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Hello,

I am writing from a German NGO that works in a forest resort of
Juniperus Trees in Northern Somaliland. We are looking for trainin
possibilities mainly for our Somali staff but also for local ministry
staff in Ethiopia. Does any of you know any possiblities for short term
training courses (4-6 weeks) over there?

reg.

Daniel Bronkal

Hello,

I am writing from a German NGO that works in a forest resort of
Juniperus Trees in Northern Somaliland. We are looking for trainin
possibilities mainly for our Somali staff but also for local ministry
staff in Ethiopia. Does any of you know any possiblities for short term
training courses (4-6 weeks) over there?

reg.

Daniel Bronkal

Hello,

I am writing from a German NGO that works in a forest resort of
Juniperus Trees in Northern Somaliland. We are looking for trainin
possibilities mainly for our Somali staff but also for local ministry
staff in Ethiopia. Does any of you know any possiblities for short term
training courses (4-6 weeks) over there?

reg.

Daniel Bronkal

Dear group members

I am currently M.Sc student in Japan. My specialization is Communal
Resource Management. I am very happy to be a member of this group and
also like to gratitude Ms Arsema for her unreserved contribution in
most aspects related with PFM.Actually much of my experiance in this
area is theoretical. For the same reason i have a lot of question in
my mined which i hope through time will share with you.

With best regards,

Dear group members


I am currently M.Sc student in Japan. My specialization is Communal
Resource Management. I am very happy to be a member of this group and
also like to gratitude Ms Arsema for her unreserved contribution in
most aspects related with PFM.Actually much of my experiance in this
area is theoretical. For the same reason i have a lot of question in
my mined which i hope through time will share with you.


With best regards,

  Dear colleagues
       Realy Iam happy to join the discussion group,Iam ranger by
backgroun but I think we can enrich our knowledge throuh sharing
information concerning NRM IN broad sence.
        Looking to recive a response from you,good luck and best
regards.
Faisal
SOS Sahel/Sudan
Noth Kordofan

Dear colleagues
        Realy Iam happy to join the discussion group,Iam ranger by
backgroun but I think we can enrich our knowledge throuh sharing
information concerning NRM IN broad sence.
         Looking to recive a response from you,good luck and best
regards.
Faisal
SOS Sahel/Sudan
Noth Kordofan

Hello Everyone.

It is great that Arsema initiated this thing again. I think I am now
able to take part in these discussions and hope to contribute.

To start with, I think the first two are very much related to each
other and are about equity.  – The first is about some community
members being marginalised and how to deal with it. And the other is
about Social justness, Positive and negative implications on
facilitating PFM process.
For me, as ease of discussion it is good if we merge it and discuss
on equity. That is, equity between user-group members, equity between
user-groups, equity between generations, equity between those who are
in and out. Please Mesfin and Olani?? comment on it if I am correct,
I thought I have understood the issues.

The third point is a stand alone issue of right sizing, tools
necessary for PFM, our views of the process, the essence of our
process, government employee's view and  capacity, community time and
benefits etc..

The fourth one, to my view, is also a stand alone and is about
positive elements of PFM beyond forest management.

So I suggest that we discuss on these three issues.

To be effective in our discussion, I think we have to discuss on one
topic at a time so that we can summarise our discussion and that
would lead us to deepen our understanding and then it will reflect on
our project activity.

So on concluding, It came to my mind that next week or so there is a
workshop to be organised by PFMP and Ethiopian Foresters Association
and might also include Oromia forestry department. The W/s is about
to discuss on Ethiopian Forest Policy with specific reference to PFM.
So -What do you think if people look in this issue the coming couple
of days before the work shop starts. I think Tsegaye Tadess is
compiling comments for discussion. I feel this is an urgent issue and
we all practitioners should take part.
I am suggesting getting to our discussions after we finished with the
Policy issue and ofcourse we can come to it again to discuss after we
finished with the first three topics suggested earlier.

Many thanks all of you and inparticular Arsema for reminding us all.

