Allen Watson, on 1/3/01 01:37 am, wrote:

> ...What they have in common is they are all plain text.

I agree but this eMA is primarily for FileMaker. For those who won't use
HyperCard or who hate plain text, like me. I want the extra features.

I am thinking of a text-only version, but it will come if it does, after eMA
is completed, probably after I finish the languishing HyperCard version. Are
there any cheap and dependable database programs for the Mac, which unlike
AppleWorks, has enough space for real email?

> My idea for using a plain text format such as mbox, setext, or digest, is
> that some very fast search engines do exist, such as the new Eudora for mbox
> files, or BBEdit for the other two (and BBEdit Lite is free; there's also
> Nisus Writer 4.0 (free) and Nisus Compact (free)).

My problem is that there are so many formats, and I don't like the idea of
importing a large mbox into a email program, even when some subset of fields
can be made into a "mailbox", which many don't even use normally. I, and
many non-programmers, hate BBEdit, despite its many features that only a
Unix programmer could love, and Nisus Writer which you have to hate
Microsoft to love. I may be prejudiced, but everybody seems to be, in
different ways.

> Of course, as you point out, HyperCard Player is free. But how long will it be
> supported? That is in doubt.

Yes, I wish Apple would tell us its plans, if any. If it lasts, then most of
the work is done.

Also, the HyperCard groups are looking into a substitute that is compatible
and free.

> There will <always> be some fairly fast way of searching plain text
> files.

But will they be used by lots of non-technical people? I mean really
non-technical people who like things all set up for them.

For us, I'd rather do this in FileMaker and AppleScript scripting than have
to use another program. I've just begun.

> ...But I think it would be fun to develop
> something anybody could use.

There used to be some cheap db programs. Where are they today?

Another problem is getting all those preferences chosen for a text-only
program. Sounds like a non-AppleScript front end would be needed.

Just mulling it over for now.

Cheers,
John

On or near 1/3/2001 4:28 PM, Hugh McMillan at hughmcmillan@...
observed:

> Thanks so much for your help... I really appreciate it but although I made
> the script changes, with Smile, )and I am not a scriptor), it failed again
> with a slightly different error code. I gave up and in my exasperation I
> didn't write down the message.
>
Understandable. Sorry it didn't work after all that effort.

> I tried to get Entourage Email Archive by Stefano Cappello to work. It
> failed as well and it doesn't really do what I want it to. I really want
> John's program to work as it does exactly what I am looking for.
>
I agree.

> I guess I will have to be patient for John's revised program although I
> would be happy to beta test his latest for him if he forwards it my way.

He's talking about having it ready by the end of the month; let's keep our
fingers crossed!
--
Peace be with you!
Allen <allenwatson@...> XNS Name: =Allen Watson
My web page: <http://home.earthlink.net/~allenwatson/>
Scripts for OE and Entourage: <http://homepage.mac.com/allenwatson/>

Allan,

Thanks so much for your help... I really appreciate it but although I made
the script changes, with Smile, )and I am not a scriptor), it failed again
with a slightly different error code. I gave up and in my exasperation I
didn't write down the message.

I tried to get Entourage Email Archive by Stefano Cappello to work. It
failed as well and it doesn't really do what I want it to. I really want
John's program to work as it does exactly what I am looking for.

I guess I will have to be patient for John's revised program although I
would be happy to beta test his latest for him if he forwards it my way.

Many thanks Allan and John for all your assistance.

-Hugh McMillan
Salisbury, CT
(in the Berkshires)






on 1/1/01 6:11 AM, eMA-Talk@egroups.com at eMA-Talk@egroups.com wrote:

