Thank you for your note, John, and for the EMA application. It was a
huge advantage with archiving the multiple mailing lists I host, and
has almost worked flawlessly up until the last version of Entourage.
Since that time, I have moved to Apple Mail, and my archiving has
simply been saving mailboxes monthly. Not nearly as elegant or
searchable, but it works for now.

Good luck with your next project, and I'm glad I got to know you a
little bit through the list.

Steve Morris
Avon, Ohio




On Jul 1, 2009, at 4:41 PM, John Carlsen wrote:

>
>
>
> Hi, from the author of eMessage Archiver and Moderator of this
> Group, with an important message.
>
> I am no longer going to update or support the eMA application.
>
> This eMA discussion group, however, is not being closed. Please keep
> on talking.

I was just approved for membership. I guess that means the developer
is around. I really like eMA. I have used it on OSX 10.5.11 without
any problems. I archived about 5 years of email from Entourage
(2001-2006). I also have EEAX, which I used for more recent email.

Sorry to have to say this having been a long-time user or eMA, but I would
suggest looking
for another solution for your mail backup. eMA has significant problems with
Leopard, hasn't
been updated in almost a year, and John (the developer) hasn't posted here in
almost that
long (last post May of 2007). So it's apparent that if eMA hasn't been abandoned
the
development is so glacial as to make eMA an impractical solution. You might take
a look at
Entourage Email Archive X:

http://www.softhing.com/eeax/info.html

It's gotten good reviews and is kept very current.

Regards.

eMA hasn't worked for me either - and I'm still running OS X 10.4.1!  But I had
pretty much
given up since no solution (essentially the same error message as below) was
forthcoming
from this message group.  I use Entourage for my email package and found that it
has the
facilities to save and recover email messages (via EXPORT and IMPORT). The
simple easy
way I've been using is to just drag the folders you want to save to a backup
media (I use a
memory stick).  The key restriction using this technique is that no subfolders
get copied,
so you have to drag them unto your desktop (or directly to the backup store)
individually.
But at least it works.

For more info, in Entourage Help, search on "archive", then select "Back up and
restore
Entourage information".

Dave


--- In eMA-Talk@yahoogroups.com, "dsawyer121153" <yahoo.3.dsawyer@...> wrote:
>
> --- In eMA-Talk@yahoogroups.com, "johnulm2" <johnulm@> wrote:
> >
> > John, other users: it appears that Leopard (OS X 10.5) breaks eMA.
> > When you try to archive any folder, the process stops on the first
> > message (and all subsequent messages) with this error:
> >
> > Error -1700 in message: (message name) ArchiveMessage, msg not
> > archived: SetNewMessageRecord, Can't make "F" into type number.
> >
> > I know that Leopard changed indexing and updated mail, so the problem
> > is probably a new format to the messages in the mail folders.
>
> Hi, John,
>
> The problem is very likely that Mail in Leopard changed things from the
previous format
> (or the background commands have changed). eMA hasn't been updated in almost a
year,
> and John Carlsen hasn't posted here in equally a long time, so it's pretty
clear that eMA
is
> in essence a dead product. I'd therefore recommend that you move to some other
> solution. I've found MailSteward to be fast and quite reliable with Apple Mail
so you
might
> give that a try. The only hitch is if you have a large archive already in eMA
or another
> FileMaker-based solution; I have yet to find an easy way to get said archive
(or a text
> export) into MailSteward so you may not be able to have a single archive of
all your old
> emails.
>
> Regards.
>

--- In eMA-Talk@yahoogroups.com, "johnulm2" <johnulm@...> wrote:
>
> John, other users: it appears that Leopard (OS X 10.5) breaks eMA.
> When you try to archive any folder, the process stops on the first
> message (and all subsequent messages) with this error:
>
> Error -1700 in message: (message name) ArchiveMessage, msg not
> archived: SetNewMessageRecord, Can't make "F" into type number.
>
> I know that Leopard changed indexing and updated mail, so the problem
> is probably a new format to the messages in the mail folders.

Hi, John,

The problem is very likely that Mail in Leopard changed things from the previous
format
(or the background commands have changed). eMA hasn't been updated in almost a
year,
and John Carlsen hasn't posted here in equally a long time, so it's pretty clear
that eMA is
in essence a dead product. I'd therefore recommend that you move to some other
solution. I've found MailSteward to be fast and quite reliable with Apple Mail
so you might
give that a try. The only hitch is if you have a large archive already in eMA or
another
FileMaker-based solution; I have yet to find an easy way to get said archive (or
a text
export) into MailSteward so you may not be able to have a single archive of all
your old
emails.

