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Volume #11 Issue #3
March 2004
ISSN# 1089 4284
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C O N T E N T S
++ Editor's Notes
++ News: ASD International Conference
++ Column: An Excerpt From the Lucid Dream Exchange
Lucy Gillis
++ Article: Who Do We Ignore When We Interpret A Dream?
Linda Lane Magallón
++ Column: The View from the Bridge
Candlemas Thoughts
Jean Campbell
++ Column: The Waves:
Resonant Waves: The Ocean Also Dreams
Resonant Moon. White Spectral Wizard Year
Nick Cumbo
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++ DREAM SECTION: Dreams from January & February, 2003
Host: Elizabeth Westlake
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Editor's Notes
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Welcome to the March 2004 issue of Electric Dreams, your portal to dreams
and dreamwork online.
If you are new to dreams and dreamwork, please join us on
dreamchatters@yahoogroups.com and we will guide you to the resources &
groups you need. To join send an e to
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Lucy Gillis shares travels around the dream field to find the most talented
and experimental lucid dreamers. In an excerpt from the her Lucid Dream
Exchange, Harry Bosma shares with us some information about his on-line
lucidity course "THE MORE LUCID DREAMS PROJECT".
Linda Lane Magallón, author of _Mutual Dreaming_, explores the many ways to
interpret a dream and how these ways, some scientific, some metaphoric, some
common sense, all interpenetrate to reveal a dreams significance. Read “Who
Do We Ignore When We Interpret A Dream?”
Jean Campbell brings you up to date on the dream activism group, the World
Dreams Peace Bridge. Early in February, the Bridge celebrated Candlemas, and
Jean uses this event to discuss the many dream activist projects over the
past year to change the world.
Nick Cumbo newsletter and column reports on the dream explorations of the
Sea Life community. Sea Life, the main web forum at Dreampeace, aims to
bring together a circle of dreamers from around the globe, collaborating in
dreaming adventures, and ‘dreaming with and for the earth itself.’ This
month there is a discussion of the possibility of discussion with sea
creatures via our dreams.
The news section this month focuses on the international Association for the
Study of Dreams. Read about the summer conference in Copenhagen and how you
can participate.
If you have news for our Global Dreaming News, send that to Peggy Coats at:
info@...
Family murders, affairs, dead relatives visiting – one might think that the
Family archetype is up and dominate – or is it just the Electric Dreams
Dream Section?
Our Dream Section is edited by Elizabeth Westlake.
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For those of you who are new to dreams and dreaming, be sure to stop by one
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See you all in April,
-Richard Wilkerson
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This month, tid-bits from the Association for the Study of Dreams:
Plan to attend ASD’S 2004 CONFERENCE IN COPENHAGEN, DENMARK, June 18-22,
2004.
http://asdreams.org/2004
ASD has received over 130 submissions from over 100 presenters around the
world. This will be the largest conference ASD has had in terms of
submissions, and the most diverse in nationalities presenting and topics
being presented. This year ASD also have received a greater percentage of
research based papers, research from all over the globe, a great piece of
news since one of the ASD goals this year was not only to become more
global, but also to bring the "S" (dream studies) back into A-S-D. The
Conference promises to be an exciting time for all who participate. Make
plans now!
PROMOTE THE COPENHAGEN CONFERENCE. VIEW OR DOWNLOAD A FLYER NOW FOR PRINTING
OR FORWARDING: You can help advertise the conference by using the conference
promotional flyer that is now online at
http://www.asdreams.org/2004/2004Flyer.pdf Just go to the site, download and
print the flyer, and give it to your friends. Flyers can also be distributed
to coffee houses, book stores, and other public places.
SPECIAL DREAM TIME ADVERTISING OFFER: Advertising in ASD's magazine, Dream
Time, is one of the best possible ways to reach an audience passionately
interested in dreaming. This special Dream Time advertising offer will allow
you to advertise your book, product, or services for a discounted rate in
the next three issues of Dream Time with the bonus of a free ad in the
Copenhagen Conference program. Check out
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Become a member and get substantial discounts!
SHOP THE ASD ONLINE STORE AND AUCTION
ASD ONLINE STORE
http://www.asdreams.org/idxbookshop.htm Dream-oriented
books and products. Books, dream-oriented merchandise, tapes, and customize
your own mugs, hats, shirts, mouse pads, night shirts with ASD or Dream
logos of your choice and size.
ASD ONLINE AUCTION www.asdreams.org/auction Donate or bid on great bargains
and unique items, do your gift buying at ASD's Online Auction. For great
bargains and unique items, shop at ASD's Online Auction and ASD’s Oonline
store. Save money and help ASD in the process. Unique items and great
bargains. Bring your friends. We welcome your donations and bids.
SPECIAL THEME ISSUE OF DREAMING ON CHILDREN’S DREAMS AND NIGHTMARES:
Deadline for submissions: September 1, 2004. ASD’s Journal, DREAMING, wishes
to announce a special issue on children's dreams and nightmares. Articles on
dreams of children and adolescents from clinical, experimental,
physiological, developmental, cross-cultural, theoretical, and
interdisciplinary perspectives are encouraged. The deadline for submissions
is Sept. 15, 2004. Papers should be submitted to special issue editor: Alan
Siegel, Ph.D. at
dreamsdr@... or via mail to 2607 Alcatraz Avenue,
Berkeley, CA 94705
ASD'S MEMBERSHIP SERVICES: In addition to our great publications (ASD's
quarterly magazine, Dream Time, and our scholarly journal, Dreaming) ASD
offers other special services to members. Here's a partial list. How many of
these do you take advantage of? ASD is an organization for dreamers. Let
your membership work for you!
A) Create a Member Page: Have your dream-related activities and publications
listed, along with a photo, in the online Member Pages. Just go to
www.ASDreams.org and fill out the online application.
B) Promote Your Dream Course or announce book publication in the "News and
Notes" section of the ASD Online Bulletin Board.
C) Join an ASD E-Study Group and participate in discussions during the year
with those who share your interests.
D) Receive Member Discounts on dream-related activities, such as ASD
regional meetings.
HOW TO REACH THE ASSOCIATION FOR THE STUDY OF DREAMS
http://www.asdreams.org
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An Excerpt From The Lucid Dream Exchange
By Lucy Gillis
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Ok, so you've learned to have lucid dreams. Want to have more? In LDE 29
Harry Bosma shared with us some information about his on-line lucidity
course "THE MORE LUCID DREAMS PROJECT". For more information on this project
and others you can contact Harry through his website at www.alquinte.com.
(Incidentally, I participated in this project and enjoyed it very much. And
yes, I did get more lucid dreams!)
Getting More Lucid Dreams
(c) Harry Bosma
This is a short report on the More Lucid Dreams project. During five weeks,
starting on July 26th 2003, an online group worked at getting more lucid
dreams. As the members of the group chose to submit many dreams, this also
became a unique dream sharing experience. We witnessed many interesting psi
dreams in the group, especially mutual dreaming. However, here I will only
report about the main aim of the group: getting more lucid dreams.
Background
Sometimes it seems there is more interest in lucid dreaming than in, for
example, dream interpretation. Ever since the invention of the World Wide
Web, there have been web pages about lucid dreaming. The Usenet discussion
group alt.dreams had so many topics about lucid dreaming, that the
alt.dreams.lucid group had to be created. After Usenet, email and web
discussion groups became popular. Again, lucid dreaming showed up amazingly
often.
What always surprised me is that although interest is high, many complain
that it is hard to get lucid dreams. As I didn't mind getting more lucid
dreams myself, I decided to organize an online group aimed at getting more
lucid dreams.
Small Steps Approach
The approach I used is based on several ideas:
The first one is that people generally have little time, need their sleep,
and prefer simple exercises above difficult ones. For these reasons I used
Castaneda's hand gazing as the basic exercise. Other suggested exercises
also needed minimal time, and could be easily integrated into the daily
routine.
The second idea is that it always helps to break a difficult task up into
various smaller objectives. There are many definitions of lucid dreaming. I
used the most basic one, being that one is aware of the dream. Everything
else I presented as separate indications of special dreams. Additionally, I
also offered two types of pre-lucid dreams. As a result, the chance of being
able to score a dream as special in some way or another, was fairly high.
After five weeks of dreams, this also gave some insight into whether
indications of special dreams are related to awareness of the dream.
The third idea is that it helps to combine lucid dreaming with more
awareness during the day. It makes no sense to strive for more awareness
during dreams, while still running on automatic pilot during the day. This
fits nicely together with the first point of integrating lucid dreaming with
the usual day routine in a way that doesn't require extra time.
For various reasons I asked potential participants to incubate a dream. One
thing I hoped to discover was if there could be certain resistances against
lucid dreaming. That didn't seem to be the case, so I didn't pay much
attention to it during the project.
The Group
I wanted 20-25 members for the group. There were 22. However, two never
showed up, two others dropped out early. The project ran in the middle of
summer, so it happened that some members disappeared for a week or so due to
vacations.
Almost all of the incubated dreams showed an optimistic view of the project.
Quite a few had an incubated dream that was lucid. I have to add that many
members of the first group were experienced with lucid dreaming. The group
was supposed to be for both novice lucid dreamers and somewhat experienced
lucid dreamers, but absolute novices turned out to be in a small minority.
As part of the program, I encouraged members to submit dreams, lucid or not.
The group knew how to take a hint, and submitted some 365 dreams in five
weeks time. Including comments on the dreams and other discussions, this
means that keeping up with the group must have been challenging. I'd
considered slowing the group down at some point, but got the impression that
most members had made the decision that they wanted to do it this way.
>From the 365 dreams, a total of 145 were lucid. A few strong lucid dreamers
in the group pulled up the average, but even so it still is an impressive
number.
