Hi - I have a question for our DWD Collegues who read this board.

As part of the Free DWDSAT GDS Data Set - we get to see the UK Synop Data which
if i understand correctly according to ECOMET, All hourly UK land based
observations are classified WMO Essential.

As far as i know we have the following bulletins on the GDS Stream

SMUK41/42/43
SIUK41/42/43
SNUK41/42/43

However there are also the following bulletins available
SMUK61/SNUK61/SIUK61

& SREW41 Reports

As far as i know these are not currently disseminated. Are these available to be
added to the Datastream ?

Many Thanks
Paul

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From: "dwdsat" <dwdsat@...>
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 10:12 AM
To: <dwdsat@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [dwdsat] Re: NOAA 19

> --- In dwdsat@yahoogroups.com, "Ian Deans" <iandeans142@...> wrote:
>>
>> I see today for the first time that DWDSAT have HRPT data from NOAA 19.
>> My guess is that the problem with NOAA 10/19 has been resolved, so I do
>> not
>> expect to see further data from NOAA 19 from outwith Europe.  There was
>> some
>> poor data stamped NOAA 10 this morning.
>>
>> Regards
>> Ian.
>>
>
> Hello,
>
> the problem was, that NOAA used the old Sattelite ID from NOAA 10 for the
> new NOAA 19 again!
> Some Software does not realise that it is not the same stattelite and
> display the image eas from NOAA 10.
>
> Greetings from DWD-Germany
>
> Jens Popp

Thanks for your mail Jens and the explanation.

Actually it was a nice distraction to get images from DWDSAT not covering
Europe .

To be honest your service is excellent and with NOAA 15 to NOAA 19 being
used,  your coverage of Europe is extremely extensive and certainly a
service I use daily.

Regards
Ian.

dwdsat wrote:
[]
> Hello,
>
> the problem was that NOAA use the Satellite ID from NOAA10 in the
> files for NOAA19.
>
> Greetings form DWD Germany
>
> Jens Popp

Thanks, Jens.  It's what I thought had happened.  With a 4-bit field -
0..15 - and now 19 NOAA satellites and Metop there will be more clashes.

We look forward to the NOAA-19 data in due course.

Cheers,
David
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--- In dwdsat@yahoogroups.com, "Ian Deans" <iandeans142@...> wrote:
>
> I see today for the first time that DWDSAT have HRPT data from NOAA 19.
> My guess is that the problem with NOAA 10/19 has been resolved, so I do not
> expect to see further data from NOAA 19 from outwith Europe.  There was some
> poor data stamped NOAA 10 this morning.
>
> Regards
> Ian.
>

Hello,

the problem was that NOAA use the Satellite ID from NOAA10 in the files for
NOAA19.

Greetings form DWD Germany

Jens Popp

--- In dwdsat@yahoogroups.com, "Ian Deans" <iandeans142@...> wrote:
>
> I see today for the first time that DWDSAT have HRPT data from NOAA 19.
> My guess is that the problem with NOAA 10/19 has been resolved, so I do not
> expect to see further data from NOAA 19 from outwith Europe.  There was some
> poor data stamped NOAA 10 this morning.
>
> Regards
> Ian.
>

Hello,

the problem was, that NOAA used the old Sattelite ID from NOAA 10 for the new
NOAA 19 again!
Some Software does not realise that it is not the same stattelite and display
the image eas from NOAA 10.

Greetings from DWD-Germany

Jens Popp

I see today for the first time that DWDSAT have HRPT data from NOAA 19.
My guess is that the problem with NOAA 10/19 has been resolved, so I do not
expect to see further data from NOAA 19 from outwith Europe.  There was some
poor data stamped NOAA 10 this morning.

Regards
Ian.

Right on cue further NOAA 10/19 images from DWDSAT.   Theses images are only
available when NOAA 10 and NOAA 19 are in parallel orbits for about 36/48
hours and hence the reason the images are always from the Arctic.

It just surprises me that they haven't figured out what is happening yet,
although I am not sure where their pass data originates.  I thought Lannion
as I have seen occasional multiple passes taken where more than one
satellite was in the vicinity and only Lannion has facilities as far as I
know for tracking two satellites at the same time.  Still nice to get DWDSAT
HRPT data from outwith Europe on occasions.

Regards
Ian.

I see some more NOAA 19 images from the Arctic region have appeared from
DWDSAT.   Again this has been as a result of taking the European pass times
from NOAA 10 in error.

I am just a little surprised that they have not been able to resolve this,
although I for one am quite happy to see DWDSAT passes outwith Europe, as
they they take European data from the other 4 NOAA satellites anyway.

Regards
Ian.