Zelalem

--- In discusspfm@yahoogroups.com, Olani Edessa <olaniwolteji@y...>
wrote:
>Happy X-Mass to all,

>
> Hello dear friends,
> I want to start my contribution by citing some misleading prahses
that may confuse us. The issue of "the we/you and community" should
be recognised from the very nature of the outsiders/strangers and
insiders/privy to the locality/subject matter. Hence in PFM the role
should be overtly stated that supporters/facilitators and
implementers/owners respectively.

Once we make this clear distinction, we realise to confirm that we
are not the decisive party. Hence to come to the issue raised "while
working with the community towards particpatory forest managment
system establishement on a certain forest we must explore a package
of chioces from where the community will opt for their best bet.

In fact in some cases "forest carrying capacity" for certain product
or use may appear a limiting factor to benefit all. Cuation needs to
be taken from "comprehending carrying capacity" as conventional
forestry did in the past. In this respect good understanding of both
the forest in request and best practices else where makes sensible
advises possible.

Here I want to draw the attention of all readers that especially
when we think of natural forests and their traditional users there
must be borne in mind that there will be multiplicity. Meaning that
multiple products and services and multiple users varying on the
level of dependence and type,amount, frequency of product and
service use. Thence what does "resource capacity" in its very nature
mean? From this we can categorise the forest according its services
and the users level of dependense. Marginalisation? may mean
different with respect to what it refers. Marginalising from some
product or marginalising some category. For me it seems that Olani
refers the later. If so we need to sit and think more. Becuase its
very nature drive us into complex questions that has legal, social,
moral, psycological, political and economical implications.
Concurrently the potential partners to answer.

To start with some brainstorming let us assume two approaches that
you may follow:

- You identified TRADITIONAL USERS of a certain forest. In this
sense you need to work more on two things. Use PRA tool particularly
trend analysis and Wealth Ranking. This will give you clue about who
is who and who uses/has what. And conflict matrix that analysis
behaviour and goal. The central role you always take care is ensuing
inclusion and proactive discussion-Observation and facilitation
skill is very essential for success.

- You sponsored new FUG. This type of condition often happen where
government representatives presence is highly visible and
influential. Here technical inputs on enhancing forest capacity and
condition and providing related alternatives become first class
option.

If you followed the first approach to get answer to your question as
your intervention how it found "TRADTIONAL USERS" and the
according "TRADITIONAL USUFRUCT ARRANGEMENT". What are the
fundamental bases that give rise to recognition of right claim? What
gaps do you see? and What reflex do the disadvantaged group show? I
hope answers for the above questions might give entry for your
facilitation to possibly avoid What you called "MARGINALIZATION".

If your route was the second approach I tell you that the stick is
within your hand. Hence you try to look into the level/compromise,
if you like, between social justness, economic viability and
ecological soundness you set aside. Ask yourself WHICH ONE AM I
FAVORING MORE? OR BALANCED? If so what rationale did you use? For
productive forest, for example, if you are worried much about
ecology than others you need to have good reasoning for the very
suspicioun I have that may come true in the expense of social
justness.

My friend, as you pointed out PFM is not a blue print. However, it
shares common ground: partnership, social justness, economic
incentives, institutionalization, ecological soundness, etc. This
implies that it is a process of creating COMPATIBLE
INTEREST/BEHAVIOUR WITHIN POSSIBLY DIFFERING GOALS. How do you react
to the above issues? Next time if you are interested I will go
further with the challenges of the above issues in practice.

