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Re: APL Keyboards

Dick, some remarks:

<snip>
> I do hope that the Wiki pages are offering accurate guidance for people to
configure their mail/news clients.

This is by no means about configuring anything. You _cannot_ enter APL
characters anywhere without having Dyalog APL installed because that means that
you have either an IME "thing" installed (Version 11) or it's successor with
Version 12.

Configuration issues rise when one tries to copy APL chars from an email or a
Wiki article into one of the Unicode-capable APLs (Dyalog, APLX, APL2) or vise
versa.
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<snip>
> This is so much better for the newcomer than having to tell them that the
plus sign on the keyboard means divide to APL.

Really? Now you have to tell them that it is the plus key together with Ctrl (or
AltGr or whatever).

The only real benefit I can see is that we had APL characters which are also
part of any standard keybard but on different keys (plus, minus and others).
That can be fixed by putting them on the same keys in APL mode.
----

<snip>
> I don't have any real frustrations with using an APL-friendly keyboard
> layout, just that it's tedious when I want to enter APL characters
> outside the session I have to go and hunt down that little IME button.

So you are using Version 11. There is no IME in Version 12 I am afraid. It come
with something different that delivers the same results. Well, almost. I am
forced to work with both 11 and 12, and I could tell you long stories about the
difficulties and frustration caused by that.

Kai






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Taking a clue from the little stickers that STSC used to send out with each new upgrade of their APL software--they were to be placed on the front of the ...
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Frequently when I am trying to create a new Tab in Firefox by pressing Ctrl+T I find out that I've just entered an APL char into the Find box instead although...
Kai
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Sorry, in this paragraph: * In APL mode the keyboard does not support any of the standard shortcuts. This mode is designed ... at the very bottom of my posting...
Kai
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I wonder whether part of the problem stems from Dyalog's historic decision to use the Ctrl key as trigger for APL characters. Do people using APLX, APL2 (and...
Dick Bowman
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Jul 5, 2009
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Dick, some remarks: <snip> ... This is by no means about configuring anything. You _cannot_ enter APL characters anywhere without having Dyalog APL installed...
Kai
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Jul 5, 2009
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... No I'm not....
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[kai] Conclusion A) APL characters should to be entered (and tested!) in an APL session. Full stop. B) In APL there are two keyboard modes: "Standard" and...
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... Right - the key that stops the cursor keys moving around in a spreadsheet. What a great application! How many people in this group went bananas because...
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Agreed; the point about so called "...simple rules..." is that you should then get predictable, reproduceable results in any given mode for any given...
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... Yes Peter, you got my point....
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... We might also discuss the wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APL_(programming_language)...
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