Thursday 16/7/09

I have been looking at these two NOAA10/19 passes received today and I think I
know what is happening.   David added a pixel readout to the viewer in the last
few days when the previous NOAA10/19 data was received. You will see it working
on the R/H side of the viewer.

When you load both these passes the LONG/LAT readings you get are over Europe
although the images are clearly not.    I think that who ever supplies DWDSAT
with the passes will have the co-ordinates that DWD are wanting covered ( ie the
same coverage as applies at the moment for NOAA15 to NOAA 18 over Europe ) but
because they are using NOAA 10 and presumably its keplers  they are getting the
NOAA 19 data when NOAA 10 is over Europe.

Yes just checked by putting in NOAA 10 keplers in WXtrack and that is exactly
what is happening.  So in other words DWDSAT should be getting NOAA 19 over
Europe but because the data they are getting is wrongly stamped as NOAA 10 the
NOAA 19 data that they are getting is where NOAA 19 is when NOAA 10 is over
Europe.

I will copy this to the groups.

Ian.

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Ian Deans wrote:
[]
> If any more NOAA-10/19 data is received I will report to DWD,
> assuming the same issues with country boundaries.
>
> Regards
> Ian.

Thanks, Ian.

David
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Web:  www.satsignal.eu
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From: "David J Taylor" <gm8arv@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 10:50 AM
To: <dwdsat@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [dwdsat] NOAA 19 ( NOAA 10 )


> Ian,
>
> I checked the content of the N10 data this morning, and it has exactly the
> same mapping given in the files as the NOAA-16, 17, 18 etc. earlier data.
> Obviously, the country boundaries don't match with the image, though.  May
> be worth reporting to DWD in case they miss it here.  I suspect that they
> could be using Kepler data for NOAA-10 and not NOAA-19.....
>
> Cheers,
> David


Thanks for looking into that David.   There has been no NOAA-10/19 data now
from DWDSAT for almost 30 hours, so I am beginning to wonder if it was sent
in error as their image data normally only covers Europe.  They are not even
using NOAA 19 for their Europe passes and I am not sure if they would drop
NOAA-18 if they did.

If any more NOAA-10/19 data is received I will report to DWD, assuming the
same issues with country boundaries.

Regards
Ian.

Ian Deans wrote:
> I see this morning that DWDSAT have produced  1284 Kb images for that
> Arctic pass, the same as they do for all European passes of NOAA 15
> to 18.
>
> That might well suggest that these passes will become permanent.
>
> I assume David that the boundaries for these passes will be correct
> once the data is processed as NOAA 19.
>
> Regards
> Ian.

Ian,

I checked the content of the N10 data this morning, and it has exactly the
same mapping given in the files as the NOAA-16, 17, 18 etc. earlier data.
Obviously, the country boundaries don't match with the image, though.  May
be worth reporting to DWD in case they miss it here.  I suspect that they
could be using Kepler data for NOAA-10 and not NOAA-19.....

Cheers,
David
--
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Ian Deans wrote:
> I see this morning that DWDSAT have produced  1284 Kb images for that
> Arctic pass, the same as they do for all European passes of NOAA 15
> to 18.
>
> That might well suggest that these passes will become permanent.
>
> I assume David that the boundaries for these passes will be correct
> once the data is processed as NOAA 19.
>
> Regards
> Ian.

Ian, the earlier images were polar stereo projection, and the projection
details are embedded into the data.  If there are changes, perhaps DWD can
please advise here in the DWDSAT Yahoo group.  I simply display the
boundaries according to the projection specified, but it may be that
updates are required.

Cheers,
David
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Ian Deans wrote:
> Yes indeed and more has arrived this morning.  I do not run overnight
> but another 5 files ( with NOAA 10 ) have arrived just after 7.00 UTC
> and again they are from the Arctic area ( haven't had time to
> pinpoint ).
[]
> Regards
> Ian

Folks, as there are more "n10" data, I have provided an experimental MSG
Data Manager update to handle both "n10" and, when it comes, "n19" data.
You can download the update here:

   http://www.satsignal.eu/software/beta.htm

Please note the need for a new support DLL, which should be placed in the
program's directory.  This is an artefact of moving to Delphi 2009.

Cheers,
David
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I see this morning that DWDSAT have produced  1284 Kb images for that Arctic
pass, the same as they do for all European passes of NOAA 15 to 18.

That might well suggest that these passes will become permanent.

I assume David that the boundaries for these passes will be correct once the
data is processed as NOAA 19.

Regards
Ian.

Yes indeed and more has arrived this morning.  I do not run overnight but
another 5 files ( with NOAA 10 ) have arrived just after 7.00 UTC  and again
they are from the Arctic area ( haven't had time to pinpoint ).