> --
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> Get latest eMA versions from: <http://homepage.mac.com/eMK>
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>
> There are 2 messages in this issue.
>
> Topics in this digest:
>
>     1. Error -2753, what does it mean?
>          From: hughmcmillan@...
>     2. Re: Error -2753, what does it mean?
>          From: Allen Watson <allenwatson@...>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 1
>  Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 14:55:26 -0000
>  From: hughmcmillan@...
> Subject: Error -2753, what does it mean?
>
>
>
> When I try to archive Entourage, "Another", in eMA2.5b3.2 I get the
> following dialog:
>
> Error -2753 in eMA library-Entourage:Archive:Doing dates and
> archiving folders. Archive Folder:The variable pMSG is not
> defined.
>
> What is the problem here and how can I get this to work
> correctly?
>
> I have looked at the other archiving programs and I don't think
> they will give me what I want and John's seems to fit the bill, if I
> could get it to work.
>
> Thanks for the assistance,
> Happy New Year
>
> -Hugh McMillan
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 2
>  Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 14:03:39 -0800
>  From: Allen Watson <allenwatson@...>
> Subject: Re: Error -2753, what does it mean?
>
> The cure for this particular problem isn't exactly simple, so I hope I can
> help. It's one I had before, in an earlier version of John's script, and
> fixed for myself. I reported it to him, but apparently the fix didn't make
> it into the last released version. Apart from one brief message from John
> after his stroke (about six weeks after), I have not heard anything from
> him. I believe he must be having a very hard time with his recovery, so I
> will count any further development of his scripts to be an unexpected
> blessing. For myself, I don't have the time it would take to try to take
> over those scripts; they are quite complex and handle so many variables I
> doubt I could ever figure them out completely.
>
> Meanwhile, I <planning> a rather simple archiving package that would handle
> what I think are the essential basics:
>
> --Selective archiving by date of message
> --Optional exemption from backup by some means (flag, category, priority)
> --Multi-folder scanning (start it running, runs unattended)
> --Ability to reply, forward, redirect, or reimport messages from the archive
> back to Entourage
>
> I would borrow the selection criteria part from John's scripts, I think. The
> archiving would be to plain text files, not to a database, but the text
> files would be formatted either as digests, Unix mailboxes, or else as
> setext documents, all of which can be read with subject indices by some kind
> of software: mbox files by Eudora (which can also rapidly search them) or by
> reimporting them into Entourage; digests by Digest Viewer; setext files by
> Easy View or BBEdit 6.0.1 (which also has high-speed search capability over
> multiple files). I intend to try each format and see which works the best
> and offers the most features. I'd have to write scripts for BBEdit, I guess,
> to do the reply and reimport stuff, if I chose that method.
>
> Anyway, the fix for the pMsg error.
>
> I think you will find a line in the script that says: "set pMSG to
> theMessage's properties". This would be in the routine "Archive Folders".
> Replace that one line with this:
>
>                       try
>                           set pMSG to the theMessage's properties
>                       on error
>                           set pMSG to theMessage
>                       end try
>
> If that "try...end try" sequence is already there, then I don't know what to
> tell you.
>
> Problem is, to edit that script library, you will need to have a copy of the
> Smile script editor; the normal Apple Script Editor program will not handle
> scripts longer than 32K. If you don't have Smile, then E-mail me a copy of
> your eMA scripts, and I will take a look to see if I can make the fix for
> you. If I can fix it, unless John Carlsen himself responds to your message,
> I will post the fixed script on my web site for others to access.
>
>
> On or near 12/31/00 6:55 AM, hughmcmillan@... at
> hughmcmillan@... observed:>
>>
>> When I try to archive Entourage, "Another", in eMA2.5b3.2 I get the
>> following dialog:
>>
>> Error -2753 in eMA library-Entourage:Archive:Doing dates and
>> archiving folders. Archive Folder:The variable pMSG is not
>> defined.
>>
>> What is the problem here and how can I get this to work
>> correctly?
>>
>> I have looked at the other archiving programs and I don't think
>> they will give me what I want and John's seems to fit the bill, if I
>> could get it to work.
>>
>> Thanks for the assistance,
>> Happy New Year
>>
>> -Hugh McMillan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Important: give your versions of eMA, FMP, Mac OS & your Email App.
>> Get latest eMA versions from: <http://homepage.mac.com/eMK>
>> To unsubscribe, <mailto:eMA-Talk-unsubscribe@egroups.com>
>>
>>

On or near 1/2/01 1:26 PM, W John Carlsen at john.carlsen@... observed:

> Allen Watson, on 12/31/00 05:03 pm, wrote:
>
>> The cure for this particular problem isn't exactly simple, so I hope I can
>> help. It's one I had before, in an earlier version of John's script, and
>> fixed for myself. I reported it to him, but apparently the fix didn't make
>> it into the last released version. Apart from one brief message from John
>> after his stroke (about six weeks after), I have not heard anything from
>> him. I believe he must be having a very hard time with his recovery, so I
>> will count any further development of his scripts to be an unexpected
>> blessing.
>>
> Iım progressing quite well, and have been working on the next version of
> eMA. I have it working well for Entourage (with all FileMaker types, which
> is easier to do with the revised script), and an now working on the Outlook
> Express script now, which should be a simple modification.

As I said in an earlier message to you, I'm <delighted> to hear you're doing
well and working on eMA again! I was beginning to worry that that was not
going to happen, which is what is behind my tone in the message you quote
above.
>
>> For myself, I don't have the time it would take to try to take
>> over those scripts; they are quite complex and handle so many variables I
>> doubt I could ever figure them out completely.
>
> No need to take them over, though you have learned lots about the Outlook
> Express version, though you seem to be using Entourage now? It is actually
> more scriptable.
>
Sure is!

