What are the 2 consoles used in the picture?  Yamaha "something" on the left and
something else familiar looking on the right.  Curiosity is getting to me.

--- In duganusers@yahoogroups.com, "b4cameron" <bcameron@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>  I'll take the blame -- they were used for a great gig: series of executive
training meetings for an international spirits company all over the globe for
the past 3 years - just ended in Dublin, IRE a month ago...
>  Basically a Shure-R HH on every table per 4-6 participants (up to 32
mics/tables-4 full Dugans worth) & the fifth unit allotted for up to
8-participant panel lav's or HH's on stage. One spare unit not shown.  Only
possible way for one engineer & one RF A-2 to handle that many microphones and
as you all know, without a missed syllable or up-cut over the course of a show
week on-site!  Thanks, Dan
>  Also, the level of dialogue interactivity between multiple participants and
stage was not possible using a traditional conferencing system (Brähler, Bosch,
et al) as was originally proposed.  Client was ecstatic w/ both the flexibility
and outcome.  Was a bit of a trial paying attention for a week at a time, but
Dugans made it do-able!
>  PS: Of course they all worked out of the box - digital/fiber I/O w. Yamaha
ADAT cards - only modification was a Jameco 100-240V 50-60Hz 18V wall wart for
each.  And a load of country-specific adapter plugs.  The Illy café, helped too.
>
> Regards, Bruce
>
> --- In duganusers@yahoogroups.com, Dan Dugan <dan@> wrote:
> >
> > Somebody sent me this great photo taken in May of 2007. Was it you?
> >
>

On the left is a Yamaha M7CL and on the right is a DDA CS-8

--- In duganusers@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Cameron <buzzcameron@...> wrote:
>
> I forget, but almost certainly either DM2000/PM-5D (lots of ADAT I/O) on the
> left and Soundcraft something right
>
> Regards, Bruce
> --
> bruce cameron  /  sound diva, inc.
> +1.914.441.0275 buzzcameron@... www.sounddiva.com
>
> / Go green and keep this email on screen. /
>
Denny is correct, it's an M7 (I know, how did I talk you into that?) and a DDA
CS-8. Based on the Illy cup in the photo I'm 99% sure this is that gig we did at
the Madarin for an international accounting a consulting firm, not one of those
for the international sprits firm. I also recall Pete being shocked at the
flatness of his RF analyser when all the mics were shut off.

Cheers,

Bill

Yes Dan, I have to agree.

I find that when mixing panels with numerous participants on lavs, that once the
gains and everything are set, I often am riding the weight controls and maybe
mutes. This is because good speakers don't speak in one continuous monotone
voice, the 20 others on stage are also making some noise on their mics while the
current speaker is speaking, somebody elses's mic falls off, someone else is
getting a drink of water, all in the middle of a bit of dialog that may tend to
get quiet and delicate. Being able to keep a finger on the weight control helps,
and having quick access to mutes too, but then you also have to be able to
restore all that was done when the next speaker chimes in. Software controls
operated via mouse or paged access just don't lend themselves to be nearly as
quick for accurate reacting as a complete set of dedicated controls via control
panels.

--- In duganusers@yahoogroups.com, Dan Dugan <dan@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Colleagues,
>
> In designing the Model D-4, intended to be the Dugan high-end product to
replace both the D-2 and the D-3, we have come up with an important question
that you can help us with.
>
> We plan to make control panel interfaces for iPad for sure and maybe even
iPhone. We are tempted to leave it at that, because such a design could bring
the price down significantly!
>
> The argument for a physical control panel is that an operator can have his or
her fingers on the buttons and eyes on the stage. I may be wrong, but I've
always thought that it is the physical control panel that makes the D-series
worth its high price, rather than the additional features (music system, groups,
etc.).
>
> What do you think?
>
> -Dan
>

Thanks for reaching out for our feedback, Dan!

I would agree that the music system is not the reason we use the D2.
In fact, I've never used the music system :(

If control of the D4 were to be limited to iPad or iPhone, that might be a bit
challenging for those of us that don't have those devices.
So I wonder if it would be possible/practical to include computer (ethernet?)
interface as well as iOS interface?

For what it's worth, I recently did an informal survey of Dugan E users and
found that almost no one actually connects an external control to it. They just
assume it's set at default settings (or reset to them) and go!

Thanks again!

Ken Newman
sndmxr@...
ken.newman@...