Conclusions
As I'm going to host a second group, I only want to give a few general
conclusions. Besides, the group is too small to discover anything about, for
example, the effectiveness of particular exercises.
At the end of the five weeks I asked group members to fill in an evaluation
form. A large majority of the participants spent a lot of time on the
project. Looking at this large sub group, there were a few who were already
having lucid dreams often. They didn't see any improvement in frequency, but
appreciated how they learned to do more with their lucid dreams. The not so
frequent lucid dreamers did almost all report an increase in the number of
lucid dreams. The member who was less satisfied about the number of lucid
dreams during the project, really did quite well on her own. It just
happened that this first group attracted many people who had had lucid
dreams before.
Quite a few members remarked that the group did wonders for their dream
recall. That may be true, but I also noted that not everyone seemed to have
that luck. Which is why I will continue to advise potential members of the
second group to work on their dream recall.
After this first group I wonder whether there is a correlation between dream
recall and lucid dreams. Dreamers who submitted more or longer dreams, seem
to have a higher percentage of lucid dreams. There were a few exceptions to
that rule, and with the group being small, it's hard to say whether this
means anything.
As a last observation, I was impressed by the stability of the dream
environment of some of the dreamers, especially the dreamers who submitted
many lucid dreams. I've read authors who say one starts with awareness, then
works on stability. Somehow I got the idea that awareness and stability may
be two sides of the same coin.
Second Group
>From the beginning I've wanted to do two groups. The second group should
start on November 15th. I'm looking forward to hosting the second group, and
to comparing the results. I haven't yet written about some of the special
exercises, so as not to spoil the surprise for members who also read LDE. I
hope to write about these special exercises in a next issue.
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Who Do We Ignore When We Interpret A Dream?
© 2004 Linda Lane Magallon
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It's the same 'ole dichotomy. In this corner, we have the scientist who
focuses on dream stimuli and claims that dreams have no meaning. In that
corner, there is the psychologist who claims that a focus on stimuli robs
the dream of meaning. Why, oh, why, does it have to be the battle of the
either-or?
I believe I need both. Knowing what induces, triggers or stimulates a dream
does *not* rule out an awareness of meaning and significance for me. In
fact, I don't think that a method or theory (either stimulus-based or
symbol-based) that ignores the life of the dreamer can be very meaningful.
In order to explain flying dreams, I have come up with a schema that
differentiates between stimulus connection and the sort of symbolic
interpretation that's bereft of connection. It may seem ironic, but the
interpretation of flight needs to be grounded before it can soar.
First, I present an example of a symbolic interpretation plucked from a
source that doesn't bother to look at the dreamer's life for correlation.
Second, I show what stimulated the dream. Third, I put daytime event
together with dream stimuli to produce an explanation that includes both.
However, my search for meaning doesn't stop there. For me, the significance
of an event involves its total context: past, present...and future. I might
come up with an interpretation that satisfies me as I contemplate my dream
while curled up in bed. But it isn't truly significant for me unless it
*changes* me. It's what I do after I get out of bed that's the deciding
factor. It's the follow-up that provides the finishing touch.
Here’s some examples.
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A) Dream: The wind kisses my face as I soar over the city skyline.
1. Symbolic Interpretation (Freudian):
-- A concealed wish for an orgasm. Now, let’s talk about the Oedipus
Complex.
-- There is little attempt at correlation with a dreamer's life. In my
opinion, the idea that everyone has an Oedipus Complex or that every flying
dream involves a concealed wish for sex has not been adequately
demonstrated. It's a belief-based hypothesis.
2. Stimuli: I won $5 in the lottery. Because it was warm night, I had the
fan on.
-- Day residue, emotional: My exuberant response to winning the lottery.
-- Current event, tactile: The passage of air over my skin from the blowing
fan.
The still-present echo of exuberation from the day combines with the
nighttime tactile sensation of flowing air to evoke a picture of soaring,
sensual flight. The hypothesis that emotions and touch influence dreams has
been borne out by lab experimentation and case studies.
3. Significance:
Winning small amounts of money gives me a "high," but it's not one that
lasts long or can be counted on to be repeated. What else can I do that can
give me more substantial exuberance, one that I value "highly"? Like joy?
4. Follow Up:
Emotion plus sensory movement turned out to be a fruitful avenue of
exploration. I came to realize that every time I finished writing an
article, I had a sense of satisfaction that I could turn it into glee if I
ran up the stairs like a kid. Allowing my Inner Child an opportunity to
indulge in that sort of activity resulted in more flying dreams.
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B) Dream: A huge black cat hovers in the air over a young blonde girl.
1. Symbolic Interpretation (Jungian):
-- The Shadow is threatening my Anima. Now, let’s go on a encyclopedic
search for examples of Animas and Shadows and felines throughout mythic
history.
-- No attempt at correlation with dreamer's life; belief-based hypothesis.
2. Stimuli: Several years ago, my car’s paint job had been ruined by the
spray that was dropped by helicopters as they were dusting for med-flies.
Today, I sprayed my hair, then went to play with one of our cats, Endora,
who scratched me. I didn’t wash the wound and later wondered about the wound
being infected by either the hair spray or the cat. Endora had been atop a
ledge, peering down on my daughter below. Endora was preparing to jump
because she'd had enough of the two of us and wanted to escape. I didn't
want her to let her go.
-- Past visual memory and associated concept: Overflying helicopters =
threat to my car, which protects me like a skin from a spray.
-- Day residue, tactile: Hair spray and scratched skin.
-- Day residue, visual: The cat, my daughter and me.
Pictures from the distant past plus associated concepts are combined with
echoes of daytime events, both tactile and visual. My dreaming mind often
ignores daytime inanimate objects (like cars and walls) and concentrates on
the animate ones, instead. Thus, animals and people (including me) can seem
to "hover" in my dreams. In this case, the background prop (the ledge)
didn't have enough energy to etch an impression on my inner picture screen.
3. Significance:
I realized that Endora needed some time off from our overwhelming attention.
I value dreams for pointing out relationship issues.
4. Follow-up: The next day, I was more respectful of her space.
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C) Dream: I flew at head level, watching the scenery go by.
1. Symbolic Interpretation (If This Were My Dream technique):
-- “Flew” = “flu” or the feeling of an upset stomach.
-- “Head level” = “a level headed response to a dilemma.”
-- To the members of a dream group, I read a report that included both my
dream and notes on the daytime event that preceded it. The hypothesis that
my dream contained these particular puns was based solely on their
associations between the dream and daytime event. There was no attempt at
correlation with me (the dreamer).
2. Daytime events: I was a passenger in a car that was swerving along a
winding road. I almost got car-sick until I opened the window.
-- Day residue, tactile (interior): The queasy feeling.
-- Day residue, visual: The scenery passing by as I “flew” down the highway.
I certainly did have the feeling of an upset stomach and some people in the
group claimed that I had a "level-headed" response to my dilemma. But I had
not written, "I flew," I'd actually written, "I fly," because I always use
the present tense to record a dream. "Fly" was converted to "flew" by the
members of a dream group because, to them, the dream was past tense. Also, I
rarely use the phrase "level headed" in waking life, and have never applied
it to myself. I think the level of flight above the ground relates directly
to the height of my head as I "flew" down the highway. Once again, an
inanimate object, the car, was left behind when my daytime event was
transposed to dreamspace.
3. Significance: This is the reason why I find the "If this were my dream"
approach to dream interpretation to be so problematical. It's not the
group's dream. It's *my* dream. How come they weren't paying attention to
me? Why weren't they asking my opinion and discovering my associations
instead of projecting theirs?
4. Follow-up: At a succeeding meeting, I demonstrated the "dreamer
interview" method of interpretation to the group. This method does pay
attention to the dreamer.
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As you can see, symbolic interpretation systems might acknowledge the
underlying stimulus. But more often, they ignore it in favor of their own
theory-story about the overt imagery. They interpret the “movie” without
paying attention to the dreamer's life or to the dreamer's associations
between dreams and waking life.
Now let's say, just for the sake of argument, that a dream has *nothing* to
do with a dreamer's waking life. So whose life does it have to do with?
Freud's? Jung's? The other members of the dream group? Some nebulous
something in the sky or under the sea?
You might contend that I'm being very ego-centric by linking dreams with my
mundane waking life. That I'm ignoring the larger "meaning" of life. Are you
surprised to know that I agree with you? But probably not for the reason you
think.
Contemporary dream theories often act as though they have a real meaning, a
real significance, a real realness. For instance, Jung would have us treat
his theory and the archetypal attributes of his theory as "real." And not
just real, universally real. That's a pretty powerful claim to make. But I'd
like to point out that it's the waking ego who speculates and makes this
claim. And who gets left in the lurch? Anybody who lives in the land of the
dream, that's who.
Now, as far as this discussion goes, I don't care if you think that a dream
is a real reality of its own or not. Nor do I care if you think there are
significant others living there. Contemporary dream theories tend to ignore
this possibility. But what they do acknowledge, even depend on, is that
there is a self in the dream. Granted, it may be an unconscious self, but
it's a self, nonetheless. So, at least one person lives in the land of
dreams: the dreaming self.
My question is very simple: if we want to understand the meaning of the
dream, why don't we consult the dreaming self? Well, Freud and Jung seem to
think that we do. But I think they confuse states of consciousness.
Jung had plenty of altered state experiences (other than dreams) in his life
and his theory of archetypes basically comes from that source. Freud
suggested that the "meaning" of dreams could be found by seeking answers in
a state between waking and dreaming. The actual in-the-dream-self is not
supposed to be conscious. As in, poor thing, it has no voice of its own. We,
the great and powerful Oz-egos (and our waking altered state cohorts), must
speak for the dreaming self because it can't speak for itself. Wanna make a
bet?
