--- In dwdsat@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Benney" <tugboat@g...> wrote:
> GDS files have been flowing since the service was enabled for me at
1445 yesterday.
> After MSGDM mananaged the data I have viewed and decoded all the
products as follows....

Peter,

I can confirm Digital Atmosphere with RAOB and SYNOP but not sure
about GRIB.
In addition:

.Tiff files are clear with MS Office Document Imaging as are the Fx's.

Ps files work with Ghostscript (see other postings)

Wind plot, at least the version I have only seems to plot wind, and
pressures at various altitudes.  Any ideas on this?

The DOS synop decoder is a bit clumsy, but then I am not a command
line devotee - there are some (expensive) windows versions.

John Say

GDS files have been flowing since the service was enabled for me at 1445
yesterday.
After MSGDM mananaged the data I have viewed and decoded all the products as
follows....

TIFF .......
Irfanview
http://www.irfanview.com/

IA5 files ....
SYNOP -
MeteoWare Synopdecoder for DOS Version UK2.1
(looking to plot the decoded SYNOP)
  www.geocities.com/meteoware
UPPER AIR -
RAOB 5.5
http://www.raob.com/

PS Files ...
PaintShop Pro 8

GRIB....
Xaxero Windplot
http://www.xaxero.com/gribplot.htm

It may be possible to plot GRIB, SYNOP and UPPERAIR RAOB with Digital
Atmosphere.

Regards,

Peter

A neat program to decode gts06 SYNOP1 Bulletins

http://www.geocities.com/meteoware/english.htm

Peter

Decoded example

Synopdecoder for DOS
Copyright MeteoWare
Version UK2.1 March 15, 2004
Internet www.geocities.com/meteoware
e-mail  bernhard.de.vries@...
===================================================


10020 32486 22510 10163 20114 30170 40205 51003 82800

   333 55309 22494 30531 81815 91114 91211=
Day of the month: 6 Observation time: 15 hr
Weather station: 10020  LIST/SYLT DL
Latitude: 5501N  Longitude: 00825E  Elevation: 29 m

Cloud base: 300 - 599 m (1000 - 1999 ft).
Horizontal visibility: 60 km.
Total cloud cover: 2/8ths.
Wind direction: 250°.
Wind speed: 10 m/s, from anemometer.
Air temperature: 16.3 °C.
Dewpoint temperature: 11.4 °C.
Sea level pressure: 1020.5 hPa.
Pressure change over last 3 hours: 0.3 hPa, increasing, then steady.
Precipitation amount: 0.0 mm.
Present weather: not significant.
Past weather: not significant.
Low cloud type: cumulus and stratocumulus (multilevel).
Middle cloud type: no altocumulus, altostratus or nimbostratus.
High cloud type: no cirrus, cirrocumulus or cirrostratus.

> I would appreciate reports as I mentioned before.

David,

DWDSAT data started at 1445 today. Very efficient service from DWD and
EUMETSAT. Posted registration forms on the 30th June. Have received and
viewd TIFF, IA5 and RAR files. Grib files plotting with Windplot.

Peter

--- In dwdsat@yahoogroups.com, "David Taylor" <david-taylor@b...>
wrote:

Folks,

I have now uploaded a new version which processes all the files that
I currently know about.  Thanks to Bernd Blum I have been able to
confirm operation on PS, TAR and IA5 files.  All these files are
saved to a suitable native format upon reception.  I also removed
some debugging code I accidentally left in - oops!

I would appreciate reports as I mentioned before.

   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dwdsat/message/20

Cheers,
David
--
SatSignal Software - quality software written to your requirements
Web:  http://www.satsignal.net
Email:  davidtaylor@...

--- In dwdsat@yahoogroups.com, "Luca Bertagnolio" <lucaberta@y...>
wrote:
[]
> You just need to download the file and rename it, by getting rid
of the .gz extension and adding the extension .tif or .tiff.
>
> So a file like:
>
> fx401-ana_pfr_na_p_000_000-0407010000-zv---tiff.gz
>
> would become
>
> fx401-ana_pfr_na_p_000_000-0407010000-zv---tiff.tif

For information - MS IE will automatically unzip a .GZ file when
downloading, so rename and you can view the file directly in Windows
XP.  No need for a special plug-in.  By the way, the MSG Data
Manager would rename the equivalent file:

  fx401-ana_pfr_na_p_000_000-0407010000-zv.tif

Cheers,
David

Hi,

I found out that the fax images found on the WebWerdis interface to
DWD data are actually compressed TIFF images that can be opened quite
simply in any web browser using a software tool like AlternaTIFF:

http://www.alternatiff.com

You just need to download the file and rename it, by getting rid of
the .gz extension and adding the extension .tif or .tiff.