--- In duganusers@yahoogroups.com, Dan Dugan <dan@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Colleagues,
>
> In designing the Model D-4, intended to be the Dugan high-end product to
replace both the D-2 and the D-3, we have come up with an important question
that you can help us with.
>
> We plan to make control panel interfaces for iPad for sure and maybe even
iPhone. We are tempted to leave it at that, because such a design could bring
the price down significantly!
>
> The argument for a physical control panel is that an operator can have his or
her fingers on the buttons and eyes on the stage. I may be wrong, but I've
always thought that it is the physical control panel that makes the D-series
worth its high price, rather than the additional features (music system, groups,
etc.).
>
> What do you think?
>
> -Dan
>

Ken Newman, you wrote,

> I would agree that the music system is not the reason we use the D2.
> In fact, I've never used the music system :(

Very few ever have. Years ago I added the D-1 as my second product, it was (is)
a Model D with just the speech system for a lower price. I figured it would
succeed the Model D. I was surprised that people still wanted to buy Model Ds,
even though then didn't actually use the extra features.

> If control of the D4 were to be limited to iPad or iPhone, that might be a bit
challenging for those of us that don't have those devices.
> So I wonder if it would be possible/practical to include computer (ethernet?)
interface as well as iOS interface?

All my new mixers will have web control panels in addition to iOS control
panels. I'm going to reconfigure my whole product line this year, stay tuned.

> For what it's worth, I recently did an informal survey of Dugan E users and
found that almost no one actually connects an external control to it. They just
assume it's set at default settings (or reset to them) and go!

I'm not at all surprised. I had a session with my manual writer yesterday, and
we decided that the "quickstart" for the Dugan-MY16 (Yamaha card, coming soon!)
shouldn't include getting the remote interface up--just patch post-fader and go.
Different Yamaha mixers address their screen differently, so we can't have
operation using their screen. The Dugan-MY16 has ethernet in the back and web
control + iOS control. We will have a live demo at the NAB.

-Dan

From May 26 through June 27 I will be mostly out of town. You can see me in
Orlando at InfoComm!

I have some nature recording expeditions planned where I will be off in the
wild, so my response to orders and questions may be delayed during that period.

Urgent support questions can go to Sam Wong or Quentin Todd, (415) 695-9555,
urgent orders to Sarah Roos or Tony Paredes at the same number.

Have a nice spring!

-Dan

Do you recognize this snake? Got separated from a returned rental and I don't
know where it came from. Mine are all the multicolored Hosa type.

Sent from my iPhone

TV Technology magazine has asked for a first-person user report from a Dugan
user in television. It would be a great help to me, and you could get your name
in the press. Any volunteers?

Dear Colleagues,

The first batch of Dugan-MY16 cards will be shipped next week! I don't know how
long it will take them to get through Yamaha's distribution system.

We've been sold out of E-1s for a few weeks. The new batch is being assembled
now, and we hope to start clearing the backlog of orders mid-September.

I have four talks (two each day) scheduled at Yamaha's Audioversity
<http://www.audioversityexpo.com/> in Las Vegas next week.

I'll be in booth 641 at the AES show in New York, October 21-23.

-Dan

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Of course after shipping the Dugan-MY16s to Yamaha yesterday I found a bug
today. Nothing serious, but it made it impossible to edit the channel and unit
names. Fixed with new release uploaded to both locations today.

I'm on my way to Yamaha Audioversity in Las Vegas.

-Dan

The first shipment of 50 Dugan-MY16 cards was received by Yamaha at Buena Park,
CA, today!

-Dan

Hi,

Just signed up for this group.  I have it in my budget this year to purchase a
MY-16 for my M7CL/32.  I have not used the Dugan stand alone units before, but I
am really excited for this addition to our system.

I looked at the User's Guide and it indicates that the MY-16 should set to
Manual for singing and that there is no functional difference between Manual and
Bypass.

This unit will be very useful for our speech applications such as panel
discussions and conferences, but I just want to confirm that the functionality
is not designed for Musical Theater.

Thanks!

George Cooke
Technical Supervisor
Robsham Theater Arts Center
Boston College

> Just signed up for this group.  I have it in my budget this year to purchase a
MY-16 for my M7CL/32.  I have not used the Dugan stand alone units before, but I
am really excited for this addition to our system.

Welcome to the list. Traffic has been very light, but with the addition of the
Dugan-MY16 I suspect there will be more action.