Well, I can understand that Freud and Jung didn't understand nor appreciate
lucid dreaming; its popularity didn't spark until after their time. Thus,
the idea that you can become aware enough to ask the dream, to ask dream
characters, questions (like "What does this dream mean?") wouldn't have
occurred to them. But the practice of incubating a dream has long been
known. The practice of consulting the dream (as an oracle) has been around a
long time, too. Jung and Freud may have retained the latter, but they
ignored the former. I'd like to bring it back.
So here's a formula to consult the dream if you don't have lucid dreams. You
ask a question (like "What does that dream mean?" or "What's your opinion
about my interpretation of that dream?" or even, "What do you think about
this theory of dreams?"). Then, you wait for a *dream* to respond. Not a
waking visualization. Not a waking free association. Not waking automatic
writing or channeling. You wait for a sleeping dream.
And that way, you can discover that your dreaming self has her opinions,
too. And that they don't necessarily correspond with Jung's. Or Freud's. Or
yours.
Or they might, after a fashion. For instance, I have discovered that, like
me, my dreaming self really enjoys puns. I don't mean the puns that I
discover when I'm awake and compare dreams with my waking life. I mean that
my dreaming self has made up and pointed out and laughed at puns while I'm
still dreaming. In the land of dreams. Whether I'm lucid or not. The dream
may be mine to manipulate, but it's her life to live. And life is
meaningful, in and of itself.
http://members.aol.com/caseyflyer/flying/dreams.html (Dream Flights)
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The View from the Bridge
Candlemas Thoughts
Jean Campbell
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Early in February, when we celebrated Candlemas, I began thinking about some
of the events of the past year. As a dream activist, I had to recognize
that we have done quite a lot over the past year to...well, yes, change the
world.
The Candlemas candle lighting for peace is an idea introduced to us dreamers
by Victoria Quinton, and she has a beautiful display of Candlemas photos up
at PeaceTraining.org
http://www.peacetraining.org/gallery/index.php
Diana Thompson commented to me in a private post: "I burned a lilac candle,
and asked for peace to begin. Thinking back, I wondered if the world was
always unpeaceful, and people were less aware of it. So I didn't ask for
peace to return, but to begin. The candle had a white interior, lovely."
Diana's words were what got me thinking about peace and the dream reality.
I mean, personally, I tend to believe that the world is coming into
existence all around me, all the time...as compared with a belief in linear
time. So I think that what Diana says is true. There is always un-peace to
perceive and deal with, as well as peace. It's a choice.
When I told my friend Lucy that, even though I'm very interested in
politics, I was seeing more and more need for political action to take place
in the contacts between people, in a very personal sort of way, she quoted
the Dalai Lama to me. She said he talks of "inner disarmament."
My own idea is that we are building a world community...and, the case for
many of us is that we are building a world community of dreamers. I was
talking with Harry Bosma, who has done so much in the past year to build
community among dreamers by projects like his More Lucid Dreaming project
and the PsiAngels: lovely, fun, free or inexpensive ways for dreamers to get
together and just have fun as well as get some work done. "I'm a bit of a
reluctant community builder. :-)" Harry said to me, but it seems to me that
he's done quite a job, despite his reluctance.
In many ways, I am in awe of all the things that we have accomplished this
year. Based on Jeremy Seligson's dream, Peace Trains are making their way
around the globe. Jeremy is talking about creating picture books now, of
trains children have made in Turkey, Korea, New Zealand, the U.S.,
Australia, and other places. NickCumbo has created an entire web site
devoted to PeaceTraining, www.peacetraining.org.
Through the work of the Aid for Traumatized children project, packages have
been purchased in Istanbul, shipped to Amman, Jordan, and taken by car to
Baghdad. In a matter of days we've received photos back or Iraqui children
smiling over the teddy bears we sent. All because of dreams.
To me, the most amazing thing of all has been how, with the aid of the
Internet, the dream community is deepening. Several years ago, I told my
friend Kotaro, who lives in Tokyo, that when I was a little girl, I always
wanted to have a pen pal. In the days before the Internet, there were
little ads in the back of the comic books I read, inviting kids to join pen
pal clubs. I never did, but I always cherished the idea of writing to
someone who lived in a world far away from mine. Now suddenly I find myself
exchanging correspondence with an educator who lives in a city halfway
around the world, which was recently bombed by troops from my country.
In one of the pictures sent from the Season Arts School in Baghdad, in the
background of the picture, there is a woman standing in the doorway, in the
shadows, her arms crossed, watching the teddy bear delivery. I read in her
posture a certain contempt, and I thought, "If that were me (if this were my
dream?) I would be very angry that people who invaded my country, who maybe
killed my husband or child, are now sending teddy bears."
Of course this is my projection, but it breaks my heart nonetheless. I see
no way out of this dilemma for myself except to continue to reach out...with
my hands, with my heart, and with my dreams. I believe that, in the face of
violence (and like Diana I believe there has always been violence) my own
dream is to strengthen the community of dreamers, until we can agree that
conflicts can be resolved some other way than by mass destruction, and that
all people have the right to respect.
I'd like to give a special thanks to Kathy Kelly and the people from Voices
in the Wilderness, who connected us with the school in Baghdad. On their
web site
http://www.serve.com/vitw/ Kathy and others who were working in
Iraq before the war to lift sanctions, and who stayed through the bombing of
Baghdad, write regular, first person, reports of what they see in Iraq now.
Kathy has recently been sentenced to a term in federal prison for
"trespassing" at Fort Benning GA to protest the training school for US elite
"assassin" troops. This is a type of radical pacifism which challenges me
and always has. Sometimes I like to say, "Well, I am just a dreamer,
sitting at home by my computer."
In this regard, I am also looking at the community of psi dreamers, which
has continued to grow. Psi dreamers are not necessarily dream activists,
but there is certainly something about having a precognitive dream that
impels people to action. After 9/11, I wrote a paper about dealing with
precognitive dreamer guilt. It's still available online Jean Campbell -
Dealing with Precognitive Dreamer Guilt
http://dreamtalk.hypermart.net/campbell/dreamer_guilt.htm
But it seems to me that the psi dreaming part of the dream community has
been growing by leaps and bounds, full of people eager to see what might be
possible with precognitive dreams. Now let's talk about dreaming the world!
There's no doubt in my mind that people dream predictively some of the
time...and that some people are very talented at doing it. I'd love to see
more people refine the skills of psi...not just dreaming but awake too,
since it seems to me that this is one of the deepest points of connection we
have with others in the world. It has been both gratifying and amazing to
me to see mutual dreaming pairs appearing on the Internet, like Joy and
Ilkin, whose relationship began with mutual dreaming even though they'd
never met in the waking world. To me, there is no better indication than
this of the connectedness we all share, and have the ability to refine.
I wanted to thank you all, my dreaming friends. When I asked people to join
me in a World Dreams Peace Bridge, I had no idea where the bridge might
lead, or if it would go anywhere at all. What has developed is a landmark
in dream space, a beautiful bridge complete with river and healing
Reservoir, a place that people actually visit in their dreams. Who can ask
for more in life than to bring the dream forward into all of reality?
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Resonant Waves: The Ocean Also Dreams
Resonant Moon. White Spectral Wizard Year
© Nick Cumbo
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The Waves is a newsletter reporting on the explorations of the Sea Life
community. Sea Life, the main web forum at Dreampeace, aims to bring
together a circle of dreamers from around the globe, collaborating in mutual
dreaming adventures, and ‘dreaming with and for the earth itself’
Link:
http://sealife.dreamofpeace.net
During the Resonant Moon, we participated in a project called ‘The Ocean
Also Dreams’. Our dreaming and discussion kept us busy; focusing upon
meeting the creatures and the sea; and the question of how we could go about
improving their conditions.
Asked whether or not we could communicate with the sea creatures in our
dreams, Stathgar offered this response:
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“Yes, I think it's at least possible. I think that life on land (including
us) evolved from what were once creatures of the sea, so our feeling of
connection to water and the ocean may be in part due to some instincts and
genetic traits still left over from those sea creatures. If we have some
sort of genetic knowledge of sea creatures, dreams and the subconscious are
probably the best way to access it. Also, I've seen a good bit of evidence
for telepathy lately so perhaps in some way the sea creatures are
intelligent and able to communicate with us in our dreams.”
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Sunwolf jumped in with a fascinating experience from 1990:
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“I went to a channeling, where this woman was speaking about her psychic
work with dolphins and during the meeting, a dolphin connected with me
psychically and I went into a trance. My friends took me home after the
meeting and put me in bed. It was a male dolphin. He showed me wondrous
things, as I dreamed and was there astrally, which I didn't know was
possible, before that. The dolphins have a vast library on the astral plane.
They have about 50 words for 'Water', different types of water, warm, fast,
cold, etc. Also their word for 'God', 'Home', 'Family" and 'Water' all had
similar root word.
They showed me how they meditated, by turning with their tail pointing
upward and the nose pointing downward and sending out dolphin calls, like a
mantras. I woke up with a whole new respect for sea life.”
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Meanwhile, CharlotteDreamer shared her experience of riding across the ocean
on a giant octopus, and Treader discovered a school of sea turtles while
breathing underwater, having being pushed overboard by the captain of a
pirate ship.
THE SHIPS
Over time, the Ship has become a potent personal dream symbol of groupwork
and cooperation, two principles that have been central to the success of the
Sea Life forum. Greeneye’s dream indicated that this might be more than just
a personal symbol:
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“I live where the buffalo roamed, so I never see ships in RL. Last night I
dreamed about a large boat/small ship that was white on the bottom and a
wide black strip around the top/deck.
