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E.l.e.c.t.r.i.c D.r.e.a.m.s
Volume #11 Issue #6
June 2004
ISSN# 1089 4284
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C O N T E N T S
++ Editor's Notes
++ News: Global Dreaming News
++ Column: An Excerpt From the Lucid Dream Exchange - Lucy Gillis
“False" Awakenings and the Language of Lucid Dreaming
Robert Waggoner
++ Article: Gestalt Dialogue with the Inner Critic
and the Inner Child
Linda Lane Magallón
++ The Time Bomb
How Your Dreams Can Help You Choose the Right Vocation
John D. Goldhammer, Ph.D.
++ Article: How to become a Dream Worker
Jeremy Taylor
++ Article: Career Paths in Dreamwork
Richard Wilkerson
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++ DREAM SECTION: Dreams from May, 2004
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Editor's Notes
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Welcome to the June 2004 issue of Electric Dreams, your portal to dreams and
dreamwork online.
If you are new to dreams and dreamwork, please join us on
dreamchatters@yahoogroups.com and we will guide you to the resources &
groups you need. To join send an e to
dreamchatters-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
I wanted to mention for the last time that the Association for the Study of
Dreams is having a conference in Copenhagen in June and information about
this is now available in several different languages, including
Danske - Deutsch - Español - Finnish - Italiano - - Norsk - Turkish -
Nederlandse - Francaise – and Japanese. Stop by the conference site for more
information.
http://www.asdreams.org
Hey, we need a new dream editor! Many thanks to Elizabeth for the wonderful
job she did in managing the position. Our Dream Section never looked so
good!
If you are interested in joining the Electric Dreams staff and
contributing some time each month to the e-zine, read the announcement below
in the Global Dreaming News and contact me at
rcwilk@....
This month in Electric Dreams:
Lucy Gillis shares travels around the dream world to find the most talented
and experimental lucid dreamers. In an excerpt from the her Lucid Dream
Exchange, An Excerpt From the Lucid Dream Exchange - Lucy Gillis
“False" Awakenings and the Language of Lucid Dreaming
Robert Waggoner
Linda Magallón explores the Gestalt technique of dream interpretation that
includes looking at the dream subjectively and allowing dialogue between the
parts. Be sure to read “Gestalt Dialogue with the Inner Critic and the Inner
Child”
John Goldhammer joins us to help sort out our vocation through dreams. Be
sure to read “The Time Bomb : How Your Dreams Can Help You Choose the Right
Vocation.”
Keeping with the vocational theme:
I am reprinting two articles on dreamwork as these are often requested. I
have them online, but am putting them out here on Electric Dreams again too.
The first is an article by Jeremy Taylor on how to become a dreamworker. The
second is an article I wrote about how to combine dreamwork with other
professions where dreamwork can become a part of the profession.
The Global Dreaming News comes from Peggy Coats at Dreamtree.com and will
update you on current dream events. If you have news for our Global Dreaming
News, send that to Peggy Coats at:
info@...
The Dream Section this month has only dreams, no comments.
If you have dreams you want published enter them anonymously in the form at:
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/temple
Or you can put them in the dream flow directly by subscribing to:
dream-flow-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
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For those of you who are new to dreams and dreaming, be sure to stop by one
of the many resources:
http://www.dreamtree.com
http://www.dreamgate.com/electric-dreams
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/library
Electric Dreams in PDF: (thanks to Nick Cumbo)
http://www.dreamofpeace.net/community/electricdreams/
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Thanks to Harry Bosma for this month’s cover of Electric Dreams!
http://tinyurl.com/28ssh
Dreamin’ up a storm,
-Richard Wilkerson
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If you have news you'd like to share, contact Peggy Coats,
web@.... Visit Global Dreaming News online at
http://www.dreamtree.com/
This Month's Features:
NEWS
- ASD Conference in Copenhagen
- PsiberDreaming Conference online this Fall
- Electric Dreams seeks Dream Editor
- National Nightmare Hotline
- Berkeley Drop-in Dream Group
RESEARCH & REQUESTS
- ASD Website Dream Research
WEBSITE & ONLINE UPDATES
- Brenda Ferrimani’s Dream Art
- JFKU Dream Certificate Program – New Address
DREAM CALENDAR FOR MAY 2004
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>>>> ASD Conference in Copenhagen
June 18 - 22 2004
Join with clinicians, researchers, educators, artists, and dreamers from all
over the world for four days of workshops, lectures, panels, exhibits, and
events. Featuring over 100 presenters on such topics as: the influence of
dreams in cultures around the world; the latest in scientific research;
traditional and innovative theories and therapies; the importance and
healing influence of dreams; the spiritual and religious significance of
dreams; the paranormal; and dreams in the arts and cinema.
