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#1459 From: Michael Mandeville <mwman@...>
Date: Sun Oct 3, 2004 6:10 am
Subject: Update Lite
mwmande
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Regarding this week's Earth Changes Bulletin update, there will not be a
formal complete one as in weeks past.

One of the problems is that I am in transit and not able to get through my
normal routines. I am currently near Sacramento California in Pollack Pines
at 4000 feet elevation in wonderful weather and breathing in as well the
reality of the California political situation.

But the main problem is that EVERYTHING seems to have entered into a zone
of massive transformation and instability of existing conditions, factors,
etc.  I simply cannot get a sense of an overview. I guess the overview
strategic summary is

everything is in rapid change, nothing is as it seems, expect the
unexpected, expect radical shifts.

The flood of information from our network of  fellow Questers is extraordinary.

I will send an update with more information tomorrow. (Friday Oct. 3)

Suffice it to say for the moment:

Job situation is even worse than anyone predicted.

The financial markets are in unstable "hunt" mode up and down tending
towards a general breakdown of confidence.

Grey Davis in California is probably doomed to lose in the
recall.  Everyone widely agrees that Davis is a soulless CENTRIST CAREERIST
(like so many in the U.S. Senate wearing Democratic labels) who in his own
way is as visionless and artless as Bush. People, big numbers of them, want
to do the recall because they WANT TO  KILL CENTRIST DEMOCRATIC POLITICS
and open the situation to the emergence of INNOVATIVE LEADERSHIP. It is a
way of sending a huge raspberry to the existing political order.

Arnold provides a possible catalyst for change and seems to hint of a
return to visionary politics of positive leadership. NONE of the others in
the race provides that sort of charisma.  BUT the stiletto knives of
politics are flashing in all media as of today.  It is being widely
communicated now in California that Arnold has a long professional career
of fondling women by grabbing tits and ass and making comments.  Apparently
he has done up too many to shut the stories up.

Where this is going I do not know nor do I care.  I have no vote in the
state.    As I general rule I think recalls are a waste of time and money.

But this news is petty ante in the larger scheme.

The Earth is clearly still in an accelerated "shape shifting" event. More
details tomorrow.

We have had three months of it and there is no reason to suppose, from the
numbers, whether it will get more or less pronounced in the months ahead.
We are on the edge here watching what may be the beginning of the movement
of the Phoenix unto the tarmac positioning for its "fifth major flight"
since the advent of Atlantis 120,000 AGO.

    Certain locations in the Earth are being repeatedly hit by large quakes
- still even New Zealand, Hokkaido, Central Asia - and quakes around the
Antarctica, in the Great Rift in the Arctic, France and the Pyrenees, these
accounted for almost all of the major quake activity in the Earth this past
week.  All in all, this New Moon Syzygy Window was amazingly high in quake
magnitude and comparatively high in quake frequency.

The activity has been high enough and dramatic enough that the databases
are running generally 24 to 48 hours behind time, so from a moment to
moment basis it is impossible to really know what is going on.

I will relay some of this information on Friday nite on Alex Merklinger's
Millennium Radio Show.

Many are making much of 2003 being a year of disastrous changes yet.  I
personally feel more conservative about it.  I think that we are a little
early and the patterns are not clear enough yet to suggest any timelines.

Geopolitically speaking the disasters are exploding all around.  American
credibility is in the toilet. The world is walking away from all American
connections as quickly as it can without riling up the native "rednecks" on
North America.  The virtual withdrawal of the U.N. mission in Baghdad is an
act of contempt for the Bush Administration. It is another attempt to
communicate to the American people that no one wants to be involved in
anything the incompetent idiots in the U.S. government are currently doing.

The situation is so bad it is impossible to keep up with the details.

The mantra "we broke it and now we must fix it" does not serve Americans
and need not be heeded.    We dared not withdraw from Vietnam, they told
us, and that was total rubbish.  The correct response to deal with that
miserable tragedy was to have immediately withdrawn even before the
elections of 1968.  The simple problem, America is in the hands of managers
so incompetent, it may be best to advocate at this time that France and
Germany undertake the immediate creation of a provisional Iraqi government
to whom sovereignty can be quickly transferred and patrolling American
troops replaced by hiring 1 million Iraqis to patrol every city block and
mile of pipeline in the country.  Another 1 million Iraqis should be hired
to fill all health, education, oil production, construction, and national
coordination needs. The oil in Iraq is fully capable of financing such a
massive undertaking. But American "privateers" cannot bring themselves to
think and act appropriately such a general systems level.













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#1460 From: Michael Mandeville <mwman@...>
Date: Sun Oct 3, 2004 8:13 pm
Subject: Earth Changes Bulletin Update Lite #2 - Oct 3 2003
mwmande
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Earth Changes Bulletin Update Lite #2
as of October 2 or 3, 2003
MW Mandeville

Weekly Update - As seen From Indiana:

Subject: You said MORE in this than your usual!
To: mwman@...


Hey, Michael, good post and right to the nickel!

They say there are now 14 million unemployed, but I think if they'll
concede to THAT, there are more than THAT!  I still see all these
multi-nationals merging, which does lean to the "new world order" and
people in the Midwest USA are losing jobs left and right!  Engineers who
have families to raise go from $50 hr. for highly skilled worked to $9 per
hour with no benefits as shuttle bus drivers!  Of course, bankruptcy looms
because even if you're working you aren't able to pay the bills--which keep
going up.  Ironically, hospitals are being built and expanded all over the
place here...and healthcare benefits are decreasing.  Incomes eroded all
over the place.  The State of Indiana in "workforce development" just
awarded a technology contract for $36 million to India!  The contract was
to retrofit its systems to better manage "joblessness."  Michael, the
people awarding the contract are Democrats!  They excused themselves,
saying no Indiana firms bid on the job...but Indiana companies said they
weren't put in position to be able to bid for the job!  So, dysfunction is
in both camps!  We have colleges LOADED with students graduating with big
debts who can only bus tables at restaurants and we're sending work to
India!  Well, I feel like erupting like you do from time to time!

I agree with you about Iraq.  Two 20+ year old Iraqi citizens living here
talked to a middle school yesterday and told them that American-style
democracy will NEVER work there...but I called the reporter to ask:  Did
they say WHAT WOULD?"  "No...they didn't...."   Too bad.  We need to let
the Iraqis rule...but it is so unstable, the Suni's will kill the
free-spirited, won't they?  I wonder what "Jesus" would do?  Or Buddha?  Or
any other sage of worth?

I say this and think of my nephew now serving in Afghanistan...who I am
sure HATES IT and has lost his belief in the military and "the system"
because he now sees the insanity.  But it took THIS LONG to do that--he's
now 24.

We are living in a time when the changes WILL COME.  Cayce knew this...you
KNOW this.  So, enjoy your mountain-top retreat.  We are getting more and
more destabilized and the wind is going to blow!  Humanity hasn't been
through this for a long time...God, how many times does man have to be
reminded!

Blessings,
Brenda

Thanks Brenda for the thematic overview for the Current State Of American
Lunacy.  The way to catalyze Indiana politics is to take that multi-million
dollar contract to India and use it as the foil for demanding a recall
election of every politician in the chain which enabled it.  Fundamental
betrayal of public fiduciary responsiblity. Recall every one. A committee
of Grandmothers in Indiana could do a better job of governing the state.


We continue now with the Sun.


Solar Flux peaked at 137 on November 1, dead on the Mercury | Saturn
alignment and is down dipping sharpely down, at 125 yesterday.  Such dips
are usually the signal for a sharp decline in sunspots and indeed it is
so.  Sunspots peaked at 140 on September 28 for the alignment and have sunk
down to 75 as of October 2.

The sunspot numbers peaked only two days early for the Mercury | Saturn
alignment and surprisingly was nearly as high as the peak for the Earth |
Mars alignment.

GOOD NEWS:  The average ISSN average number for September as down to
48.8. The ISSN number count is made in the same way as it has been
made  for the past few hundred ways to provide a historical baseline.  This
number is always quite lower than the daily counts by NASA which are
generally reported in the Earth Changes Bulletin. The rapid drop in
this number from this Summer's high of 85 strongly indicates that we have
sliden far down off the Solar Cycle 23 Peak.  Climate and weather patterns
will begin to normalize rapidly now, though December 2003 could be
exceptionally stormy because of the next round of planetary
alignment.  Even though the general averages are way down in the sun spot
counts, the daily "peaks" can still climb well past 100 when the Sun is
stimulated by a planetary alignment.  These temporary peaks will continue
to cause 7-21 day waves of stormy activity and chaos in the Earth's
atmosphere. On the economic scene: Bears and Bulls are in a full fledged
battle. A lot of conflicting information, probably woven with politically
maniputlated "mal-information", such as the "U.S. Labor Department" drastic
downward revision of job lost during August.  Any body who buys politically
re-written numbers was born yesterday and probably deserves what they are
getting out of the Bush administration.

Euro currency stabilizing now with surge in DJI and NASDAQ but this
seesawing back and forth in the stock markets will continue.  The
international scene is too depressing, and the Bush economic management is
now too widely known to be likely to suffer the same fate of failure as
Herbert Hoover nearly 75 years ago:  it is impossible to gain confidence.
The Big Media politcal economic commentary is mostly sheer fantasy borne
out of doltish ignorance.  A debate is forming up about what to do about
China and the huge surge of cheap exports to the U.S. which China's
"policies" have deluged us.  The problem is already being diagnosed as
"China".

Tell the big media to stick this in their ear:

IT AIN'T THE POOR PEOPLE IN CHINA. IT AIN'T THE GOVERNMENT POLICIES OF
THE U.S.(except for monetary policy which needs complete revolutionary
change). ITS MAINLY THE DAMN NESTS OF RATS WHICH COPORATIONS CALL BOARDS OF
DIRECTORS. THE PROBLEM IS WE ARE BEING SYSTEMATICALLY BETRAYED BY THE
COPORATED 1000. IT IS OH SO HIP AND COOL TO BE SO GLOBALLY WIRED. THERE,
TRANSFER JOBS OVERSEAS.  OH OH OH. WE ARE SO GLOBALLY COOL.

To fix this problem, the pundits and pols will push policy nostrums of
various flavors. Pass this law or this policy or this incentive or this
disincentive, and who knows, it might get better.

   GET REAL. DROP THE WORTHLESS ECONOMIC/POLITICAL ABSTRACTIONS. GO THERE TO
THE CORPORATED 1000, SEIZE THE BOARDS, FIX THE PROBLEM WITH A MASSIVE
REGIME CHANGE OF PEOPLE WHO WILL PRODUCE AND BUY AMERICAN GOODS MADE BY
AMERICANS AND SOLD BY REAL AMERICAN CORPORATIONS. The pension funds and
consumer groups could probably force this type of massive change. The
"public corporations" are predominatley thoroughly corrupted by
privateering attitudes and turned into private slush funds for small gangs
of quasi or outright crooked manipulators who have absolutely no public
regard for anything or anyone. The greedsters gotta go, along with the
entire "climate" which breeds them.

This is the main solution and it is the inevitable one. But the pension
funds and other real owners don't quite have the gumption yet to force the
issues.  They don't fully see through the emptiness of
the "globalism" promises.  It will probably take universal bankruptcy at
the bottom of the next depression in 2006/2007 to bring people to the
fullness of their betrayal by the boomer me-first generation.

Volcano Activity
not much change yet
the shape shifting and Great Rift quakes have not brought in increase in
volcanism

5 restless
30 alert status
21 active status
3 puff day for Popo
other continuous erupters are at low ebb for the most part

Most active volcanoes this week are on Kamchatka Peninsula with ash
emissions and crater lava flows building domes.

Quake activity

The quake databases the past two weeks have been behind as much as a couple
of days. Thus on a day such as today it is hard to generalize about exact
counts.

Most of the activity was on Eurasia, with

13 central asia
18 Japan Hokkaido
several to the North of Hokkaido in the Ryukio Islands or in Sakhalin Pennisula
12 in France and Pyranees Mountains

There were a few more in New Zealand

And most significantly, there were
3 quakes around the Antarctic Tectonic Plate 4.9 to 6.0 mag and a 4.8 in
the Great Rift which runs through the Arctic Ocean (close to last week's quake.

The shape-shifting continues, not much abated from July's high.

In addition, micro quake flurries (at least several quakes a week) are
being seen in places like Santa Rosa (Ca), Puerto Rico, Big Island Hawaii,
Long Valley, and the South Edge of the Yellowstone Park.  All of these
areas are volcanic zones. This may or may not be more extensive, I am only
reading USGS charts to see these. What else may be occuring around the
world is anyone's guess.

Best wishes,

Michael Wells Mandeville
Pollack Pines, California

#1461 From: Michael Mandeville <mwman@...>
Date: Mon Oct 4, 2004 10:53 pm
Subject: moon nearly eclipses sun on nov 23 when sun is at the head of scorpion
mwmande
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This is from a subscriber from India who makes some interesting
astrological correlations about the period November 23.  I have nothing to
add nor am I competent to remark on this topic. I pass this on for
informational purposes to people who know what they are doing in this
field.  If you wish to interact with the author of this directly, an email
address is provided below.

Michael

Hi.

I have written to you earlier too. You may probably remember that I
recently took up an annual subscription with you and in turn got access to
the Phoenix Trilogy e-books and the rest of the material on your site. I
had downloaded your three Phoenix e-books and your latest e-book on the
coming economic collapse (all of which I have been been able to till now go
through in a very quick manner but not yet been able to read fully properly).

And then I had also downloaded your 2003 calendar of predictions.Today, I
was just going through this calendar today and to see how the coming
Oct-Nov-Dec moon perigee-new moon combinations (active syzygy periods)
would look in the skies I had kept open my Starry Night sky map software
simultaneously.

I was looking up the November 23 Moon Perigee-New Moon Syzygy (primarily
because this is the only moon perigee-new moon combination which is falling
on the exact same day, for 2003) on Starry Night and got struck by a
unusual observation. I had kept the constellations symbol feature on in
Starry Night. The location set was of course my city, that is, Bombay in
India. On November 23, our Sun enters Scorpius and is exactly at that that
spot which is the head of the scorpion in the constellation's symbol figure.

What was remarkable was that on November 23 late night (early November 24
hours) the moon as it looked on Starry Night was eclipsing the Sun at one
point during the day. The time is 4 am Indian Standard Time which is about
5 hours ahead of Universal Time or erstwhile GMT. So this time would
correspond to roughly 6 pm US Eastern Time of November 23.

Th image at this time looks spectacular but unusual. I am enclosing with
this mail an image file that I managed to extract from the Starry Night.
The attached jpeg file contains this spectacular sight (one is looking east
45 degrees below horizon in this image).

Our Sun is on or very close to the head of the scorpion for 3-4 days only
every year from November 22 to November 25. I checked back for the last few
years for any new Moon during these 3-4 days. I went back upto 1995. Only
in 1995 there was a new moon but which came nowhere close to eclisping the
Sun (on Starry Night). On the rest of the years from 1996 to 2002 there was
no new moon during the period of 3-4 days when Sun is on or close to the
head of the scorpion figure.

