Dear friends, if you come to the NAB, stop by the Cooper Sound
Systems/Dan Dugan Sound Design booth in the Radio-Audio Hall, booth
N2532.

-Dan

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I got a call from a company in Los Angeles yesterday (I think it was
Hollywood Sound Systems, but I neglected to make a note). They said
they'd rented a D-2 to a CBS job, and the client was complaining
about "delay." They were going to look for a D or D-1 in the area to
rent.

The latency of the D-2 is only 1.2ms. It does make a difference when
you're monitoring your own voice on headphones--it changes the tone a
little because of the combination of the sound through your head and
the delayed sound through the headphones. But I wonder what the
problem was.

-Dan

On 9/18/05 1:48 AM, "duganusers@yahoogroups.com"
<duganusers@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

> I got a call from a company in Los Angeles yesterday (I think it was
> Hollywood Sound Systems, but I neglected to make a note). They said
> they'd rented a D-2 to a CBS job, and the client was complaining
> about "delay." They were going to look for a D or D-1 in the area to
> rent.
>
> The latency of the D-2 is only 1.2ms. It does make a difference when
> you're monitoring your own voice on headphones--it changes the tone a
> little because of the combination of the sound through your head and
> the delayed sound through the headphones. But I wonder what the
> problem was.

Well Dan.....

Let me tell you about it....

As with ANY digital device, there is a slight delay ("latency") on the
signals being processed by the D2. I'm not telling you anything you don't
know, of course!

We own 2 of your wonderful D2's :) And of course we LOVE them!

What I have a feeling is happening at CBS is that someone not familiar with
digital devices and their inherent latency is using the D2.

What they are probably doing is (somewhere in their system, whether it's
wrong or right), combining the dugan-ed sound of a mic, or combining a
dugan-ed mic, with a non-dugan-ed mic, resulting in a "flanging" type of
sound.

This is something I had to get used to, in terms of solo-ing two mics at the
same time (that are on one person), one being dugan-ed, the other not, when
we first switched to the D2's from the D1's that we had been renting.

I hope this makes sense....


----------
Ken Newman
ken@...
ken@...
Audio Applications, Inc.
http://www.audioapps.com

DAN:
>  > I got a call from a company in Los Angeles yesterday (I think it was
>>  Hollywood Sound Systems, but I neglected to make a note). They said
>>  they'd rented a D-2 to a CBS job, and the client was complaining
>>  about "delay." They were going to look for a D or D-1 in the area to
>>  rent.
>>
>>  The latency of the D-2 is only 1.2ms. It does make a difference when
>>  you're monitoring your own voice on headphones--it changes the tone a
>>  little because of the combination of the sound through your head and
>>  the delayed sound through the headphones. But I wonder what the
>  > problem was.

KEN:
>As with ANY digital device, there is a slight delay ("latency") on the
>signals being processed by the D2. I'm not telling you anything you don't
>know, of course!
>
>We own 2 of your wonderful D2's :) And of course we LOVE them!
>
>What I have a feeling is happening at CBS is that someone not familiar with
>digital devices and their inherent latency is using the D2.
>
>What they are probably doing is (somewhere in their system, whether it's
>wrong or right), combining the dugan-ed sound of a mic, or combining a
>dugan-ed mic, with a non-dugan-ed mic, resulting in a "flanging" type of
>sound.
>
>This is something I had to get used to, in terms of solo-ing two mics at the
>same time (that are on one person), one being dugan-ed, the other not, when
>we first switched to the D2's from the D1's that we had been renting.
>
>I hope this makes sense....

Perfectly. Mebbie they were trying to do a mix-minus post-Dugan. That
sure wouldn't work.

-Dan

Dear friends,

I'm having a great time at the AES in New York. See me at booth 548 in Javits.

-Dan

I got a call from Murdoch MacNeil at ABC in Washington this morning.
He was having problems interfacing D-2s with a Midas board. The Midas
had unbalanced TRS inserts. He said he was getting a low-level tone
around 800 Hz when the D-2 was active, not in bypass.

We've had a problem with power supplies beating against each other
with linked units, but in this case though they had two units they
weren't linked, and he said it still happened with one unit
disconnected.

Murdoch said he could solve it with isolation transformers on the D-2
outputs. Sam Wong and I are still mystified.