I saw it through fog and rain (it was raining here for real last night) and
it was night. The ship was drifting toward me and then I lost it completely
in the fog. I was never very close to it. I was standing on something solid,
but I couldn't see my feet throught the fog. I looked for the ship again and
thought, "Whew! Won't need that life jacket after all!”
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Many of the dreamers at Sea Life are participants of a dream team; small
groups of 5-8 dreamers sharing their dreams on a regular basis, while also
attempting group projects. For the purpose of collaboration, teams are also
grouped in ‘Clans’ of five. I decide to incubate a lucid dream to meet the
Sea Life dreamers on our ship, and was a little surprised to discover two
ships (seemingly, an echo of the grouping arrangements):
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Conscious Dream: All Aboard
I'm watching a movie. It starts off a little like a pirate movie. I remember
thinking that the two ships are in some kind of competition with one
another, but soon decide after watching them head out to shore side-by-side
that this is unlikely to be the case. If they wanted to take over the others
boat, they'd have done it already. They're both huge ships, massively long
and narrow hulls, perhaps 100m in length, but only 10 in width. At either
end the ships rise into the sky, a little like a viking boat, but perhaps
with not so ornamentation on the design. They’re pretty incredible, and
appear to be of dark-brown wooden construction.
As both ships head out into the ocean, I notice the massive waves that they
move across. Each time a big wave rolls in, the rather large crew who are
scattered along the boat, go tumbling about 20m up into the air. It's
incredible - somehow each time they manage to land. A little shuffling
about, but they land nevertheless (apart from the occasional crew member,
who falls into the ocean). As I sit watching the movie, I become incredibly
immersed in the energy of their movement, and their tumbling to the ship
floor amidst the rush of the massive waves.
I realise that I'm actually sitting in the cinema, with my best friend
'Rob', and it is at this point that I begin to realise that the movie is so
powerful that I could just drift off into conscious dreaming, right then and
there. Incredible! I close my eyes, hoping that my friend won't wake me as I
shift into this new state. The feeling of rising off into a conscious dream,
from the movie seat is a pretty cool one!
Focusing on the audio or just the feeling of the movie, soon enough I find
myself there out in the water. I still think my physical body is back in the
movie cinema. There's a strange feeling, out there in the dark. I remember
looking up into the sky, and suddenly becoming empty and fearful for no
particular reason. I bring myself back without a thought, but start
wondering if that's just because I'm not willing to face that feeling head
on. Little bursts of lightning begin to spray across the sky.
By now of course, I've remembered what I wanted to do in my dream. I wanted
to go find out the name of our ship, and meet the other dreamers. I start
calling out for the ship, and am surprised when one rocks up. This is of
more modern construction, a little like a large motorboat. There's someone
who's already on it, and rides up to me to pick me up. I think it's my best
friend 'Rob'. I remember being a bit surprised that there aren't more people
on the boat and I ask about it.
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Upon waking, I wondered if the two ships were the dreamers from Sea Life;
broken into the two clans that exist at the moment. It occurred to me that
maybe I had my own little boat, so I could travel between the ships of both
clans. This is very much the case metaphorically, as I help out with the
projects being run in both teams. As a symbol, the ship demonstrates that
when we put all our resources together, we can make the journey a whole lot
more enjoyable for ourselves.
DAFUMU FOR THE SEA LIFE
We’ve recently begun a more focused and intensive night or two of DaFuMu
dreaming and meditation to accompany our month-long dreaming projects.
DaFuMu, is a term familiar to members of the World Dreams Peace Bridge,
meaning “a big dream of good fortune”.
http://www.worlddreamspeacebridge.org/
This month we participated in a DaFuMu to improve the environmental
conditions of the Sea Life, with much success! My dream came quite
spontaneously, reminding me of the little things we could do to improve the
oceans environmental conditions, and reconnecting me to the natural dream
wisdom of my land and the Australian Aboriginal people:
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Dream: Original State (Explora)
I'm out on the beach, by the Ocean. There seems to have been a wood-fire
burning. It's now out. At this point some Australian aboriginal men appear,
merged seamlessly into the texture of their dream. Their faces are covered
in ocher rock paints. I come to understand, that traditionally when the
aboriginal people move from place to place, they try and return the beach to
it's original state.
It seems they spend a few days?, dancing on the beach, crushing the wood
into dirt-like granules. I begin to dance like the aboriginal people,
noticing the cigarette butts, which we've left there, hidden in the sand,
knowing that these won't just dissolve into the sand with the wood! I
continue dancing, until the wood is little more than patches of brown powder
amongst the sand.
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Also this month, we were lucky enough to have Pasquale, the creator of the
LD4ALL forum join us in our adventures. Her dream gave great insight into
the need for more respect for the environmental conditions of the Sea Life:
http://www.ld4all.com/
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Conscious Dream: Seed of Life (Pasquale)
I am taken to the ocean or I'm already there. I remember the DaFuMu. When
reading the quest on Sea Life it made me think about how humankind uses the
ocean - they fish it empty, dump all their toxic waste in there and all
their garbage.
In the dream I now see some kind of animation, but it is also 3d. It reminds
me of a Greenpeace commercial. Everything is white but the lines are squiqly
black, a specific animations tyle.
Animation:
A boat comes. It dumps a giant barrel black barrel marked with a white skull
in the sea. It fishes a huge amount of fish out of the sea. It dumps more
stuff.
After doing that it produces a golden (this is gold and shiny not black and
white) "Seed of Life" and dumps it in the ocean.
Right after that a sail pole goes up on the boat, but not as high as it used
to be. I understand that this has been going on for a long time and every
time the Seed of Life has been dropped the sailpole goes down a little. In
the beginning it would have been huge.
In the dream this brings a lot of understanding. Now I write it down, I
ponder on the meaning. If it continues like that, soon the Seed of Life
won't be powerful enough to produce a sailpole long enough to take the boat
home. The Seed of Life symbolises the power of life of the ocean. But the
more garbage and poison we dump and fish we take out, the Seed of Life
cannot put up with it any longer, the balance is gone. It could also mean
that due to all the poison the sea life have a lower life energy within
them.
So stop poisoning the sea life.
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In the dream Pasquale had been eager to remember the animation so she could
reproduce it or make a storyboard for Greenpeace. Given that our site’s
called Dreampeace I couldn’t help smiling when I read her story. Since this
time, Pasquale has kindly offered to draw the animation, for use on our
homepage.
So how then can we best contribute to a positive change in environmental
conditions for the Sea Life. The birth of the Sea Life Star Foundation was
an idea first seeded through dreams many months ago. My DaFuMu developed on
the concept, advising that Sunwolf and I were to be co-heads of the Star
Foundation.
In the future it’s my hope that the Sea Life Star Foundation, could
contribute to research + preservation schemes for the Sea Life, which come
directly from our dreams. It’s my belief that dream experiences could put us
in direct contact with the Sea Life, helping to understand their needs
better, and how we could go about improving their conditions. Given the
nature of the military’s deep sonar projects, and their impact on the sea
life below, surely it would make more sense to learn about the sea
creatures, if the communication lines were to remain available on both sides
of the waterline!
Stay tuned next month for the results of our experiences ‘Dreaming with the
Trees’. We welcome new dreamers to join us in our adventures.
Email:
explora@...
Forum:
http://sealife.dreamofpeace.net/
Newsletter:
http://www.dreamofpeace.net/thewaves/
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Message: 712-001
Subject: The Tragic and the Magic
dream_title: The Tragic and the Magic
dream_date: 12/17/2003
dreamer_name: Alexander
dream_text: My dream started out with a small creature, similar to a human
but definitely not, in what appeared to be a parking lot. On either side of
it, there were two tall, dark buildings with single doors at the bottom. The
creature was apparently a guard, because he was standing near two "cars."
Then, two people appeared, one from each building. These two, unlike the
guard, were both human, and looked like business people. The creature
allowed them to get to the cars (which belonged to them) while making small
talk that I cannot remember. Suddenly, the creature offered them something
as they drove around (they did not leave the area as they drove; instead,
they just drove in a complex pattern). It was a small tourniquet. The first
man, who was blonde said "No thanks." The second man, black-haired, also
said "No thanks." Then, they both got out of their cars and into the
buildings (they did not, however, go into the same building they came out
of), and the creature went silent again. Almost instantly, they came out
again and began to drive. Once again, the creature offered something, but a
different thing. This time, it was a shiny blue thing not unlike a
rolls-royce, but definitely not a car. And once again, they refused and went
back into the buildings. Then, the same thing happened, but the creature
offered nothing and watched the two drive. As they drove, I woke up (I have
absolutely no idea what the dream means).
dream_comments: I believe this was inspired by a Marilyn Manson song I was
listening to called "Dope Hat," and I also think that the dream was not
finished. In fact, I took a nap later and had the same dream with a little
added on to it, but I can't remember what that part was.
