djug-discuss : Message: RE: [djug-discuss] Which is better

When you are not programming in an ivory tower, you need to consider what everyone else in the organization is using. Why? Continuity, support, and consistency. If your organization has built their apps around LAMP, then you should do so as well. Think about it. What happens when you are on vacation and code maintenance is required? Who is going to do emergency code changes if you are the only one using the language? What if you change positions or jobs? Who are you going to hand development off to if no one else can understand your code? How about development and documentation standards? Different languages are well, different. Your code, comments, build scripts, etc. may be organized differently for PHP than for Java. What about testing/QA? If your organization has purchased testing tools and developed standards around PHP...will they(the testing group ) be able to adequately test your code before it goes into production?

While you should be free to try different technologies in order to evaluate them, don't shoot yourself ( or your company ) in the foot by being a loose cannon by doing things differently than everyone else. If you really want to use Java, perhaps you should use it to prototype a solution as a way to introduce it into your company's environment.

Notice how I avoided the argument about which language is better. There is not a global answer for that one. Its whatever fits your and your employer's needs the best at the moment.

Regards,

John A. Gooch, SCJP
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From: djug-discuss@yahoogroups.com [mailto:djug-discuss@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Frederic Jean
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 9:05 AM
To: djug-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [djug-discuss] Which is better - Java or PHP?

It depends :) It depends on the developers involved, the problem that is being solved, how complex the web site or application is going to be. In all fairness, us Java developers tend to use our sledgehammer to do just about anything and look down on those who may have chosen a better tool for a specific job. Even if it was an accident.

Here are some areas where Java does a better job:

Integration between multiple systems.
Tooling is better on the language side for Java.

Java based frameworks tend to promote a better separation of the model, view and controllers. This will vary based on the developers involved. You can have well separated PHP. I have witnessed horribly mangled Java applications.
I do think that PHP (and LAMP in general) has a lower barrier to entry than Java EE. There are a lot less concepts and languages to learn. This makes it attractive to individuals that come from the design side. They just need to add some tags and a little logic in their web page to make it dynamic. Java EE is big and scary. We forgot it because we grew into it.

My recommendation would be for you to try writing a smallish PHP application. This will help you get a taste for the language and the associated frameworks. You may actually like it. And it will make you more marketable.

Fred

oren.livne wrote:

Dear All,

I am a Java web developer and I've been hearing many objections in my
organization to using Java. My
department has been using Apache, PHP and MySQL for a long time.
Personally, I don't know any PHP
and like programming in Java, so I can't tell which is better. I tried
to search the Internet but came up mostly
with articles about why PHP is better than Java, because it's simpler
and scales at least as well. If you think
Java is better, could you kindly give me some arguments to share with
others in my department and maybe
a reference or two to back them up?

Thanks so much in advance,
Oren

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