Anybody out there have a Midas board?

-Dan

There are a few Model Ds and Model D-1s out there with the balanced
output option installed. They will behave normally when hooked up in
balanced insert loops, but in the more common unbalanced insert
patch, the return will be 6 dB down. The gain will jump up to unity
when a channel is in hard bypass.

Balanced is fine if you're always using it with the same balanced
board, but a unit that's going around with different boards would be
better off wired unbalanced. People might think a balanced unit is
broken when the return comes back at a lower level.

It isn't hard for me to take out the balanced output option.

-Dan

Hi Dan

This question came up the other day, as we were planning an event involving
38 table mics:

How many Dugan D2's can be linked together to work interactively?

I know that I've linked (2) units, using 2 optical cables, but if it's
possible to link more than 2, what's the plan in terms of link cables?

Thanks!

----------
Ken Newman
ken@...
ken@...

Ken Newman, you asked,

>This question came up the other day, as we were planning an event involving
>38 table mics:

No problem!

>How many Dugan D2's can be linked together to work interactively?

Eight for 64 inputs.

>I know that I've linked (2) units, using 2 optical cables, but if it's
>possible to link more than 2, what's the plan in terms of link cables?

They connect in a ring. Link out to link in, then out from the last
unit to in of the first. See the diagram repeated on p. 23 of the
manual.

-Dan

Just a reminder to anyone in the Bay Area (or willing to travel
there) that my annual open house is tomorrow, Sunday, noon to 10:00
PM. Food, friends, conversation, nature recordings, and a prototype
of a new Dugan product shown for the first time.

Directions: http://www.dandugan.com/Directions_to_DDSD.html

-Dan Dugan

I'm almost finished editing the D-3 manual. It will be out soon!

-Dan

I showed the Model E prototype at the NAB in Las Vegas. I didn't have
the box yet, but I was able to demonstrate the circuit board,
working! I got another set of four headsets, so there could be a
Model E demonstration and a D-2 demonstrationg going at the same
time. My intern Brian Ward helped.

We also made a wood block mockup of the Model E with graphics of the
front and back panels pasted on. This inspired jokes about solid
state electronics and "knock on wood."

Everybody was happy with the small size (half-rack) and the low price
($2995.00).

I hope to be shipping in a couple of months.

-Dan

Good new, Dan. Any chance of a preview peek at its visuals? a photo of
the mock up, or designs for the case, would allay my curiosity...
Looking forward to it!

<L>

Lou Judson • Intuitive Audio
415-883-2689

On May 11, 2006, at 11:27 AM, Dan Dugan wrote:

> I showed the Model E prototype at the NAB in Las Vegas. I didn't have
> the box yet, but I was able to demonstrate the circuit board,
> working! I got another set of four headsets, so there could be a
> Model E demonstration and a D-2 demonstrationg going at the same
> time. My intern Brian Ward helped.
>
> We also made a wood block mockup of the Model E with graphics of the
> front and back panels pasted on. This inspired jokes about solid
> state electronics and "knock on wood."
>
> Everybody was happy with the small size (half-rack) and the low price
> ($2995.00).
>
> I hope to be shipping in a couple of months.
>
> -Dan

Lou Judson wrote:

>Good new, Dan. Any chance of a preview peek at its visuals? a photo of
>the mock up, or designs for the case, would allay my curiosity...
>Looking forward to it!

I forget whether this list takes attachments, but I'll try attaching
the preliminary flyer that has front and back panel pictures.

-Dan

Dan, you could just post it on your website - I looked there first...

www.dandugan.com

Looking forward to the new little one. Just think, 16 channels of Dugan
mixing in one rack space!
<L>

Lou Judson • Intuitive Audio
415-883-2689

On May 11, 2006, at 5:13 PM, Dan Dugan wrote:

>> Good new, Dan. Any chance of a preview peek at its visuals? a photo of
>> the mock up, or designs for the case, would allay my curiosity...
>> Looking forward to it!
>
> I forget whether this list takes attachments, but I'll try attaching
> the preliminary flyer that has front and back panel pictures.
>
> -Dan

I just got the current issue of Sound and Video Contractor. It has an
article profiling "AV Industry Icons" and I'm one of them!

http://svconline.com/mag/avinstall_av_industry_icons/

I'm in impressive company with Leo Beranek (started the first big
acoustical consulting business), Yves Faroudja (video processing used
by everybody), Tim Berners-Lee (invented http), Don & Carolyn Davis
(equalization), Henry Kloss (the bookshelf speaker, video
projection), and Ray Dolby (tape noise reduction, quality sound for
movies).