COMMENTS: 713-001
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Message: 713-001 [712-001]
Subject: Re: REPLY AND INTERPRETATION OF THE TRAGIC AND THE MAGIC!
the blond haired man represents white magic the dark haired man black magic.
the creature i would say is a gnome and it's not so much marilyn manson's
song as it is his image that i think has influenced this dream. u are being
offered magical gifts by the gnome and it's not the men who r refusing them
it's u. for right now u think your fine with what u have and what u know but
it's not acually getting u anywhere which is y your driving around the lot
rather than leaving. your not driving in circles either u seem to be
creating your own magical maze or labrynth i'm hoping i spelled that right.
u wanna carve out your own path and not learn from this creature who has
more to offer u. i don't know if your afraid to learn more about what u have
or u think it's 2 involved which is where the business suits come in. people
who r organized, efficient and know a great deal more than they should have
to, to get the job done. anyway it's entirely up to the person as 2 whether
or not magic is going 2 b used for good or evil. from what u told me about
yourself it seems u are intent on only doing good. so don't worry about what
other people say about u the same people who think they know more than they
do and have horribly misjudged marilyn manson as well. as for y the 2 men
came out separate buildings but then went back in but not thru the same ones
all that means is that u can't go thru one door without knowing and learning
more about yourself than when u went in. the tall buildings could represent
progress or places of learning. the tourniquet represent the fact u feel
overwhelmed and not exactly blessed with the psychic gifts that have been
bestowed and the shiny blue thing that reminds u of the rolls royce
represents the wonderful and much better thing u could have if u did learn
more about what u have. rolls royce represents power, prestige something
good. the cars represent going somewhere and doing something with what u
have been given. anyway may i say u have excellent taste in music i listen
to the man myself and saw him 2x in concert. marilyn manson has his own
website where u can read his journal about where he's going, what he's
doing, who he's working with. what not what ever! he's pissing me off by not
mentioning a damn thing about his wife it's always about him, him, him. i
want u to know i still have the other dreams u sent me but have been working
overtime at my job to pay off my dental bill but i will get around to them.
and i did look up the lyrics to "dope hat" on the internet! your afraid of
abusing your powers and messing up. magic/tragic! doesn't have to be that
way! bye! happy holidays!
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Message: 714-001
Subject: fire chasing me
dream_title: fire chasing me
dream_date: 12/14/03
dreamer_name: anna
dream_text: in a dark tunnel like place like a cave but it was decorated
beautifly. There were tons of people. It was me walking talking to people
walking by like no big deal, like it was a community or club atmosphere.
Then a fire ball? came out of no where and everyone was running. I survived
it past the "club atmosphere got back to normal" the fireballs were normal
they came fast and then went but I was really scared. There was a beautiful
read round couch and 2 arabic men? and my best friend that I havent talked
to was there, the one arabic men liked me and started talking to me my best
freind wanted me to ask him for a free drink I did he got us drinks and we
were having a good time despite i was scared but trying to be happy in this
cave type club enviroment with lots of people and firballs. There all types
of people. The last thing I remember is the color red everywhere.
dream_comments: My life in reality has changed rapidly. I use to be a very
happy person. I never cared too much about my thoughts until now i think and
think until there is no life in me. sometimes i think my life is one big
dream. My dreams are getting weirder. Please help? Will life get better? is
this what my dream is saying or worse?
COMMENTS: 714-003
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Message: 714-002
Subject: my odd dream
dream_title: my odd dream
dreamer_name: shity dream
dream_text: I had this dream that I was at a friends house and we were going
to carve letters, which I dont know what letters. But we were carving
letters on each other and I was carving on her ass cheek and for some reason
I desided to lick the blood off, and then wipped it with a paper towel. Well
then she was carving on my lower back and i woke up before anything else
happened. I woke up telling my self what the hell was that all about?? i
didnt think i had a meaning like most of my dreams but if it did, than what?
dream_comments: if you can tell me what that was supposed to mean than i
would really like to know, i thought it was kinda funny though!!
COMMENTS: 715-001
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Message: 714-003 [714-001]
Subject: Re:THE INTERPRETATION OF FIRE CHASING ME! DON'T WORRY YOUR FINE!
i would say u have a very old soul and at least it's not a dark and scary
cave. that cave was filled with many spirit friends of yours some of whom
you've known in previous lifetimes. that world u were in was destroyed a
long time ago but the spirits survive. there was nothing to worry about i'd
say your in good company. u seem to respect all peoples, cultures and
religions and even if u don't know i think u once did many a lifetime ago
and they remember even if u don't.
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Message: 715-001 [714-002]
Subject: Re: ALL DREAMS R ODD DREAMS HERE'S MY INTERPRETATION OF YOURS
well is could be one of 2 things either the dream is telling u that u knew
each other in another life and that u2 were members of the same tribe where
they actually did such things as scarification or the dream could be telling
u that u want to get to know her in a much more personal way than what you
have been. are you thinking about getting a tattoo or a matching one with
someone u know and are close too? also u asked me earlier if your life is
gonna get better and y your dreams r getting stranger. only u can determine
whether or not your life is gonna get better all i can say is don't let
other people weigh u down and try to focus on yourself and not get
overinvolved in other people's problems. as to y your dreams r getting
stranger u said it yourself you are going thru major life changes right now
and the more intense that experience is the more intense your dreams will be
2 they are trying to help u focus and remain grounded although usually your
dreams give u more information than your ready to deal with for right now.
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Message: 716-001
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Message: 717-001
Subject: i saw myself as the opposite sex
dream_title: i saw myself as the opposite sex
dream_date: january 4, 2004
dreamer_name: Tanya
dream_text: I saw myself as the opposite sex
dream_comments: does this mean i want to be a man?
COMMENTS: 718-001, 719-001, 720-003
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Message: 717-002
Subject: my nightmare
dream_title: my nightmare
dream_date: 01/06/2004
dreamer_name: jessyb
dream_text: i dreamt that i was at home and i was trying to get my nefew
ready for a party which i did and i let him go out side to play but then it
got dark outside and i called for him to come back inside but he did not
come back and i was sitting by my living room window calling him by the way
then i searched every where and buy this time i was getting scared then i
checked the basment and there he was so bring him up stair to clean him up
then i see a bloody kitchen knife on the table and my mom tell me to clean
it so i tried to clean it but it would not coe off so a throw it in the
garbage can and went into my old bed room which was in the dining room and
all of a sudden i here a mans screaming in agony as if he was being murdered
at this time was scared so i lifted my blankets the first time to try and
get some sleep but i still ept hearing it then i looked in the kitchen and
saw darkess but the screams continued and then i lifted my blanket again and
that is when i woke up
dream_comments: it was some scary dream i such would like to kno wat it
means
COMMENTS: 720-004, 720-006
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Message: 717-003
Subject: the dog
dream_title: th dog
dream_date: 03.01.2004
dreamer_name: nan
dream_text: i was in the kitchen of the hotel that i work in and there was a
german shepphard/alsatian dog that kept coming to me for cuddles. his owner
was one of the cooks but hadn't arrived yet. i was petting the dog all the
time and he was happy and kept on coming back for more. one of the other
cooks told me that his owner should be back soon. i said how strange taht i
should be cuddling this dog as this type usually scared me. i felt that i
could feel the dogs fur whilst dreaming.
dream_comments: i had heard in the past that dreaming of dogs means
unfaithful female friends!
COMMENTS: 720-002
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Message: 718-001 [717-001]
Subject: Re: i saw myself as the opposite sex
hiya i had a dream about just the same thing and i was a woman and it just
felt strange to me but i came to the conclushion that all it was about for
me any way was that i was becoming balanced with the male and female parts
of my self
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Message: 719-001 [717-001]
Subject: Re: i saw myself as the opposite sex
Goodness! Talk about synchronicity! I just joined this group today. Last
night while reading "Seth Speaks" I can across something that MIGHT explain
the dreams.
For those not familiar with Seth, he is an entity that was channeled by Jane
Roberts.
During part of his dictation on reincarnation he states, "...each person
lives both male and female lives....to prevent an overidentification of the
individual with his present sex, within the male there resides an inner
personification of femaleness...Jung called the 'anima'....The male will
often dream of himself, therefore, as a female. The particular way in which
he does so, can tell him much about his own reincarnational background in
which he operated as a female."
In women, the "anumus" is present for the same reason.
Seth continues, "Through the anima and the anumus, so-called, present
personalities are able to draw upon the knowledge and intuitions and
background that was derived from past existences as the opposite sex. On
some occasions, for example, the woman may go overboard and exaggerate
female characteristics, in which case the animus or male within comes to her
aid, bringing through dream experiences an onrush of knowledge that will
result in compensating malelike reactions."
"The same applies to a male when he over-identifies with what he believes to
be male characteristics, for whatever reason. The anima or woman within will
rouse him to make compensating actions, causing an upsurge of intuitive
abilities, bringing a creative element to offset aggressiveness."
May have nothing to do with your dreams. It is just a thought.
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Message: 719-002
Subject: the observer, a turtle snake and time travel
Last night I dreamed that I was observing this woman who was having a hard
time in her life. She ended up leaving her child and walking toward me, up
this hill which was covered with giant sea turtles. She and I switched
places and I walked down the hill and the sea turtles began to form into
this slithering shape form, while still being sea turtles, they were just
moving and I was led to the child which I was then taking to safety. I was
accompanied by a man and we took the child (a little boy, I think, probably
about 2 years of age) until we could go no further. We hid but we were
caught. Then there was a woman interrogating me in a room. I told her that
her office wouldn't be there in a year . . . as if, I had come from the
FUTURE. And I knew this to be true.
COMMENTS: 720-001, 720-005, 723-001, 732-003, 732-006
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Message: 720-001 [719-002]
Subject: Re: the observer, a turtle snake and time travel
I would like to attempt to help you interepret this dream, but first I would
like to know if you recall any feelings DURING the dream. And when your say
"observing" was it from above or were you on the hill, or some other place?
Was there any furniture in the room? If so, what?
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Message: 720-002 [717-003]
Subject: Re: the dog
You're usually afraid of Alsatians, but you were cuddling one. That's
interesting. Maybe the dream is telling you there's something you're afraid
of, but you shouldn't be because it isn't really scary after all. Something
to do with work maybe?
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Message: 720-003 [717-001]
Subject: Re: i saw myself as the opposite sex
Probably not. What was your male self doing? If he was doing everything the
opposite of what you'd normally do, then maybe he just represents
oppositeness in general.