> Actually, Iıve begun to shrink the number if variables, through parameters
> rather than so many globals, but doing so completely will have to wait for
> yet another version.
>>
>> Meanwhile, I <planning> a rather simple archiving package that would handle
>> what I think are the essential basics:
>>
>> --Selective archiving by date of message
>> --Optional exemption from backup by some means (flag, category, priority)
>> --Multi-folder scanning (start it running, runs unattended)
>> --Ability to reply, forward, redirect, or reimport messages from the archive
>> back to Entourage
>>
> Again, eMA will do all of this. Only needed if I fail to finish eMA, which
> seems unlikely now, thank goodness.
>
This is really good news. You are right; what I am thinking about may not be
necessary, although see below.

> Iım trying to keep this thing very flexible for sevaral formats, and I want
> to restore the newsgroups programs support. Thing will change in the future.
>>
>> I would borrow the selection criteria part from John's scripts, I think. The
>> archiving would be to plain text files, not to a database, but the text
>> files would be formatted either as digests, Unix mailboxes, or else as
>> setext documents, all of which can be read with subject indices by some kind
>> of software: mbox files by Eudora (which can also rapidly search them) or by
>> reimporting them into Entourage; digests by Digest Viewer; setext files by
>> Easy View or BBEdit 6.0.1 (which also has high-speed search capability over
>> multiple files). I intend to try each format and see which works the best
>> and offers the most features. I'd have to write scripts for BBEdit, I guess,
>> to do the reply and reimport stuff, if I chose that method.
>>
> Why all those formats?

Not all of them, just one; I'd try each to see which offers the best
results. What they have in common is they are all plain text.

> Donıt you like FileMaker? I causes a bit of trouble
> in scripting, but it seems immensely reliable, and has lots of good
> features.

Absolutely; I love FileMaker. That's why I was after you to complete the FMP
version. However, not long ago FileMaker Inc. racked up the price of a new
copy of the program to well above $100, and unless people have it for other
reasons, an FMP archive is useless. Unless you can license the runtime
engine (as Dan did), which I would not be willing to do if I were you.

> My main goal is getting mail out of the mail programs (and
> remaining flexible for new ones) and into a single full-featured format, not
> a plain text file which has to then be used by email programs again (digests
> and primitive mboxes) or by other text utilities. Searching in text fields
> is still a problem for some, and I will be working more on that.

My idea for using a plain text format such as mbox, setext, or digest, is
that some very fast search engines do exist, such as the new Eudora for mbox
files, or BBEdit for the other two (and BBEdit Lite is free; there's also
Nisus Writer 4.0 (free) and Nisus Compact (free)). And there is Sherlock
indexing as well. I think there should be some kind of archive that is
pretty much free, apart from perhaps a minimal shareware fee for the scripts
that archive and do replies and forwarding. Of course, as you point out,
HyperCard Player is free. But how long will it be supported? That is in
doubt. There will <always> be some fairly fast way of searching plain text
files.

I may prefer, for my own use, to continue using FileMaker and eMA, because I
already own FileMaker for my job. But I think it would be fun to develop
something anybody could use.

> I hope to have the fixed eMA ready this month.
>
John, send me a copy when you are ready for some testing. We're all waiting
anxiously!
--
Peace be with you!
Allen <allenwatson@...> XNS Name: =Allen Watson
My web page: <http://home.earthlink.net/~allenwatson/>
Scripts for OE and Entourage: <http://homepage.mac.com/allenwatson/>

The cure for this particular problem isn't exactly simple, so I hope I can
help. It's one I had before, in an earlier version of John's script, and
fixed for myself. I reported it to him, but apparently the fix didn't make
it into the last released version. Apart from one brief message from John
after his stroke (about six weeks after), I have not heard anything from
him. I believe he must be having a very hard time with his recovery, so I
will count any further development of his scripts to be an unexpected
blessing.

For myself, I don't have the time it would take to try to take
over those scripts; they are quite complex and handle so many variables I
doubt I could ever figure them out completely.

Meanwhile, I <planning> a rather simple archiving package that would handle
what I think are the essential basics:

--Selective archiving by date of message
--Optional exemption from backup by some means (flag, category, priority)
--Multi-folder scanning (start it running, runs unattended)
--Ability to reply, forward, redirect, or reimport messages from the archive
back to Entourage

I would borrow the selection criteria part from John's scripts, I think. The
archiving would be to plain text files, not to a database, but the text
files would be formatted either as digests, Unix mailboxes, or else as
setext documents, all of which can be read with subject indices by some kind
of software: mbox files by Eudora (which can also rapidly search them) or by
reimporting them into Entourage; digests by Digest Viewer; setext files by
Easy View or BBEdit 6.0.1 (which also has high-speed search capability over
multiple files). I intend to try each format and see which works the best
and offers the most features. I'd have to write scripts for BBEdit, I guess,
to do the reply and reimport stuff, if I chose that method.