Now available online: The full program schedule, hotel discounts, abstracts,
maps of Copenhagen and more!
http://www.asdreams.org/2004
>>>> ASD PsiberDreaming Conference online this Fall
Announcing ASD's Third Online PsiberDreaming Conference, September 19 -
October 3, 2004.
For two weeks participants worldwide will enjoy online experiments, psiber
games with prizes, chats, and discussions on paranormal dreaming with
celebrated psi-dreaming experts at a bargain price. Presentations include
papers and workshops on popular and cutting edge topics, such as: remote
viewing, precognition, dream telepathy, mutual dreaming, psychopompic
dreams, lucid dreaming, visionary dreaming, prodromal dreams, dream healing,
the nature of dream reality, and dreaming as a spiritual practice. Previous
conferences have brought in rave reviews:
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"Bravo!", "Incredible!", "a wonderful experience," "amazing!", "topnotch",
"I am really thrilled," "great conference," "please, please do this
frequently," "I don't know how many accolades I can give you, too many to
count, I believe. The conference was simply great!! Good presenters, topics,
participants, and great energy."
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Even if you missed the first two, make sure you attend the third! For more
information go to:
http://asdreams.org/psi2004/
>>>> Electric Dreams seeks Dream Editor
http://www.dreamgate.com/electric-dreams
Electric Dreams has been publishing the dreams sent into us once a month
since 1994. The Dream Editor sends along to the Dream-Flow list for comment
and the dreams, and the dreams are published once a month in Electric
Dreams.
The Dream Editor is a volunteer position with two parts. The first part is
to receive dreams from the Electric Dreams input form and put them out on
the
dreamflow@yahoogroups.com list. This just takes a few minutes every few
days. Then once a month, the dreams are collected together by the Dream
Editor and put in a simple text format that can be included in the monthly
Electric Dreams e-zine. Generally this means copy and pasting a couple dozen
dreams into MS WORD, getting rid of the hard returns and sending into the
general editor towards the end of each month. Maybe an hour or two task.
Different Dream Editors have given their own spins to the Dream Section.
Some do a lot of editing and selecting, others don’t. You are welcome to
create the Dream Section the way you like.
If you are interested in the position, please contact Richard Wilkerson at
Richard@...
>>>> National Nightmare Hotline
1-866-DRMS911
In October, 2001 ASD (The Association for the Study of Dreams) joined with
www.cyberdreamwork.com to create The Nightmare Hotline for adults and
children impacted by the 9/11 disaster. The Nightmare Hotline in its
evolution has become an on-going service. Skilled professionals are
available on phones, 24 hours a day to debrief adults and children on their
nightmares.
Nightmares have an enormous impact on all of us. They are ordinary events
after traumatic disasters. Nightmares serve to digest the horrific events.
Just telling them to someone can have a positive effect on an individual's
sense of well being.
Read about the Hotline in Hope Magazine: Fielding Dreams
This hotline, is NOT a counseling line. However, if desired, a dreamer can
be referred to a counselor after discussing their nightmare(s). You can also
access extensive information about nightmares at www.asdreams.org
DONATIONS APPRECIATED
The hotline has remained viable because of your generous donations. We will
continue to welcome offers, no matter how small, that help support this
public service.
Please send your tax deductible donations to:
The Association for the Study of Dreams (ASD)
Attn: Susan Moreno, Office Manager
PO Box 1592
Merced, California 95341-a592
Write on your checks:
National Nightmare Hotline
phone: (209) 724-0889
ASDCentralOffice@...
Electronic billing is also available through PayPal at the ASD website
www.asdreams.org/nightmare.htm It is a secure system that will allow you to
donate with a credit card or transfer funds directly from your bank.
You can also send your e-mail request to:
ASDCentralOffice@... and you
will receive complete instructions about how to proceed.
We would appreciate your informing friends and associates that this hotline
is available. Forward to your e-mail lists.
>>>> Berkeley Drop-in Dream Group
Dear Friend
You are invited! And, please pass this email on to anyone you think might
enjoy talking about their dreams.
Drop in groups are a great introduction to dream work for people who want to
get the idea without making a long term commitment. Everyone gets to share a
dream with a partner and some people will get to tell their dream with the
whole group. Read on...