I am beginning to wonder if DWDSAT are now going to use NOAA 19 outwith the
European area, although that would surprise me.   Rather good image this
morning and it would be nice to get these images on a regular basis.

I know the DWDSAT images are not quite as good generally as the other High
resolution data we get, but nevertheless I monitor the data regularly and
there are some cracking images.

Regards
Ian.

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From: "David J Taylor" <gm8arv@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 7:59 AM
To: <dwdsat@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "GEO-Subscribers" <GEO-Subscribers@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [dwdsat] NOAA 10 !!!



> Nice to see the new satellite data, and from a different part of the
> world.  This data is freely available to all over EUMETSAT, and consists
> of ready-processed data normally covering Europe (and centred on Germany,
> of course, for DWD).  Data is carried from a greater range of satellites
> than the EARS AVHRR data.  See:
>

Ian Deans wrote:
> Well DWDSAT has excelled itself today as it has taken a pass from
> NOAA10 !!!!!    Those that take DWDSAT from Eumetcast should look at
> their receive folder for the data and they will see 5 bz2 files that
> are unprocessed as they are shown as NOAA 10.
>
> Douglas and I have opened these files with DWD HRPT Viewer and have
> tried to match it with passes shown on WXTrack, but we are not sure
> of the timing. It is one of the poorer quality passes ( some from
> DWDSAT are excellent ).
>
> Up to now DWDSAT have not used NOAA19 but further investigation is
> required to ascertain which satellite it is meant to be.
>
> I have copied this mail to GEO-Subscribers as the DWDSAT group has a
> restricted membership.
>
> Regards
> Ian.

Ian,

I've added a latitude & longitude readout to the beta version of the
DWDSAT HRPT Viewer.  You can download it here:

   http://www.satsignal.eu/software/beta.htm

I suspect that the "N10" designation is because the satellite ID for
NOAA-19 and NOAA-10 is the same (they only have a few bits to code the
ID).  It needs a little intelligence added to the DWDSAT generation
program to know that if the data is 2009 or later, likely it's NOAA-19 and
not NOAA-10.

Nice to see the new satellite data, and from a different part of the
world.  This data is freely available to all over EUMETSAT, and consists
of ready-processed data normally covering Europe (and centred on Germany,
of course, for DWD).  Data is carried from a greater range of satellites
than the EARS AVHRR data.  See:

   http://www.satsignal.eu/software/dwd-hrpt.htm

Cheers,
David
--
SatSignal software - quality software written to your requirements
Web:  www.satsignal.eu
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Ian Deans wrote:
> Well DWDSAT has excelled itself today as it has taken a pass from
> NOAA10 !!!!!    Those that take DWDSAT from Eumetcast should look at
> their receive folder for the data and they will see 5 bz2 files that
> are unprocessed as they are shown as NOAA 10.
>
> Douglas and I have opened these files with DWD HRPT Viewer and have
> tried to match it with passes shown on WXTrack, but we are not sure
> of the timing. It is one of the poorer quality passes ( some from
> DWDSAT are excellent ).
>
> Up to now DWDSAT have not used NOAA19 but further investigation is
> required to ascertain which satellite it is meant to be.
>
> I have copied this mail to GEO-Subscribers as the DWDSAT group has a
> restricted membership.
>
> Regards
> Ian.

Ian,

The data opens if you drag-and-drop one of the file set onto the DWDSAT
HRPT Reader - I tested with the experimental beta version.  Most likely
these are NOAA-19 data.  I am uncertain about the data, though, as the
reflectance over the snow shows 122% here.  Is that normal over snow with
this program?

Cheers,
David
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Well DWDSAT has excelled itself today as it has taken a pass from NOAA10
!!!!!    Those that take DWDSAT from Eumetcast should look at their receive
folder for the data and they will see 5 bz2 files that are unprocessed as
they are shown as NOAA 10.

Douglas and I have opened these files with DWD HRPT Viewer and have tried to
match it with passes shown on WXTrack, but we are not sure of the timing.
It is one of the poorer quality passes ( some from DWDSAT are excellent ).

Up to now DWDSAT have not used NOAA19 but further investigation is required
to ascertain which satellite it is meant to be.

I have copied this mail to GEO-Subscribers as the DWDSAT group has a
restricted membership.

Regards
Ian.

Folks, please see the message here:

   http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MSG-1/message/11419

and follow.   For everyone's benefit, could we please keep follow-up
discussions to the MSG-1 Yahoo group alone, and not here.

   http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MSG-1/

Thanks,
David
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katadikosoy wrote:
> No i mean can i see live data streams for free from skystar 2 ? If ot
> where i download data to see then with the program ? thnx

katadikosoy,

At the very least, you will need to buy the TelliCast software from
EUMETSAT.  It's about Euro 60, I believe.