Cheereeoo
Mesfin


>
>
> i am working on PFM development program in Ethiopia. I know PFM is
not blue print to coppy it to other forest conservation areas. But i
want to raise is when you organize the community on certain forest
blocks or patches you will confine or base on the resource capacity.
As you take this measure the community which were the member of the
usfract user will be marginalized. Including this community will be
automatically adding more pressure on the frorest resources.
>
> I therefore want here from you since you are the member and might
have an ideas of solving such problems.
>
> Good regards,
>
>
>
> Olani Edessa
>
>
> PFMP <cfwcp@e...> wrote:Mite and Olani,
> Hi, this is to tell you that your are registered in the discussion
group
> but the message you said you have sent is not posted. So make sure
that you
> use this address. Please resend the message you sent before as no
one seems
> to have got it.
>
> Thanks,
> Arsema
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Yahoo! for Good
>  Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.
>

--- In discusspfm@yahoogroups.com, Olani Edessa <olaniwolteji@y...>
wrote:
>Happy X-Mass to all,

>
> Hello dear friends,
> I want to start my contribution by citing some misleading prahses
that may confuse us. The issue of "the we/you and community" should
be recognised from the very nature of the outsiders/strangers and
insiders/privy to the locality/subject matter. Hence in PFM the role
should be overtly stated that supporters/facilitators and
implementers/owners respectively.

Once we make this clear distinction, we realise to confirm that we
are not the decisive party. Hence to come to the issue raised "while
working with the community towards particpatory forest managment
system establishement on a certain forest we must explore a package
of chioces from where the community will opt for their best bet.

In fact in some cases "forest carrying capacity" for certain product
or use may appear a limiting factor to benefit all. Cuation needs to
be taken from "comprehending carrying capacity" as conventional
forestry did in the past. In this respect good understanding of both
the forest in request and best practices else where makes sensible
advises possible.

Here I want to draw the attention of all readers that especially
when we think of natural forests and their traditional users there
must be borne in mind that there will be multiplicity. Meaning that
multiple products and services and multiple users varying on the
level of dependence and type,amount, frequency of product and
service use. Thence what does "resource capacity" in its very nature
mean? From this we can categorise the forest according its services
and the users level of dependense. Marginalisation? may mean
different with respect to what it refers. Marginalising from some
product or marginalising some category. For me it seems that Olani
refers the later. If so we need to sit and think more. Becuase its
very nature drive us into complex questions that has legal, social,
moral, psycological, political and economical implications.
Concurrently the potential partners to answer.

To start with some brainstorming let us assume two approaches that
you may follow:

- You identified TRADITIONAL USERS of a certain forest. In this
sense you need to work more on two things. Use PRA tool particularly
trend analysis and Wealth Ranking. This will give you clue about who
is who and who uses/has what. And conflict matrix that analysis
behaviour and goal. The central role you always take care is ensuing
inclusion and proactive discussion-Observation and facilitation
skill is very essential for success.

- You sponsored new FUG. This type of condition often happen where
government representatives presence is highly visible and
influential. Here technical inputs on enhancing forest capacity and
condition and providing related alternatives become first class
option.

If you followed the first approach to get answer to your question as
your intervention how it found "TRADTIONAL USERS" and the
according "TRADITIONAL USUFRUCT ARRANGEMENT". What are the
fundamental bases that give rise to recognition of right claim? What
gaps do you see? and What reflex do the disadvantaged group show? I
hope answers for the above questions might give entry for your
facilitation to possibly avoid What you called "MARGINALIZATION".

If your route was the second approach I tell you that the stick is
within your hand. Hence you try to look into the level/compromise,
if you like, between social justness, economic viability and
ecological soundness you set aside. Ask yourself WHICH ONE AM I
FAVORING MORE? OR BALANCED? If so what rationale did you use? For
productive forest, for example, if you are worried much about
ecology than others you need to have good reasoning for the very
suspicioun I have that may come true in the expense of social
justness.

My friend, as you pointed out PFM is not a blue print. However, it
shares common ground: partnership, social justness, economic
incentives, institutionalization, ecological soundness, etc. This
implies that it is a process of creating COMPATIBLE
INTEREST/BEHAVIOUR WITHIN POSSIBLY DIFFERING GOALS. How do you react
to the above issues? Next time if you are interested I will go
further with the challenges of the above issues in practice.