(as always, if you don't want another email, just reply with "NO" in the
subject line)
Exercise Your Imagination!
· You are never more real than in your dreams.
· You are never more free to use your imagination than when you share a
dream.
Bring yourself. Bring a dream to share. Invite a friend.
First class is free then $10 per class.
Where? 2199 Bancroft Way/Fulton in Berkeley (see below for more details)
Drop-In Dream Group. Saturday Mornings 10am – noon
If you find your dreams fascinating, this is the place to go.
If you have a "big" dream – one that you still remember several years later,
this is a place to discuss it.
If you have a recurring dream or a nightmare you’d like to go away, this
will help.
5 REASONS TO LOOK AT YOUR DREAMS
1: Because they give you a remarkable point of view on your life
2: Because some dreams are great -- just learn to recall the feeling
3: Because some dreams are awful -- you’d like them to STOP
4: Because the dream is telling you something you need to know
5: Because the dream always gives you a way of solving the problem it
raises – Get Rid Of Nightmares And Recurring Dreams.
DREAMS: WHAT ARE THEY GOOD FOR?
ANSWER: Getting clear on love, family, relationships, career, spiritual path
or any issue that is bothering you. Solving problems in your sleep.
Answering the questions you haven't yet asked.
AND ESPECIALLY: You can stop nightmares and recurring dreams typically in
1 - 3 sessions.
THE CLASS: Find out for yourself: How to look at your own dreams, hear what
they have to say & feel your way through to the meaning or a resolution. We
work with partners in structured exercises sharing our dreams. Some people
will get to work with their dream in front of the group.
COST: FIRST CLASS FREE: Then $10/class
ME: David Jenkins. I’m a Ph.D. psychologist with a dream practice. In my
unhumble opinion, your dreams are more exciting & more original than most of
the films from Hollywood.
WHERE: Class meets in downtown Berkeley. Near BART at 2199 Bancroft Way at
the corner of Fulton Street. (Upstairs in Aperio: "fun, eclectic, and
affordable gifts for all occasions")
DIRECTIONS: From Shattuck and Center (i.e. Downtown Bart station) go south 3
blocks (past Allston and Kittredge to Bancroft). Make a left on Bancroft
(towards the campus). Go one block and 2199 Bancroft (Aperio) is right on
the corner of Fulton and Bancroft. Go into Aperio and upstairs.
From Bancroft and Telegraph (the campus) go down Bancroft to the edge of the
campus (this is Fulton Street). 2199 Bancroft (Aperio) is on the corner of
Fulton and Bancroft. Go into Aperio and upstairs.
WHEN: Saturday Mornings. 10am – noon.
REGISTER: email
davidj@... or call 510 644 2369
WEB:
http://www.practicaldreamwork.com
THE POINT? The goal is for you to get the idea of how to work & play with
your own dreams.
CAN'T REMEMBER YOUR DREAMS? Keep a notebook by the side of your bed. Before
you get up in the morning (before you get out of bed even), write down
whatever is in your head. Whatever it is: "Coffee", "Late", "Feed the cat",
"Call mother" etc. Whatever it is, write it down.
www.practicaldreamwork.com
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R E S E A R C H & R E Q U E S T S
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>>>> Dream Research Requests at ASD
http://www.asdreams.org/research/research_idx.htm
Are you conducting research and need participants to help your work? Email
The Dream Tree at
info@... with the details of your project, and
reach out to others who might be interested in joining in.
The ASD Research Requests Project is for both researchers and individuals
interested in being participants in dream research. Current projects are
listed below -- explore and enjoy! Researchers, reserve your space! ASD
provides Web-space for any member conducting research. Stop by the Research
Request page , read the procedures, then send in the application form. We
will provide the Web page within 2 to 3 weeks. You will be notified of the
URL address after the application is processed by the Electronic
Communications Committee. Participants, jump right in! Pick a project from
the list below which you are interested in and read the requirements for
participation. Contact information for each researcher will be listed with
other project information.
Some current dream research:
--9-11 Dreams
--Animal Dreams Collection
--Transcendence in the Dream Stories of the Bereaved
--Dreams of Angelic Figures
--Universal Dreams -- Survey of Common Dream Themes
--Australian Dreaming, or "Why Would I Dream about THAT?"