Is it just me or is there really something significant about Moon eclipsing
Sun on exactly the day when Sun is at the head of the scorpion? From a
stellar-oursolarsystem-earthmoon point of view, at least.

I thought I should at least share this with you.

Your thoughts on it would be most welcome by me.

Thanks.

Bright regards
Rajesh Gajra
rgajra@...

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#1462 From: Michael Mandeville <mwman@...>
Date: Mon Oct 4, 2004 11:18 pm
Subject: Re: Touch-screen voting (a possible solution?)
mwmande
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Re:  the system proposed below for error free audit-trail voting allowing
computer counting.  This is part of the solution.  The actual voting
process proposed is probably the best, if implemented with the right gear.

BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THE PROCESS IS A RIGOROUSLY DEFINED OPEN
SYSTEMS PROTOCOL FOR COUNTING THE VOTES.  DEMS, REPUBS, INDEPENDENTS such
as U.N. OBSERVERS, or UPI, or L.A. Times, SHOULD ALL BE ABLE TO WATCH IN
PLACE AS THE COUNT TAKES PLACE WITH ANY SIMPLE ASCII UNIX COMPATIBLE CODED
COUNTER (NOT NETWORKED OR HOOKED TO TELEPHONES AND WIRELESS SCHEMES) WHICH
CAN BE BROUGHT IN BY VARIOUS GROUPS, even simultaneously, TO COUNT THE
BALLOTS AS MANY TIMES AS NECESSARY ON MULTIPLE DEVICES TO REACH REASONABLE
CONSENSUS.
All call in of counts should be publicly viewable and made by voice.  NONE
OF THE VOTING NOR THE TABULATION DATABASES SHOULD BE CONNECTED IN ANY WAY
WITH THE INTERNET OR DIGITAL ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATION CHANNELS BECAUSE THEY
CAN ALL BE INTERRUPTED AND MANIPULATED.

The computers and the internet is great for a lot of stuff, but not for the
final votes which really count.  There must be a rock solid paper-voice
analog audit trail.


At 09:57 PM 10/2/2003, you wrote:


>-----Original Message-----
>From: Lmarndt@... [mailto:Lmarndt@...]
>Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 9:47 PM
>To: DeeSimmon@...; rainlyre5@...
>Subject: Touch-screen voting
>
>
>Hi Dee!
>
>I've been thinking a lot about the potential for mischief in this type of
>voting, and I had an idea. I'm running it by you & Kimber to see what you
>may
>think.
>
>Any touch-screen voting machine MUST print a scannable paper ballot, which
>is
>then viewed by the voter. If correct, it is then inserted in a scanner that
>is in no way connected to the touch-screen machine. If the ballot is in any
>way
>wrong (which really should not happen), the scanner spits it out, the vote
>is
>deleted on BOTH machines, and the voter goes through the process again.
>
>At the end of the day, each machine prints out its result. THESE TWO FIGURES
>SHOULD BE EXACTLY THE SAME. If they are NOT, then the paper ballots can be
>re-scanned and/or hand-counted. I suppose there could be a fractional
>percentage
>of difference that might be allowed, but there should be NONE if both
>machines
>are working properly.
>
>Advantage: Absolute accuracy.
>
>Disadvantage: Initial cost of transition could double. HOWEVER--we're
>sinking
>some $164 BILLION into Iraq and Afghanistan, with nothing to sho
>
>Your comments?
>
>Louisa

#1463 From: Michael Mandeville <mwman@...>
Date: Mon Oct 4, 2004 11:23 pm
Subject: Yellowstone -what about it
mwmande
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At 07:17 PM 10/1/2003, you wrote:
>Michael:
>     This hit my inbox today.  You live closer to the area.  Is there
>anything here
>true and reportable?
>Larry
>
>
>  --- grimalkin_q <grimalkin_q@...> wrote:
>  To: apfn-1@yahoogroups.com
>  From: "grimalkin_q" <grimalkin_q@...>
>  Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 17:33:23 -0000
>  Subject: [apfn-1] OT: Yellowstone just made
>  FoxNews(radio) - Boiling ground
>
>  For anyone interested in the situation at
>Yellowstone, a friend just called and told me that
>on the hourly FoxNEWS on a local RADIO station that
>they stated that many trails have recently been
>cordoned off, due to **BOILING** ground....
>
>  And that, for the *first* time in approximately 30
>years, the Boiling Geyser at Yellowstone erupted
>TWICE today.

At Yellowstone there are no dramatic changes augering a big event.  Only
tiny changes which are typical of any active but relatively inert volcanic
field.   BUT Yellowstone should be intensively wired, monitored and
studied.  A big event could easily start up after a three to six month
acceleration process in local changes.

#1464 From: Michael Mandeville <mwman@...>
Date: Mon Oct 4, 2004 11:52 pm
Subject: Re: Update Lite
mwmande
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At 07:15 AM 10/3/2003, you wrote:
>Michael-
>
>Grey Davis may be a  career centrist, but he is the only one who has
>had the guts to stand up to deregulation which has strangled this power
>grid of this country; that's why the Republicans want him out.
>
>You MUST read "Fingerprints of the Gods" by Graham Hancock - it will
>give you better perspective about what the earth changes are and why
>and when they are happening.



Yes I know this Peggy. But Davis, as were all Democrats, was virtually
asleep at the switch on the Enron scam. With all the powers of government
and experts, his cliques could not smell the obvious.  This lonely old
desert rat in the hills of Arizona could smell the stench even as it was
happening.  SOMETHING WRONG SERIOUSLY WITH CENTRIST DEMOCRATS.  My believe
about them is that they are "faux" democrats, meaning that they are there
for the cushy jobs and will hobnob with whatever money action roles into
town.  We need vision and principles which will lead to a real world with
people able to lead real lives free of the intense predator culture which
now surrounds us and has corrupted and eroded nearly everything beyond
belief.  Look where the dominant active political culture of men on this
continent indulge in civic worship and connection:  the mega sports
stadiums.  That is the most important clue for seeing this culture for what
it has really devolved down into.

I am intimately familiar with Hancock's work.  It is excellent.  I followed
his work up years ago by investigating Cayce's predictions and statements
about Egypt and the ancient precursor civilization. I wish you could get
him to read my "Return of the Phoenix" Trilogy for it shows how to tie the
many findings of the past few hundred years together into a broader
scenario than he has yet found on this own devices.

#1465 From: Michael Mandeville <mwman@...>
Date: Tue Oct 5, 2004 4:06 am
Subject: Re: Touch-screen voting (a possible solution?)
mwmande
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At 05:53 PM 10/4/2003, you wrote:
>Hi Michael,
>
>I was thinking; regardless if the powers that be go to computerized voting -
>what if we start telling people, starting now, that if computerized voting
>machines are used in their districts then they should get an absentee ballot
>and mail in their vote rather than let the machines choose for them.  If all
>the anti-Bush votes are from absentee ballots there will be a recountable
>record of theses votes.  I don't see how this can fail.  Do you?
>
>Namaste,
>
>Glenn
>
>The Hermit


Dear Hermit:  You have nailed it clearly smack dab on the center point of
the head.   This simple idea will work wonderfully, perhaps not perfectly,
but I suspect rather well to safeguard a lot of elections.  It should be
made into a national campaign.  I think this idea should be passed around
to give it some political juice.

Yours, Michael

>Re:  the system proposed below for error free audit-trail voting allowing
>computer counting.  This is part of the solution.  The actual voting
>process proposed is probably the best, if implemented with the right gear.
>
>BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THE PROCESS IS A RIGOROUSLY DEFINED OPEN
>SYSTEMS PROTOCOL FOR COUNTING THE VOTES.  DEMS, REPUBS, INDEPENDENTS such
>as U.N. OBSERVERS, or UPI, or L.A. Times, SHOULD ALL BE ABLE TO WATCH IN
>PLACE AS THE COUNT TAKES PLACE WITH ANY SIMPLE ASCII UNIX COMPATIBLE CODED
>COUNTER (NOT NETWORKED OR HOOKED TO TELEPHONES AND WIRELESS SCHEMES) WHICH
>CAN BE BROUGHT IN BY VARIOUS GROUPS, even simultaneously, TO COUNT THE
>BALLOTS AS MANY TIMES AS NECESSARY ON MULTIPLE DEVICES TO REACH REASONABLE
>CONSENSUS.
>All call in of counts should be publicly viewable and made by voice.  NONE
>OF THE VOTING NOR THE TABULATION DATABASES SHOULD BE CONNECTED IN ANY WAY
>WITH THE INTERNET OR DIGITAL ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATION CHANNELS BECAUSE THEY
>CAN ALL BE INTERRUPTED AND MANIPULATED.
>
>The computers and the internet is great for a lot of stuff, but not for the
>final votes which really count.  There must be a rock solid paper-voice
>analog audit trail.

#1466 From: Michael Mandeville <mwman@...>
Date: Tue Oct 5, 2004 4:08 am
Subject: Some Notes On Recent Research On Pre-Egypt
mwmande
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From: BBush0712@...
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 22:07:34 EDT
Subject: General note for Michael
To: mwman@...

I saw someone had suggested you read Graham Hancock's work...about an
ancient pre-civilization in Egypt.  Forgot to share with you that David
Hatcher Childress has had Stephen Mehler at his last 2 annual conferences,
the author of "The Land of Osiris"...which is all about Ancient Khemit
(pre-Egypt).  David's company published Mehler's book and Mehler is working
closely with Chris Dunn--a great duo!  Also, Mehler is a former Rosicrucian
researcher...

Maybe you already know this...but Mehler's book was really compelling in
thesis...I didn't know the Nile used to be 50 miles to the west of its
current position.  (I don't know a lot of things!)  I have yet to see any
interfaces with Gregg Braden's work...but who knows...they all may
eventually dovetail.

Blessings,
Brenda

#1467 From: Michael Mandeville <mwman@...>
Date: Tue Oct 5, 2004 4:11 am
Subject: Re: Abolish Columbus Day!
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To MWM

Osiyo!
Your Cherokee friend, Azurae Windwalker here.  I totally agree with dumping
Andrew Jackson.  The s.o.b. sold short the Cherokees (who saved his life in
the Battle of Moccasin Bend)  by ignoring ther senate and supreme court to
sent a lot of us down the trail of tears.  If the truth be know, his real
reason for this was not as much money and greed for the Cherokee lands as
his hatred for the strong role Cherokee women had in treaty making and
political affairs.  He didn't want white women getting anybig ideas.  We
have yet to totally catch up with the balance of power that eastern woodlan
tribal women and men had.

When I lived in Nashville we used to picket his home on Andy Jackson Day and
use his face for blow gun targets!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Mandeville" <mwman@...>
To: <phoenix-quest@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 12:55 AM
Subject: Re: [phoenix-quest] Abolish Columbus Day!


  >
  > Thanks for sharing this.  I strongly believe that the Quest Fellowship
  > should tune in as strongly as possible to the spiritual voices in the
  > traditional indiginous cultures. Against the rising tide of Zorastrian
  > negativity which is promulgated by many nominal Christian groups and
  > networks, the shamanistic practices and connections provide strong
positive
  > connections to the Earth and reconnecting to people as people in the Great
  > Spirit of unity.
  >
  > Along with dumping Columbus Day, which maybe should be made into Great
  > Spirit of Peace Day, we should ignite the consciousness to dump the $20
  > U.S. racist Andrew Jackson bill
  >
  >   But to tell you the truth of my feeling, there is so much going on now
  > that everything is showing great signs of instability. More and more is
  > unraveling.  It is getting harder and harder to figure out what is going
to
  > fall first.....
  >
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  >
  >
  > At 01:46 PM 10/2/2003, you wrote:
  >
  > >Wambli Ho News, Special Report:
  > >
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  > >THREE DAYS IN SACRED POLITICS:
  > >The Peltier Events September 2003:
  > >A Report of Impressions and Photographs
  > >by Stephanie M. Schwartz, Correspondent and Editor
  > >Wambli Ho, Voice of the Eagles
  > >www.wambliho.com
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  > >Leonard Peltier, symbol of political oppression, cultural annihilation,
  > >and desecration of all that is Traditional to the Lakota, Dakota, and
  > >Nakota Siouxan Nations has, over the last twenty-seven years, come to
  > >symbolize the same issues for all indigenous people around the world.
His
  > >name is a banner cry to all those who seek to stand against unfair
  > >systems, injustice, and political machinations.  And, over the years, the
  > >fight and efforts to free him have become a sacred crusade to those who
  > >walk in Traditional Ways and to those who seek to help and protect
  > >Traditional Indigenous Ways and the Indigenous Cultures.
  > >
  > >Oddly, while mainstream America remains virtually ignorant of this
man......
  > >For Much, Much More, Go to....
  > >Wambli Ho News Special Report: Leonard Peltier Events September 2003
  > >www.wambliho.com/WambliHoReport_Sep2003.html
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  > >or
  > >Transform Columbus Day -- Denver, CO -- October 10-14th, 2002
  > >www.transformcolumbusday.org/
  > >
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  > >
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#1468 From: Michael Mandeville <mwman@...>
Date: Tue Oct 5, 2004 4:20 am
Subject: Fw: Arnold Unplugged
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MWM:  Oh My, said the Church Lady, now isn't THAT interesting:


ARNOLD UNPLUGGED
It's hasta la vista to $9 billion if the Governator is selected

by Greg Palast
Friday October 3, 2003

It's not what Arnold Schwarzenegger did to the girls a decade back that
should raise an eyebrow.  According to a series of memoranda our office
obtained today, it's his dalliance with the boys in a hotel room just
two years ago that's the real scandal.

The wannabe governor has yet to deny that on May 17, 2001, at the
Peninsula Hotel in Los Angeles, he had consensual political intercourse
with Enron chieftain Kenneth Lay.  Also frolicking with Arnold and Ken
was convicted stock swindler Mike Milken.

Now, thirty-four pages of internal Enron memoranda have just come
through this reporter's fax machine tell all about the tryst between
Maria's husband and the corporate con men.  It turns out that
Schwarzenegger knowingly joined the hush-hush encounter as part of a
campaign to sabotage a Davis-Bustamante plan to make Enron and other
power pirates then ravaging California pay back the $9 billion in
illicit profits they carried off.

Here's the story Arnold doesn't want you to hear.  The biggest single
threat to Ken Lay and the electricity lords is a private lawsuit filed
last year under California's unique Civil Code provision 17200, the
"Unfair Business Practices Act."  This litigation, heading to trial now
in Los Angeles, would make the power companies return the $9 billion
they filched from California electricity and gas customers.

It takes real cojones to bring such a suit.  Who's the plaintiff taking
on the bad guys?  Cruz Bustamante, Lieutenant Governor and reluctant
leading candidate against Schwarzenegger.

Now follow the action.  One month after Cruz brings suit, Enron's Lay
calls an emergency secret meeting in L.A. of his political
buck-buddies, including Arnold.  Their plan, to undercut Davis
(according to Enron memos) and "solve" the energy crisis -- that is,
make the Bustamante legal threat go away.