Cheereeoo
Mesfin


>
>
> i am working on PFM development program in Ethiopia. I know PFM is
not blue print to coppy it to other forest conservation areas. But i
want to raise is when you organize the community on certain forest
blocks or patches you will confine or base on the resource capacity.
As you take this measure the community which were the member of the
usfract user will be marginalized. Including this community will be
automatically adding more pressure on the frorest resources.
>
> I therefore want here from you since you are the member and might
have an ideas of solving such problems.
>
> Good regards,
>
>
>
> Olani Edessa
>
>
> PFMP <cfwcp@e...> wrote:Mite and Olani,
> Hi, this is to tell you that your are registered in the discussion
group
> but the message you said you have sent is not posted. So make sure
that you
> use this address. Please resend the message you sent before as no
one seems
> to have got it.
>
> Thanks,
> Arsema
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Yahoo! for Good
>  Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.
>

--- In discusspfm@yahoogroups.com, Olani Edessa <olaniwolteji@y...>
wrote:
>Happy X-Mass to all,

>
> Hello dear friends,
> I want to start my contribution by citing some misleading prahses
that may confuse us. The issue of "the we/you and community" should
be recognised from the very nature of the outsiders/strangers and
insiders/privy to the locality/subject matter. Hence in PFM the role
should be overtly stated that supporters/facilitators and
implementers/owners respectively.

Once we make this clear distinction, we realise to confirm that we
are not the decisive party. Hence to come to the issue raised "while
working with the community towards particpatory forest managment
system establishement on a certain forest we must explore a package
of chioces from where the community will opt for their best bet.

In fact in some cases "forest carrying capacity" for certain product
or use may appear a limiting factor to benefit all. Cuation needs to
be taken from "comprehending carrying capacity" as conventional
forestry did in the past. In this respect good understanding of both
the forest in request and best practices else where makes sensible
advises possible.

Here I want to draw the attention of all readers that especially
when we think of natural forests and their traditional users there
must be borne in mind that there will be multiplicity. Meaning that
multiple products and services and multiple users varying on the
level of dependence and type,amount, frequency of product and
service use. Thence what does "resource capacity" in its very nature
mean? From this we can categorise the forest according its services
and the users level of dependense. Marginalisation? may mean
different with respect to what it refers. Marginalising from some
product or marginalising some category. For me it seems that Olani
refers the later. If so we need to sit and think more. Becuase its
very nature drive us into complex questions that has legal, social,
moral, psycological, political and economical implications.
Concurrently the potential partners to answer.

To start with some brainstorming let us assume two approaches that
you may follow:

- You identified TRADITIONAL USERS of a certain forest. In this
sense you need to work more on two things. Use PRA tool particularly
trend analysis and Wealth Ranking. This will give you clue about who
is who and who uses/has what. And conflict matrix that analysis
behaviour and goal. The central role you always take care is ensuing
inclusion and proactive discussion-Observation and facilitation
skill is very essential for success.

- You sponsored new FUG. This type of condition often happen where
government representatives presence is highly visible and
influential. Here technical inputs on enhancing forest capacity and
condition and providing related alternatives become first class
option.

If you followed the first approach to get answer to your question as
your intervention how it found "TRADTIONAL USERS" and the
according "TRADITIONAL USUFRUCT ARRANGEMENT". What are the
fundamental bases that give rise to recognition of right claim? What
gaps do you see? and What reflex do the disadvantaged group show? I
hope answers for the above questions might give entry for your
facilitation to possibly avoid What you called "MARGINALIZATION".

If your route was the second approach I tell you that the stick is
within your hand. Hence you try to look into the level/compromise,
if you like, between social justness, economic viability and
ecological soundness you set aside. Ask yourself WHICH ONE AM I
FAVORING MORE? OR BALANCED? If so what rationale did you use? For
productive forest, for example, if you are worried much about
ecology than others you need to have good reasoning for the very
suspicioun I have that may come true in the expense of social
justness.

My friend, as you pointed out PFM is not a blue print. However, it
shares common ground: partnership, social justness, economic
incentives, institutionalization, ecological soundness, etc. This
implies that it is a process of creating COMPATIBLE
INTEREST/BEHAVIOUR WITHIN POSSIBLY DIFFERING GOALS. How do you react
to the above issues? Next time if you are interested I will go
further with the challenges of the above issues in practice.