They're all real engineers; I just play one at work.

-Dan

Congratulations, Dan! Couldn't be in better company. You completely
deserve it.

I'm proud to call you a friend and mentor.

<L>

Lou Judson • Intuitive Audio
415-883-2689

On May 25, 2006, at 5:23 PM, Dan Dugan wrote:

> I just got the current issue of Sound and Video Contractor. It has an
> article profiling "AV Industry Icons" and I'm one of them!
>
> http://svconline.com/mag/avinstall_av_industry_icons/
>
> I'm in impressive company with Leo Beranek (started the first big
> acoustical consulting business), Yves Faroudja (video processing used
> by everybody), Tim Berners-Lee (invented http), Don & Carolyn Davis
> (equalization), Henry Kloss (the bookshelf speaker, video
> projection), and Ray Dolby (tape noise reduction, quality sound for
> movies).
>
> They're all real engineers; I just play one at work.
>
> -Dan
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

On 5/26/06 10:14 AM, "duganusers@yahoogroups.com"
<duganusers@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

> I just got the current issue of Sound and Video Contractor. It has an
> article profiling "AV Industry Icons" and I'm one of them!

Congratulations, Dan!

You are indeed in esteemed company, but in my eyes, you are THE most
important of all of them!

Thank you for mixing all the panel discussions (not to mention the rest of
the shows) that I "mix".

Keep up the fantastic work!


----------
Ken Newman
ken@...
ken@...

Ken Newman, you wrote,

>You are indeed in esteemed company, but in my eyes, you are THE most
>important of all of them!

Awww, shucks.

>Thank you for mixing all the panel discussions (not to mention the rest of
>the shows) that I "mix".

Yer welcome!

>Keep up the fantastic work!

The metal work for the Model E came in a few days ago. I hope to be
able to photograph it in a week or two.

-Dan

>...BTW, everybody in Baghdad loves the four Model D2's we have at
>Saddam Hussein trial.
>
>--Mitchell Pietz
>Desert Sky Digital Satellite

-Dan

I've put the D-3 manual on line:

http://www.dandugan.com/Products/manuals.html

I'll be mailing them out to the D-3 owners in the next couple of weeks.

-Dan

One of our 2 - D2's recently went back to the Dan Dugan facility for LCD
screen replacement.

I was told by our repair coordinator that while the unit was at Dugan, the
firmware was updated.

This brings up 2 questions:

1) Does this make it incompatible with other (non-updated) units, such as
our other unit (for linking purposes)?


and
2) Is it possible for us to update the firmware in our other unit?

Thanks!

----------
Ken Newman
ken@...
ken@...

7/6/06, Ken Newman wrote:
>One of our 2 - D2's recently went back to the Dan Dugan facility for LCD
>screen replacement.
>
>I was told by our repair coordinator that while the unit was at Dugan, the
>firmware was updated.
>
>This brings up 2 questions:
>
>1) Does this make it incompatible with other (non-updated) units, such as
>our other unit (for linking purposes)?

No.

>and
>2) Is it possible for us to update the firmware in our other unit?

Yes.

>Thanks!
>
>----------
>Ken Newman
>ken@...
>ken@...

-Dan
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       Dan Dugan Sound Design     _/_/_/_/_/_/     Automatic Microphone Mixers
      290 Napoleon St.#E USA    _/   _/_/    _/   Location Audio Repair
     San Francisco,CA 94124   _/  _/_/_/_/   _/  CD and DVD Mastering
    voice (415) 821-9776      _/   _/_/    _/   Nature Recording
   fax (415) 826-7699         _/_/_/_/_/_/     http://www.dandugan.com

I'm sending out the printed D-3 manuals to all the owners. It's also
available as a .pdf on my web site.