Anyway, the fix for the pMsg error.

I think you will find a line in the script that says: "set pMSG to
theMessage's properties". This would be in the routine "Archive Folders".
Replace that one line with this:

                        try
                            set pMSG to the theMessage's properties
                        on error
                            set pMSG to theMessage
                        end try

If that "try...end try" sequence is already there, then I don't know what to
tell you.

Problem is, to edit that script library, you will need to have a copy of the
Smile script editor; the normal Apple Script Editor program will not handle
scripts longer than 32K. If you don't have Smile, then E-mail me a copy of
your eMA scripts, and I will take a look to see if I can make the fix for
you. If I can fix it, unless John Carlsen himself responds to your message,
I will post the fixed script on my web site for others to access.

The cure for this particular problem isn't exactly simple, so I hope I can
help. It's one I had before, in an earlier version of John's script, and
fixed for myself. I reported it to him, but apparently the fix didn't make
it into the last released version. Apart from one brief message from John
after his stroke (about six weeks after), I have not heard anything from
him. I believe he must be having a very hard time with his recovery, so I
will count any further development of his scripts to be an unexpected
blessing. For myself, I don't have the time it would take to try to take
over those scripts; they are quite complex and handle so many variables I
doubt I could ever figure them out completely.

Meanwhile, I <planning> a rather simple archiving package that would handle
what I think are the essential basics:

--Selective archiving by date of message
--Optional exemption from backup by some means (flag, category, priority)
--Multi-folder scanning (start it running, runs unattended)
--Ability to reply, forward, redirect, or reimport messages from the archive
back to Entourage

I would borrow the selection criteria part from John's scripts, I think. The
archiving would be to plain text files, not to a database, but the text
files would be formatted either as digests, Unix mailboxes, or else as
setext documents, all of which can be read with subject indices by some kind
of software: mbox files by Eudora (which can also rapidly search them) or by
reimporting them into Entourage; digests by Digest Viewer; setext files by
Easy View or BBEdit 6.0.1 (which also has high-speed search capability over
multiple files). I intend to try each format and see which works the best
and offers the most features. I'd have to write scripts for BBEdit, I guess,
to do the reply and reimport stuff, if I chose that method.

Anyway, the fix for the pMsg error.

I think you will find a line in the script that says: "set pMSG to
theMessage's properties". This would be in the routine "Archive Folders".
Replace that one line with this:

                         try
                             set pMSG to the theMessage's properties
                         on error
                             set pMSG to theMessage
                         end try

If that "try...end try" sequence is already there, then I don't know what to
tell you.

Problem is, to edit that script library, you will need to have a copy of the
Smile script editor; the normal Apple Script Editor program will not handle
scripts longer than 32K. If you don't have Smile, then E-mail me a copy of
your eMA scripts, and I will take a look to see if I can make the fix for
you. If I can fix it, unless John Carlsen himself responds to your message,
I will post the fixed script on my web site for others to access.


On or near 12/31/00 6:55 AM, hughmcmillan@... at
hughmcmillan@... observed:>
>
> When I try to archive Entourage, "Another", in eMA2.5b3.2 I get the
> following dialog:
>
> Error -2753 in eMA library-Entourage:Archive:Doing dates and
> archiving folders. Archive Folder:The variable pMSG is not
> defined.
>
> What is the problem here and how can I get this to work
> correctly?
>
> I have looked at the other archiving programs and I don't think
> they will give me what I want and John's seems to fit the bill, if I
> could get it to work.
>
> Thanks for the assistance,
> Happy New Year
>
> -Hugh McMillan
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Important: give your versions of eMA, FMP, Mac OS & your Email App.
> Get latest eMA versions from: <http://homepage.mac.com/eMK>
> To unsubscribe, <mailto:eMA-Talk-unsubscribe@egroups.com>
>
>

--
Peace be with you!
Allen <allenwatson@...> XNS Name: =Allen Watson
My web page: <http://home.earthlink.net/~allenwatson/>
Scripts for OE and Entourage: <http://homepage.mac.com/allenwatson/>

When I try to archive Entourage, "Another", in eMA2.5b3.2 I get the
following dialog:

Error -2753 in eMA library-Entourage:Archive:Doing dates and
archiving folders. Archive Folder:The variable pMSG is not
defined.

What is the problem here and how can I get this to work
correctly?

I have looked at the other archiving programs and I don't think
they will give me what I want and John's seems to fit the bill, if I
could get it to work.

Thanks for the assistance,
Happy New Year

-Hugh McMillan

John's archive should contain an "import" function. Look in the Script menu
under "Import from a different archiver."

On or near 11/12/00 12:44 PM, Diane Ross at dianeross@... observed:

> Now I need to import this database into John's format. How do I do this?