Or maybe it's your subconscious trying to tell you something. What do *you*
think of as male behaviour? E.g. If it's something like assertiveness or
being control, then perhaps the dream's telling you to be more assertive, or
to stand up for yourself more. (Yeah, I know, those were tired old clichés
of male behaviour, but that was just an example. You get the idea.)
The important thing is that you don't need to rush out and get a sex-change
operation just because of one dream. :)
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Message: 720-004 [717-002]
Subject: Re: INTERPRETATION OF YOUR WEIRD AND CREEPY NIGHTMARE
well u said u were getting your nephew ready for a party was it a birthday
party? if so u could be worried that he's gonna grow up and move away which
is y you waited for him to come back to u not sure if he really would. as
for finding the boy in the basement with the bloody knife u could be worried
that this boy is in danger if he leaves u. another way of looking at it
sounds like the boy may have committed the murder. which means he used a
force he otherwise wouldn't use to get himself out of an ugly situation. but
then u tried to cover up someone else's mess and prevent that person from
taking responsibility for their own actions by throwing away the evidence.
and u were'nt supposed to do that which is y you continued being haunted by
it even after u went to sleep. it seems there's a ghost of a man who's
haunting u. if it's not a personal family situation that's bothering u maybe
u should check into the history of the house and find out what happened
there u could be picking up on some left over psychic residue.
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Message: 720-005 [719-002]
Subject: Re: Re: the observer, a turtle snake and time travel
I was observing from above as, in heaven or in the sky.
The only furniture that I recall in the room was a desk. A big desk. And
there was dark wood paneling -- or the room was just very dark. And I
remember the color red. Like a strip of red velvet or something.
In the dream I felt calm while I was "observing". When the turtle/snake
began to slide me away, I just felt it was strange. But I wasn't frightened
at all. I felt anxious, but not frightened while I was hiding with the
child. More like I knew I was going to be caught, didn't want to be caught,
but was not afraid of any consequences. During the interrogation I felt
"knowing". Like I just knew that I was doing the right thing. The
interrogator wasn't harsh or anything, I just knew that "they", being
represented by the interrogator, were wrong and that their lives and what
they care about would be different in a year. The interrogator was a woman,
similar in age and appearance to myself.
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Message: 720-006 [717-002]
Subject: Re: INTERPRETATION OF YOUR WEIRD AND CREEPY NIGHTMARE
Home represents self/your body. Have you been getting yourself ready? Have
you been making some physical/psychological/mental/spiritual changes over
this new year? Some resolutions, perhaps?
A party is a time of pleasure when work is completed. Were you planning to
go to the party with your nephew? And then you experienced fear because your
nephew was lost. Are you afraid to let loose? Are you afraid to reveal your
inner child?
Do you have any children? Blood is passion, and may point to mother (the
basis of creation).
A knife is a symbol for masculinity, aggression, seeking power. Couple that
with passion (as in blood). Perhaps this is your passionate male self
needing to be revealed, or your subconscious desire to kill it. Are you able
to show your wounds and acknowledge your injuries? Can you see that
acknowledging your wounds and your vulnerabilities could make you more human
and likable?
When you say you lifted your blankets, was this in your dream or in your
waking life?
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Message: 721-001
Subject: Re: RESPONSE TO THE DESERT DREAM!
u said u were in the military the dream sounds like u were in desert storm
but whatever u did in the military sounds like u were doing it well a little
bit too well and then u got scared that u would alienate all your friends
and that maybe they would turn against u for succeeding where they have
failed. the more u did the more the others around u fell to the wayside and
in the end u gave up cuz heaven forbid u should succeed in life without
everyone else trying to keep u down or put u down for it. sorry it took so
long to respond. i was overwhelmed and felt like i lost my mojo regarding
the interpretation of other people's dreams. i hope this helps and or is
accurate. but don't let other people get the better of u too the point where
u feel like u have to suppress yourself and u feel like u can't breathe
without everyone judging u or wanting to turn u away!
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Message: 721-002
Subject: My Dream: Underwater in Space
Last night I dreamt that I was working in outer space. There was a man I was
working with who needed to complete a task outside of the space ship, in an
underwater setting. I knew that he needed someone else to be with him to
complete the activity, and I had the feeling that what he was doing was
wrong.
I told him that I would help him, even though breathing underwater is very
scarey for me (we had diving gear, I almost hyperventilate when I snorkel).
I was worried about the man and put my hand in the center of his back, as I
do often in real life to people -- it's a heart opening thing -- and then he
touched my leg and awakened a sexual desire . . .
The details are pretty fuzzy, I don't remember much else . . .
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Message: 722-001
Subject: green glowing cats
all i remember from a very long dream last night was this part. i am in my
parents bedroom in the house i grew up at. There is this giant spider-like
web where all these green glowing newborn kittens are hanging on. I reach
for one and hold it to my chest, and close my eyes. I hear it purring, the
purring sounds like something an alien cat would generate. i cant even
describe it. i like holding it close but i know i have to put it back or it
will not live, so i do. also the way it moved, very slow and.. the texture
of the creature is also hard to describe, i really cant remember.
btw i'm a guy, just in-case you thought differently.
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Message: 723-001 [719-002]
Subject: Re: the observer, a turtle snake and time travel
I want to sincerely apologize for taking so long with this reply. My
computer went down shortly after you response. I just got it back last
night.
First, let me restate my position on dream interpretation. Only the dreamer
can make truly correct interpretations. Others can only give their opinions.
It is up to the dreamer to decide if an interpretation "fits".
When I am an "observer" in my dreams, it usually means that 1) it is my
higher-self observing the action and/or 2) I do not want to acknowledge /
take part in what the dream pertains to.
Below are some possible definitions that can be substituted for the symbols
in this dream:
Woman - female side of self (intuitive, emotional, nurturing, etc.)
Child - innocent, open, flexible, playful, childish, immature, or
undeveloped aspect of self
Hill - opportunity for growth
Sea - deep emotions; unmanifested thoughts
Turtles - tendency to hide within its shell; slow but steady
Going UP the hill - positive direction
Going DOWN the hill - negative direction
Man - male side of self (assertive, rational, intellectual, etc.)
Note: At one point, the man, you and child were together.
This could be hinting at a trinity.
Woman "interrogator" - aspect of self that questions in order to find the
answers
Office - daily life, productivity
Desk - mental activity
Dark - unknown, unconscious
Red - power, energy (or lack of)
Bottom line, this dream could be telling you that you are "hiding" a
behavior as represented by the child. Only you know what this behavior may
be. It appears that you are aware of it, but don't want to acknowledge it.
Since you are going DOWN the hill to unite with it, I take this to mean that
it should be left behind. In other words, if you choose to leave this
behavior behind, you have an opportunity for growth. The "interrogator" part
of the dream could mean a part of you is questioning the behavior that
another part of you thinks is right.
As far as the future... it COULD be your self from the future coming thru in
this dream. However, it could also be that you are really, really, really
rejecting something here.
This dream could also be a review, of sorts, of something that has already
happened. Thus, your higher-self "knows" the outcome.
There are so many ifs, ands and buts in this dream that it makes is
difficult to interpret without BEING you. That is why I included the
possible definitions. So you could substitute the one that is most accurate,
or "get the juices flowing" to come up with your own definitions. This is a
very interesting dream that can lead to a lot of contemplation.
I hope that I have helped you. If not, give us some more input, and I'll try
again.
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Message: 724-001 [722-001]
Subject: Re: RESPONSE TO THE GLOWING GREEN ALIEN CATS
i think the kittens remind u of someone or a few people. kittens represent
the female aspect this person or persons is alone scared confused. which is
y they feel like an alien caught in a web or maze. u like this person or
persons and want desperately to help them but your afraid of going overboard
and suffocating that person with your love rather than killing them or risk
losing them u put them back. if this was at your parents house could be
someone from your neighborhood that u grew up with or someone from school a
long lost high school sweetheart. have u been thinking of contacting someone
lately? but were afraid they didn't want u around someone u haven't thought
about in a long time but for some odd reason u are now? rather than focusing
on the universal definition of your dream just focus on what the images
remind u of. i had to do that when i had a dream of a barbed wire fence
going straight down the middle of the ocean for 2 days i wasted my time on
the ultimate definition as if it could be defined by looking it up in a
dream encylopedia or dictionary but dreams r a lot more personal than that.
so i focused instead on what the image looked like and reminded me of than i
got my answer: oceans apart. u know when lovers right letters to each other
stating: even though we're miles/oceans apart i think of u every day. so who
r u thinking of that u still have feelings for? MAYBE U HAD FEELINGS FOR
MANY PEOPLE AND COULDN'T DECIDE WHO IT IS U WANTED TO B WITH. SO RATHER THAN
DECIDING U PUT THEM BACK.
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Message: 725-001
Subject: I dream of blue birds
In my dream I was in my hose and I was holding a blue bird that I had
rescued. I was trying to bring the bird closer to my chest but it felt like
something strong was holding it back like it was pulling away from me with
enormous strangth. Then Then Then the birds beak became very sharp and it
was trying to bite my so I held it away. then the blue bird changed into a
child that looked like my little sister. Then it jumped on be and stuck out
its tong and it and a forked shaped stinger on it. My mom cried out that it
was a poisonous bird as it tried to sting me in the throat I tried to pull
it off me but it felt as heavy as a man. I finally managed to get it off me
and I put it out side, and then the child changed back into the blue bird
and flew away.
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Message: 726-001 [722-001]
Subject: Re: RESPONSE TO THE GLOWING GREEN ALIEN CATS
cymone - yes. that puts a lot of it into perspective for me. thank you.
