of those russell, though i dont contribute to it much. as
> far as converting to jpeg. a good way would to go to www.serif.com
> its sorta like a photoshop program,and it will allow you to convert
> pretty much any format to jpeg. i use this program to improve my own
> photos, and done some pretty cool stuff with it as far as the cloning
> aspects of it. (did a pic of my looking like a centaur lol. i know
> more info than needed. lol.) i didnt pay anything for it.
>

Thank you!
I'm going to take a look at it now.
Russell

i have one of those russell, though i dont contribute to it much. as
far as converting to jpeg. a good way would to go to www.serif.com
its sorta like a photoshop program,and it will allow you to convert
pretty much any format to jpeg. i use this program to improve my own
photos, and done some pretty cool stuff with it as far as the cloning
aspects of it. (did a pic of my looking like a centaur lol. i know
more info than needed. lol.) i didnt pay anything for it.

I just discovered Yahoo 360. What I am thinking about is creating a
Yahoo 360 page that could be used to upload the graphics, etc. for a
BRACE Character Profile of interest --- perhaps one on an UNSUB as we
did with BTK. If I am reading the instructions correctly, I think all
graphics and photos have to be jpeg. What is an easy way to convert
Excel graphics and charts to jpeg?

Perhaps there are other ways for this group to use Yahoo 360. You can
set up a page that only designated "friends" can access. We could
certainly have a Yahoo 360 linked to this group.

Russell

not yet. i've been meaning to get out to the bookstore, but with the
cold weather we've had, and being without personal transport, and
having a strong disliking of cold weather (lol) i havent had a
chance. but i do mean to get out, hopefully this week, and see if i
cant locate a copy. i'd order it offline, but im a bit parnoid about
ordering anything online.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of joe
> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 9:35 AM
> To: deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [deviantcrimes] Re: Yikes...
>
>
>
> --- In deviantcrimes@ <mailto:deviantcrimes%40yahoogroups.com>
> yahoogroups.com, "seolgongchan"
> <seolgongchan@> wrote:
> >
> > Cleveland Torso Murders-- no one has ever solved them before.
But I
> do
> > believe that it is not done by one-- it could be a multi-faceted
> > murder spree. I don't see any connection with Flor Polillo and
Edward
> > Andrassy , and I believe that killers of the succeeding victims
might
> > have taken advantage of the form done on the first two victims.
> >
> > Any other points?
> >
>
> a few of us are looking into this case, and glad you brought it
up.
> i suppose it could be possible. but is it plausible?? the
connection i
> see between these two victims:
> 1. both were arrested. andrassy for carrying a concealed weapon,
and
> had been picked up several times for intoxification. flo polillo
had a
> severe drinking problem and had been arrested for prostitution.
(this
> would be difficult at this point in time wheither or not the
killer
> knew this about them or not. my guess would be no.)
>
> 2. they were associated with people at the buttom of the social
barrel
> so to speak and/or people of ill repute. the poor, prostitutes
pimps,
> drug dealers etc. etc..
>
> plus i have seen a few of the crime photos related to this case,
all
> the dismemberments and beheadings suggested that this was done by
> someone who was every experienced with a large knife, i.e.
butcher, or
> hunter. which would make it unlikely that there was someone
copying
> the crimes.
>

--- In deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com, "seolgongchan"
<seolgongchan@...> wrote:
>
> Cleveland Torso Murders-- no one has ever solved them before. But I
do
> believe that it is not done by one-- it could be a multi-faceted
> murder spree. I don't see any connection with Flor Polillo and Edward
> Andrassy , and I believe that killers of the succeeding victims might
> have taken advantage of the form done on the first two victims.
>
> Any other points?
>

a few of us are looking into this case, and glad you brought it up.
i suppose it could be possible. but is it plausible?? the connection i
see between these two victims:
1. both were arrested. andrassy for carrying a concealed weapon, and
had been picked up several times for intoxification. flo polillo had a
severe drinking problem and had been arrested for prostitution. (this
would be difficult at this point in time wheither or not the killer
knew this about them or not. my guess would be no.)

2. they were associated with people at the buttom of the social barrel
so to speak and/or people of ill repute. the poor, prostitutes pimps,
drug dealers etc. etc..

plus i have seen a few of the crime photos related to this case, all
the dismemberments and beheadings suggested that this was done by
someone who was every experienced with a large knife, i.e. butcher, or
hunter.  which would make it unlikely that there was someone copying
the crimes.

Cleveland Torso Murders-- no one has ever solved them before. But I do
believe that it is not done by one-- it could be a multi-faceted
murder spree. I don't see any connection with Flor Polillo and Edward
Andrassy , and I believe that killers of the succeeding victims might
have taken advantage of the form done on the first two victims.

Any other points?

--- In deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com, "Bryan Nelson" <bnelson@...>
wrote:
>
> I'm glad this seems to be working.  I am actually responding
through email,
> which is a feature I really appreciate.  Send any information that
you want
> to post.  I will be posting to both the site and here in some
instances.  I
> looked into a chat room last night and was going to do a poll on
it.  I
> suppose I can make it anyway and if people use it they do, if they
don't
> they don't.
>
>
>
  i remember us having the chat with the serialkiller.net (ahh those
are some fond memories when i didnt know squat lol) and the one site
you and amy had, and it seemed a very useful tool.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of joe
> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 6:33 AM
> To: deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [deviantcrimes] Re: Welcome
>
>
>
> --- In deviantcrimes@ <mailto:deviantcrimes%40yahoogroups.com>
> yahoogroups.com, "Bryan Nelson" <bnelson@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello all,
> > Welcome to the discussion list. I am looking forward to
interacting
> > and learning with everyone.
> > Bryan
> >
> thanks for the invite bryan. this newsgroup will definitely
complement
> the website. (which i hope will still be online.) maybe we can do
some
> chatroom discussions in the furture, now that we're on yahoo.
>

Please tell your friends about this.  Since I get to approve all
members, there should be no spammers, or will be easy to boot anyway
(they are very resourceful).  I would like to get a larger network of
folks sharing at this location than the previous board.
Bryan

--- In deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com, "Bryan Nelson" <bnelson@...>
wrote:
>
> Hello all,
> Welcome to the discussion list.  I am looking forward to interacting
> and learning with everyone.
> Bryan
>
thanks for the invite bryan. this newsgroup will definitely complement
the website. (which i hope will still be online.) maybe we can do some
chatroom discussions in the furture, now that we're on yahoo.

--- In deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com, "Bryan Nelson" <bnelson@...>
wrote:
>
> Hello all,
> Welcome to the discussion list.  I am looking forward to interacting
> and learning with everyone.
> Bryan
>

Hi Bryan,
Thank you for the invitation. I am looking forward to the new feature
and discovering new ways to use the internet for learning and problem-
solving. The photos feature certainly has some possibilities when it
comes to pictures, graphics and charts.

Russell

Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the
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Hello all,
Welcome to the discussion list.  I am looking forward to interacting
and learning with everyone.
Bryan