Regards.

Steve,

Thank you for your response.  I'm using 10.5.1, eMA 4.10b1, and Apple
Mail. I know that Apple Mail is updated/new with 10.5.1, so that may
be the source of the problem.  I will upgrade to eMA 4.10b5 to see if
it helps, but I don't anticipate a change.

Thanks!

John

--- In eMA-Talk@yahoogroups.com, Steve Morris <Steve@...> wrote:
>
>
> John,
>
> It still works here just fine with OSX 10.5.1, eMA 4.02, and Entourage
> 11.3.6 while archiving. I don¹t use eMA for any other functions, so I
> haven¹t tested anything else.
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>
> johnulm2 <johnulm@...> wrote
>
> John, other users: it appears that Leopard (OS X 10.5) breaks eMA.
>

John, other users: it appears that Leopard (OS X 10.5) breaks eMA.
When you try to archive any folder, the process stops on the first
message (and all subsequent messages) with this error:

Error -1700 in message: (message name) ArchiveMessage, msg not
archived: SetNewMessageRecord, Can't make "F" into type number.

I know that Leopard changed indexing and updated mail, so the problem
is probably a new format to the messages in the mail folders.

--John

I want to archive and then backup important emails, especially those pertaining
to my
genealogy research.  I was successful in my first attempt - using the Test Mode.
But on
subsequent tests, I continue to get the following error message:

Error -1700 in 'eMessage Archiver".
Using OS 10.4.11, AppleScript 1.10.7, Power PC
970 2100 MHz,  512 MB. Using Microsoft
Entourage 11.3.6, FileMaker Runtime 8.5v1, eMA
Script 4.10 b5, eMA Database 4.10b5

DoCommand: Archive: setting up database:
GetArchivingOptions: organizing prefs: FixPrefs: column
selector invalid: Can't make "Fwd" into type integer.

Please advise.

Thanks, Dave Lambert

After installing Leopard on my Intel Mac mini, tried to import using Mail.app.
The script
launches Mail fine, but then hangs when the folder part starts. Please
advise....

I chose the option to import dbs from 3.06 created w/FMP.
The script is not found.
I chose the option to import dbs from 3.06 created w/runtime FM.
The script is not found.
Am I doing something wrong?

I have never been able to get eMessage Archiver to work starting since
the 3.x series. I need to start archiving email, so tried again, using
the latest version.

I don't know what I am doing wrong, so I will give a step by step below.

Experiencing this on a Powerbook G4 laptop, Mac OS 10.4.10. My Email apps
are two versions of Claris Emailer which are normally run concurrently,
and Apple Mail. I intend to start migrating to another mail application
once I get Emailer mail safely archived.

Here are the steps:
Start with a freshly downloaded copy of eMa, 4.10b5
Copy the eMa folder to the applications folder
Put the clean database in the documents folder.
Load the target Email program (tried both Mail and Emailer)
Double Click the Document, eMessage Database.ema
eMessage database loads
Go to the Preferences message
Select "Application to Archive From", Emailer (or Mail)
Select "Application to Send Email Via", Mailo
Go to Setup page
The appropriate icon for Mail or Emailer is showing near upper left
Click on Update Lists
Error message:
Error -10660 in 'Launch eMessage Transfer: run':
Error -10660 in LaunchApplication: An error of
type -10660 has occurred.

I do not think I have left anything out here.

I have repeated this selecting both Mail and Emailer at different times.
I have tried it with Mail and Emailer running and not running.

If I go to the log, its empty, as I see the message: "Log Reset on
07/26/2007"

I must be missing something obvious, so would really appreciate a
pointer. I can understand Emailer having some problems, but with Mail not
working, there must be a step I am missing.
  I tried reading the help, searching the yahoo group,trying as many
settings and options as I could find, etc, but still can't figure this
out. Its probably a simple click somewhere. Or maybe there is a way to
hard-code the path to the selected Email app, which maybe I might need if
I am going to use this with seperate versions of Emailer?

10 years of heavy use has been an amazing accomplishment for Emailer, but
its time to move on, so I can upgrade to a MacBook Pro. ;-)

thanks!

Mark James
garlic @ veggy.com

"It's probably because I did more LSD than they did." -- Steve Wozniak,
when asked why he was able to design the circuitry and build the Apple
computer before anybody else.

Hi,

I have uploaded the fifth beta-test version of eMessage Archiver 4.10.

The file, a Mac Zip Archive file, can be downloaded directly with the following link:

                http://homepage.mac.com/thinkagain/files/eMA410b5.zip

This beta version was created with FileMaker 8.5, which creates a Universal application that also runs natively on Intel Macs, although I used FileMaker 8.0v3 for most of the development work, until recently.