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Message: 726-002
Subject: my nightmare
from late January 2004
my roomate (who then after is my mother) drives me to a persons house who is
a friend of hers (this person swtiches between man and woman). The house is
huge (I feel 12 years old or younger). I remember staring at the wall, made
of brick, and tracing it high to the ceiling wondering, was this how i
thought of my old house looking like - if i had wanted it to look like that
when i was younger, and if that is how i had imagined it in my mind. Then I
recall looking to my right, and saw the immensity of the room. It pushed
back into to darkness, as the room was dimly lit. In the darkest corner or
the room I see childrens furniture. I turn around, there are three or more
children who disappear into a hallway. I then wonder how it must be for them
to grow up in this dim huge house, and that they will grow into bad people
who will take from life. I feel this will happen because I have a haunted
feeling, this whole time. I walk into a much larger room. What captures my
attention most is a giant 'video phone'. I remembered now this was why my
roomate wanted to come over (he's into buying hi-tech gadgets). I move
closer to the video phone, and study it. I seem impressed with not only
because it seems a major leap from current technology, but mainly because it
may be possible to use it to transmit and communicate to the impossible. Or
perhaps just take me out of this dream. I wanted to interact with it, but I
wasn't sure if I would know how to use it, and also, i didn't believe it to
be mine. Some point after this, my mothers friend discovers a secret room in
the house. my mother and the friend and I walk into the room. I quickly
discover the room has spirits in it. Somehow I have knowledge about spirts
and I warn the others not to take advantage of their hospitality. But they
do. We are drinking wine that the spirits pour for us. I having two glasses
decide that is enough. Anymore and the spirits will possess me and I will be
trapped in that room. I see my mother and her friend (now a guy) are getting
drunk off the spirits hospitality. I tell them that we have to leave right
now. My mother, almost enitrely possessed but just able enough to think for
herself, with all the love she has for me and because she still wants me to
save me, hands me her (car) keys. I take my mother's friend's son (maybe six
years old, who all of a sudden is in the room with us) and we get out of the
room. I tell him, you have to lead the way out of here and we must run away
from the house as fast as we can. He leads me down the hall (where the kids
disappeared into previously) and there is a door leading outside (it is the
backdoor). There is grass and such and I am struggling to keep up with the
kid. We have to run across a slightly dangerous river. He did it quick,
evidently experienced, which reminded me of myself at that age. The scene
changes back to the room, and what has become of my mother and her guy
friend (who she is cheating on my father with). What happens then, and the
things they do to each other, are so disturbing that I will not write it
down for display. Basically, they decide to have sex right there, mocking
the spirits, as the spirts possess their minds and they violently kill each
other. This then returns to me, (as the child??) crawling up a grassy hill,
on my hands and knees, struggling to make it to the top, to make it over.
and i feel so tired, so tired that i cant make it, and i keep climbing.
in real life my mother did cheat on my father once. and i am not sure if she
knows that i know this.
COMMENTS: 728-001
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Message: 726-003 [722-001]
Subject: Re: Re: RESPONSE TO THE GLOWING GREEN ALIEN CATS
I just have something to add. I've had a good number of spiritual dreams
lately and when I have found the meaning of them, when it finally clicks for
me..I'm overwhelmed with intense emotions. First, I feel tingly all over,
depending on the intensity of the meaning sometimes I cry for hours. The
other day I was trying to figure out the meaning of one of my dreams and a
friend was also helping. He actually came up with the meaning. I began to
cry. He also had this tingling sensation and started to well up with tears.
My question is....does anyone else get these feelings also? Also, as I was
reading the interpratation of this dream when I got to the oceans apart
aspect...I got the tingling sensation again. I also became very sensitve
where I could feel myself touched in a way. I just wanted to share that
part. Thanks.
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Message: 727-001
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Message: 727-002 [725-001]
Subject: Re: MY INTERPRETATION OF YOUR BLUE BIRD SISTER
well is sounds 2 me like u think of your sister as being small and delicate
which in actuality she is quite vicious and refuses to take advice from
anyone about her life and or relationships with others. even your own mother
warned u not 2 bother because it's bad enough your sister screwed up her own
life let alone taking u down with her. u said that when u tried to pull the
bird off it became heavy like a man. so this would mean to me your trying to
save her from a relationship that might not be at all conducive to her
well-being. she of course could care less. i have too much personal
experience when it comes to saving people from themselves and their
relationships. i got over-involved in my sisters relationships for about 5
yrs. she hated me, yelled at me, kept secrets. and i didn't care how much
she hated me as long as i felt i was doing right by her she could hate me
all she wanted. i listened in on her phone conversations, i spied on her and
her boyfriend if he came over 2 see her, i yelled at and hung up on her
boyfriends, my sister would tell on me to my dad and me and my dad would get
into arguements and even though my dad took my side he told me to stay out
of my sister's life. which since we were still living under the same roof
was damn near impossible to do. after 5 yrs. my sister came up to me one day
and said: LISTEN THIS IS MY LIFE AND I KNOW U LOVE ME AND ARE ONLY TRYING TO
PROTECT ME BUT YOU CAN'T STOP ME FROM MAKING MISTAKES THEY ARE MY MISTAKES
TO MAKE!" and u know she was right since then i backed off completely only
to see my sister make much worse mistakes then the ones i was trying to save
her from. the only thing u can do for someone is to just be there if and
when they need u. you need to focus on yourself and do good things for
yourself and just basically set an example to her as to how good life can be
if u want it to be that way. i know it's hard it kills me to see how many
mistakes she made. but u know what she survived them and came out on top.
she's doing the best that she can and only she and she alone can change
things for herself but she has to wanna do that. you can't do it for her.
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Message: 728-001 [726-002]
Subject: Re: RESPONSE 2 THE NIGHTMARE OF THE CHEATING MOM
your mom was possessed cuz after all what would possess her 2 have an
affair? that is so unlike her. the spirits were being overly courteous and
then tried to take advanatage of your mom. u thought the man she had an
affair with took advantage of your mom. u seem to feel more guilty about it
than she does. your dream is literally telling u you r being haunted by your
past. the violence that commences after sex means that u were afraid your
moms affair would destroy or tear apart the family. if u were afraid to tell
your mom that u knew about the affair i'm sure no one told your dad. the end
of your dream when your a child climbing up a hill signifies that u had a
long internal struggle with yourself. you are on your hands and knees almost
begging for forgiveness. u can't make it over the hill cuz this matter still
bothers u and u feel it's an obstacle that still stands in your way. u feel
the affair was childish and never should have happened and yet u have a
great deal
of empathy for your mother. i think the video phone means u almost wish the
affair was taped so your dad would see it and no one would have to say
anything he would just know and u wouldn't have to feel guilty for keeping
it a secret. i think u secretly wanna use the phone not to get out of the
dream but to turn back time so the affair never took place. you are also
afraid that u will end up like your mom and take away from life. u don't
wanna cheat on anyone and keep it a secret and have it with hold u from
living your life without fear and guilt that somehow someway someone will
find out. maybe you should tell your mom about your dream and let her know
you've been haunted by it for far too long. i don't know what's going on now
that this dream would all of a sudden surface after so many years. p.s.
sting released his autobiography and he actually caught his mom in the act
he said it made him mistrust women and he too cheated on his 1st wife but
not the one he's been married to for about 20 years now. u said that u
didn't believe the video phone to be yours maybe u still feel like it's your
moms job to tell your dad and not yours. which that is more her business
than it is yours even though u feel deeply affected by it. u following the
kid out the back door means u wanted to run away from the situation u were
afraid of the danger if anyone found out and u wanted to deny the situation
took place in the 1st place.
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Message: 729-001
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Message: 730-001
Subject: bad dreams
I keep dreaming that the world comes to an end and im with my mom and there
is a big explosion and when i die i feel happy and at peace and im with my
mom and we were floating up to heaven but then i stopped and she went ahed
of me but i have to stay on earth as a ghost.
COMMENTS: 731-001
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Message: 731-001 [730-002]
Subject: Re: RESPONSE TO THE BAD DREAM PERSON I THOUGHT IT WAS SWEET OF YOU!
well i don't know what you've been going thru lately to make u feel that
every day is the end of the world day. every 1,000 yrs. at the start of the
new millenium people think the worlds going to end (ie. REM song) the world
will always be changing even if it's not the end. the dream could mean that
u and your mom have been thru a great deal more than what most people have
and for whatever reason u 2 survived. u neglected to mention if your mom is
still alive. if she is the dream could be a forewarning that she's ready to
leave this world or she has some unknown illness that needs treating. if she
has already passed on she will always be there waiting for u. and in her own
way she will always be with u. but lets not be in a hurry ourselves to reach
that other side. the dream says u are a warm compassionate person who is
close to your family that u accept fate whatever fate may be for u and that
u are not afraid of death. good people such as yourself are usually not
afraid of death u know where your going to end up. anyway your still here to
accomplish something and the spirit of your mom will always be with u. if u
are a ghost in this dream maybe u feel incomplete like somethings missing or
u could feel neglected by others. the dead often feel neglected if their
still sticking around as a ghost. this dream could also mean u need to honor
your ancestor spirits and keep their memory alive. u could find a way to
celebrate that and pray for them. throw a dinner party in their honor
leaving a seat or 2 empty and such.