Cheereeoo
Mesfin


>
>
> i am working on PFM development program in Ethiopia. I know PFM is
not blue print to coppy it to other forest conservation areas. But i
want to raise is when you organize the community on certain forest
blocks or patches you will confine or base on the resource capacity.
As you take this measure the community which were the member of the
usfract user will be marginalized. Including this community will be
automatically adding more pressure on the frorest resources.
>
> I therefore want here from you since you are the member and might
have an ideas of solving such problems.
>
> Good regards,
>
>
>
> Olani Edessa
>
>
> PFMP <cfwcp@e...> wrote:Mite and Olani,
> Hi, this is to tell you that your are registered in the discussion
group
> but the message you said you have sent is not posted. So make sure
that you
> use this address. Please resend the message you sent before as no
one seems
> to have got it.
>
> Thanks,
> Arsema
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Yahoo! for Good
>  Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.
>

--- In discusspfm@yahoogroups.com, Olani Edessa <olaniwolteji@y...>
wrote:
>Happy X-Mass to all,

>
> Hello dear friends,
> I want to start my contribution by citing some misleading prahses
that may confuse us. The issue of "the we/you and community" should
be recognised from the very nature of the outsiders/strangers and
insiders/privy to the locality/subject matter. Hence in PFM the role
should be overtly stated that supporters/facilitators and
implementers/owners respectively.

Once we make this clear distinction, we realise to confirm that we
are not the decisive party. Hence to come to the issue raised "while
working with the community towards particpatory forest managment
system establishement on a certain forest we must explore a package
of chioces from where the community will opt for their best bet.

In fact in some cases "forest carrying capacity" for certain product
or use may appear a limiting factor to benefit all. Cuation needs to
be taken from "comprehending carrying capacity" as conventional
forestry did in the past. In this respect good understanding of both
the forest in request and best practices else where makes sensible
advises possible.

Here I want to draw the attention of all readers that especially
when we think of natural forests and their traditional users there
must be borne in mind that there will be multiplicity. Meaning that
multiple products and services and multiple users varying on the
level of dependence and type,amount, frequency of product and
service use. Thence what does "resource capacity" in its very nature
mean? From this we can categorise the forest according its services
and the users level of dependense. Marginalisation? may mean
different with respect to what it refers. Marginalising from some
product or marginalising some category. For me it seems that Olani
refers the later. If so we need to sit and think more. Becuase its
very nature drive us into complex questions that has legal, social,
moral, psycological, political and economical implications.
Concurrently the potential partners to answer.

To start with some brainstorming let us assume two approaches that
you may follow:

- You identified TRADITIONAL USERS of a certain forest. In this
sense you need to work more on two things. Use PRA tool particularly
trend analysis and Wealth Ranking. This will give you clue about who
is who and who uses/has what. And conflict matrix that analysis
behaviour and goal. The central role you always take care is ensuing
inclusion and proactive discussion-Observation and facilitation
skill is very essential for success.

- You sponsored new FUG. This type of condition often happen where
government representatives presence is highly visible and
influential. Here technical inputs on enhancing forest capacity and
condition and providing related alternatives become first class
option.

If you followed the first approach to get answer to your question as
your intervention how it found "TRADTIONAL USERS" and the
according "TRADITIONAL USUFRUCT ARRANGEMENT". What are the
fundamental bases that give rise to recognition of right claim? What
gaps do you see? and What reflex do the disadvantaged group show? I
hope answers for the above questions might give entry for your
facilitation to possibly avoid What you called "MARGINALIZATION".

If your route was the second approach I tell you that the stick is
within your hand. Hence you try to look into the level/compromise,
if you like, between social justness, economic viability and
ecological soundness you set aside. Ask yourself WHICH ONE AM I
FAVORING MORE? OR BALANCED? If so what rationale did you use? For
productive forest, for example, if you are worried much about
ecology than others you need to have good reasoning for the very
suspicioun I have that may come true in the expense of social
justness.

