Might as well set the ball rolling by describing how i view this group. I have experienced most proponents of the ECA not from the Right but from the Left ie...
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alan johnstone
alanjjohnstone
Mar 23, 2010 5:48 pm
why does that always fucking happen to me , yahoo mail sending before i finish the mail grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr  I was saying mid sentence that i do not think the...
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JAMES
jamesnorth27...
Mar 25, 2010 11:06 am
Hi folks, I agree with Alan. A great deal of work has been done by individuals and groups in our sector to address the objections raised by the Austrian...
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alan johnstone
alanjjohnstone
Mar 26, 2010 4:07 pm
I think our first task is to actually collate the sources we possess , critique the content and perhaps the presentation , and try to unify them into some...
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alan johnstone
alanjjohnstone
Mar 26, 2010 4:42 pm
forwarding comments from Iain Mackay of anarchist faq . I hope unlike other lists criticism won't be taken personally alan johnstone ... From: Iain McKay...
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Bob Howes (vegan)
robertcircle1
Mar 27, 2010 4:55 pm
Hi everyone, I hope this site is going to be a listening site, an ideas site, not a dogmatic site. I am all for transition through sensible means, not dogma. ...
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JAMES
jamesnorth27...
Mar 27, 2010 5:42 pm
Hello Bob, Although I don't see us as being dogmatic we will not be a general discussion forum. Our remit is fairly clear in my opinion. We are looking at how...
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Bob Howes (vegan)
robertcircle1
Mar 27, 2010 6:35 pm
Hi James, I understood, reasonably well, what this place was about. I have given much thought over the years to how a moneyless economy could function. I...
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robbo203
Mar 27, 2010 10:02 pm
Hi Bob Like James said, this forum is not really about the means of achieving free access socialism. Its not even really about whether socialism can work in...
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Bob Howes (vegan)
robertcircle1
Mar 27, 2010 10:33 pm
Hi Robin, It depends on which resources we are looking at. Land for food and fuel growing, minerals, products (industrial and consumer), transport, housing...
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Bob Howes (vegan)
robertcircle1
Mar 27, 2010 10:39 pm
As for allocation of resources, it doesn't seem much of a problem to me, or am I missing something? We obviously need an efficient system that works for...
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robbo203
Mar 27, 2010 11:59 pm
Hi all, I want to throw in a suggestion to kickstart discussion on this forum. It basically concerns two radically different ways of viewing the question of...
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Michael Ballantine
hanoienglish
Mar 28, 2010 6:43 am
Hi all, This certainly seems the right direction. Resources are not unlimited unless you have a replicator machine which simply takes the elements and spits...
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robbo203
Mar 28, 2010 8:54 am
Hi Michael When we are talking about "socialism" in this context we mean specifically a non-market non-monetary system of production in which individuals have...
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Paddy Shannon
paddyjoeshannon
Mar 28, 2010 9:54 am
Hi Robin I may be wrong but I think Michael *does* understand that socialism won't use money, and that when talking of 'prices' and 'profit and loss' he is ...
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Bob Howes (vegan)
robertcircle1
Mar 28, 2010 12:41 pm
Quick reply to all that has been said so far. I think responsibility is the key. Each good has a number of processes attached to it and each process can be...
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robbo203
Mar 28, 2010 12:46 pm
... Hi Paddy Thanks for your response. Its a lot to take in so for ease of reading I will interpolate my comments in your text ... OK if this is what you are...
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Michael Ballantine
hanoienglish
Mar 28, 2010 3:26 pm
Hi all, I think the horizontal or vertical calculation systems only work where there are a limited number of components and low level of technology. When...
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JAMES NORTH
jamesnorth27...
Mar 28, 2010 4:36 pm
Hi Michael, Can I remind you that we are considering how non-market socialism will organise production and allocate resources. Therefore, trading of...
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Michael Ballantine
hanoienglish
Mar 28, 2010 4:46 pm
Hi James, Then we must be only looking at limited technological societies without major cities. Lithium is mostly only found in Bolivia, Coltran in Congo,...
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JAMES NORTH
jamesnorth27...
Mar 28, 2010 5:05 pm
Michael, Transportation is not trade. It can be done with a market or without a market. We are considering the latter. Incidentally, I don't think that was an...
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robbo203
Mar 28, 2010 5:23 pm
... Hi Michael Again, Ill interpolate my responses ... I think you dont quite get what I mean by vertical or horizontal accounting. The current market system...
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Bob Howes (vegan)
robertcircle1
Mar 28, 2010 6:23 pm
If we are agreed on the workability of free access socialism, what next? Cheers, Bob ***...
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JAMES
jamesnorth27...
Mar 28, 2010 8:32 pm
Please use this thread to suggest links to articles, papers, pamphlets, books (or parts of) and past or present comments on other discussion forums that you...
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JAMES
jamesnorth27...
Mar 28, 2010 8:45 pm
Hi Paddy, I think we need to be careful to define what we mean by terms like phantom money and what it would be used for. What I mean is that money is a means...
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Iain
iain.mckay
Mar 28, 2010 9:06 pm
Hello all First off, I would like to suggest that any suggested methods of economic decision making which are suggested as a result of this debate must be able...
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Paddy Shannon
paddyjoeshannon
Mar 29, 2010 1:16 am
James and Robin From: "JAMES" <jamesnorth279@...> ... Yes James, thank you, that is exactly what I mean, a common unit of accounting which works...
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Michael Ballantine
hanoienglish
Mar 29, 2010 3:52 am
Hi James, I guess I am with the Austrians on that one. Here is the problem that I see. Lithium mostly comes from Bolivia. The rest of the world depends on...
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robbo203
Mar 29, 2010 9:16 am
... Hi Paddy If I can respond in usual fashion again ... Well not just particular products but the also the individual inputs that go to make them. If product...
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JAMES NORTH
jamesnorth27...
Mar 29, 2010 12:35 pm
Hi Michael, Well this is annoying. I wrote a really long reply to this which has been lost in the ether. Now I've got to redo it when I want to tall about...