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Message: 731-002
Subject: again
well my last dream wasnt posted but i just awoke from almost the exact same
thing.
i'm doing stuff and stuff. old friends. i am in his house (100X Bigger). I
seem to be staying there, in the basement. His parents leave a party there
before they leave. The only room I find out after I wake up and go upstairs,
is a room with plastic dummies that are animated to look like a party. The
other two rooms are boarded shut. Apparently I was supposed to animated
those rooms. but i'm way too tired to do that.now i am in my house (roomate
owns house i pay rent.) i let two obviously dangerous people rent extra
rooms in the house (in reality there arent any extra rooms). One person I
know for sure in reality. Though he takes on more menacing looks. I 'wake'
up at some point, I scream at him, how much is he and the other guy paying
rent, why didnt I let my roomate know about this? I am so angry at them and
at myself about all of this. So I go out in traffic and smash into his car.
I get out of my car and break his back windshield. This is where I raise my
hands and I am arrested. I tell the officer as he is handcuffing me, "I am
sorry" he says that is ok (he is mild mannered as I am being compliant). A
car tries to run him over, and just misses me as I dive to the ground next
to the police car. He runs after it and points his gun at it. Other cars try
to hit him, so He drags me through the street and abandons the
car. It is halloween outside, I see ppl in costumes. I explain to the cop,
"Halloween is where peoples true nature comes out. All these things they are
wearing, is who they are right now. But none of them are even wearing their
skin. Thats where it begins." We go to a party and its s&m oriented and he
still has me in handcuffs. This is where I kill him (i never witness this
happen).I am in my friends house, agonized. I go upstairs and run back
down. I was talking to myself and I didnt want him to see me. Felt very bad.
I peek upstairs and he has just awoken. He says how is it going. I walk up
the stairs, tell him this "I knew I was going to do something bad. I saw it.
Like in a vision, you know? And just like that, I am going to be in prison
for the rest of my life." I look in the plastic dummy room, and its then I
realize I might not have killed him, but a plastic dummy version of him
instead. The guilt was still there. I start thinking, how could I have
avoided all of this. Why, I was thinking about it, and it happened. I woke
up after that
note: i'm not entirely happy with my roomate situation. the other dudes who
moved in, the one i recognize had offered me a place to stay for cheaper
than i pay now. but that situation isnt much better than the one i'm in. as
far as the high school friend whos house i was staying at in the dream, i
dont even like him that much anymore. but we were friends i guess for years
until a point
COMMENTS: 733-001
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Message: 732-001
Subject: Dead Dad
In my dream I am sitting in a restraunt with my best friend, who tells me
she has something to tell me, she was supposed to wait 10 years to tell me,
but since she joined the navy she wants to tell me now b/c she doesn't know
where she'll be. So she pulls out a big envelope and gives me a picture of a
man. I look at it and she says 'it's your father, he's alive' (He died 7
years ago in real life) She told me that he lives in CA with a friend, that
he faked his death b/c he ran into money problems, but he wanted me to know
10 years after his death b/c that's when everything would be settled with
the money.
So I told my sister and we decided to go to CA to find him, we found his
house (drove to CA from KY in a very short time)and in his house there was a
picture of our family, next to that picture was a picture of his new family.
We spied on him with his family, he had plastic surgery, but it was him,
when he found us I kept yelling at him, and I ripped off my locket (I have
worn it every day since he passed). I remember how I was feeling in my
dream, which was the first for me.
COMMENTS: 733-002
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Message: 732-003 [719-002]
Subject: Re: I AGREE WITH YOU THERE
I dont completely understand the thing about the child representation part.
I did not have a child in my dream.
I am a married woman. He is an old friend to which I have had feelings for
but never told him. He does now know. Although I do love my husband, the
sexual fantasies are becoming more real. I dream about him pleasuring me and
us having sex in varioius locations. Although these dreams have spiced up my
sex life dramatically my husband has not been satisfying me to the fullest
extent. I did not tell him of this because he will get angry because he is
not fond of the person in question. I talk to my friend everyday and he also
is in a relationship with someone. They have been together for 3 years. He
also has been having sexual dreams about me and thinks that maybe we should
see if there is something there. I am not sure if I agree. I do not know
what to make of the sexual dreams. Like I said I love my husband, but I do
not understand how come the temptation for someone else is becoming more and
more real.
I have been on several websites and nothing is really making any sense to me
at this point. If could give me some advice in regards to this I would like
to hear it. I appreciate all that you have to say. I need to know if it is
my higher self telling me something.
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Message: 732-004
Subject: and another nightmare 02/04/04
I remember I am in the wilderness. I remembered at this point that I had
killed my ex's brother and his friend. What had happened was, they had me
cornered on the edge of a cliff. I somehow (though never once saw how)
survived, and they had fallen off the cliff , and I had something to do with
it. Nobody knew about this but my ex. I revisted the scene several times
(most of them in black and white). I was going up a hill, lost in the
wilderness. As I trodged up the hill seemed to disappear out of view into
the distant horizon (in place of fog), and with each step, more of the hill
was revealed. And I revisited the site several times. Some of the times, it
was just me there, remembering. Other times, it was happening all over
again. These and similar scenes I cannot recall
intermingled and I revisted them several times.
All of a sudden I felt vulnerable. That I had done a terrible thing. All
that saved me was that I killed them in self defense. This happened several
years ago, and only now was I remembering it had happened.
I am jumping over tables in a restaurant trying to get somewhere, when I see
my ex sitting at a table. I say, you are looking a lot better, a lot
healthier. I feel very awkward.
I am back on the cliff. There are some people coming up the trail toward me,
and I know they mean trouble. My friend from high school is there all of a
sudden, packing an uzi. He fires at the oncoming people, of course nothing
happens. I proceed to run backwards down the trail a bit and jump back,
hoping to fall through the trees and fall down the cliff that is there. I
jump again and fall back, hoping to fall down the mountain, as he is right
in front of me and he says to me "I am going to kill you". I feel that I
won't be able to get away even by jumping off the mountain. I'm not afraid
of dying at this point, I am only afraid of him and that he will catch up
with me and kill me. He litarally scared me to death.
I just recalled that my ex's brother and his brothers friend were children.
So was I, at the time. They were going to push me off the cliff and I was
terrified. I can't recall anything else.
notes: My ex who i really did recently run into in an awkward situation
makes sense, and I said the same thing that I said in the dream about
looking healthier. As for the brother and friend, they do not exist, they
are not people I have ever seen, at least to my knowledge. Yet this whole
day the dream has been troubling me, as I keep feeling it really did happen.
Bleh
COMMENTS:
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Message: 732-006 [719-002]
Subject: Re: RESPONSE TO [name removed] ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS 4 THIS OTHER
MAN.
i don't remember the dream in question that i have responded 2 as i have
responded to several and have a few left over from 2 months ago 2 work out.
i don't know y a higher self would tell u to risk it all and go after this
other person. u would have to ask your self how much u could gain and how
much u would lose and is the loss worth far more than u imagined. i don't
wanna b responsible 4 breaking up anyone's marriage as i don't have that
right i really have no advice in this matter other than i suggest u see a
marriage counselor, a priest, somone closer to the situation. write out a
list as 2 the pro's and cons of what could be and what is not possible. keep
it discreet and maybe a good talk with your husband about things that have
been building up things u thought didn't really matter but do. u could b
transferring your emotions to this other man cuz u feel more comfortable
talking with him and possibly feel that u can b more of yourself with him. i
don't know!
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Message: 733-001 [731-002]
Subject: Re: RESPONSE TO THE STRANGER 595
I like the fact that u saw these guys as dummies that was cute. i think u
thought u killed the police officer cuz u have had other people try to give
u advice and tell u what the right thing to do is. but even if they were
trying to help u like u said the other situtuation wasn't going to b much
better than the one u were in. u also felt guilty for leaving the party and
not joining in. which is y u went to sleep i think at the party u would feel
like less of yourself cuz u were so eager to fit in and b like everyone
else. u quite clearly feel like your being deceived by the majority of the
people around u. like they represent themselves to u one way and then their
true nature comes out later and if only u had known certain things about
them sooner which is where the halloween scenario comes in. as far as the
handcuffs and the s and m party u feel trapped by the people and situations
around u. u would almost that car have run u over to not be a party to this
party u r with
right now. anytime u get angry and your afraid to express it u will very
often act out this anger in dreams to alleviate yourself of this anger and
to express it in some form to get rid of it. i got angry at a friend once
for playing videos while i was in the library trying to sleep on the sofa
bed. rather than telling him off i had a dream i told him off and i felt
much better upon waking. just as long as your not physically harming someone
or killing them like in your dream it's ok to tell people off if they r not
conducive to your well being don't be afraid to let them go. some
relationships run their course and peter out. the person who was once good
for u no longer is. u don't hang onto them just cuz u put so much time and
effort into the relationship. u let go of the negative so the positive can
start to come in. i was friends with someone for 4 1/2 yrs. i moved in and
she started treating me with the same disrespect and contempt that she
perpetrates on others. She moved out and i moved on. i ran into her x-best
friend and former roomate someone i always liked at a festival a week later.
and we've been hanging out ever since. i still can't figure out y we were'nt
closer and better friends sooner and y i chose the person who left me over
her. although the person who left me did treat me better than most of my
friends did during those 4 1/2 yrs. so i don't regret that time with her at
all. she was what i needed for that time.
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Message: 733-002 [732-001]
Subject: Re: RESPONSE TO THE DEAD DAD DREAM
quite clearly u wish that your father was still alive because u still have
some unresolved issues with him. sounds to me like u think he may have
cheated on your mother but only he could tell u that for sure and now that
he's gone u wanna know. the plastic surgery would suggest to me that u think
your father was perhaps 2 faced. maybe he spent a great deal of time away
from home and even though he told u it was for business reasons perhaps your
not so sure it was and u wanna know whether he was telling u the truth. or u
may have been adopted and want to know who your biological family is.
whatever u think your father may have done the fact remains that he did care
for u and he wanted u to be well taken care of no matter what the cost,
expense or how much trouble it may have took him. at
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