So a file like:

fx401-ana_pfr_na_p_000_000-0407010000-zv---tiff.gz

would become

fx401-ana_pfr_na_p_000_000-0407010000-zv---tiff.tif

and would open up nicely in the browser once the AlternaTIFF plugin
is installed.

Note that AlternaTIFF, which is free software, also provides nice
tools like rotate, zoom and pan, all within the normal IE web page.
Highly recommended addon to IE!

Bye, Luca
Brussels, Belgium

Not one of the easier sites to navigate and mostly in German. As far as I can
see the main advantage is a plethora of charts for different atmospheric layers,
again in German (obviously). The images we have already. Am I missing something,
it doesn't seem to be worth subscribing to given what we already have and I
suspect that iso charts are in the pipeline for Eumetcast.

Cheers, Guy
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: David Taylor
   To: dwdsat@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 3:32 PM
   Subject: [dwdsat] Re: MSG Data Manager beta update ..


   --- In dwdsat@yahoogroups.com, "Guy Martin" <agm@t...> wrote:
   > Hi David,
   >
   > Can you put up some samples of the received data on your site
   similar to the msg samples. I would like to see what we would get
   for our £100-ish/yr. I suspect others would be interested.
   >
   > Cheers, Guy

   Why not take a look for yourself at:

     https://tiofas13.dwd.de/lightversion/


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--- In dwdsat@yahoogroups.com, "Guy Martin" <agm@t...> wrote:
> Hi David,
>
> Can you put up some samples of the received data on your site
similar to the msg samples. I would like to see what we would get
for our £100-ish/yr. I suspect others would be interested.
>
> Cheers, Guy

Why not take a look for yourself at:

   https://tiofas13.dwd.de/lightversion/

You would be best to ask one of those who is actually receiving data
for samples, as they may know what's typical and I do not.  I have
seen resampled NOAA and FengYun orbiter images (not as high
resolution as HRPT), Meteosat-5/6/7 images, and a whole plethora of
weather charts in FAX/TIFF format.  Windows XP will display all of
these directly.  As yet, I haven't seen any PS, TAR or IA5 files.

Cheers,
David

Hi David,

Can you put up some samples of the received data on your site similar to the msg
samples. I would like to see what we would get for our £100-ish/yr. I suspect
others would be interested.

Cheers, Guy

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: David Taylor
   To: dwdsat@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 3:08 PM
   Subject: [dwdsat] MSG Data Manager beta update ..


   Folks,

   Although I am not receiving DWDSAT data myself, thanks to the
   information and samples you supplied I have been able to start
   updating the MSG Data Manager to process DWDSAT data.
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Folks,

Although I am not receiving DWDSAT data myself, thanks to the
information and samples you supplied I have been able to start
updating the MSG Data Manager to process DWDSAT data.  The functions
available so far are:

- recognise DWDSAT data received by Tellique
- copy the data from the Tellique folder to your \images\ folder
- recognise the date in the DWDSAT files
   - so you get data in \images\DWDSAT\year\month\day folders
- rename the files for processing
   - note that the text files are renamed to .IA5 rather than .TXT
   - you can associate .IA5 files with notepad for reading
   - but it might be nicer to have a program to display the data!
- delete the raw data

On the MSG Data Manager, Setup tab, Channel selection, Other tab,
you will need to enable:

- the DWDSAT data processing
- the individual file types you want to keep (IA5, PS, TAR, TIFF)

I have only been able to test on a limited set of data, so the sort
of issues you might see are:

- some files not recognised by the program, so they get left in the
Tellique received folder instead of being copied

- the date incorrectly decoded from some files, so that they end up
in \images\DWDSAT\ and not in the \year\month\day\ folder structure.

Any reports would be appreciated.  You can pick up the beta from my
Web site.

Cheers,
David
--
SatSignal Software - quality software written to your requirements
Web:  http://www.satsignal.net
Email:  davidtaylor@...

--- In dwdsat@yahoogroups.com, Arne van Belle <a.van.belle@h...>
wrote:
[]
> But you do need to sort out on category and rename the files to be
able to
> open/view them on a PC.
>
> *---tiff data contains a TIFF image and must be renamed *.tif

> *-ia5 data contains Synops ascii text and must be renamed *.txt

> *-tar data contains a tar archive, renaming to *.tar and unpacking
using
> Winzip gives around 8 binary GRIB files
> Again rename these *-bin files to *.grb
> *---ps data contains Postscript, rename to *.ps and view using
> Gsview/Ghostscript
>
> An extended MSG DataManager could do this, just as it is handling
the ATOVS/RSS data at this moment.

I am working on this right now.....