My friend, as you pointed out PFM is not a blue print. However, it
shares common ground: partnership, social justness, economic
incentives, institutionalization, ecological soundness, etc. This
implies that it is a process of creating COMPATIBLE
INTEREST/BEHAVIOUR WITHIN POSSIBLY DIFFERING GOALS. How do you react
to the above issues? Next time if you are interested I will go
further with the challenges of the above issues in practice.

Cheereeoo
Mesfin


>
>
> i am working on PFM development program in Ethiopia. I know PFM is
not blue print to coppy it to other forest conservation areas. But i
want to raise is when you organize the community on certain forest
blocks or patches you will confine or base on the resource capacity.
As you take this measure the community which were the member of the
usfract user will be marginalized. Including this community will be
automatically adding more pressure on the frorest resources.
>
> I therefore want here from you since you are the member and might
have an ideas of solving such problems.
>
> Good regards,
>
>
>
> Olani Edessa
>
>
> PFMP <cfwcp@e...> wrote:Mite and Olani,
> Hi, this is to tell you that your are registered in the discussion
group
> but the message you said you have sent is not posted. So make sure
that you
> use this address. Please resend the message you sent before as no
one seems
> to have got it.
>
> Thanks,
> Arsema
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Yahoo! for Good
>  Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.
>

--- In discusspfm@yahoogroups.com, Olani Edessa <olaniwolteji@y...>
wrote:
>Happy X-Mass to all,

>
> Hello dear friends,
> I want to start my contribution by citing some misleading prahses
that may confuse us. The issue of "the we/you and community" should
be recognised from the very nature of the outsiders/strangers and
insiders/privy to the locality/subject matter. Hence in PFM the role
should be overtly stated that supporters/facilitators and
implementers/owners respectively.

Once we make this clear distinction, we realise to confirm that we
are not the decisive party. Hence to come to the issue raised "while
working with the community towards particpatory forest managment
system establishement on a certain forest we must explore a package
of chioces from where the community will opt for their best bet.

In fact in some cases "forest carrying capacity" for certain product
or use may appear a limiting factor to benefit all. Cuation needs to
be taken from "comprehending carrying capacity" as conventional
forestry did in the past. In this respect good understanding of both
the forest in request and best practices else where makes sensible
advises possible.

Here I want to draw the attention of all readers that especially
when we think of natural forests and their traditional users there
must be borne in mind that there will be multiplicity. Meaning that
multiple products and services and multiple users varying on the
level of dependence and type,amount, frequency of product and
service use. Thence what does "resource capacity" in its very nature
mean? From this we can categorise the forest according its services
and the users level of dependense. Marginalisation? may mean
different with respect to what it refers. Marginalising from some
product or marginalising some category. For me it seems that Olani
refers the later. If so we need to sit and think more. Becuase its
very nature drive us into complex questions that has legal, social,
moral, psycological, political and economical implications.
Concurrently the potential partners to answer.

To start with some brainstorming let us assume two approaches that
you may follow:

- You identified TRADITIONAL USERS of a certain forest. In this
sense you need to work more on two things. Use PRA tool particularly
trend analysis and Wealth Ranking. This will give you clue about who
is who and who uses/has what. And conflict matrix that analysis
behaviour and goal. The central role you always take care is ensuing
inclusion and proactive discussion-Observation and facilitation
skill is very essential for success.

- You sponsored new FUG. This type of condition often happen where
government representatives presence is highly visible and
influential. Here technical inputs on enhancing forest capacity and
condition and providing related alternatives become first class
option.

If you followed the first approach to get answer to your question as
your intervention how it found "TRADTIONAL USERS" and the
according "TRADITIONAL USUFRUCT ARRANGEMENT". What are the
fundamental bases that give rise to recognition of right claim? What
gaps do you see? and What reflex do the disadvantaged group show? I
hope answers for the above questions might give entry for your
facilitation to possibly avoid What you called "MARGINALIZATION".