Various free data sources are scattered throughout the Internet - what is
it you are particularly interested in?

David
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No i mean can i see live data streams for free from skystar 2 ? If ot
where i download data to see then with the program ? thnx

katadikosoy wrote:
> Hi i want to ask how i see with viewer i must pay in eumetcast?Thnx in
> advance...

Welcome to the group!

Which data are you particularly interested in?  Much of the data is
already in text or image format, so the standard tools on your PC will
handle it.  The high-resolution images, for both Germany and Europe, can
be read with my DWDSAT HRPT Viewer software.

   http://www.satsignal.eu/software/dwd-hrpt.htm

Try the program after you are getting the data - it has a full-function,
30-day trial period built in.

Cheers,
David
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Hi i want to ask how i see with viewer i must pay in eumetcast?Thnx in
advance...

David, Fred, I'm now in the correct list. I have simply written a
TrimTree batch file to remove the files I don't want. At present there
is a list of 13 parameters at the end of the command line. May not be
elegant, but it works. As I refine my usage of the files I will no
doubt add to the list.
As I dump all DWDSAT files after 24 hours I could probably run this
batch job every six hours so that I can manage what's left more
conveniently.
Robert

I am looking for archived  fine tempral and spatial (preferably 15min,3km)
resolution rainfall data for the specific events between April and May 1999 in
my small (52 sq. Km)catchment down the slopes of Mt. Kilimanjaro( 37.25E,37.6E
and 3.33S, 3.05S). I have been trying to retrieve the EUMETSAT  multi-sensor
precipitation estimates which are in GRIB2 fomart but I had problem in decoding
/reading by the ECMWF/NOAA tools, finding their resolution and also they are not
archived!.Please if you can advise on how I can get these data I should be very
gratefull.
 Kind regards,

MASHINGIA, Fredrick A. J.
M.Sc. Eng. (Candidate)
University of Dar es Salaam.
Republic Of Tanzania.
Phone: +255 713 619 561
E-mail: fmashingia@...

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The Global Dataset can be downloaded from DWD by FTP without any
charges. For registration please click
http://werdis-cbs.dwd.de/bvbw/bvbwDWD.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=bvbwD
WD_page_3

and enter your e-mail-address. You will automatically receive your
ftp-account (user, password) by e-mail. You can then download the GDS
from our ftp-Server using these account data.
The global dataset can be used without restriction. For dissemination
and publication, also parts of it, the source "Deutscher Wetterdienst"
must be listed (or use of the DWD-logo instead). The meteorological
meaning of the data may not be changed when published.

Infos on http://metportal.dwd.de -> English  -> Services A-Z -> Products
-> DWDSAT

Best regards from DWD,
Stefan



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I have now received a reply from Eumetsat OPS, following my report to them
of the build up of DWDSAT channels listed as 'available' in the 'Active
Channels' setting in the HTML shell of Tellique.
Many others have seen the same thing.

OPS have confirmed that this happens when jobs get interrupted due to a
higher priority before any data has been sent.
As I said in my last mail this is something you will see on all channels
from time to time, but not usually a build up.
They have also confirmed that the DWDSAT stream is
mostly affected because it contains many relatively small files and the
likelihood of these interruptions is higher than in other channels.
The feeling is that it has little or no impact on performance.
The Engineers will monitor the situation.
If there is any further news I will report back.
At the moment I am seeing 5 of those channels but there is often more than
10.

Regards
Douglas.

I have now reported to OPS the continuing problem of build up of DWDSAT
channels listed as 'available' in the 'Active Channels' setting in the HTML
shell of Tellique.
At the moment I am seeing 10 listed.
I had held off writing as the last few days seemed much better but once
again today has a large build up.
I am not clear if this affects the operation of the system (probably not)
but as it is not behaviour seen before, I think it worth reporting.
I will keep you informed of any replies from OPS although I would not expect
engineering input until the Festive period is over.

Regards
Douglas.

loophunter wrote:
> Hallo,
> Could someone please tell me what exact wording is necessary for
> amending the recv.channels list by DWDSAT ?
> Thanks in advance.

Roland,

You need to add a section like this:

[DWDSAT]
target_directory=received

I suggest you point the received data to the same target as the majority
of your other data.

> By the way: are the Goes images in fact accessed via DWDSat manager or
> or is it perhaps the MSG Data Manager through which I can see them ?
> Regards,
> Roland

My MSG Data Manager handles both the normal GOES data over EUMETCast
(saved as JPEG or PNG), and the TIFF images sent over DWDSAT.  You can
visualise the TIFF images through any image viewer (e.g. IrfanView), and
the JPEG/PNG images with my GeoSatSignal software,

Cheers,
David
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