Cheers,
David

> I note in the Agreement Article 5 para (2)
> "Payments shall be transferred in Euro to bank account indicated in the
>  invoice. Possibly incurring bank charges shall be borne by the Licensee"

I can confirm DWD do not accept credit/debit card payments.

Peter

Hi all.

Just a question: I have enabled PID 302 to receive DWD-SAT data (which i
have successfully registered for at eumetsat + dwd), but i receive no data.

Can anyone tell me whether i maybe have to enable a special channel for
that?

On which channel is dwd-sat data being received?


Thanks in advance!

Regards,
Maik Dobbermann



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Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the dwdsat
group.

   File        : /ps401-gme_tkb_na_p_030_000-0406281200-rus3---ps.pdf
   Uploaded by : a_van_belle <a.van.belle@...>
   Description : Example of PS401 data from DWDSAT, postcript converted to PDF
using Gsview/Ghostscript

You can access this file at the URL

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dwdsat/files/ps401-gme_tkb_na_p_030_000-0406281200\
-rus3---ps.pdf

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit

http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files

Regards,

a_van_belle <a.van.belle@...>

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the dwdsat
group.

   File        : /GRIBdata-gme-p00-Windplot.png
   Uploaded by : a_van_belle <a.van.belle@...>
   Description : Example of GRIB data on DWDSAT decoded using trial version of
WindPlot 7 (can not decode all the GRIB's)

You can access this file at the URL

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dwdsat/files/GRIBdata-gme-p00-Windplot.png

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit

http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files

Regards,

a_van_belle <a.van.belle@...>

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the dwdsat
group.

   File        : /EUMETCASTDATA-Overview-V3.xls
   Uploaded by : a_van_belle <a.van.belle@...>
   Description : Overview of data/file names received from Eumetcast, including
DWDSAT

You can access this file at the URL

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dwdsat/files/EUMETCASTDATA-Overview-V3.xls

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit

http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files

Regards,

a_van_belle <a.van.belle@...>

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the dwdsat
group.

   File        : /RenDWD.bat
   Uploaded by : a_van_belle <a.van.belle@...>
   Description : Very simple DOS script that renames DWDSAT data to PC
extensions, put in the same folder as the data and run it

You can access this file at the URL

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dwdsat/files/RenDWD.bat

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit

http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files

Regards,

a_van_belle <a.van.belle@...>

> Could someone explain to me how I can register for this data. I have included
the PID's in the dvb setup but as yet am not receiving any dwdsat files.

David,

Visit the DWDSAT subscription page.

http://www.dwd.de/en/Technik/Kommunikation/dwdsat/namen.htm

Righ click contact our "data service" Indicate you interest in subscribing
to the service and include your full postal address.

You should receive a prompt reply.

Regards,

Peter

Could someone explain to me how I can register for this data. I have included
the PID's in the dvb setup but as yet am not receiving any dwdsat files.

thanks

david whitehead



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I received the DWDSAT Licence Agreement and Schedule this morning to be
signed, dated and returned to DWD. An invoice will be sent by seperate post.

I note in the Agreement Article 5 para (2)
"Payments shall be transferred in Euro to bank account indicated in the
  invoice. Possibly incurring bank charges shall be borne by the Licensee"

DWD accept payment by credit card for their shop products. I shall
email Kurt Winkler and clarify this point.

Peter

Many thanks to David for starting this list and Douglas for co-moderating!

Bernd and Thomas sparked my interest and Bernd forwarded info and files to
me as I don't have DWDSAT data (yet?).
Based on the TQ log I created a listing of the DWDSAT files received during
a period of 24 hour.
If I have access (I just subscribed to this group) I will upload this table
to the files area.

To give an idea of DWDSAT; in 24 hour it yields around 993 files, 191
different "products" in 8 different data formats.

Processing this data is different from Eumetcast. Data is not segmented and
mostly uses existing file formats.
But you do need to sort out on category and rename the files to be able to
open/view them on a PC.

*---tiff data contains a TIFF image and must be renamed *.tif
*-ia5 data contains Synops ascii text and must be renamed *.txt
*-tar data contains a tar archive, renaming to *.tar and unpacking using
Winzip gives around 8 binary GRIB files
Again rename these *-bin files to *.grb
*---ps data contains Postscript, rename to *.ps and view using
Gsview/Ghostscript

An extended MSG DataManager could do this, just as it is handling the
ATOVS/RSS data at this moment.
Alternatively a DOS script that renames and moves the data, initiated by
the MSGnotify option from MDM could do the job too.

But most work is going to be converting/viewing the data.
I successfully managed to convert the .ps data to colour PDF charts using
the free Gsview/Ghostscript package.