> I looked at the User's Guide and it indicates that the MY-16 should set to
Manual for singing and that there is no functional difference between Manual and
Bypass.

That's right. The Dugan Control Panel controls all connectable Dugans, and those
with Analog I/O (currently E and E-1) have hard-wire bypass relays. So with
those models the buttons do different things.

> This unit will be very useful for our speech applications such as panel
discussions and conferences, but I just want to confirm that the functionality
is not designed for Musical Theater.

The Dugan Speech System algorithm increases the separation between mics. That's
the opposite of what you want to do when people or instruments are performing
together. Currently the Model D-2 and the discontinued but soon to be replaced
Model D-3 have the Dugan Music System.

The Speech System will work nicely for the dialogue parts of a musical and
solos, but switch to manual if more than one person is singing.

-Dan

Thank you, Dan!

George

--- In duganusers@yahoogroups.com, Dan Dugan <dan@...> wrote:
>
> > Just signed up for this group.  I have it in my budget this year to purchase
a MY-16 for my M7CL/32.  I have not used the Dugan stand alone units before, but
I am really excited for this addition to our system.
>
> Welcome to the list. Traffic has been very light, but with the addition of the
Dugan-MY16 I suspect there will be more action.
>
> > I looked at the User's Guide and it indicates that the MY-16 should set to
Manual for singing and that there is no functional difference between Manual and
Bypass.
>
> That's right. The Dugan Control Panel controls all connectable Dugans, and
those with Analog I/O (currently E and E-1) have hard-wire bypass relays. So
with those models the buttons do different things.
>
> > This unit will be very useful for our speech applications such as panel
discussions and conferences, but I just want to confirm that the functionality
is not designed for Musical Theater.
>
> The Dugan Speech System algorithm increases the separation between mics.
That's the opposite of what you want to do when people or instruments are
performing together. Currently the Model D-2 and the discontinued but soon to be
replaced Model D-3 have the Dugan Music System.
>
> The Speech System will work nicely for the dialogue parts of a musical and
solos, but switch to manual if more than one person is singing.
>
> -Dan
>

Thanks for the MY16 overview in Vegas last week!  Very useful.  Hope top have
our cards soon.

Cheers,

Örjan/Riverview



--- In duganusers@yahoogroups.com, Dan Dugan <dan@...> wrote:
>
> The first shipment of 50 Dugan-MY16 cards was received by Yamaha at Buena
Park, CA, today!
>
> -Dan
>

A new Dugan Control Panel for Java is available. The main change is the
connected units are sorted alphabetically by name in the top panel. It can be
used with Models E, E-1, and Dugan-MY16.

There is a new Dugan Firmware Updater, too. The combination offers bug fixes and
more reliable computer connecting.

A zip file of the new items can be found in the Files area of this list, or at
http://www.dandugan.com/downloads

-Dan

I got my first Dugan-MY16 warranty card back today! From Marty Theel, Westcoast
Sound in Santa Ana, CA.

Thanks, Marty!

-Dan

Just a reminder that the current firmware updater that's in the Files area of
this Yahoo list site, and in the Downloads area of dandugan.com, will update all
computer-connectable Dugan models. You won't see files specific to the E, E-1,
or Dugan-MY16 any more.

When you launch the updater Java app (just double-click on the .jar file),
shortly you will see a list of connected units. Click on one to highlight it. If
the "update firmware" button is grayed out, you have the current firmware. Also
in the package is a .txt file that lists the current firmware versions for all
models.

The new Dugan Control Panel is a stand-alone Java app, and will run all models
(together, if you want). No browser needed, just double-click on the control
panel app.

-Dan

Dan,

I just received my MY16 card yesterday and I'm going to take it on it's maiden
voyage tomorrow.  Woohoo!

Just to be clear, the USB port on the motherboard of the card is not necessary
for any user side upgrading or programming, right?  Any firmware upgrading is
done as it is on the E-1 where you access via LAN and the control panel,
correct?  Just want to make sure I don't have to do any upgrades before I
install it in the console.

Many thanks for your great products; they have covered my @$$ for years!


Jens Brewer

Is anybody on this list using audio networking now? Running audio over CAT5?
What species network are you using (Cobranet, Dante, Aviom, NAS…) and what do
you think about it?

Comments from people not using it but studying it for the future are also
welcome.

-Dan