If your route was the second approach I tell you that the stick is
within your hand. Hence you try to look into the level/compromise,
if you like, between social justness, economic viability and
ecological soundness you set aside. Ask yourself WHICH ONE AM I
FAVORING MORE? OR BALANCED? If so what rationale did you use? For
productive forest, for example, if you are worried much about
ecology than others you need to have good reasoning for the very
suspicioun I have that may come true in the expense of social
justness.

My friend, as you pointed out PFM is not a blue print. However, it
shares common ground: partnership, social justness, economic
incentives, institutionalization, ecological soundness, etc. This
implies that it is a process of creating COMPATIBLE
INTEREST/BEHAVIOUR WITHIN POSSIBLY DIFFERING GOALS. How do you react
to the above issues? Next time if you are interested I will go
further with the challenges of the above issues in practice.

Cheereeoo
Mesfin


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> i am working on PFM development program in Ethiopia. I know PFM is
not blue print to coppy it to other forest conservation areas. But i
want to raise is when you organize the community on certain forest
blocks or patches you will confine or base on the resource capacity.
As you take this measure the community which were the member of the
usfract user will be marginalized. Including this community will be
automatically adding more pressure on the frorest resources.
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have an ideas of solving such problems.
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Dear all, Participatory Forest Managment has issues of Participation
and Managment. In my belief, it is "a managed use" from the rural
people view and concurrently it is "conservation agreement" from the
government side. Projects working on PFM hence I suppose are concerned
with both bringing good managment practice for the optimum use of the
community and minimum ecological disturbance to satisfy conservation
agreement with the government.

What is our pragmatic expereinces captured and our field level
observations. Some of us become impressed by our capacity of
expercising PRA tools and others incline to please officials by
introducing conventional controlling mechanisms- by what we
call "technical jargon inclusion".

Now I want to draw the attention of readers to discuss on the weighted
value given to planning process, signing agreements, developing
monitoring and evaluation tools and engaging into implementation. Let
us discuss our experiences, feelings and views.

Dear all,

Have you come across unanticipated/spillover effects of PFM
intervention strategy? As you know, PFM is a means/ approaches for
sustainable forest resources conservation. The approach harness
various technicalities, tools and methodologies to develop and
implement forest management system based on actual context and
reality. Thus, would you share your experience on unexpected issues
that could be helpful for future PFM strategic development during the
implementation?

Thank you,

Ziyenu Lemma

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>Hi Oliani

As part of PFM planning process for all encountered issues, various
mitigation measures have to be applied and implemented in order to
sustain the approach and reduce pressures. In my suggesion there are
rooms for doing this. First if you are sure the caryying capacity of
the forest beyond the hosting level, ther should be some
complementary forest development activities for execluded grous.
Second there should be discussion on  the fate of forest with local
community including the would be execluded groups for reamedies and
solutions, this could be getway for further strategies. Third there
shoud be lawenforcement and adminstrative support on illegal doers,
who could be beyond the organized FUGs control. By and large,as you
saide no readymade for for doing this, so local contex and extent of
pressure and conflict will determine the situations to act up on.

Thanks

Ziyenu

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> i am working on PFM development program in Ethiopia. I know PFM is
not blue print to coppy it to other forest conservation areas. But i
want to raise is when you organize the community on certain forest
blocks or patches you will confine or base on the resource capacity.
As you take this measure the community which were the member of the
usfract user will be marginalized. Including this community will be
automatically adding more pressure on the frorest resources.
>
> I therefore want here from you since you are the member and might
have an ideas of solving such problems.
>
> Good regards,
>
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>
> Olani Edessa
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Hello dear friends,

 

i am working on PFM development program in Ethiopia. I know PFM is not blue print to coppy it to other forest conservation areas. But i want to raise is when you organize the community on certain forest blocks or patches you will confine or base on the resource capacity. As you take this measure the community which were the member of the usfract user will be marginalized. Including this community will be automatically adding more pressure on the frorest resources.

I therefore want here from you since you are the member and might have an ideas of solving such problems.

Good regards,

 

Olani Edessa


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