How can that be done?  Follow the trail with me.

While Bustamante's kicking Enron butt in court, the Davis
Administration is simultaneously demanding that George Bush's energy
regulators order the $9 billion refund.   Don't hold your breath:
Bush's Federal Energy Regulatory Commission is headed by a guy proposed
by . Ken Lay.

But Bush's boys on the commission have a problem.  The evidence against
the electricity barons is rock solid:  fraudulent reporting of sales
transactions, megawatt "laundering," fake power delivery scheduling and
straight out conspiracy (including meetings in hotel rooms).

So the Bush commissioners cook up a terrific scheme:  charge the
companies with conspiracy but offer them, behind closed doors, deals in
which they have to pay only two cents on each dollar they filched.

Problem:  the slap-on-the-wrist refunds won't sail if the Governor of
California won't play along.  Solution:  Re-call the Governor.

New Problem:  the guy most likely to replace Davis is not Mr.
Musclehead, but Cruz Bustamante,  even a bigger threat to the power
companies than Davis.  Solution:  smear Cruz  because -- heaven forbid!
    he took donations from Injuns (instead of Ken Lay).

The pay-off?  Once Arnold is Governor, he blesses the sweetheart
settlements with the power companies.  When that happens, Bustamante's
court cases are probably lost.  There aren't many judges who will let a
case go to trial to protect a state if that a governor has already
allowed the matter to be "settled" by a regulatory agency.

So think about this.  The state of California is in the hole by $8
billion for the coming year.  That's chump change next to the $8
TRILLION in deficits and surplus losses planned and incurred by George
Bush.  Nevertheless, the $8 billion deficit is the hanging rope
California's right wing is using to lynch Governor Davis.

Yet only Davis and Bustamante are taking direct against to get back the
$9 billion that was vacuumed out of the state by Enron, Reliant,
Dynegy, Williams Company and the other Texas bandits who squeezed the
state by the bulbs.

But if Arnold is selected, it's 'hasta la vista' to the $9 billion.
When the electricity emperors whistle, Arnold comes -- to the Peninsula
Hotel or the Governor's mansion.  The he-man turns pussycat and curls
up in their lap.

I asked Mr. Muscle's PR people to comment on the new Enron memos -- and
his strange silence on Bustamante's suit or Davis' petition.  But
Arnold was too busy shaving off his Hitlerian mustache to respond.


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#1469 From: Michael Mandeville <mwman@...>
Date: Wed Oct 6, 2004 3:58 am
Subject: eclipse on the head of scorpion is "astronomical" not astrological
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Thanks, Michael, for throwing it open for others to comment if they see
something unusual too.

One clarification though. Its not an astrological corelation but an
astronomical one. I use Starry
Night software for astronomical observations.

Best.
Rajesh



From: "Michael Mandeville" <mwman@...>
To: <earthchange-bulletins@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: <rgajra@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 4:23 AM
Subject: [earthchange-bulletins] moon nearly eclipses sun on nov 23 when
sun is at the head of
scorpion


This is from a subscriber from India who makes some interesting
astrological correlations about the period November 23.  I have nothing to
add nor am I competent to remark on this topic. I pass this on for
informational purposes to people who know what they are doing in this
field.  If you wish to interact with the author of this directly, an email
address is provided below.

Michael

Hi.

I have written to you earlier too. You may probably remember that I
recently took up an annual subscription with you and in turn got access to
the Phoenix Trilogy e-books and the rest of the material on your site. I
had downloaded your three Phoenix e-books and your latest e-book on the
coming economic collapse (all of which I have been been able to till now go
through in a very quick manner but not yet been able to read fully properly).

And then I had also downloaded your 2003 calendar of predictions.Today, I
was just going through this calendar today and to see how the coming
Oct-Nov-Dec moon perigee-new moon combinations (active syzygy periods)
would look in the skies I had kept open my Starry Night sky map software
simultaneously.

I was looking up the November 23 Moon Perigee-New Moon Syzygy (primarily
because this is the only moon perigee-new moon combination which is falling
on the exact same day, for 2003) on Starry Night and got struck by a
unusual observation. I had kept the constellations symbol feature on in
Starry Night. The location set was of course my city, that is, Bombay in
India. On November 23, our Sun enters Scorpius and is exactly at that that
spot which is the head of the scorpion in the constellation's symbol figure.

What was remarkable was that on November 23 late night (early November 24
hours) the moon as it looked on Starry Night was eclipsing the Sun at one
point during the day. The time is 4 am Indian Standard Time which is about
5 hours ahead of Universal Time or erstwhile GMT. So this time would
correspond to roughly 6 pm US Eastern Time of November 23.

Th image at this time looks spectacular but unusual. I am enclosing with
this mail an image file that I managed to extract from the Starry Night.
The attached jpeg file contains this spectacular sight (one is looking east
45 degrees below horizon in this image).

Our Sun is on or very close to the head of the scorpion for 3-4 days only
every year from November 22 to November 25. I checked back for the last few
years for any new Moon during these 3-4 days. I went back upto 1995. Only
in 1995 there was a new moon but which came nowhere close to eclisping the
Sun (on Starry Night). On the rest of the years from 1996 to 2002 there was
no new moon during the period of 3-4 days when Sun is on or close to the
head of the scorpion figure.

Is it just me or is there really something significant about Moon eclipsing
Sun on exactly the day when Sun is at the head of the scorpion? From a
stellar-oursolarsystem-earthmoon point of view, at least.

I thought I should at least share this with you.

Your thoughts on it would be most welcome by me.

Thanks.

Bright regards
Rajesh Gajra
rgajra@...

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#1470 From: Michael Mandeville <mwman@...>
Date: Wed Oct 6, 2004 4:00 am
Subject: Re: Touch-screen voting (a possible solution?)
mwmande
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Hi Miichael, Hi Glenn,
.
This sounds so simple and so  wonderful, if it can be shown to be
effective in nullifying manipulations; as well as, providing each person
with a receipt of their election votes for a back up. I will begin
spreading this idea to my friends, other groups, and my choice of
democratic campaigns.
.
I would Love to see this work Glenn. Thank you so much for your input.
Thanks Michael for putting your stamp of approval on this too. I know it
is only one idea, like a diamond in the ruff :) , but with the fact that
it is already in implementation, means that it is a viable and feasible
solution that should ensure voter security. And when people start
wanting to send their gratitude to the one who thought it up, I will
send them to you. Such a simple solution, and such a brilliant one too.
:)
.
Love, Peace, and Light
.
Dianna
"Dream Weaver" <MysticWinds_1@...>

#1471 From: Michael Mandeville <mwman@...>
Date: Wed Oct 6, 2004 4:56 am
Subject: Karma Coming Home To Roost
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The Bush Administration and the Imperial Faction is facing a devastating
political reaction which is rapidly gaining strength. The Times Are A
Changing and the action has barely begun. I doubt that Michael Moore's new
book will hold up in some of its main claims but doubtless the call for
impeaching the main officials of the Federal government as it exists will
resound mightily nevertheless.  Currently MoveOn.Org is organizing waves of
"impeachment marches" which will become more and more visable after the
Washington DC march on Oct. 25th.

As the push to immediate impeachment procedes,  a tidal wave of negativity
will be unleashed against the persons of Bush and his Imperial Faction
Cohorts.  In a sense, Bush will become the focal point for an enormous
amount of ill will in the Democratic and radical left which Republican
negative attack ads and war agit-prop have created during the past 10 years
or so.  Karma is coming home to the Republican White House.

This is hugely significant because such negativity impacts the targets on a
psychic/emotional level.  We will see Bush visibly age 10 years during the
next one year.  Such negativity also totally undermines a leader's
credibility and ability to engender enough trust to move people to new
decisions.  Bush will find it harder and harder to decide anything.

The internet is playing an historically important role in rapidly
disseminating and consolidating this negative reaction wave.  We can
already see that the old elite ways of playing dirty politics are being
neutralized by the cheap methods of communication which the internet
affords.  Play the bully and you will be staring at your own reflection on
the ipond coming back to attack you.

Example:  Already, new psychic attack forms have reached historical levels
of rancor against Bush.  Here below are two destructive tools which I
suspect will be very widely experienced throughout the world.

    Subject: Bush regime deck of cards

To view (and download, if you like), go to
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ire.net/IMG/pdf/bushregimedeck.pdf
Require Acrobat
reader.

And then there is:


   ...IT'S A  SONG ABOUT ...
   OUR PRESIDENT
   BY A WONDERFUL
PROGRESSIVE GROUP
LOL

<http://www.ericblumrich.com/idiot.html>CLICK HERE


...OR...
CUT AND PAST THIS

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#1472 From: Michael Mandeville <mwman@...>
Date: Wed Oct 6, 2004 5:32 am
Subject: Are the spiraling reactions now completely out of control?
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As politics spiral out of control in the U.S., international activity is
spiraling out of control in the Middle East.  Today Israel sent bombers
deep into Syria to bomb what it claims is a Hamas base.  This will end in
nearly complete isolation of the U.S. and Israel in the U.N.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/100603C.shtml

the picture is getting grimmer and grimmer for the closing months of this year.

Where are the optimistic notes?  I am having a hard time finding them.

#1473 From: Michael Mandeville <mwman@...>
Date: Wed Oct 6, 2004 9:52 pm
Subject: Giggles Provide The Bright Side
mwmande
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Well, at least one subscriber rose to the challenge and found some bright sides to the clouds.  They are great new insights on the meanings of previously mundane terms. Here is what Penny sent me.
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Hi Michael,
 
Got this from the Langalist e mail newsletter, which is a site
giving tips for PC users and other stuff.  I thought you might
get a chuckle out of it.
 
Peace and Love
Penny
 
Today, reader Ken Thomson sends along these financial
definitions:
 
      CEO ... Chief Embezzlement Officer
      CFO ... Corporate Fraud Officer
      MBA ... Master of Bogus Accounting
      BULL MARKET ... A random market movement causing an       investor to mistake himself for a financial genius.
      BEAR MARKET ... An extended period when kids get no allowance, the wife gets no jewelry, and the husband gets no sex.
      VALUE INVESTING ... The art of buying low, and selling lower.
      P/E RATIO ... The percentage of investors wetting their pants as the market goes lower.
      BROKER ... What my broker has made me.
      STANDARD & POOR ... My life in a nutshell.
      STOCK ANALYST ... Idiot who just downgraded my stock.
      STOCK SPLIT ... When your ex-wife and her lawyer split your
      assets between them.
      FINANCIAL PLANNER ... A guy whose phone has been disconnected.
      MARKET CORRECTION ... The day after I buy stocks.
      CASH FLOW ... The movement my money makes as it disappears down the toilet.
      YAHOO ... What you yell after selling it to some poor sucker.
      WINDOWS 2000 ... What you jump out of when you are the poor sucker above.
      INSTITUTIONAL INVESTOR ... Last year's investor who is now
      locked up in a nuthouse.
      PROFIT ... an archaic word, no longer in use.
      401K ... now known as only a 201K.
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#1474 From: Michael Mandeville <mwman@...>
Date: Thu Oct 7, 2004 3:06 am
Subject: If you know anyone in Cali please fwd: Seven Reasons Why You Absolutely, Positively MUST Vote on Oct. 7:
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Subscribers In California:  Go vote.  There are an enormous number of
credibility issues beginning to swirl around Arnold.  It appears that his
handling of the "Nazi" fascinations of his youth is not honest.  A number
of other questions about his veracity have come to the fore so that I think
a recall affirmation is foolish at this point. If you are in the dark or
think that there are some major unknowns, or some potential problems, vote
conservative, vote no.  If you think otherwise, do what you think best to do.

At 12:55 PM 10/6/2003, you wrote:
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Zack Exley, MoveOn.org PAC [mailto:moveon-help@...]
>Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 10:44 AM
>To: Kimberbeth Simmons
>Subject: Seven Reasons to Vote on Oct. 7
>
>Dear Friend,
>
>Please forward this email to anyone you think should read it -- this is
>once again a very close race and tomorrow every single vote will count.
>Also keep in mind that many usual polling places will be closed this
>election. <http://moveon.org/pac/recall/materials.html>You can click here
>to look up your polling place. And forward this to your friends so they
>can look up their polling places as well.
>
>Join our effort to bring
>'at-risk voters' to the polls:
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>[]
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><http://moveon.org/pac/recall/materials.html>Click here to look up your
>polling place.
>In some counties, regular polling places will be closed.
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>NO ON RECALL!
>NO ON PROP 54!
>
>Seven Reasons Why You Absolutely, Positively MUST Vote on Oct. 7:
>
>1. Your vote matters. If you don't vote, Schwarzenegger becomes your
>governor. It's that simple. A poll conducted Wednesday through Saturday
>showed support for the recall and Schwarzenegger dropping fast. This
>election could be decided by a very small number of votes. We can win
>this, but your vote is absolutely necessary.
>(<http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/6935056.htm>The Mercury News)
>
>2. Arnold Schwarzenegger is a Pete Wilson sequel. Governor Pete Wilson
>grew state spending much faster than Gray Davis ever has. Worse, he
>championed energy deregulation and in 1996 signed the bill that
>deregulated energy in California. Wilson opened the gates to let his
>energy pals rob the state blind. And now he and his former team are
>running Schwarzenegger's campaign and choosing his policies. Even more
>troubling: Schwarzenegger seems to be in bed with the same energy
>interests as Wilson (See #7). We want to see Terminator 4, not Wilson 2.
>(<http://www.townhall.com/columnists/davidhorowitz/dh20030813.shtml>Horowitz,
><http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2003/08/11/enron/index_np.html>Conason)
>
>3. We have no idea what Schwarzenegger is going to do with California, and
>neither does he. He doesn't have a plan to balance the budget. He hasn't
>said what cuts he'll make or what taxes he'll raise. California needs a
>real leader, not someone who plays one in the movies. You may be
>frustrated with the way things are now -- but if Schwarzenegger had a plan
>to make them better, don't you think he would have told us about it?
>
>4. He lied about taking money from special interests. The night he
>announced his candidacy on the Jay Leno show he told us, "As you know, I
>don't need to take money from anyone. I have plenty of money myself." He
>then turned right around and accepted over $10 million not from "special"
>interests, but rather, as he explained it, "business and individuals,
>absolutely. They're powerful interests who control things."
>(<http://www.sacbee.com/content/politics/recall/story/7177561p-8124497c.html>Sa\
ramento
>Bee,
><http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/09/03/mgrind.day.schwarzdebates/>CNN)
>
>5. Arnold Schwarzenegger might belong on the sex offender registry, but
>not in the governor's mansion. So far 15 credible women have come forward
>with stories of being physically assaulted by this man -- some only a few
>years ago. He has not denied some of the stories (in fact, he said "where
>there's smoke, there's fire"). He has tried to chalk his mistakes up to
>"rowdiness." But these incidents constitute a string of crimes that would
>land anyone except a multi-millionaire actor in jail and on the sex
>offender registry.
>(<http://www.rsicopyright.com/ics/fulfillment/eprint.html?rep=202:4651&icl=3.55\
55.697170-43635>Los
>Angeles Times,
><http://www.nynewsday.com/news/la-me-women5oct05,0,1512867.story?coll=nyc-topne\
ws-short-navigation>Newsday)
>
>
>6. The Nazi stuff is serious. Who cares how long ago it was that Arnold
>Schwarzenegger said that he wanted to have an experience "like Hitler in
>the Nuremberg stadium, and have all those people scream at you and just
>being in total agreement with whatever you say." That's scary! And now
><http://www.rsicopyright.com/ics/fulfillment/eprint.html?rep=201:4984&icl=3.555\
5.681283-48755>nuns
>are being roughed up at Schwarzenegger rallies. A film maker who worked
>closely with Schwarzenegger in the '70s says he saw him playing "Nazi
>marching songs from long-playing records in his collection at home." At
>his 1988 wedding Schwarzenegger toasted a confirmed Nazi war criminal,
>Kurt Waldheim, saying "My friends don't want me to mention Kurt's name,
>because of all the recent Nazi stuff and the U.N. controversy, but I love
>him and Maria does too, and so thank you, Kurt." Where there's smoke,
>there's fire! (<http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/03/national/03BOOK.html>New
>York Times, <http://slate.msn.com/id/2086742/>Slate,
><http://www.sacbee.com/content/politics/story/7549159p-8490621c.html>Sacramento
>Bee,
><http://www.rsicopyright.com/ics/fulfillment/eprint.html?rep=201:4984&icl=3.555\
5.681283-48755>Los
>Angeles Times)
>
>7. Because Schwarzenegger STILL hasn't explained why he met with Enron's
>Kenneth Lay at the height of the energy crisis. Schwarzenegger attended a
>meeting of top business leaders and Republican politicians on May 17, 2001
>that was apparently held to thwart a Davis-Bustamante plan to recover $9
>billion from energy companies. He still hasn't explained why he was there
>or whether his candidacy for Governor was discussed at that meeting. And
>he's refusing to talk to reporters in these last days of the campaign.
>(<http://www.sanmateocountytimes.com/Stories/0,1413,87~11268~1678362,00.html>Sa\
n
>Mateo Times, <http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/utilities/pr/pr003708.php3>FTCR)
>
>Please forward this email to your friends, family and coworkers -- this
>race is too close to call, and it's crucial that every single one of us
>votes. To look up polling places for yourself or your friends click here:
>
><http://moveon.org/pac/recall/materials.html>http://moveon.org/pac/recall/mater\
ials.html
>
>
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>turn out thousands of "unlikely voters" by clicking here:
>
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>
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#1475 From: Michael Mandeville <mwman@...>
Date: Thu Oct 7, 2004 5:09 am
Subject: Bigger Than Watergate, Bigger Than The Lies of WMD
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ITEMS: Bigger Than Watergate, Bigger Than The Lies of WMD