--
Peace be with you!
Allen <allenwatson@...> XNS Name: =Allen Watson
My web page: <http://home.earthlink.net/~allenwatson/>

On 11/11/2000 5:39 PM, "MacOptions" <info@...> wrote:

> I have been having a tough time getting eMA2.5b3 to work with Entourage.
> After getting the lack of memory problem settled I now get this error
> message with every folder I try "Error -2753 while archiving message "***"
> Get Correspondents: The variable theAccount is not defined". This is
> probably due to the fact that in my import from OE5 to E'Rage the "To
> Account" field was lost. Anyone have an idea?

I have had trouble archiving a large folder using EMA, so I used the old
Crevier archive script. This might be a workaround for you until John can
work on the script.

Now I need to import this database into John's format. How do I do this?

I put a copy of Crevier's script on the MacEmail site:

<ftp://ftp.macemail.com/oe/TransfertoArchiveEntourage.sit>

You also need to get the Emailer Archive package.

  <http://fogcity.got.net/files/Emailer/2.0/EmailerArchive3.0.hqx>

You also might want to check the version of Crevier's script that Allen
modified.

  "Transfer to Archive (Entourage)", includes a copy of the Progress Bar app
and an empty clone of the database file, in a stuffit archive named "Crevier
Archive E.sit". (It's in the list at the bottom of the Entourage folders.)

<http://homepage.mac.com/allenwatson/>

--
Diane

I have been having a tough time getting eMA2.5b3 to work with Entourage.
After getting the lack of memory problem settled I now get this error
message with every folder I try "Error -2753 while archiving message "***"
Get Correspondents: The variable theAccount is not defined". This is
probably due to the fact that in my import from OE5 to E'Rage the "To
Account" field was lost. Anyone have an idea?

TIA

Jeff

--

We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office.
--Aesop

--
Jeff Overton - MacOptions        <jeff@...>
OE 5.0 Tutorial         <http://www.macoptions.com/oe>
OS8 & 9 Beginners Tutorial  <http://www.macoptions.com/os85>
Webmaster - NH Seacoast Mac User Group
<nhsmug@...>   <http://www.seacoastmac.org>

On 11/6/00 8:19 AM, Allen Watson at allenwatson@... wrote:

> I don't guarantee that this will work, but it is certainly a
> necessary first step.

Nope.  Didn't do it.  Thanks anyway.

Bruce

On 11/6/00 7:37 AM, Bruce Gerson at bruce.gerson@... wrote:

> Alan, I got a new copy, upped the RAM for the applet to 18Mb, upped
> Entrourage over 16Mb and FMP to over 25Mb and the applet STILL times out.
> After trying the minimum Extension set, I'm going to give up for now.

Pardonez-moi!  I meant Allen, not Alan.

Bruce

Bruce, I checked and the repetition limit on the field that holds the
folders is set to 200. In FileMaker, open the template file, choose
Define Fields on the file menu, and try to select the field "Another
Folders." Click on the options button and set the repetition count to 300 or
some such. I don't guarantee that this will work, but it is certainly a
necessary first step. Save the changed file with a different name. Better
yet: Make a duplicate copy and rename it before you do the edit.

If that does not do the trick, see ifJohn Carlsen, the author, has any
suggestions. As he indicated, he is not going to be rapidly responding to
messages.
--
Peace be with you!
Allen <allenwatson@...> XNS Name: =Allen Watson
My web page: <http://home.earthlink.net/~allenwatson/>

> From: Bruce Gerson <bruce.gerson@...>
> Reply-To: eMA-Talk@egroups.com
> Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 07:37:54 -0800
> To: eMA Talk <eMA-Talk@egroups.com>
> Subject: Re: EMA 2.5b3 doesn't seem to want to work
>
> I have over 270 folders (mostly sub-folders; only about 6 or 7 "root"
> folders) and thousands of messages (which is why this is important to me).
>

On 11/5/00 6:03 PM, Allen Watson at allenwatson@... wrote:

> Bruce, I downloaded a fresh copy from the address John Carlsen gave today in
> his message announcing his return. (Thank God!) I ran it, and it failed the
> first time to update the folder list. I upped the memory on the applet (to
> 10000K, as I recall) and also some for Microsoft Entourage, and the folder
> list updated fine, and I succeeded in archiving about 2000 messages. No
> glitches!

Alan, I got a new copy, upped the RAM for the applet to 18Mb, upped
Entrourage over 16Mb and FMP to over 25Mb and the applet STILL times out.
After trying the minimum Extension set, I'm going to give up for now.

> I have about 90 folders...

I have over 270 folders (mostly sub-folders; only about 6 or 7 "root"
folders) and thousands of messages (which is why this is important to me).