Although DWDSAT is a separate stream, I do see a lot of similarities with
the MPEF data present on Eumetcast here.
Both use GRIB data, GRIdded Binary data that needs to be interpreted and
projected on a map.

As I already tried to read the MPEF GRB+ files using different programs
without success so I tried the DWDSAT .grb files and have some success.

So we should be looking for a program/viewer able to read the GRIB files
(edition 1)
I tried ViewFax (part of the Airmail package) with almost no success.
Currently running a limited trial version of WindPlot 7 with mixed results.
I can convert some of the GRIB data to very nice colour maps.

A lot of commercial GRIB viewers are available but note that GRIB is a very
versatile format and most viewers are aimed at Sailers, not meteorologists.
I also installed a PC version of the GrADS package (Win32e GrADS), but this
needs a complete study!

Unfortunately I am still looking for a BUFR viewer to handle the .bfr+
files in the MPEF data stream !


Greetings,
Arne van Belle

Folks,

I *am* receiving DWD-GDS data and have not signed a licence agreement
with DWD or paid for the service.

I have an email here from someone at DWD (but not Herr Winkler) that
outlines my access to the data. I had considered copying it here but I
don't think that's very fair without the author's consent particularly
if, as seems increasingly likely, I have been incorrectly given free
access!

What I have done is emailed my contact with a copy of his original
message to me,  explaining that the information given to others who are
wanting access to the data is rather different from what he'd told me.

If he stands by his original email to me, I'll get his permission to
post it here. (If he *doesn't* stand by it, I'll probably lose *my*
access. Ah well.....!)

Hope this helps.

Regards,

Allan
--
Allan Gibbs in Prescot, Merseyside, United Kingdom.

I think the quoted cost of 39p a day on a previous mail will actually be
nearer 26p a day if my calculations are correct. Is it not 145 Euros for the
annual fee which at the moment is less than £100.

Regards
Ian.

>
> I have requested a registration form and intend to subscribe.
(39p/day)
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter

David and Peter,

Same here.

I deally I would like to use all the GDS data except the Meteosat and
GOES images (doesn't seem much point in getting those!)

That is, the relevant fx,gts and sat01-noaa data to be separated out
by MSG data manager.

Thanks, David, for setting up the group.

John Say

David,

Maybe a good starting point to display the 175 GDS products as listed in

http://www.dwd.de/en/Technik/Kommunikation/dwdsat/dwdsat-gds.htm

Transferring and decompressing the GZIP tiff files from the received folder
into a directory structure similar to that at
https://tiofas13.dwd.de/lightversion/
Select Binary Data i ,ii and iii which appear to relate to the area covered.
I wonder why they persist with the tiff format ? I think the satellite products
are jpegs and all files GZIP.

www.dwd.de/en/Technik/Kommunikation/dwdsat/DWDSAT_EXPLANATIONS_070404.doc

I have requested a registration form and intend to subscribe. (39p/day)

Regards,

Peter

Please see the files area:

   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dwdsat/files/

Cheers,
David
--
SatSignal Software - quality software written to your requirements
Web:  http://www.satsignal.net
Email:  davidtaylor@...

--- In dwdsat@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas Deans" <douglas@d...> wrote:
> David, I would be more then happy to help you out as a co-
moderator but perhaps it would be better to have someone who is
receiving the data.
> If such a person does not come forward (or you don't feel it's an
issue) then consider it done.

You make me an offer I cannot refuse!  Welcome on board, our second
moderator!  I would like to see another moderator (just to valid new-
member messages as on-topic), preferably one of our German friends
who is actually receiving the service.


> Good luck with the group.
> I have joined to learn something about the service.  I am very
tempted but have to be convinced given the annual cost.
>
> Regards
> Douglas.

Yes, just the same here, although I gather you can get some of the
information directly from the Internet without a subscription.

<http://www.dwd.de/de/SundL/Freizeit/Hobbymeteorologen/WebWerdisLight
.htm>

Cheers,
David
--
SatSignal Software - quality software written to your requirements
Web:  http://www.satsignal.net
Email:  davidtaylor@...

David, I would be more then happy to help you out as a co-moderator but
perhaps it would be better to have someone who is receiving the data.
If such a person does not come forward (or you don't feel it's an issue)
then consider it done.
Good luck with the group.
I have joined to learn something about the service.  I am very tempted but
have to be convinced given the annual cost.

Regards
Douglas.

Folks,

Welcome to the DWDSAT Yahoo Group.  I hope we will have a lively
discussion about how to make the best use of this new data source,
including how to decide which of the many data streams to process,
what presentation of the data suits us best, and how to manage the
many daily updates.

Over to you!

Cheers,
David
--
SatSignal Software - quality software written to your requirements
Web:  http://www.satsignal.net
Email:  davidtaylor@...