I have not yet updated the web site, so use the above direct link for now.

-- 

I finally tried to get Email Archiver to work with Claris emailer. (I was
having problems with 3.x, never got it working)

This is a non-currupted Emailer, 2.2, 10.4.8, on a Powerbook g4.

I set the preferences, set Emailer to be the incoming and outgoing email
program, and tried to update list.

I get the error, -1712 message is: loading library files: INitialise
Emaikler script: Claris Emailer got an error: AppleEvent timed out.

Am I doing something obviously wrong?

Same happens with and without Emailer running.

I have multiple copies of Emailer. Does that matter?

Mark James
garlic @ veggy.com


Share and share alike, but possession is 9/10ths of the law

On May 9, 2007, at 9:49 am, J Bradley wrote (off-list):

... I’m on PowerPC G5 10.4.9 with Entourage 11.3.3
[snip]

Hi all,

Nice to see some activity on the list :-)

It seems I've set some settings in a way that disables archiving Sent
Mail (using Mail 2.1.1 on an iMac Intel/OS X 10.4.9 and eMA 4.10 -
the most recent). I usually move my sent mail from the Sent Mail-
folder to the subfolders I organize my mail in, so that when I
archive, correspondances are kept together. But recently the messages
with my name in the From-field are not archived. It's worked before,
so I guess it's either something in one of the later betas that's
changed or some setting that I've set wrong. Can anyboduy guide me,
please?

Thanks in advance
Carsten

Hi all,

Nice to see some activity on the list :-)

It seems I've set some settings in a way that disables archiving Sent
Mail (using Mail 2.1.1 on an iMac Intel/OS X 10.4.9 and eMA 4.10 -
the most recent). I usually move my sent mail from the Sent Mail-
folder to the subfolders I organize my mail in, so that when I
archive, correspondances are kept together. But recently the messages
with my name in the From-field are not archived. It's worked before,
so I guess it's either something in one of the later betas that's
changed or some setting that I've set wrong. Can anyboduy guide me,
please?

Thanks in advance
Carsten

 
 

On May 7, 2007, at 1:38 pm, J Bradley wrote:

Having said i didn't have time to check out the new 4.10 beta, i went and did (as it looked so pretty ;) and found a couple of things... (sorry)

Actually, thanks. This is the only problem report, or any report, that I have received so far, after several days. Usually there’s more, so I was beginning to wonder... 

Mainly - most mails from a colleague that uses Google Mail (to send) - and most (80%?) of his mails seem to loose all the line feeds on their way in. It looks like the ones that are ok have extra non-utf-8 plain text chunks in them, but i can't see why - i can send you a source example of each type off-list if this is a new thing

I assume you are archiving from Mail? That’s the only one that should have any problems like that, I think.

It probably is new. I would appreciate you letting me examine them. Just the text source code, pasted into your email; not by reply, forward, etc.

- i'm afraid it means i'll continue to use the old one for now.

Which version of eMA is that? I may want to compare my new code with the old, to see what I did to no longer treat this type of email properly.

A couple of very tiny points - the folder set on the archive page seems to be saved as having set 2 selected - i got a couple of "nothing archived" messages before i twigged it (but then i'm a bit dim ;) 

I happened to have column 2 set, just before uploading. “Twigged” means you selected column 1, right? My preference  has been to select the column of checkboxes that’s nearer to the Mailbox list. I didn’t think about “dim” people. ;-) 

I could make my “Reset All To Default” script set it to column 1.

Anyway, it may be a good idea for me to insert a check at the beginning for no boxes checked and give a specific warning, before calling the AppleScript and letting it go all the way to the end.

Oops! Done. Both. For next update version.

and the "previous" record button ("next" is ok) at the top make the list redraw itself and reset to the first page, but using CTRL/up-arrow in the time honoured way still works fine.

I can’t get the “Prev” button to misbehave in that way. Or any of the others. I even used the “command-left arrow” shortcut, and that worked for me also. On all 5 layouts. 

Can you replicate that problem? If so, let me know which layout (they all have different copies of the main set of buttons, and one may not be fully updated), and any other details you can think of.

Otherwise, the "solution" (application runtime thing) seems to work fine (i had loads of trouble with one around 4.0 and was nervous). Generally the whole app looks and feels much improved - well done! (actually feels to me much more like 4.5 than 4.1)

Worth updating (for me) when the google line feed thing is resolved, apologies for finding work for you.