MWM: The Hermit composed this for us.  I recommend the widest possible distribution of this article through all email groups, blogs, and websites

Important:  There is serious danger that the American election process is about to lose it's last remnant of validity as described in the article below.  I think the only way we can make our votes count is to take advantage of absentee ballots if you live in a district that uses computerized (Touch Screen) voting machines.  This will accomplish four things:  It will make it more difficult to tamper with your vote, it will provide election officials with a hard copy for recounting, it will demonstrate that we Americans cherish our voting rights and make the introduction of Touch Screen voting more labor intensive for all of the absentee ballots to count, forcing election officials to provide a means of balloting that voters trust.  I think this is essential if we are to have free and fair elections in America.  In California's recall election there has been an increase in the number of absentee balloting as these canny voters have taken it upon themselves to ensure their votes are counted.  If you are not registered to vote I hope you now understand the value of voting, even if it's a choice between the lesser of two evils, and get out and register and vote.  Find out what the procedures are for absentee balloting in you district and get a ballot early.  Please follow this suggestion and pass this information to as many people as you can.  If this simple information is circulated on the Internet we will be able to have enough people to make a difference for the future generations of our country.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0307/S00064.htm

Bigger Than Watergate!
Sludge Report #154
By C.D. Sludge

Tuesday 08 July 2003

The story you are about to read is in this writer's view the biggest political scandal in American history, if not global history. And it is being broken today here in New Zealand.

This story cuts to the bone the machinery of democracy in America today. Democracy is the only protection we have against despotic and arbitrary government, and this story is deeply disturbing.

Imagine if you will that you are a political interest group that wishes to control forevermore the levers of power. Imagine further that you know you are likely to implement a highly unpopular political agenda, and you do not wish to be removed by a ballot driven backlash.

One way to accomplish this outcome would be to adopt the Mugabe (Zimbabwe) or Hun Sen (Cambodia) approach. You agree to hold elections, but simultaneously arrest, imprison and beat your opponents and their supporters. You stuff ballot boxes, disenfranchise voters who are unlikely to vote for you, distort electoral boundaries and provide insufficient polling stations in areas full of opposition supporters.

However as so many despots have discovered, eventually such techniques always fail ­ often violently. Hence, if you are a truly ambitious political dynasty you have to be a bit more subtle about your methods.

Imagine then if it were possible to somehow subvert the voting process itself in such a way that you could steal elections without anybody knowing.

Imagine for example if you could:

  a.. secure control of the companies that make the voting machines and vote counting software;


  b.. centralise vote counting systems, and politicise their supervision;


  c.. legislate for the adoption of such systems throughout your domain, and provide large amounts of money for the purchase of these systems;


  d.. establish systems of vote counting that effectively prevent anybody on the ground in the election ­ at a booth or precinct level - from seeing what is happening at a micro-level;


  e.. get all the major media to sign up to a single exit-polling system that you also control ­ removing the risk of exit-polling showing up your shenanigans.

And imagine further that you install a backdoor, or numerous backdoors, in the vote counting systems you have built that enable you to manipulate the tabulation of results in real time as they are coming in.

Such a system would enable you to intervene in precisely the minimum number of races necessary to ensure that you won a majority on election night. On the basis of polling you could pick your marginal seats and thus keep your tweaking to a bare minimum.

Such a system would enable you to minimise the risks of discovery of your activities.

Such a system would enable you to target and remove individual political opponents who were too successful, too popular or too inquisitive.

And most importantly of all, such a system would enable you to accomplish all the above without the public being in the least aware of what you were doing. When confronted with the awfulness of your programme they would be forced to concede that at least it is the result of a democratic process.

How To Rig An Election In The United States

So how would such a system actually work?

Well one way to run such a corrupt electoral system might look like this:

  a.. Each voting precinct (or booth) could be fitted with electronic voting systems, optical scanning systems, punch card voting systems or the more modern touchscreen electronic voting machines;


  b.. At the close of play each day the booth/precinct supervisor could be under instructions to compile an electronic record of the votes cast in their booth;


  c.. They might print out a report that contains only the details of the total votes count for that precinct/booth, and then file via modem the full electronic record of votes through to the County supervisor;


  d.. The County Supervisor could be equipped with a special piece of software and a bank of modems that enables all these results to be received and tabulated in the internals of the computer;


  e.. The County Supervisors themselves could be assured that their system was bullet proof, certified and contained tamper-protection mechanisms par excellence;


  f.. The Country Supervisor could be given a range of tools for looking at the data within this software, but nothing to enable them to directly manipulate the results;


  g.. But unbeknownst to the County Supervisor the software could actually create three separate records of the voting data;


  h.. Meanwhile - also unbeknownst to the County Supervisor - these three tables of voting data could be in fact completely insecure and accessible simply through a common database programme, say Microsoft Access;


  i.. Having the three tables would enable you to keep the real data in place ­ so the system could pass spot tests on individual precincts and booth results (should a precinct supervisor be particularly astute) -while simultaneously enabling you to manipulate the bottom line result;


  j.. Finally you might also enhance the election hacker's powers by including within the software a utility to enable them to cover their tracks by changing the date and time stamps on files and remove evidence of your tampering.

Fantasy Becomes Reality

The above description of a corrupt voting system is not the result of an overactive imagination. Rather it is the result of a extensive research by computer programmers and journalists working around the globe. Principally it is the work of investigative Journalist Bev Harris, author of the soon to be published book " Black Box Voting: Ballot Tampering In The 21st Century "

And most important of all it is the result of research focussed on investigating the actual software distributed by one of the largest voting systems companies operating in the recent U.S. Elections.

CAVEAT: It is important to note that the research into this subject has not established that the files we have been working on were in fact in situ in County Election Supervisors offices at the last election ­ nor have we proof that the back door we have discovered - which might enable the rigging of elections - was actually used in any recent election. However it is the considered opinion of all those involved in this investigation that it is not up to us as journalists or programmers to prove that elections were rigged, rather it is a responsibility of the electoral system itself to prove its integrity.

What you read here amounts to revelation of evidence of motive, opportunity, method, prior conduct , and a variety of items of, consistent unexplained circumstantial evidence . Significantly we do not believe we have sufficient resources to complete this investigation to its conclusion and are therefore making available our findings to the media, community organisations, political parties, computer scientists and geeks in the anticipation that they will pick up the torch and take extend this inquiry into every county in the United States.

How We Discovered The Backdoor

The story of how this story emerged is a great tale in itself, most of which has already been told in this report by Bev Harris.
System Integrity Flaw Discovreed at Diebold Election Systems

The short version of the story is relatively simple.

In the course of investigating the issue of the integrity of new electronic voting machines Bev Harris learned that people around the world had been downloading from an open FTP site belonging to Diebold Election Systems one of the leading manufactures of voting systems.

This website contained several gigabytes of files including manuals, source codes and installation versions of numerous parts of the Diebold voting system, and of its vote counting programme GEMS.

Realising we had stumbled across what might be the equivalent of the Pentagon Papers for elections, the full contents of this website have been secured around the world at several locations. The original website was itself taken down on January 29th 2003.

We can now reveal for the first time the location of a complete online copy of the original data set. As we anticipate attempts to prevent the distribution of this information we encourage supporters of democracy to make copies of these files and to make them available on websites and file sharing networks.
Go to Original Data

As many of the files are zip password protected you may need some assistance in opening them, we have found that the utility available at the following URL works well:
Go to LostPassword

Finally some of the zip files are partially damaged, but these too can be read by using the utility at:
Go to Zip-Repair

At this stage in this inquiry we do not believe that we have come even remotely close to investigating all aspects of this data. I.E. There is no reason to believe that the security flaws discovered so far are the only ones.

Finally, for obvious reasons it is important that this information is distributed as widely as possible as quickly as possible. We encourage all web bloggers, web publishers and web media to re-publish and link to this article and to its companion article by Bev Harris which contains detailed descriptions of how to use the GEMS software to rig an election.:

To conclude this overview article I will make a few more comments on the evidence we have thus far that the U.S. election system has been compromised. As stated earlier we do not at this stage have proof that it has in fact been compromised through this method, just a great deal of circumstantial evidence that it could have been.

If this was Watergate, we are effectively at the point of discovering evidence of a break-in and have received the call from deep-throat telling us that should dig much deeper.

Proof will follow in time we expect, but only if the work we have begun is completed and this inquiry is taken into every corner of the U.S. electoral system.

Evidence Of Motive

This is probably the easiest part of this puzzle to get your head around. The motivation of the Republican Party in general and the current administration in particular to gain ever greater amounts of power - by whatever means possible and damn the consequences - is evidenced most recently in the Supreme Court's partisan appointment of George Bush Jr. as President, the attempt to recall California Governor Gray Davis, and the Ken Starr investigation and attempted impeachment of President Clinton.

Evidence Of Opportunity

Republican connected control over the major election systems companies in the United States has been thoroughly researched.

Bob Urosevich, CEO of Diebold Election Systems is also the founder of ES&S, a competing voting machine company. Together these two companies are responsible for tallying around 80% of votes cast in the United States. Also significant, from what we can determine about the architecture of the software, is that its basic structure was specifically a creation of Mr. Urosevich's company I-Mark.

For more background on Diebold Systems connections to the Republican Party see:
Diebold - The Face Of Modern Ballot Tampering

Meanwhile Presidential wannabee and Republican Party United States Senator Chuck Hagel has been directly connected to ES&S via his campaign finance director, Michael McCarthy, who has admitted that Senator Hagel still owns a beneficial interest in the ES&S parent company, the McCarthy Group.
Senate Ethics Director Resigns; Senator Hagel Admits Owning Voting Machine Company

Evidence Of Method

The evidence of method has been detailed in a companion article by Bev Harris, author of the soon to be published block-buster Black Box Voting  Inside A U.S. Election Vote Counting Program
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0307/S00065.htm

In this article ­ which contains screenshots from the software and detailed instructions on how one might rig an election - Bev Harris explains security flaws thus:

The GEMS election file contains more than one "set of books." They are hidden from the person running the GEMS program, but you can see them if you go into Microsoft Access.

You might look at it like this: Suppose you have votes on paper ballots, and you pile all the paper ballots in room one. Then, you make a copy of all the ballots and put the stack of copies in room 2.

You then leave the door open to room 2, so that people can come in and out, replacing some of the votes in the stack with their own.

You could have some sort of security device that would tell you if any of the copies of votes in room 2 have been changed, but you opt not to.

Now, suppose you want to count the votes. Should you count them from room 1 (original votes)? Or should you count them from room 2, where they may or may not be the same as room 1? What Diebold chose to do in the files we examined was to count the votes from "room 2."

Evidence Of Prior Conduct

It is a recorded fact that every system of balloting established in America has been gamed and rigged. I.E. America's political practitioners have a very long history of ballot rigging and vote tampering. This is nothing new and evidence of the sort we have uncovered has been long predicted by computer scientists such as Dr Rebecca Mercuri.

In more recent history investigative Journalist Greg Palast has documented in detail Katherine Harris's use of electronic data matching technologies to disenfranchise thousands of Florida voters in advance of the 2000 Presidential election.

We highly recommend readers purchase a copy of  The Best Democracy Money Can Buy by Greg Palast to read much more about this.

A compendium of links on Palast's investigations can be found via a Google search on:
"greg palast florida katherine harris"

Consistent Unexplained Circumstantial Evidence

During the 2002 Mid-term there were numerous reports of unusual happenings in counties throughout the United States.

Among the phenomena reported were voting numbers suddenly fluctuating in the middle of the counting process, something you might expect to see if the backdoor identified above were used clumsily.

An organisation called Votewatch was set up during the 2002 elections to record unusual happenings and its archives can be viewed here:
Go to Archives

It will suffice here to cite a couple of specific examples ­ these are excerpts from the soon to be published  Black Box Voting: Ballot Tampering In The 21st Century. These examples of actual events are consistent with the existence and use of an electronic vote counting hack described above.