Thanks for your help,

Bruce

Bruce, I downloaded a fresh copy from the address John Carlsen gave today in
his message announcing his return. (Thank God!) I ran it, and it failed the
first time to update the folder list. I upped the memory on the applet (to
10000K, as I recall) and also some for Microsoft Entourage, and the folder
list updated fine, and I succeeded in archiving about 2000 messages. No
glitches!

I have about 90 folders...
--
Peace be with you!
Allen <allenwatson@...> XNS Name: =Allen Watson
My web page: <http://home.earthlink.net/~allenwatson/>

> From: Bruce Gerson <bruce.gerson@...>
> Reply-To: eMA-Talk@egroups.com
> Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 11:37:21 -0800
> To: eMA Talk <eMA-Talk@egroups.com>
> Subject: Re: EMA 2.5b3 doesn't seem to want to work
>
> On 11/5/00 10:49 AM, Allen Watson at allenwatson@... wrote:
>
>> However, when I have tried "Another" in the copy of this which Diane sent to
>> me, and then attempted to set up the folder list for archiving, I get a
>> message saying that this is intended for a beta test version only and is
>> non-functional in released versions. It tells me, instead, to select a
>> different E-mail client.
>
> I never get a similar message and I'm using an honest-to-goodness licensed
> copy.  When I do try to update the folder list for archiving, the Progress
> panel indicates that it's locating the Entourage folder list but eventually,
> eMA Script Handler times out.  I've tried upping memory allocations for any
> relevant applications with no luck.  I have yet to try different Extension
> sets.
>
> I might add that I have a fairly large folder hierarchy which may be part of
> the problem.
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
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On 11/05/2000 10:49 AM, "Allen Watson" <allenwatson@...> wrote:

> herefore, so far as I know, there is NO WORKING VERSION OF EMESSAGE
> ARCHIVER for MS Entourage until John returns to us. If he does. I have twice
> sent messages to his sister asking how John is doing, but have not received
> any reply.

You can get the Entourage version from this location:

[Select "other" for Entourage]

  http://209.6.196.99/X/eM_2.5b3_Ent.sit

or

ftp://ftp.macemail.com/oe/eMessageArchiver2.5b3.hqx

Allen, I'm not sure why the version is not working for you with Entourage.
Even though he put it out during the beta, it has continued to work for me
into the final version. In fact, I'm archiving right now.

Also regarding the OneClick "freeze"....


> From: Allen Watson  <allenwatson@e...>
> Date: Wed Oct 11, 2000 2:26pm
> Subject: Freeze after menu click during archiving
>
>
> Some of you will be aware that there is a problem with some versions of eMA,
> at least, in which during an archiving run, if you click in the menu (or on
> a OneClick palette), there is a partial "freeze" that occurs. Although the
> script continues to run without any problem, you can no longer switch
> between applications, and mouse clicks anywhere are ignored until the script
> completes. A Command-Period will abort the script and free things up, but of
> course this interrupts the archive run.

I have found that if I click around on the desktop I can get the freeze to
stop. It's just hard not to click on the Task Bar again though. :-)

And for someone that said there were no girls...well there is now.

--
Diane (who just subscribed and went back and read old emails and is thankful
that the list is quiet)

On 11/5/00 10:49 AM, Allen Watson at allenwatson@... wrote:

> However, when I have tried "Another" in the copy of this which Diane sent to
> me, and then attempted to set up the folder list for archiving, I get a
> message saying that this is intended for a beta test version only and is
> non-functional in released versions. It tells me, instead, to select a
> different E-mail client.

I never get a similar message and I'm using an honest-to-goodness licensed
copy.  When I do try to update the folder list for archiving, the Progress
panel indicates that it's locating the Entourage folder list but eventually,
eMA Script Handler times out.  I've tried upping memory allocations for any
relevant applications with no luck.  I have yet to try different Extension
sets.

I might add that I have a fairly large folder hierarchy which may be part of
the problem.

Bruce

Diane Ross told me that you need to select "Another" in the list of
available clients. I think at the time he wrote this with the beta software,
the name "entourage" had not been announced and he could not use it.

However, when I have tried "Another" in the copy of this which Diane sent to
me, and then attempted to set up the folder list for archiving, I get a
message saying that this is intended for a beta test version only and is
non-functional in released versions. It tells me, instead, to select a
different E-mail client.

Therefore, so far as I know, there is NO WORKING VERSION OF EMESSAGE
ARCHIVER for MS Entourage until John returns to us. If he does. I have twice
sent messages to his sister asking how John is doing, but have not received
any reply.

