... For these people, Java, C, C#, C++ are all in the same syntax family, and as long as some basics are respected (see this list - ...
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Ian Joyner
i.joyner@...
Apr 20, 2012 7:53 am
HI Steve, I agree with most of what you are saying, but programming systems development is not engineering. I think we really need to get this point across in...
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Ian Joyner
i.joyner@...
Apr 20, 2012 8:13 am
And JavaScript has gained popularity too with C syntax. According to Crockford, when Brendan Eich joined Netscape to work on it, he wanted to implement Scheme...
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Paul Cohen
pacoispaco
Apr 20, 2012 8:41 am
... Very nicely put. /Paul -- Paul Cohen www.seibostudios.se mobile: +46 730 787 035 e-mail: paul.cohen@......
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Seref Arikan
serefarikan
Apr 20, 2012 8:50 am
Phyton succeeded with a clear syntax, which has very little if none at all resemblence to C/Java family. My previous example with Clojure shows that even Lisp...
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Seref Arikan
serefarikan
Apr 20, 2012 8:52 am
This is also the reason I keep buying math books from 70s, since they are the only resources that bother to explain the topic, rather than showing off with...
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Ian Joyner
i.joyner@...
Apr 20, 2012 8:52 am
I have spent a lot of time in the last few years reading or rereading the wisdom of the ancients. Bob Barton who wrote a couple of papers in 1961 and 1963...
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Ian Joyner
i.joyner@...
Apr 20, 2012 9:13 am
I wrote quite a while ago (2007?) on the complete reverse of Thomas's suggestion - to implement an EiffelScript interpreted language that could run in the...
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Alexander Kogtenkov
kogtenkov
Apr 20, 2012 9:27 am
I guess you are looking for x.f (agent add_item_agt.call ([a_key, a_value])) Regards, Alexander Kogtenkov ... From: "Thomas Beale"...
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Thomas Beale
twbeale
Apr 20, 2012 9:38 am
... Aha - I thought of that, but didn't try it because I didn't expect it would work, since it looks like an agent call is being executed, but in fact a new...
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Paul Cohen
pacoispaco
Apr 20, 2012 9:45 am
... For a long time my wish has been to be able to do something like: $ apt-get install eiffel $ <my favorite_editor> foo.e $ eiffel foo.e $ foo 4 command line...
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Alexander Kogtenkov
kogtenkov
Apr 20, 2012 10:05 am
... Not sure about the first 2 steps, but if you have "ec" installed and in your path, the last 2 lines work just fine if you replace "eiffel" with "ec" and...
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rfo@...
roger.osmond
Apr 20, 2012 12:27 pm
Hi All I have been following the Javel and related discussions, and while I admire the enthusiasm, I feel the focus on syntax and presentation is off the mark....
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Thomas Beale
twbeale
Apr 20, 2012 1:05 pm
I won't get into this debate much further, but we need to be aware that those unwashed 'others' we keep talking about come in different flavours: * A -...
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dwilliams@...
holworth
Apr 20, 2012 1:20 pm
Roger, I agree with all you have said. I am teaching someone who has no knowledge of programming whatsoever to model an engineering process, with which they...
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Bertrand Meyer
bmeyer_eiffel
Apr 20, 2012 2:05 pm
Let’s not get carried away. No one said that adding the possibility of syntax skins, including a Javel skin, would change the world, or that this was the...
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Ian Joyner
i.joyner@...
Apr 20, 2012 2:12 pm
Sorry if this is a duplicate. I never received it after sending.... We should recognize the other strength of scripting languages – that is, no waiting round...
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Ian Joyner
i.joyner@...
Apr 20, 2012 2:12 pm
We should recognize the other strength of scripting languages – that is, no waiting round for compiles. Now the downside of that is that all checking must be...
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Victorien Elvinger
conaclos
Apr 20, 2012 3:03 pm
Hi, I am agree too. Eiffel is undeniably an excellent language, maybe the better. Reliable, power, easy, scalable ... When I talk about Eiffel language with...
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Steven Boyls
sboyls@att.net
Apr 20, 2012 4:58 pm
I realize that the discussion of the popularity of Eiffel, the talk of adapting the syntax to be more C-like, and the creation of a EiffelScript language has...
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Berend de Boer
berenddeboer
Apr 20, 2012 7:32 pm
... Emmanuel> If this is easy to reproduce (I'm thinking more about Emmanuel> setup requirements), could you submit your code to Emmanuel>...
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Steven Boyls
sboyls@att.net
Apr 20, 2012 8:58 pm
The way to really attract new users to Eiffel is to advertise it as a "green and environmentally friendly programming language with a low carbon foot-print". ...
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brucemount@...
brucemount
Apr 21, 2012 12:42 pm
Given two text files with different creation dates and any contents at: C:\File_Test\test_1.txt C:\File_Test\test_2.txt I was trying to see if file_1.txt had...
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brucemount@...
brucemount
Apr 21, 2012 12:43 pm
Sorry, I forgot to add, that I'm using Eiffel 7.0. --B ... From: brucemount <brucemount@...> To: eiffel_software <eiffel_software@yahoogroups.com> Sent:...
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Y. P.
pei_max
Apr 21, 2012 11:29 pm
Hi there, After updating from the SVN repository today, I couldn't compile EiffelStudio/EVE on a Linux machine. Compilation was successful before that, and the...
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Emmanuel Stapf
manus_eiffel
Apr 22, 2012 12:05 am
You need to update to the latest nightly build of EiffelStudio 7.1. Manu...
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Y. P.
pei_max
Apr 22, 2012 12:30 am
I see. Thanks. Max ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
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Emmanuel Stapf
manus_eiffel
Apr 23, 2012 5:49 pm
The reason of this misbehavior is that the `file_info' query returns the same underlying object. We will fix this in a future release. In the meantime, you ...
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brucemount@...
brucemount
Apr 24, 2012 2:41 pm
Thanks Manu! --Bruce [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
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larry_rix
Apr 24, 2012 7:58 pm
Please refer to: http://docs.eiffel.com/book/solutions/eiffellex-tutorial <http://docs.eiffel.com/book/solutions/eiffellex-tutorial> I have created a class...