  November 1990, Seattle, Washington - Worse than the butterfly ballot, some Democratic candidates watched votes alight, then flutter away. Democrat Al Williams saw 90 votes wander off his tally between election night and the following day, though no new counting had been done. At the same time, his opponent, Republican Tom Tangen, gained 32 votes. At one point several hundred ballots added to returns didn’t result in any increase in the number of votes. But elsewhere, the number of votes added exceeded the number of additional ballots counted. A Republican candidate achieved an amazing surge in his absentee percentage for no apparent reason. And no one seemed to notice (until a determined Democratic candidate started demanding an answer) that the machines simply forgot to count 14,000 votes.

  November 1996, Bergen County, New Jersey - Democrats told Bergen County Clerk Kathleen Donovan to come up with a better explanation for mysterious swings in vote totals. Donovan blamed voting computers for conflicting tallies that rose and fell by 8,000 or 9,000 votes. The swings perplexed candidates of both parties. For example, the Republican incumbent, Anthony Cassano, had won by about 7,000 votes as of the day after the election but his lead evaporated later. One candidate actually lost 1,600 votes during the counting. “How could something like that possibly happen?” asked Michael Guarino, Cassano’s Democratic challenger. “Something is screwed up here.”

  November 1999, Onondaga County, New York - Computers gave the election to the wrong candidate, then gave it back. Bob Faulkner, a political newcomer, went to bed on Election Night confident he had helped complete a Republican sweep of three open council seats. But after Onondaga County Board of Elections staffers rechecked the totals, Faulkner had lost to Democratic incumbent Elaine Lytel.

  April 2002, Johnson County, Kansas - Johnson County’s new Diebold touch screen machines, proclaimed a success on election night, did not work as well as originally believed. Incorrect vote totals were discovered in six races, three of them contested, leaving county election officials scrambling to make sure the unofficial results were accurate. Johnson County Election Commissioner Connie Schmidt checked the machines and found that the computers had under- and over-reported hundreds of votes. “The machines performed terrifically,” said Bob Urosevich, CEO of Diebold Election Systems. “The anomaly showed up on the reporting part.”

  The problem, however, was so perplexing that Schmidt asked the Board of Canvassers to order a hand re-count to make sure the results were accurate. Unfortunately, the touch screen machines did away with the ballots, so the only way to do a hand recount is to have the machine print its internal data page by page. Diebold tried to re-create the error in hopes of correcting it. “I wish I had an answer,” Urosevich said. In some cases, vote totals changed dramatically.

  November 2002, Comal County, Texas - A Texas-sized lack of curiosity about discrepancies: The uncanny coincidence of three winning Republican candidates in a row tallying up exactly 18,181 votes each was called weird, but apparently no one thought it was weird enough to audit. Conversion to alphabet: 18181 18181 18181 ahaha ahaha ahaha

  November 2002, Baldwin County, Alabama - No one at the voting machine company can explain the mystery votes that changed after polling places had closed, flipping the election from the Democratic winner to a Republican in the Alabama governor’s race. “Something happened. I don’t have enough intelligence to say exactly what,” said Mark Kelley of ES&S. Baldwin County results showed that Democrat Don Siegelman earned enough votes to win the state of Alabama. All the observers went home. The next morning, however, 6,300 of Siegelman’s votes inexplicably had disappeared, and the election was handed to Republican Bob Riley. A recount was requested, but denied.

  November 2002, New York - Voting machine tallies impounded in New York: Software programming errors hampered and confused the vote tally on election night and most of the next day, causing elections officials to pull the plug on the vote-reporting Web site. Commissioners ordered that the voting machine tallies be impounded, and they were guarded overnight by a Monroe County deputy sheriff.

  November 2002, Georgia - Election officials lost their memory: Fulton County election officials said that memory cards from 67 electronic voting machines had been misplaced, so ballots cast on those machines were left out of previously announced vote totals. No hand count can shine any light on this; the entire state of Georgia went to touch-screen machines with no physical record of the vote. Fifty-six cards, containing 2,180 ballots, were located, but 11 memory cards still were missing two days after the election: Bibb County and Glynn County each had one card missing after the initial vote count. When DeKalb County election officials went home early Wednesday morning, they were missing 10 cards.


#1476 From: Michael Mandeville <mwman@...>
Date: Thu Oct 7, 2004 6:24 pm
Subject: A Letter To The Reporters and Editors of the American News Media
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Dear Earth Changes Bulletin Subscribers: I am currently looking up email
addresses to send this message below one by one to all the editors and
reporters in the American News Media, starting with the biggest ones. I
will greatly appreciate any help I can receive in contacting all the radio
talk show hosts, TV Broadcast News personalities and shows, major newspaper
editors, book publishers, and so forth.  Please do send this on to everyone
you know.  Or send me any tips you care to.

A Letter To The Reporters and Editors of the American News Media:

You have got to be fed up by now with the history-breaking levels of lying,
manipulation and political con which is flooding the United States.

I don't know how you can not be disturbed deeply about the apparent
"virtual" take-over of this country by coteries of right wing nuts and an
"Imperial Faction" of people (so-called neo-cons) who are manipulating  the
administration of George Bush Junior. And do you not-so-secretly suspect
that John Ashcroft is a dyed-in-the-wool fascist whose continued presence
in office is a grave danger to the U.S. Constitution and is racking up "war
crimes" liability for the American people?

How about the economy?  Any concerns?  Isn't it hard not to be astounded by
the progressive collapse of the American economy while massive capital and
job transfers are pushing the people of North America in droves across the
poverty line.  Isn't it even more amazing that the Republicrats and
Demolicans are in total denial while tooting a non-existant recovery?

What is really bothersome is the seemingly infinite capacity of your news
organization to report the Republicrat "news" with a straight face as if it
were facts.  Aren't you ready to wake up and realize you have been conned?

These some of the top questions of the day and below there is a URL to an
essay called "The Global Media Shift" which analyzes in detail the
contribution of your own news organization to pushing the U.S. into an
unwanted, unnecessary, and crooked war.

You may find that essay and this missive valuable for outlining a few steps
for combating the systematic lying, corporate looting, and social
destruction which the Republicrats have let loose in America while leading
its citizens into more and more foreign entanglements in which the American
people NEVER GAIN ANYTHING.

Step Number One.  I can offer you and your audience an interesting
discussion on these issues, which can include some of the salient
information from my new book "The Coming Economic Collapse of 2006". It
projects where the current wing nut weirdness and economic malaise is going
- the book is for people who are mad as hell at American politics,
government, and corporations, not to mention the Mass Hysteria Broadcast
Media which shilled the Republicrat Invasion of Iraq.

My book is especially for people who are extremely nervous about the
economy and their future.  How many people are wondering what's coming on
down the pike and what kind of cover to seek?  How many are wondering if
the U.S. even has an economic future now that high paying skilled jobs are
simply disappearing along with manufacturing?

My book provides a synopsis of the overall strategic situation of the
American people on all levels, circa 2001-2008. I believe that this book
helps create a climate of opinion which helps your efforts and the efforts
of all people who are deeply concerned about the extreme conditions which
have been created in this country by an incompetent Republican government.

I  take the plot line of the past three years and fast forward through to
2008 to lay out the trends and dynamics in a broad historical context.  The
book covers all the great current issues of war, elitism, globalism,
economic stress, and the Bush administration's enormous Big Lies and tragic
refusal to get on square one with reality.  All this is framed into the
larger historical context of the past 100 years in which one can plainly
see the historical cycles which will bring a crash in the economy by 2006
amidst widespread international disillusionment with the United States. We
can spend time giving your audiences an awful lot of valuable tips and
perspectives for combating the mantras of the sorcerers in the Mass
Hysteria Broadcast Media.

Or are you really one the right wing sorcerers in disguise?

Step Number Two: We could do a Special Series debunking the failing
economic/political system as is currently run by America's little-rich-kid
boomer bubbleheads.  I could help you provide something like a backgrounder
on the political maneuvers and economic happenings of the week. Shouldn't
be too hard.  My neighbors have better sense than half the instant expert
talking head dorks you guys turn into national newsmakers.

Or, Step Number Three: Another alternative is the delivery of a weekly
"Strategic Summary" of the political and economic situation as seen from a
planetary level of perspective.  I have been offering a weekly internet
newszine for a few years and have gotten rather good at predicting what was
going to happen sooner or later.  My 1000 or so subscribers will
undoubtedly confirm to you, if you ask them, that my track record is right
on the money most of the time for economic and political affairs.  By doing
this weekly assessment, I developed the content for "The Coming Economic
Collapse of 2006".

You can see one of my most current strategic summaries at:
http://www.michaelmandeville.com/collapse2006/EarthChanges_StrategicSummary_Sept\
17_2003.pdf

Based on my "systems level" strategic assessments, I can pretty much
outline some aspects of the political and economic futures of Iraq,
Palestine, the U.S., and a good portion of Eurasia through to roughly 2010.
My track record to date is nearly 100 per cent.

As an example, in May 2002 I laid out exactly what would happen politically
at all levels IF Bush diverted from searching out Bin Laden and fighting
terrorists to go after Saddam.  I explained that Bush would polarize the
world against himself and America with his imperious rhetoric, worsen the
economic scene with greater instabilities, would stalemate American
government into a bitter divide, and would totally fuzz out the War On
Terrorism and the efforts in Afghanistan.  I even predicted Al Qaeda would
regroup if the target became Saddam.  In December 2002, when it was clear
that the Imperial Faction really was going to make war, I predicted that
the U.N. would become Bush's chief opponent. Just before the invasion
began, I predicted that Bush was creating a terrible tragedy for the
American people, equivalent to the no-win in Viet Nam.  Before the invasion
was finished, I predicted Bush would probably end up as a one term
president in the midst of a failed economic system.

I also predicted that one of the biggest casualties of these years would be
the Mass Hysteria Broadcast Media, which would finally be seen primarily as
a manipulative shill for agit-prop by the Bush administration and the
Republicrat Big Money it represents.

That's plenty but here are some more of the issues I pose.  I want to make
sure you are getting your money's worth for reading this missive.

Are your holding your breath about how fast the nations of the world will
get in line and do what King George demands they do to create the new Iraqi
Democracy? Doesn't' it tend to blow your corks that King George The Junior
and his cronies have no clue how to work democratically within
international institutions to make war and peace on a sound basis under
law, like through the United Nations, but have  the amazing gaul to
proclaim that the Travesty in Iraq is all about how the U.S. will now bring
Freedom and Democracy to the liberated Iraqi people?

Aren't you even more disturbed that some members of Bush's Imperial Faction
are planning and advocating more wars after Iraq, wars to take out
conservative Arab regimes and aggressive, radical Muslims in Iran, Syria,
Saudia Arabia, Sudan, Libya , and elsewhere, mostly places which have BIG
OIL FIELDS? Don't Bush's cronies seem to be serving an agenda of
international conquest to enrich their companies in the oil
industry?  Doesn't this give you especially "creepy" feelings.

Or are you one of these turkeys?

And can anything in history top the con job with the so-called, TA DA,
"weapons of mass destruction"?  The Republican and political insiders
solemnly claimed they had all this top secret real good information about
the for sure top secret locations of the top secret weapons of mass
destruction which they know for certain, secretly of course, was really
there once upon a time, at least, maybe, but they can't explain why because
it is all very top secret and thus only top secret experts in the top
secret Senate committees are going to do a top secret investigation of the
top secret weapons of mass destruction.

Is this Keystone Cops? Is it Loony Tunes?  A bad nightmare? Or what?

AND YOUR NEWS ORGANIZATION REPORTED THAT CRAP WITH A STRAIGHT FACE.

Don't you think the American people, hey why not the world, deserve some
serious dialogue along these lines on at least a weekly basis.   One of my
subscribers tells me he reads the Wall Street Journal daily and then reads
me for the antidote!

Okay, that's enough! Sorry, got carried away.  You have the flavor of what
I can do, what I do do. I don't actually froth at the mouth, I have
actually a lot of experience as a seminar leader, lecturer and public
speaker, even a fair number of radio shows, including Coast To Coast AM,
Lou Gentile, Alex Merklinger, and some other local markets.  I even taught
a course on American government and politics at the University of
Washington in a former lifetime.  I use a lot of creative word play to
build perspectives for people but I am a systems scientist with a good
grasp of real facts and am careful in how I generalize from them. I try to
be an objective observer with no overt party orientation.

My book is available in two forms:  ebook and paperback. I will send the
ebook to media reviewers if you email me at mwman@...  If you
want the paperback version, you will have to buy it at the website because
frankly I cannot afford otherwise.

I know you are too probably busy to read my book in its entirety so for
your purposes I highly recommend that you look at the sample chapter
-  "The Global Media Shift".

Download from:
http://www.michaelmandeville.com/collapse2006/The_Global_Media_Shift.pdf

It tattles on you.

It outlines the essence of what we are struggling with in the media -
jingoism, imperialism, and mass broadcast media manipulation of
politics.  There are some very powerful conceptual strategic tools
there.  You will see in there why I recommend that you use the "Imperial
Faction" terminology to describe the neo-conservatives.  It cuts to the
chase and connects to the perennial populism of both the right and the left.

To help you evaluate this proposal,  below is a "book announcement" and a
URL which will connect you with a detailed review of the book. Naturally I
am also fishing for good reviews and/or for constructive criticism which
can improve the book in later editions.

Sincerely yours,  Michael W. Mandeville

P.S. I am available practically any time for interviews, if you choose to
interview me for your media.

_________________________________________________
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I am sending you a notification about a book announcement in hopes that you
might want to review the book. If so, please send instructions to whom I
should send a review copy. I can send an ebook version for instant review
and keyword searching.  And/or I can send a print copy in the mail.  Let me
know what you want at mwman@...


A New Populist Broadside: "The Coming Economic Collapse of 2006"

by Michael Wells Mandeville
michaelmandeville.com
Arizona, September 16, 2003
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A book announcement for a hard-hitting populist critique of Century 21
America is now available on the web in html or pdf format.  The
announcement includes abstracts of the book, color graphics of the cover,
and links to the Table Of Contents and a sample chapter titled "The Global
Media Shift".  It is available at:

http://www.michaelmandeville.com/collapse2006/collapse2006_bookannounce.htm

The author takes the plot line of the past three years and fast forwards
through to 2008 to lay out the trends and dynamics in a broad historical
context.  The book covers all the great current issues of war, elitism,
globalism, economic stress, and the Bush administration's enormous Big Lies
and tragic refusal to see reality.  All this is framed into the larger
historical context of the past 100 years in which one can plainly see the
historical cycles which will bring a crash in the economy by 2006, no
matter who wins elections in 2004 and 2006.

Here is what Jeff Rense had to say about the book at rense.com:

"Best wishes for the book...you are CORRECT in your views"

No doubt Rense said that  because the book systematically delivers a
withering populist critique of Century 21 America. The book, like Michael
Moore's diatribes, is designed to provoke sharp reactions and controversy .
By writing the book in the first person account, the author invites every
person handling media, politics, the economy, and money to eventually read
the book and get outraged enough to send the posse out after him for
telling too many secrets or after the Republicrats who have brought the
country to economic ruin and international disgrace.  Every person with a
401K or pension plan and every journalist, TV editor, and reporter in the
world needs to witness the author's roasting of the Mass Hysteria Broadcast
Media, CNN in particular.