I regret that I certainly am in no place, either in skill or available time,
to try to port eMA from Outlook Express to Entourage.
--
Peace be with you!
Allen <allenwatson@...> XNS Name: =Allen Watson
My web page: <http://home.earthlink.net/~allenwatson/>

> From: Bruce Gerson <bruce.gerson@...>
> Reply-To: eMA-Talk@egroups.com
> Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 19:36:24 -0800
> To: <eMA-Talk@egroups.com>
> Subject: EMA 2.5b3 doesn't seem to want to work
>
> I downloaded eMA 2.5b3 for Entourage from John's link but, although the link
> in his message indicates it's for Entourage, there's no reference to
> Entourage in the entire folder.  There are no scripts specifically for
> Entourage and I doubt that modifying the current ones would work.  So, the
> question is:  With John's illness and the problem with his web site going
> down, did the link break?  If so, does anyone have the REAL archive?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
>
> --
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> Get latest eMA versions from: <http://homepage.mac.com/eMK>
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>
>

I downloaded eMA 2.5b3 for Entourage from John's link but, although the link
in his message indicates it's for Entourage, there's no reference to
Entourage in the entire folder.  There are no scripts specifically for
Entourage and I doubt that modifying the current ones would work.  So, the
question is:  With John's illness and the problem with his web site going
down, did the link break?  If so, does anyone have the REAL archive?

Thanks,

Bruce

Is there anyone out there who has a very recent copy of John Carlsen's
eMessage Archiver (eMA) mail archive scripts? I am looking for a very recent
version that works with Entourage. I have version 2.5b3, which works with
OE, Emailer and Eudora; I need a more recent version to begin archiving my
Entourage mail. If need be, I'll just do the "drag a folder to the desktop"
method, but I like having the added flexibility of a FileMaker database.

John's web site is down. As you probably have heard, John had a stroke a
week or two ago and will be out of circulation for a few more weeks at
least. This is why I'm making a public request.

If you have a copy, just let me know. I don't want to receive ten copies!
--
Peace be with you!
Allen <allenwatson@...> XNS Name: =Allen Watson
My web page: <http://home.earthlink.net/~allenwatson/>

on 10/11/2000 8:07 AM, dhrowe@... at dhrowe@... wrote:

> I am just a little concerned because I had to rebuild one of my databases
> and when I tried to import it into a clean clone I do not get a good
> database.

What happens if you just open the rebuilt database and export it to a new
FMP file? I don't know why that should be very different, but it might be.
--
Peace be with you!
Allen <allenwatson@...> XNS Name: =Allen Watson
My web page: <http://home.earthlink.net/~allenwatson/>

>So, I say, we should just sit back and wait a bit.
well lets think about that for a while ;-)
>
>I am using eMessage Archiver 2.5b3, in conjunction with Outlook Express 5.0
>(switching soon to Entourage) and FileMaker Pro v3.0v5.
I guess I got something similar because I have  2.5b4 which I am using
with FMP 5 and the old standby Claris Emailer.
>
>Last I heard from John, he was working on finishing up eMA 2.5b5, which was
>substantially different from the "b3" version I am using. Different enough
>that, when John offered me a "working but not complete" version, I said I'd
>wait until he finished it off. So I am pretty far behind in terms of the
>details of the scripts, and I have <never> delved into some of the
>complexities that John has used in these scripts. Script libraries, for
>instance, to pick a very basic thing; or date calculations in FileMaker.

I am just a little concerned because I had to rebuild one of my databases
and when I tried to import it into a clean clone I do not get a good
database.

Some of you will be aware that there is a problem with some versions of eMA,
at least, in which during an archiving run, if you click in the menu (or on
a OneClick palette), there is a partial "freeze" that occurs. Although the
script continues to run without any problem, you can no longer switch
between applications, and mouse clicks anywhere are ignored until the script
completes. A Command-Period will abort the script and free things up, but of
course this interrupts the archive run.

I just want to report that, apparently just after John's stroke, I sent John
some messages from the AppleScript list regarding similar problems with
other scripts. Chris Nebel, of AppleScript Engineering, confirmed that there
is indeed an AppleScript bug, and so our problem is not likely a problem
with John's scripts. The bug is being investigated. I have sent copies of
John's scripts to Chris, to be used in tracking down the problem. So, there
is hope!
--
Peace be with you!
Allen <allenwatson@...> XNS Name: =Allen Watson
My web page: <http://home.earthlink.net/~allenwatson/>

Doug,

I don't think we need to give up on John just yet! With him at the helm of
eMA and eMK, it has been a long, slow development process. John has other
duties, and family obligations, that have kept him away from his scripting
for long stretches before; I don't see that this is much different. Those
who use his programs have always had to be patient, sometimes waiting a year
for and update promised "in a few days," because John got an inspiration for
a great new feature, and then got pulled away by other demands.

So, I say, we should just sit back and wait a bit.

I am using eMessage Archiver 2.5b3, in conjunction with Outlook Express 5.0
(switching soon to Entourage) and FileMaker Pro v3.0v5.