-Dan

Hi Dan--

We got a request from a sound engineer named Bruce Cameron today...it read,
"...a Dan Dugan D-2 w/ an optical/digital interface card for the Yamaha
board (In stock at Dan Dugan if you donąt stock it)"

I'm not quite sure what he's referring to....

The "Yamaha board" he's referring to is either a PM5D or a DM2000.

Perhaps he's referring to using a D3, interfacing with a digital card in the
Yamaha console?

Or is there a way to use the "link" optical connector(s) on the D2, to
interface digitally from the Yamaha console to our D2?

Thanks!

----------
Ken Newman
ken@...
ken@...

At 12:18 PM -0700 8/22/06, Ken Newman wrote:
>Hi Dan--
>
>We got a request from a sound engineer named Bruce Cameron today...it read,
>"...a Dan Dugan D-2 w/ an optical/digital interface card for the Yamaha
>board (In stock at Dan Dugan if you don't stock it)"
>
>I'm not quite sure what he's referring to....
>
>The "Yamaha board" he's referring to is either a PM5D or a DM2000.
>
>Perhaps he's referring to using a D3, interfacing with a digital card in the
>Yamaha console?

That would be my interpretation. I do have one rental D-3. It's
balanced AES i/o, 48KHz sample rate.

>Or is there a way to use the "link" optical connector(s) on the D2, to
>interface digitally from the Yamaha console to our D2?

No. The Model E can do that, but it isn't in production yet.

-Dan

I'm so excited, I just have to share this with the insiders. This is
a screen shot of the embedded web page in the Model E.

-Dan

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE SEPTEMBER 1, 2006

DUGAN MODEL E TO INCLUDE VIRTUAL CONTROL PANEL

Dan Dugan Sound Design will show a new model in their famous line of
Automatic Mixing Controllers in booth 1119 at the AES convention in
San Francisco, October 6 through 9.

The Model E is an economy model that makes Dugan Speech System
automatic mixing available to a wider range of applications. It is
dramatically smaller than earlier Dugan products, fitting eight
channels into one RU height and half-rack width. With provided
hardware, two Model E units (together providing 16 channels) can be
mounted side-by-side in one rack space.

The Model E is expected to be useful in houses of worship, conference
sound reinforcement, video trucks, reality shows, theaters, city
councils, distance learning, and teleconferencing.

The Model E connects in two ways, either to a mixing board's insert
jacks with standard TRS cables, or through an 8-channel ADAT optical
interface. When analog I/O is used, the ADAT connectors can be used
to link multiple units up to a maximum of 64 channels. The Model E
can also be linked with the Models D-2 or D-3.

Mute and bypass buttons are provided for each channel. An internal
web server downloads a Java applet that gives real-time control and
monitoring of the controller from the user's browser. The virtual
control panel includes most of the Speech System controls that are on
the Models D-2 and D-3. It can be operated locally or over a fast
internet connection.

Power is 9-24VDC, either polarity, or 9-18VAC.

Dan Dugan said "For a long time people have been asking for a toolbox
solution, an affordable Dugan that you can pull out when the need
arises. At $2,995, the Model E is truly a Dugan for the rest of us."

-30-
--

       Dan Dugan Sound Design     _/_/_/_/_/_/     Automatic Microphone Mixers
      290 Napoleon St.#E USA    _/   _/_/    _/   Motion Picture Audio Repair
     San Francisco,CA 94124   _/  _/_/_/_/   _/  CD and DVD Mastering
    voice (415) 821-9776      _/   _/_/    _/   Nature Recording
   fax (415) 826-7699         _/_/_/_/_/_/     http://www.dandugan.com

RE:
> The Model E is an economy model that makes Dugan Speech System
> automatic mixing available to a wider range of applications.

I'd like to report in that last week I got to do a test run on a real-world
project, using the
Model E in digital mode in the ADAT connection between a Presonus Digimax LT and
a
Digi 002R - it performed beautifully in this application! It was totally
transparent in
operation with six people - two interviewers and four elders sharing memories in
an oral
history project - it would have been an impossible mix to do live, and tedious
if done
manually in post.

I just want to testify that even in prototype, the new Dugan is excellent.
Thanks, Dan, for
the test drive!

(PS - the project specified a Dugan System, and I chose to try the Model E and
Dan
thankfully had a prototype ready to roll.)