Michael Wells Mandeville
MetaSyn Media
michaelmandeville.com

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ITEMS: IMPORTANT LEAD RELATED TO CHEMTRAILS

Here is a direct, inadvertent slip of the tongue admission from government sources in NASA about global atmospheric experimentation on us lab rats.  Take this away you who are focused on the Chemtrails conspiracy.  Track down all aspects of this research program, the satellite, the scientists involved, the whole cloth of this.  You will find the money and the people who connected at least partly to the Chemtrails Conspiracy.

LOOK FOR THE KEY WORD "aerosols"

GREEN BLOBS IN THE SKY: NASA's ICESat satellite is crisscrossing the globe at 17,000 mph using a green laser to ping clouds, forests, ice sheets and other features on our planet. On Sept. 30th, ICESat flew over Bonneville Salt Flats, Utah, where scientists were waiting to take this picture of the laser in action:

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The series of glowing green spots are caused by laser pulses illuminating thin clouds or aerosols in the atmosphere. Captured in an 8-second camera exposure, the spots are separated by about 170 meters and by less than 3 hundredths of a second. In a clear sky, the laser light from the satellite would appear as a bright green star. The white streak in the image is from lights on an aircraft used to photograph laser spots that penetrated the clouds and lit up the ground below. [more]



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Date: Fri Oct 8, 2004 9:35 pm
Subject: check out spaceweather.com for "aerosols"
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I got the story quote related to chemtrails from (this changes daily so do capture it immediately)

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#1479 From: Michael Mandeville <mwman@...>
Date: Fri Oct 8, 2004 11:00 pm
Subject: Earth Changes Bulletin Update Lite October 8 2003
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ITEMS:  Earth Changes Bulletin Update Lite October 8 2003
(please excuse spelling errors because while I am California I am writing these
posts without benefit of a spell checker).


Solar Flux peaked at 137 on October 1, dead on the Mercury | Saturn alignment
and is dipping down to a new platau  of 112 as of yesterday.

It should be dipping down more rapidly and this may be a sign the average
Sunspot Count is going to stay higher than it should for awhile.

Sunspots peaked at 140 on September 28 for the alignment and have sunk down to a
hilly platau near about 75 since October 2.

Even so, climate and weather patterns will begin to normalize rapidly now that
the numbers are below 100, though December 2003 could be exceptionally stormy
because of the next round of planetary alignment.  Even though the general
averages are way down in the sun spot counts, the daily "peaks" can still climb
well past 100 when the Sun is stimulated by a planetary alignment.  These
temporary peaks will continue to cause 7-21 day waves of stormy activity and
chaos in the Earth's atmosphere.


At the moment, weather, atmosphere, and Sun over North America suggests calm
continuation of a long Indian Summer.  Virtually no distubances on the U of
Alaska's Fluxgate Monitor, modest solar wind, little stormy activity on the sun,
little chance of solar explosions or new flares, the Jet stream looks
wonderfully normal, go enjoy the next weekend outdoors.

Polar Motion:  The track of the North Spin Axis is showing some definite
perturbation.  Currently the track is at near the peak of the X Wave (on the X
graph) which can be seen at
http://www.michaelmandeville.com/earthmonitor/topten_monitor.htm

At the tip of the current wave, one can see a distinct disturbance.  Rather than
a smooth arch, the wave is showing a jaggie.  This signals that the location of
the North Spin Axis of the Earth is NOT returning or moving in a balanced even
manner from the direction of the Pacific hemisphere, there is a resistence in
the motion pulling it toward the Pacific hemisphere more strongly than towards
the Atlantic hemisphere.

THIS DOUBTLESSLY CONNECTS WITH THE SHAPE SHIFTING OF THE EARTH AND THE
PREDOMINANCE OF RECENT QUAKE ACTIVITY IN ASIA. I SURE WISH THIS CORRELATION WORK
COULD BE DONE ON SUPERCOMPUTERS WITH ADVANCED GRAPHICS CAPABILITY TO PAINT THE
PIXTURES OF THESE CONNECTIONS THROUGH THE FLOW OF TIME.

On the economic scene: much the same.

Most of the mass media "news" is full of short-sighted over-generalization,
deliberate manipulation by bulls and bears, with a strange potpouri of real and
fake information coming from political circles. STay clear of all of it, just
know that

ECONOMICALLY, THINGS REMAIN HIGHLY UNSTABLE AND ESSENTIALLY UNPREDICTABLE FOR
ALL SHORT TERMS CALLS.  Nothing normal is being observed right now.  Nobody
really knows what they are talking about. IF THERE ARE JOB GAINS IN THE U.S.
now, they surely aren't good paying ones, for the most part.  Technology and
manufacturing closures and transfers in the U.S. are being announced on nearly a
daily basis. This Giant Sucking Sound appears to me to be more convincing than
the Republicrat globalist propaganda from government sources which the Mass
Hysteria Broadcast Media spreads like manure over the mental landscape.

Euro stabilizing now with surge in DJI and NASDAQ but this seesawing back and
forth in the stock markets will continue. Today both the dollar and the DJI
slipped, the dollar now at 0.8462 for one euro, showing a continued weakening -
now fairly slow.

The international scene is too depressing, and the Bush economic management is
now too widely known to be likely to suffer the same fate of failure as Herbert
Hoover nearly 75 years ago:  it is impossible to gain confidence. -
internationally.

Domestically, the majority of Americans are still in the thrall of Mass
Broadcast Media fantasies of the American Dream nurished under the Republicrat
Faux-Centrist Sun. I doubt even God knows to where the majority can be bolted by
the Sorcerers of the Mass Media.

It looks like the economic books will be cooked to support a continued slow dip
in the value of the dollar while contriving to pump up the DJI and stock markets
with "signs of recovery" of demand and profits. Some analysts think this is
impossible, but they are thinking theoretically. I have infinite faith in the
capacity of the elites to cook the books and give the appearance of white
rabbits coming out of hats. Accordingly, expect the DJI to float and seem to
stabilize at least a little past 10,000 no later than the summer of 2004 to last
past the elections of 2004.  Enjoy, this will be the last hurrah, perhaps of
this fourth age of the Earth (IHM).  Afterwards it will come down in a fairly
brisk descent.

GEO-POLITICALLY:

As predicted vociferously all year: a mess getting worse all the time. The
Middle VietNam East is a political nightmare seeking incandescence.  A "recall"
of the Bush administration is a good idea but is not likely to happen.  Already
some of the populist rhetoric, such as some of Michael Moore's more strident
trumpheting, is "tilting" out of control into gross over-generalization,
beginning to give the aroma of leftist lies, thusly creating fractionalization
where alignment might be possible.

As a nation of liars, we must get on the Liars Anonomous program of abstention
as the only cure.

Regardless, the political season of the next 13 months is guaranteed to be the
most entertaining of our lifetimes.

Why did Swarzenegger win?  Simple.  Rejection of traditional Republicrat
politics and Faux-Centrist Democratic politicians who are so disconnected from
real people they propose arrogant, uncomfotable solutions.  A vote for
Swarzenegger was a huge raspberry against the political factions.  It was most
likely MOST PRODUCED by the hiddeously confisticatory TRIPLING OF THE AUTO
LICENSE FEE in California which was already quite high.  While GM is trying to
get new cars into buyers hands with no downs and no interest, Grey Davis wanted
to raise the entry cost to a new car by four to ten thousand dollars.  The man
was stark raving politically foolish and it shows how divorced from reality the
faux-centrists really are.

Volcano Activity
not much change yet
the shape shifting and Great Rift quakes have not brought an increase in
volcanism

It was a 7 puff day for Popo yesterday
other continuous erupters are at low ebb for the most part

There has been in recent days a new flow of lava appear down from Kilauea.  SWVC
has some new spectacular pictures of the new flows. See
http://www.swvrc.org/cerupt.htm

Volcanic activity abated on Sakhalin and Kamchatka in the North Eastern Pacific
but flared with modest new emissions from a few volcanoes in Costa Rica, Latin
America, and Malaysia.  Etna and many other current erupters remain quietly
sullen, displaying small signs of activity, but little or slight emissions.


Quake activity
(this discussion below is focused on 2.5 plus magnitude quakes in the USGS
database)

Quake activity the past five days was substantially down as it should have been
but today we can already see the beginning of the Full Moon Syzygy.  Earlier
today a 6.5 quake struck in Hokkaido, Japan after five days of nine other 
quakes in the 4.0 to 6.0 range. This on top of the 18 major shakes in the
preceding ten day period.

A great portion of the world's quake activity this past five days was once again
relatd to Eurasia - Poland, France, Iran, Russia.  But only one quake struck
Central Asia, a 4.2, which was a sharp fall off from the 13 quakes, mostly
larger, which struck Central Asia during the preceding ten days.  Even so, we
can say that the Eurasian Plate was still the most active.

Over all, quake activity spread out more randomly throught the usual places in
the South Pacific, South America, and along the West Coast of North America.
Five major shakes quaked New Zealand once again, mainly 4 to 5 pointers. A 4.2
mag quake struck the Nothern end of the Baja Plate, near the delta of the
Colorado River.

There were 2 new quakes in the Great Rift which runs from the Arctic Ocean down
into the Atlantic near the South tip of Greenland. Accordingly, we can say that
the shape-shifting of the whole Earth continues. But since there was no activity
along the margins of the Antarctic Tectonic Plate, it would appear that
shape-shifting was diminishing this last five days

In addition, the micro quake flurries (generally 1.0 to 2.5 or so in magnitude) 
are still being seen in places like Santa Rosa (Ca), Puerto Rico, Big Island
Hawaii, Long Valley, and the South Edge of the Yellowstone Park. But overall
micro quake activity was down in North America and in nearly all areas there in.

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#1480 From: Michael Mandeville <mwman@...>
Date: Fri Oct 8, 2004 11:07 pm
Subject: Recommended Reading On Donald Rumsfeld And The Mid Vietnam East
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ITEMS: Recommended Reading On Donald Rumsfeld  And The Mid Vietnam East

This of course from a British newspaper. 

Donald Rumsfeld

Washington's warlord

Leader
Wednesday October 8, 2003
The Guardian


Signs abound that Donald Rumsfeld's star is waning. One year ago, the abrasive US defence secretary was a formidable political force. Buoyed by the overthrow of the Taliban, masterminding the military build-up against Iraq and regularly outflanking the state department's Colin Powell in Washington power games, the Pentagon chief dominated policy-making to a remarkable degree. His brusque manner and sharp suits made him a media celebrity and an unlikely pin-up. Mr Rumsfeld had become the unchallenged warlord of George Bush's "war on terror".

What a difference a year makes, as Geoff Hoon might say. Mr Bush's decision, announced this week, to take overall executive control of political, counter-terrorism and reconstruction policy in Iraq and Afghanistan out of the Pentagon's hands amounts to a vote of no confidence in Mr Rumsfeld. Officials insist that is not the case. But that is how it will certainly be seen as power shifts to a newly expanded national security council led by Mr Bush's close confidant, Condoleezza Rice. This is damage control at it most dramatic, for never before has the NSC been afforded an overt operational role.

And yet the reasons for it are plain enough. US soldiers are dying; the financial cost grows ruinous, even for America's deep pockets. Other countries are still mostly refusing to help out; there is diplomatic stalemate at the UN. Afghanistan may be turning sour, too. And all this amid an alarming deterioration in overall Middle East security. With the war now widely discredited, Iraq is fast becoming a millstone around Mr Bush's neck. All the polls show it. The White House fears it. For much of this, Mr Rumsfeld bears frontline responsibility. When once he took the credit, now he increasingly takes the blame.

This is only fair. Mr Rumsfeld's Iraq campaign plan was fatally flawed from the start. He underestimated the number of troops required and was unable to halt Iraq's descent into post-Saddam, post-sanctions chaos. His appointment of Jay Garner as Iraq's overseer was a disaster, symptomatic of a deeper, astonishing failure to grasp the sheer scale of the reconstruction challenge.

In a way, Mr Rumsfeld misled himself. His shadowy Office of Special Plans bypassed the CIA and the Pentagon's own Defence Intelligence Agency in peddling sexed-up or plain inaccurate WMD "intelligence" that boosted the neo-con cause. He and deputies Paul Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith, ignoring wiser heads, gave far too much credence to the claims of self-interested Iraqi exiles, some of whom it has since installed in power. Allegations of crony capitalism continue to swirl around the awarding of postwar contracts.

Meanwhile, ordinary Iraqis (and America's poor bloody infantry) are struggling to overcome a series of blunders by Gen Garner's successor, Paul Bremer, another Rumsfeld appointee. These range from the disbanding of Iraq's army to reluctance to countenance a swift return to self-governance. Mr Rumsfeld blames diehard Ba'athists, al-Qaida terrorists, Syria, Iran, the French, the UN, anybody, for Iraq's current woes. But if he wants to nail one of the main culprits, he need only look in the mirror.

The Pentagon has long been a notoriously badly run agency. It cannot even lock people up in Guantanamo Bay without making a mess of it. It wastes taxpayers' dollars on an epic scale. It buys pork-barrel weapons systems nobody needs; it often simply cannot account for its spending; it hands out jobs-for-the-boys to people like Iran-Contra's John Poindexter. Now it emerges that it has been blithely selling surplus biological weapons equipment on the internet. Why anybody ever imagined that the Pentagon, of all organisations, was competent to manage Iraq is a great mystery of our time. Why Mr Rumsfeld is still US defence secretary is an even bigger one.

Guardian Unlimited © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2003

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#1481 From: Michael Mandeville <mwman@...>
Date: Fri Oct 8, 2004 11:53 pm
Subject: Why Schwarzenegger Won
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ITEMS: Why Schwarzenegger Won


I think the following article is EXCEPTONALLY RIGHT ON THE NOSE
I highly recommend reading it to understand the depth of the problem Democrats have.

The simple truth is, the Democrats DO NOT HAVE A PROPOSITION WHICH MAKES THE AVERAGE PERSON A PARTICIPANT, THE BIGGEST INTEREST GROUP.

All the anti-war and anti-Bush, or anti Big Lies ammunition is in the clouds of "good government" and the eternal virtues, or it is in the realm of think tank intellectual people who understand the depth of the hell which the Imperial Faction is creating..

IT AINT GOT NOTHING FOR THE COMMON MAN IN TERMS OF A SPECIFIC AGENDA OR PROPOSITION FOR HIM.

Clintonesque/Gore noises about growing new jobs will not, perse win any more elections.  Such noises failed the last national elections and the Republicans will just pile on more confusing lies to make it seem that they are rescueing the people.

What the left needs is exact and real promises of inclusion and benefit for which the common man can understand it is in his imperative self-interest to go out and work for by voting.  The left is FAR TOO ACADEMIC in its manners of thinking, this is the politically fatal mental characteristic of the liberal democrats.