Glad to hear that. Send me those email sources, so I can check them out, and hopefully fix them. 
-- 
Cheers,
    John

 

 
    

The story i¹d heard (and i think it is probably mostly mythological) was
that the Em@iler codebase was ³sold² to Micro$oft after Claris dropped it,
and it re-emerged as Outlook Express 5 (for Mac ­ was there ever a v4 or
less?), which i used for many moons (too many) and then it was polished up
and repackaged (most re-written i expect) as Entourage ­ which is where i am
now! :)

Sorry for not helping test the latest eMA betas ­ barely time to do my
"proper" archiving these days (still happily using version 4.02 on FMP6) but
i hope i can contribute something to the Open Source project if and when...
one day!

jonny


on 5/5/07 16:47, Bill Williams at bwms@... wrote:

> In Digest Number 825, the person identified as "John Carlsen"
> ThinkAgain@... <mailto:ThinkAgain%40mac.com>  john_carlsen thoughtfully
> said:
>
>> Well, back then Claris was the developer of both Emailer and
>> FileMaker Pro. (My FMP 3 manual says ìClaris FileMaker.î)
>>
>> Claris decided to go with FileMaker products only, dropped Emailer
>> (and its developers), and renamed itself FileMaker Inc.
>>
>> Then Apple got hold of Emailer, and it neither developed it further
>> nor sold it to another developer. It died, with much the same fate as
>> HyperCard (where I first developed eMA, as eMK), after Apple stopped
>> the development on it.
>>
>> So we were both right.   :-)
>
> Well, Em@iler is still alive and well -- there's even a mailing list.
>
> 2.0v3 running happily on a QuickSilver G4 (10.4.9/Classic).
>
> --
> Selah!
> Bwms
>
> -= Apparently if you play a Windows CD backwards you hear satanic
> messages. You think that's bad? If you play it forwards it installs
> Windows! =-
>
  [snip]

Hi John and all

Having said i didn't have time to check out the new 4.10 beta, i went and
did (as it looked so pretty ;) and found a couple of things... (sorry)

Mainly - most mails from a colleague that uses Google Mail (to send) - and
most (80%?) of his mails seem to loose all the line feeds on their way in.
It looks like the ones that are ok have extra non-utf-8 plain text chunks in
them, but i can't see why - i can send you a source example of each type
off-list if this is a new thing - i'm afraid it means i'll continue to use
the old one for now.

A couple of very tiny points - the folder set on the archive page seems to
be saved as having set 2 selected - i got a couple of "nothing archived"
messages before i twigged it (but then i'm a bit dim ;) and the "previous"
record button ("next" is ok) at the top make the list redraw itself and
reset to the first page, but using CTRL/up-arrow in the time honoured way
still works fine.

Otherwise, the "solution" (application runtime thing) seems to work fine (i
had loads of trouble with one around 4.0 and was nervous). Generally the
whole app looks and feels much improved - well done! (actually feels to me
much more like 4.5 than 4.1)

Worth updating (for me) when the google line feed thing is resolved,
apologies for finding work for you.

jonny


on 2/5/07 19:40, John Carlsen at ThinkAgain@... wrote:

>   Hi,
>
> I just sent a notice of the update to b5, but the link tries to download b4. 
> Oops!  Sorry. 
>
> This one works correctly. I used it.
>
> The link I gave, as updated, was correct, but for some reason Mail did not
> update what it downloaded. So here is the correct link, typed in all over:
>
> The file, a Mac Zip Archive file, can be downloaded directly with the
> following link:
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/thinkagain/files/eMA410b5.zip
>
> This beta version was created with FileMaker 8.5, which creates a Universal
> application that also runs natively on Intel Macs,  although I used FileMaker
> 8.0v3 for most of the development work, until recently. 
>
> -- 
> Cheers,
>     John
>
>
>

In Digest Number 825, the person identified as "John Carlsen"
ThinkAgain@... john_carlsen thoughtfully said:

>Well, back then Claris was the developer of both Emailer and
>FileMaker Pro. (My FMP 3 manual says ìClaris FileMaker.î)
>
>Claris decided to go with FileMaker products only, dropped Emailer
>(and its developers), and renamed itself FileMaker Inc.
>
>Then Apple got hold of Emailer, and it neither developed it further
>nor sold it to another developer. It died, with much the same fate as
>HyperCard (where I first developed eMA, as eMK), after Apple stopped
>the development on it.
>
>So we were both right.   :-)

Well, Em@iler is still alive and well -- there's even a mailing list.

2.0v3 running happily on a QuickSilver G4 (10.4.9/Classic).



--
Selah!
Bwms

-= Apparently if you play a Windows CD backwards you hear satanic
messages. You think that's bad? If you play it forwards it installs
Windows! =-