Last I heard from John, he was working on finishing up eMA 2.5b5, which was
substantially different from the "b3" version I am using. Different enough
that, when John offered me a "working but not complete" version, I said I'd
wait until he finished it off. So I am pretty far behind in terms of the
details of the scripts, and I have <never> delved into some of the
complexities that John has used in these scripts. Script libraries, for
instance, to pick a very basic thing; or date calculations in FileMaker.

I would disqualify myself from trying to work on John's scripts, then, first
for lack of expertise, and second, a definite lack of time. I do a lot a
little scripts, and I know how easily a script that barely fills the screen
can sometimes eat up an entire afternoon to get it just right. I expect that
it would take anyone weeks just to get up to speed with John's scripts, and
I mean that <full time> weeks. By that time, he'll be back. So, let's just
be patient and wait.

on 10/10/2000 1:45 PM, Doug Rowe at dhrowe@... wrote:

>> Our dear friend, John Carlsen, suffered a stroke last week. His daughter,
>> Thea, sent me this message to share with everyone:
>>
>
> Well that is a quite a call to wake up and smell the roses!    I never
> actually talked to John, but traded a number of emails with him about  some of
> his applescript and FM projects.  A wonderful man that will be missed,
> hopefully just for a while.   Guess that puts eMA  on hold.
>
> Well Guys (I say that after looking at the 15 names and email addresses in the
> "group". and I don't see any girls.)
>
> I would really like eMA to work for my own  use.  It has saved my bacon twice
> in the last week (and I do  filemaker and applescripting.  I know Allen is an
> applescript  wizzard.  Anyone else want to help?, assuming John doesn't  mind.
> Give it some thought.  I don't want to do it all myself.
>
> If  some of y'all have skill set and will work together I will write to John
> asking him about it.
>
> doug
>
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Peace be with you!
Allen <allenwatson@...> XNS Name: =Allen Watson
My web page: <http://home.earthlink.net/~allenwatson/>

>Our dear friend, John Carlsen, suffered a stroke last week. His
daughter,
>Thea, sent me this message to share with everyone:
>

Well that is a quite a call to wake up and smell the roses!    I
never  actually talked to John, but traded a number of emails with
him about  some of his applescript and FM projects.  A wonderful
man that will be missed, hopefully just for a while.   Guess that
puts eMA  on hold.

Well Guys (I say that after looking at the 15 names and email
addresses in the "group". and I don't see any girls.)

    I would really like eMA to work for my own  use.  It has saved my
bacon twice in the last week (and I do  filemaker and
applescripting.  I know Allen is an applescript  wizzard.  Anyone
else want to help?, assuming John doesn't  mind.  Give it some
thought.  I don't want to do it all myself.

  If  some of y'all have skill set and will work together I will write
to
John asking him about it.

doug

Dear Doug and others on the eMA-Talk list:

Our dear friend, John Carlsen, suffered a stroke last week. His daughter,
Thea, sent me this message to share with everyone:

> Hi,
>
> My name is Thea.  I'm writing on behalf of my father, John Carlsen.  He
> asked me to write you and tell you that he had a stroke last week and will
> not be home or near a computer for about a month.  He's doing much better
> than he was, and is staying at a rehab center nearby where he'll be working
> on regaining full control of the right side of his body.  I came to Boston
> for the week, but I have to go home for a few weeks to get my own affairs
> settled before I come back to stay with him.  If you have any questions, or
> would just like to know how he is doing, I would be happy to tell you
> whatever I know.  My email address is thea-l@....
>
> Also, he would like to know if you could post this information in the
> appropriate places, so that the people who are waiting impatiently for his
> reply will know what's going on.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Thea Ledendecker
> 502-479-9091
> thea-l@...
>
Diane Ross later supplied a postal address for anyone who would like to send
John a get well card:

W. John Carlsen
c/o Spaulding Rehabilitation Hospital
Room 404
125 Nashua Street
Boston, MA  02114-1198


on 10/10/2000 6:41 AM, Doug Rowe at dhrowe@... wrote:

> Hi John
> I have a small problem with beta 4.  I got a got a db that was
> crashed and I wanted to export all the email out of it and into
> another db.  I tried a couple of ways and have not gotten anything
> reasonable to import.
>
> When i looked on the site the current is beta 3.  Was there a
> problem and I need to go back?
>
--
Peace be with you!
Allen <allenwatson@...> XNS Name: =Allen Watson
My web page: <http://home.earthlink.net/~allenwatson/>

Hi John
   I have a small problem with beta 4.  I got a got a db that was
crashed and I wanted to export all the email out of it and into
another db.  I tried a couple of ways and have not gotten anything
reasonable to import.

When i looked on the site the current is beta 3.  Was there a
problem and I need to go back?

doug

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