A populist proposition is this: Vote for me and the party and you WILL BE ENROLLED WITHIN SIX MONTHS IN A FULL HEALTH CARE PROGRAM which will be payed for by a 2% fee on your payroll and by the richest 2% who benefit by your willingness to not be rich and labor to serve their interests.  This levels everything and will reduce the cost of health care by 35% or more, making it affordable across the board.  (the figures cited are purely for illustration, exact numbers require some exact analysis).

This proposition is the modern equivelent of

a chicken in the pot of everyone who votes for the party.

This elegance in making a real proposition for real people does not take rocket science.  But the liberals sure sound like it does. Why are the people of this nation so afraid to make a commitment to each other?  This is ultimately why Democratic candidates could well lose the next election.  This is why Graham has already withdrawn from the race.  This is why Clark's takeover by the Clinton/Gore wing of the democratic party is likely to prove fatal to his candidacy.  This is why Dean could well lose the election, or a Kerry, etc.

Anywhere, here is the article.

Intervention Magazine  War, Politics, Culture
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 02:00:12 -0700

 http://www.interventionmag.com/cms/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=518



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Date: Sat Oct 9, 2004 12:50 am
Subject: Sacred Oak Grove
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ITEMS: Sacred Oak Grove

SEEKING HELP TRANSLATING OLD SACRED LANGUAGE

On Tuesday Kimber Simmons escorted me to the Insitute Of Noetic Science (IONS)
in Petaluma, California, a group which explores in various scientific and
traditional ways the reality of higher consciousness in the spiritual realm. 
With over 200 local chapters now worldwide, this is a group which large numbers
of people can access.

I have wanted to visit and make some personal connections since Cornplanter
first told me of his connections with the IONS group a couple of years ago. I am
looking for a way to offer training in my own sytem of meditation and
understanding about how the great religious, spiritual, and shaman traditions
fit together and provide tools to get to the same higher places. Specifically, I
would like to bring my Sacred Initiations book and meditation traning practices
out into the world as an income-earning avocation.  But I need a venue, a
promoter, a way.

Set on the rolling hills of Marin County, CA, which are studded with tall,
stately old Oaks on golden meadows of fairly tall grass, this area is stunningly
beautiful most times of the year, especially during the long Indian Summer days.

We succeeded in meeting many people and making a few good connections as well. 
Some of these I will share later on as the weeks unfold.  One fellow was the
chief scientist  at the Institute, Dr. Lee Klinger.  His eyes glowed as he came
out to see who had clunged the clanger hanging in the middle of the Hallway next
to his office.  (I did, I cannot resist them).

We talked and we entrained, we all knew we were on the same wavelengths.

He talked lovingly about his connection to Gaia and we shared a few thoughts. 
Finally he excused himself to prepare for the end of the day and he suggested we
check out a special grove of trees behind the Institute. Something special
there, he said with a grin, and he added mysteriously that he now knew why.

So, Kimber and I checked it out, noticing also the fall of the trees around the
Grove which he had mentioned.  Huge it was, this grove, the high upper branches
of a half dozen ancient huge stately oaks forming a cavernous natural cathedral
larger by far than most ever build by man. It seemed to have a main chamber and
two subsidiary ones, which one entered by passing over a bridge over a dry
brook. At the entrance to this bridge, two oaks jutted out to either side,
serving to buttress the entrance, at least visually.  Once inside we observed
that the entire Grove was surrounded by thickets of oak, much younger in age,
and densely packed, seperating the grove in the round from the surrounding
countryside.  The floor of the grove was smooth and mainly flat, clearly showing
it had been leveled a long time ago by man for a purpose.  Not a single young
oak grew in this dense shade, and not much else either.

Kimber and I immediately in our own ways sank into the energy of this place,
most especially the energy in the trees. Soon we were transported out the world
which we contest and into the realm of vibrations and scintillating patterns
flowing through the etheric.  A wonderful place for auric vision, I am sure.
Kimber and I discussed the alteration of our perception and what we were
experiencing.  She is VERY perceptive!!!

I told her I thought I saw a specific entity and she told me the colors white
and gold and it exploded into my vision.  I affirmed it and then she remarked
that suddenly she saw a group of spirit beings standing around a portion of the
cathedral. Then she told me she had "gotten" a phrase and she repeated it to me.
We memorized and thanked the cathedral and the spirits and slowly began to walk
out to attend the potluck dinner for which we had come.

Here is what Kimber received.

Nah Ti Tzah Kah
or
Nah Ti Tsha Kah

the zah or sha is soft with a hard cleft sorta starting it.

This I can immediately associate with Anasazi and Egyptian roots.

This sure looks like ancient tongue in which each syllabol is a word.

Kimber believes that the best way to interpret it may be to invert it to

Kah Tsha Ti Na

But we are unsure about this.

I think the Kah is Kha as in Khachina of the Hopi, spirit being

and of course the Kha of the Egyptian, which is "spirit" or "soul"

Ti could likely be a diminutive sign in the habit of the Egyptians, making the
object talked about "endeared" or "informal"

We are uncertain about the Nah and the Tsah.

Can you help us decipher this message?

We think the Sanskrit, Hopi, Navaho, Mayan, and Egyptian roots are all viable
for sourcing but we suspect that the Anazasi may be the best.

Your call, your turn.

-Michael Mandeville





















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#1483 From: "Ian" <ianwuolle@...>
Date: Thu Oct 9, 2003 1:47 am
Subject: Re: Why Schwarzenegger Won
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There is no separation . All the changes Earth or otherwise are inextricably woven together and cannot be taken as separate and distinct occurrences . Thus Michael or others may from time to time speak of how the changes are effecting whatever may be upon there hearts and minds .
 
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It would be nice if you would just publish your Earth Change Bulletin and not your one sided political view. I can get all the political noise I need from either PBS, CBS, NBC or FOX News.  You sound like a very intelligent guy, but when you drive your one sided political opinion into your newsletter I wonder if you not suffering from some sort of reasoning deficiency.
 
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ITEMS: Why Schwarzenegger Won


I think the following article is EXCEPTONALLY RIGHT ON THE NOSE
I highly recommend reading it to understand the depth of the problem Democrats have.

The simple truth is, the Democrats DO NOT HAVE A PROPOSITION WHICH MAKES THE AVERAGE PERSON A PARTICIPANT, THE BIGGEST INTEREST GROUP.

All the anti-war and anti-Bush, or anti Big Lies ammunition is in the clouds of "good government" and the eternal virtues, or it is in the realm of think tank intellectual people who understand the depth of the hell which the Imperial Faction is creating..

IT AINT GOT NOTHING FOR THE COMMON MAN IN TERMS OF A SPECIFIC AGENDA OR PROPOSITION FOR HIM.

Clintonesque/Gore noises about growing new jobs will not, perse win any more elections.  Such noises failed the last national elections and the Republicans will just pile on more confusing lies to make it seem that they are rescueing the people.

What the left needs is exact and real promises of inclusion and benefit for which the common man can understand it is in his imperative self-interest to go out and work for by voting.  The left is FAR TOO ACADEMIC in its manners of thinking, this is the politically fatal mental characteristic of the liberal democrats.

A populist proposition is this: Vote for me and the party and you WILL BE ENROLLED WITHIN SIX MONTHS IN A FULL HEALTH CARE PROGRAM which will be payed for by a 2% fee on your payroll and by the richest 2% who benefit by your willingness to not be rich and labor to serve their interests.  This levels everything and will reduce the cost of health care by 35% or more, making it affordable across the board.  (the figures cited are purely for illustration, exact numbers require some exact analysis).

This proposition is the modern equivelent of

a chicken in the pot of everyone who votes for the party.

This elegance in making a real proposition for real people does not take rocket science.  But the liberals sure sound like it does. Why are the people of this nation so afraid to make a commitment to each other?  This is ultimately why Democratic candidates could well lose the next election.  This is why Graham has already withdrawn from the race.  This is why Clark's takeover by the Clinton/Gore wing of the democratic party is likely to prove fatal to his candidacy.  This is why Dean could well lose the election, or a Kerry, etc.

Anywhere, here is the article.

Intervention Magazine  War, Politics, Culture
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 02:00:12 -0700

 http://www.interventionmag.com/cms/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=518



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#1484 From: "inspirit" <inlighthardman@...>
Date: Thu Oct 9, 2003 5:14 am
Subject: Fw: Re: Why Schwarzenegger Won
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Subject: Re: [earthchange-bulletins] Why Schwarzenegger Won
 
Schwarzenegger won because everyone in the real world is sooooo sick and tired of the lies, empty promises, bullshit maneuvers, dishonest, illegal crap dished out by politicians every term, year after year, for the last decade and more.  Real People are in utter desperation as to who the hell they could vote for and fool themselves into believing that a candidate might deliver what they spew out like a robot!!! Wether they are right, left or liberal blah blah blahs....  None of the candidates running, who might have a chance at the office,  have one original thought, not one creative pinky finger, as to a solution for any of the problems that confront this world.  Same old shit, different year the rich get richer and the middle class........Is there a middle class anymore????? Oh and the poor, add 9million this year to the working class poor who have lost their jobs to mega corporation down-sizing and sucking the jobs right out of USA and into China.
 
The whole economic system is a skeleton illusion.  The sharks (Government, mega corps)have been feeding upon themselves (the working class, us) in a frenzy for many years now. It's going to come DOWN, and when it does finally round the bend for the last decent, it's going to come down REAL HARD!  Depression......It'll make that time look like a friggin cake-walk!! Get it? The
Capitalistic...uhumm... Democratic way is coming crashing down folks.  The good ole USof A will never look the same or feel the same not ever amen!  Democracy was a dream and a nice idea.  We haven't lived in it since way before I was born.  We live in a Capitalistic  who gives a damn about people, what's the bottom dollar mentally retarded, and heartless mentality of an illusion that we have all in our own ways, bought right into!!! JUST BY PLAYING THE GAME OF LIFE HERE IN THE USOFA.  Edgar Cayce warned us about this before World War II and it is just as true today......History just keeps repeating itself again and again ad-nauseam. 
 
Ad to this mix, the Neocon Facist running things here now along with some of the other fanatical wing-nuts, running other countries and soon we will be in a "GREAT WAR" in the Middle East.  Sounds a bit spooky doesn't it.  Looks like those ancients really knew their shit!  Oh and was their ever a psychic as we are finding in Edgar Cayce? Lets not forget Native and Indigenous peoples? Whoa....
 
The cards are looking pretty stacked about now.  And those Earth-Changes.......Seems EC may be right about those too, that we humans have a lot more to do with them, than most think!
 
Tell me this Michael, who do you suggest I vote for, that is.....if our vote means a damn thing anymore.....It's all becoming a very tragic joke from this end of perception.  Lets not forget the coupe de ta  that got Bush Jr into office to begin with!  How do we "due our duty" and vote when even our votes are being tampered with? They are now also bought and sold. Oh.... and don't even let me get started on the FAKE PAID FOR MASS HYSTERIA MEDIA. Those folks make me literally ill at my stomach with some of the stuff they try and pass off as true news. That died along with the idea of democracy a long time ago too.  Don't any of them have a backbone??? Don't any of them have any balls? Don't any of them care about reporting the truth?  I thought years ago that some of them did. Do any of them see how ridiculous they look?  What asses they are making out of themselves.  Where is their integrity and self worth???
 
I think I'm better off trusting God to CLEAN HOUSE these days. I'll let Mary Mother, of God and Y'ashua, the Holy Spirit show me how in little ways I can improve on loving myself, my family, and my small corner of the world.  I am told that I better be able to focus, and hang on to God, cuz the illusions we have mis-created will be cast to the wind sooner than I think.  That is already happening!!
 
The Mayans were very clear, 
 
Those working with the negativity are clear in their roles, they don't discuss the hierarchy, they know who the boss is in contrary exists in the side of light.  They believe they are the owners of the truth, the wisdom in  their egoism, scream to the four winds they they are the path of salvation. They have "sold" the knowledge that has been given them.  It is true that when a white magician is born, a dark magician is as well.  The ones that are being born now are not wasting any time and they are clear on their mission.  They prefer to destroy this planet.  (Something which we can not deny nor close our eyes to.) 
 
This is the call to spread the cry of hope, of returning to the to each other to create balance based on CONSCIOUSNESS, LOVE,  SURRENDER and above all....THE CLARITY THAT WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO PLAY AROUND ANYMORE.
 
The Call is so that we may all work together- the elders, the shamans, the wise ones and all of the people that have the awareness in order to change the negative force.  The Elders are making the call for the BALNACE  that is needed now.
 
This is a time of ACTION in whatever ways we can do this in our direct vicinity. Spiritual Action, Human Loving Interaction, LOVE! ONE ANOTHER.  BE YOUR BROTHERS KEEPER,  AS EC SAID, BE IN A HIGHER PLANE OF THOUGHT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE ANCHOR YOUR BEING, KNOW WHERE YOUR CORE IS AND BE IN IT, ACT FROM IT,... NOW.  IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE YOUR CORE IS......FIND IT, hint....IT'S NOT ON THE OUTSIDE.  IT'S ON THE INSIDE, AND YOU CAN FEEL IT LIKE AND ANCHOR THAT ANCHORS YOU HERE IN THIS PLANE....FOR NOW ANYWAYS.....THEN.....ACT FROM IT.  Thank God for all the small things and big ones.  Acknowledge THE  presence in your life.  Forgive yourselves and each other.  And hang on.  We are in for the ride of our lives this time around.
 
Blessings be to all the LIGHTBEARERS, LIGHT GIVERS,
THE AWARE ONES, THE ANCHORS OF OUR WORLD.
 
 
 
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#1485 From: Michael Mandeville <mwman@...>
Date: Sat Oct 9, 2004 7:52 am
Subject: A Summary Response To Critics By Inspirit
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ITEMS: A Summary Response To Critics By Inspirit
Reply-To: "inspirit" <inlighthardman@...>

MWM: A few people have written letters questioning my deficient reasoning in
combining "earth changes" with "politics" from a "one-sided view" . Such
messages keep recurring even as this list continues to expand.

I almost always ignore those critisicms because such people do not understand
that I am dealing with the "Changes In The Earth" in the broadest sense
described by Edgar Cayce and all the prophetic traditions.  From those places,
we are talking about physical changes in the Earth as well as the break down of
human "civilizations".

Many see that this is occuring and that is what we are reporting on and
attempting to monitor and synthesize.  We can prove many prophecies and we are
watching others in the process of unfoldment.

This is difficult for many people who are very much anchored into contemporary
American or other current cultural paradigms, totems, nationalistic mass media
manipulated "perceptions" and loyalties.  Such ones have a hard time
understanding that the current intellectual buzzwords and fascinations of
Century 21 America The Great are regarded by others as just passing bullshit. I
and many others here make no bones that our perspectives are trans-national and
trans-cultural and frankly trans-epochal.  Many of us are more comfortable with
far older tribal-based perspectives, often times the ones which were raped by
imperialism of the euro peoples.  We here tend to be world people gathering
strength and consciousness for planetary civilization in which all humans can
belong in dignity.

WE AINT APOLOGIZING FOR IT AND WE AINT EXPLAINING IT.  So go elsewhere if you
think our "politics" is  deluded and our creative cut to the chase word play too
un-academic for western linear thinking. But you should reflect on the simple
fact that over a year ago we predicted here for the world the whole course of
what would come down IF the U.S. went down the Imperial Road.  It sadly has all
come to pass and is getting worse and worse day by day.  We have power in the
knowledge of that we have understood from the sages and keen observers and what
we have seen come to pass on this.  We know that the current economic frights of
large numbers of experts and observers is right on the mark because we know that
historical cycles and prophetic voices converge on 2006 for widespread
breakdown. If you don't want to know this, we gladly leave you to the pine
needles of wisdom which the sorcerers in the mass media feed you to program your
next votes and purchases.  Go watch football games and continue to pretend that
the conflict between liberalism and conservatism, or the struggle between
Democrats and Republicans means something. But if you want to expand the reach
of your corporatized-bound consciousness, stick around. I constantly try to
provide leads and entry ways to new fields of awareness and information.  I try
to connect with only the best, not necessarily only with those I completely
agree with, but I have no guarantees other than sincerity.

Having said all that, here now is how another very long time subscriber of the
Earth Changes Bulletin, who has read all my material and a whole lot of other
heavy material,  has just summarized the existing situation.  Some people
suppose she is right on, others no doubt that she is as crazy as I am. 
Whatever, there is no pretension here at all. A real human neighbor. You don't
have to agree with her.  I don't entirely. But can you appreciate her human
realness in the canyons of those concrete emotional wildernesses you call
cities?  This is one beautiful soul. Enjoy.

  From Inspirit: (October 8, 2003)

Schwarzenegger won because everyone in the real world is sooooo sick and tired
of the lies, empty promises, bullshit maneuvers, dishonest, illegal crap dished
out by politicians every term, year after year, for the last decade and more. 
Real People are in utter desperation as to who the hell they could vote for and
fool themselves into believing that a candidate might deliver what they spew out
like a robot!!! Wether they are right, left or liberal blah blah blahs....  None
of the candidates running, who might have a chance at the office,  have one
original thought, not one creative pinky finger, as to a solution for any of the
problems that confront this world.  Same old shit, different year the rich get
richer and the middle class........Is there a middle class anymore????? Oh and
the poor, add 9million this year to the working class poor who have lost their
jobs to mega corporation down-sizing and sucking the jobs right out of USA and
into China.

The whole economic system is a skeleton illusion.  The sharks (Government, mega
corps)have been feeding upon themselves (the working class, us) in a frenzy for
many years now. It's going to come DOWN, and when it does finally round the bend
for the last decent, it's going to come down REAL HARD!  Depression......It'll
make that time look like a friggin cake-walk!! Get it? The
Capitalistic...uhumm... Democratic way is coming crashing down folks.  The good
ole USof A will never look the same or feel the same not ever amen!  Democracy
was a dream and a nice idea.  We haven't lived in it since way before I was
born.  We live in a Capitalistic  who gives a damn about people, what's the
bottom dollar mentally retarded, and heartless mentality of an illusion that we
have all in our own ways, bought right into!!! JUST BY PLAYING THE GAME OF LIFE
HERE IN THE USOFA.  Edgar Cayce warned us about this before World War II and it
is just as true today......History just keeps repeating itself again and again
ad-nauseam.

Ad to this mix, the Neocon Facist running things here now along with some of the
other fanatical wing-nuts, running other countries and soon we will be in a
"GREAT WAR" in the Middle East.  Sounds a bit spooky doesn't it.  Looks like
those ancients really knew their shit! aeh!  Oh and was their ever a psychic as
we are finding in Edgar Cayce? Lets not forget Native and Indigenous peoples?
Whoa....

The cards are looking pretty stacked about now.  And those
Earth-Changes.......Seems EC may be right about those too, that we humans have a
lot more to do with them, than most think!

Tell me this Michael, who do you suggest I vote for, that is.....if our vote
means a damn thing anymore.....It's all becoming a very tragic joke from this
end of the spectrum.  Lets not forget the coupe de ta  that got Bush Jr into
office to begin with!  How do we "due our duty" and vote when even our votes are
being tampered with? They are now also bought and sold. Oh and don't even let me
get started on the FAKE PAID FOR MASS HYSTERIA MEDIA. Those folks make me
literally ill at my stomach with some of the stuff they try and pass off as true
news. That died along with the idea of democracy a long time ago too.  Don't any
of them have a backbone??? Don't any of them have any balls? Don't any of them
care about reporting the truth?  I thoughT years ago that some of them did. Do
any of them see how ridiculous they look?  What asses they are making out of
themselves.  Where is their integrity and self worth???

I think I'm better off trusting God to CLEAN HOUSE these days. I'll let Mary
Mother, of God and Y'ashua, the Holy Spirit show me how in little ways I can
improve on loving myself, my family, and my small corner of the world.  I am
told that I better be able to focus, and hang on to God, cuz the illusions we
have mis-created will be cast to the wind sooner than I think.

The Mayans were very clear,

Those working with the negativity are clear in their roles, they don't discuss
the hierarchy, they know who the boss is in contrary exists in the side of
light.  They believe they are the owners of the truth, the wisdom in  their
egoism, scream to the four winds they they are the path of salvation. They have
"sold" the knowledge that has been given them.  It is true that when a white
magician is born, a dark magician is as well.  The ones that are being born now
are not wasting any time and they are clear on their mission.  They prefer to
destroy this planet.  (Something which we can not deny nor close our eyes to.)

This is the call to spread the cry of hope, of returning to the to each other to
create balance based on CONSCIOUSNESS, LOVE,  SURRENDER and above all....THE
CLARITY THAT WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO PLAY AROUND ANYMORE.

The Call is so that we may all work together- the elders, the shamans, the wise
ones and all of the people that have the awareness in order to change the
negative force.  The Elders are making the call for the BALNACE  that is needed
now.

This is a time of ACTION in whatever ways we can do this in our direct vicinity.
Spiritual Action, Human Loving Interaction, LOVE! ONE ANOTHER.  BE YOUR BROTHERS
KEEPER,  AS EC SAID, BE IN A HIGHER PLANE OF THOUGHT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE ANCHOR
YOUR BEING, KNOW WHERE YOUR CORE IS AND BE IN IT, ACT FROM IT,... NOW.  IF YOU
DON'T KNOW WHERE YOUR CORE IS......FIND IT, hint....IT'S NOT ON THE OUTSIDE. 
IT'S ON THE INSIDE, AND YOU CAN FEEL IT LIKE AND ANCHOR THAT ANCHORS YOU HERE IN
THIS PLANE....FOR NOW ANYWAYS.....THEN.....ACT FROM IT.  Thank God for all the
small things and big ones.  Acknowledge THE  presence in your life.  Forgive
yourselves and each other.  And hang on.  We are in for the ride of our lives
this time around.

Blessings be to all the LIGHTBEARERS, LIGHT GIVERS
THE AWARE ONES, THE ANCHORS OF OUR WORLD.



MWM answers Inspirit's question:

Dear Friend, I hear your sounding of the call and I answer it.  But I have not
the foggiest idea about how to deal with this crazy banana republic. We are in a
nation of liars and deniers and we are choking on the misinformtion,
disinformation, agit prop, and media manipulations, it is nearly impossible to
be sure what is real anymore.  I do not even know who is going to be on the
ballots, let alone who to vote for. The only thing I can recommend is to go to
those candidates who are the most real in addressing the real needs of your
human class interest.  Vote your heart on this, nothing else - not labels, not
contrivances about who can win or not win.  Be a real voter voting your real
heart and real need. That is I am quite certain the only way we can undertake
the process of creating what we really want rather than living eternally in
"forced choices". And it won't hurt to pray like the heavens that there are
enough like you to create the world you jointly want.

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#1486 From: Michael Mandeville <mwman@...>
Date: Sat Oct 9, 2004 9:02 pm
Subject: Re: Jews
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> > At 06:29 PM 10/7/2003, you wrote:
> > >
> > >Remember the days when you thought Rense was beneath you?  There is an
> > >important word missing from your vocabulary:  JEW.  Rense is not afraid
>to
> > >call a spade a spade.
> >
> >
> > MWM: That's crap.  I am perfectly aware of the situation.



At 11:34 AM 10/9/2003, you wrote:
>BUT you will not verbalize it.  Have they got you cowed too?
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>From: "Michael Mandeville" <mwman@...>>

MWM: No, not at all.  I just know more.  It is not a jew thing, but it is
partly an  ethnic thing.  We have a New York ethnic orbit problem.  I call
it the boomer bubblehead problem. Extreme arrogance and empire
centralization.  What does New York call itself, its slogan?  The Empire
State.  A lot of New York decendents of Jews learned it from the good ole
boy Yankees during the 19th century and are still in alliance with those
families. They have a built in empire building advantage because a great
many RIGOROUSLY assist each other and take immense care to uplift their
children. These are in themselves positive values which work.  They only
reason it works to great advantage over others, without even trying, is
because the euro cultures in America do not work NEARLY AS harmoniously to
build each other up.  The euro cultures have collectiveley created a
culture of plundering, extreme individualism, the nuclear family and all
that, all in competition, which has now become dominant, and they are still
trying to conquor the other fellow, the other group, the other community,
the other industry, etc.  Dumb poor whites who are disconnected odd fellows
sometimes tend to blame THEIR OWN culture of plunder on Jews because of
their very more visible success - based on their mutual cooperation.

There is not an ounce of conspiracy in a general sense about any of it.  It
is a way of being and dealing with things.

Obviously these are only generalities and there are many exceptions to
these statements in all areas.  AND I AGREE THAT THERE ARE SOME
CONSPIRACIES OUT THERE CONNECTED WITH SOME OF THE LARGEST FORTUNES AND
FAMILIES, ONLY SOME OF WHICH ARE JEWISH.  With great wealth, there is
ALWAYS      political conspiracy to gain it and hold onto it.  It cannot be
any other way.

Keep in mind the Judaic traditions and descendents are multivaried. Are you
familiar, for example, that a large block of the orthodox "Torah" observing
Jews have recently denounced all forms of zionism, which includes the idea
of the Jewish state of Israel, as heretical to the commandments of God?  To
describe causality to "Jews" as a block is very lazy thinking and is an
insult to millions of people.  It is just empty headed scape-goating.
Accordingly, the term is worthless and only serves to ignite worthless
racial conflicts.

HERE IS ANOTHER TRUTH: MANY JEWISH DESCENDENT JOURNALISTS OR MEDIA PEOPLE
ARE NOW IN THE PROCESS OF "OUTING" THE ZIONIST LOBBY (PNAC, FOR INSTANCE)
WHICH I HAVE BEEN DESCRIBING AS THE "IMPERIAL FACTION" FOR THE PAST
YEAR.  Should we now beging talking about the Jewish conspiracy to out the
zionists?   Can you see from this what nonesense it is to talk about the
"Jewish problem"?  It really is a human problem and that problem aint
liberal aint conservative aint libertarianism, aint religious saviors, ITS
A PROBLEM OF THE HEART. Like all the great old leaders humanity fondly
remembers as great souls, when we love enough to love each other enough to
take care that all are taken care of, ALL THE PROBLEMS WILL BE SOLVED.

THERE IS NO OTHER WAY.  NO IDEOLOGY WILL FIX ANY OF US AND WITH GENIUNE
LOVE FORMING OUR RELATIONSHIPS PRACTICALLY ANY OLD IDEOLOGY CAN BE MADE TO
WORK TO SOME DEGREE, WHICH IS WHY THE GREAT TEACHERS DON'T GIVE A CRAP FOR
THE DETAILS OF IDEOLOGY.

MWM

P.S. I am Anglo-Saxon and do not owe a thing to Jews though a know several
Jewish families well enough to know quite a bit about real Jews and real
Jewish culture.

#1487 From: Michael Mandeville <mwman@...>
Date: Sat Oct 9, 2004 11:29 pm
Subject: Russia and the Euro For Oil - Is the move about to begin?
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Don't take the headline below as a fact at the moment - it is typical yellow
journalism overly dramatic, but this is certainly pointing to a nasty big fall
in the value of the dollar.  When this happens, the dollar will simply begin to
sink.  The bankers will try to make it a slow long process and probably for the
most part they will succeed. What most people in the U.S. do not realize is that
Russia's real internal black market currency is the U.S. dollar - hundreds of
billions are over there.  If the euro becomes favored, Russia will begin leaking
dollars and the international market will devalue the dollar automatically.  For
all of their hubris, there is nothing the Americans can do about it nor do they
really have any place to complain about it. It is, most literally - none of
their business.


Russia To Price Its Oil In Euros Not Dollars

10/09/03 (Reuters) YEKATERINBURG, Russia, Oct 8 (Reuters) - A German government
source said on Wednesday that Russia may switch to pricing oil sales in euros
rather than dollars, potentially huge news for financial markets.

However, Russian energy and finance ministry officials said they were unable to
confirm any change was planned.

"The question is taking on increasing significance," said a government official
travelling with German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder on an official visit to
Russia, referring to the possibility of a switch in the traditional energy
currency.

Any such change would be a major shift in the balance of currencies behind the
world's most traded commodity and the success of a long campaign by Europe to
get oil priced in euros.

It could deal a blow to U.S. economic prestige, as well as the strength of the
dollar on foreign exchange markets.

Russia is the second biggest oil exporter behind Saudi Arabia with the world's
largest natural gas reserves.

Schroeder meets Russian President Vladimir Putin later on Wednesday and they
hold a news conference on Thursday morning.

European leaders have long sought to promote the common currency and boost price
stability in the European Union News - Websites) by getting energy contracts
priced in euros as well as dollars.

Most energy contracts are settled in dollars, meaning that for European buyers,
trade in gas and oil is subject to fluctuations in the U.S. currency as well as
in their market prices.

MOSCOW MUTE

Officials in Moscow said that they had no knowledge that anything was going on
behind the scenes.

"We cannot confirm this information. No talks are taking place on the issue. The
ministry draws up export timetables, but does not deal with financial issues on
oil supplies," a source at the Russian Energy Ministry told Reuters.

A Finance Ministry source also said he was unaware of any preparations for a
switch.

"We have not heard anything of the sort. All information (about prices) we get
is in dollars and roubles...and we do not see any tools to force companies to
use the euro," he said.

LUKOIL (LKOH.RTS), Russia's second biggest oil company, said that it was
continuing to work in the U.S. currency.

"LUKOIL draws up its accounts based on the dollar. The company has not yet
reviewed its position to change its functional currency to prepare reports,"
said head of investor relations Gennady Krasovsky.

A source in a large Western trading company was downright dismissive of the
talk.

"This is a complete nonsense. The market has been trading in dollars for dozens
of years. Until companies which buy oil do not want to do this, the Russian
Federation will not be able to do anything," he said.

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