--Important and Unimportant Dreams
--Brain Mapping of Associative Thinking Processes
--Dreams, Politics, and the 2000 Elections
--Pregnant Women's Dreams
--How Sleep Disorders Affect Dreaming
--Women's Dreams with Knives
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Do you know of interesting new websites you’d like to share with others? Or
do you have updates to existing pages? Help spread the word by using the
Electric Dreams DREAM-LINK page
www.dreamgate.com/dream/resources/online97.htm. This is really a public
projects board and requires that everyone keep up his or her own link URLs
and information. Make a point to send changes to the links page to us
>>>> Brenda Ferrimani’s Dream Art
http://brendaferrimanidreamart.com
Brenda Ferrimani illustrated the current cover of the ASD Dream Time
Magazine and wishes to open her art up for viewing.
>>>> JFKU Dream Certificate Program – New Address
JFKU
100 Ellinwood Way
Pleasant Hill, California
94523-4817 USA
925.969.3300
http://www.jfku.edu/site/?pg=holistic_is_dream
We spend one-third of our lives in sleep and one-third of that time
dreaming. Throughout human history, dreams have been shown to be an
important vehicle in problem solving, creativity, self-growth and spiritual
inspiration.
The 36-unit Certificate in Dream Studies is one of the pioneering programs
within an accredited university to explore the inner worlds of dreams.
Offering more than fifteen courses that directly and indirectly address the
study of dreams, the classes are taught by experts, authors and researchers
who have dedicated their lives to exploring this important state of
consciousness. This certificate is designed for students and professionals
who desire to work with and explore dreams for use in education, research,
consulting and writing.
Come to an information meeting:
Call 925.969.3500 to RSVP or to make an individual appointment.
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>>>> ASD Conference in Copenhagen
June 18 - 22 2004
http://www.asdreams.org
>>>> Every Saturday
Berkeley Dream Group Drop-in
Saturday Mornings 10- noon
http://www.practicaldreamwork.com
>>>> Third Online PsiberDreaming Conference, September 19 - October 3, 2004
http://www.asdreams.org/psi2004
>>>> DreamGate History of Dreams – Six Week Online Course
June 1 – July 9th, 2004
http://www.dreamgate.com/class
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An Excerpt From The Lucid Dream Exchange
By Lucy Gillis
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Do our labels and terms limit our lucid dreaming potential? Could we be
limiting our lucid dreams because of the language we use to describe and
define them? Do we ignore potentially valuable dream experiences because we
have learned to label them as “false”? In LDE 30, Robert Waggoner looks at
the term “false awakening” and challenges us to examine the language we use
when describing this dream phenomena.
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“False" Awakenings and the Language of Lucid Dreaming
(c) Robert Waggoner
What is "false" about a false awakening?
What is fallacious, specious, contrary to fact or truth, without grounds -
as The American Heritage Dictionary describes the adjective, false - about
false awakenings?
Isn't it more accurate to deem these experiences of apparently being aware
in one's waking reality, while actually remaining in the dream state, as
"apparent awakenings," "assumed awakenings" or perhaps, "alternate
awakenings"? Invariably when desiring to wake from a lucid dream, many lucid
dreamers have had the interesting experience of seeming to wake, only later
to realize that they are not in waking reality but in a new dream scene.
Sometimes, these apparent awakenings are quite convincing - one reaches for
their dream journal to jot down the lucid dream and sees the notations on
the paper on the night stand, when suddenly one realizes something strange -
the nightstand is made of metal instead of wood, or the carpet color is not
exactly the same, or an odd piece of furniture is now in the room! The
perception invokes one's memory and leads to a new realization: "This too is
a dream!"
Sometimes, the new awakening from the preceding apparent awakening is also
an apparent awakening! One wakes from the lucid dream, realizes that this
too is a dream scene, and decides to wake up for real, but the dreamer
awakens in a new dream scene, only to realize in a few moments, that this
too is a dream. The apparent awakening has begun to multiply.
In my experience, I have misperceived my apparent awakening from a lucid
dream seven times in succession. "Waking up" seven times within a few
minutes felt like bursting through the layers of a larger self! At that
final, apparent awakening, my mind swirled in a whirlpool of memories,
perceptions, realizations and ephemera, grasping for an actual actuality. I
slipped out of bed on that summer morning, steadied myself, and touched the
light blue plaster wall, hoping for nothing more than stability. I touched
it again.
True awakenings or false awakenings seem meaningless terms after falling
through seven so-called "awakenings." There, I sought the stability of a
world, any world was fine, as long as it was stable - or shall I say
"seemed" stable. If I had awakened in a world with different furniture, an
extra cat, new neighbors, it would have been okay, just as long as it all
"seemed" to remain stable.
What I took from my multiple awakenings was the idea that Perception either
has or creates many homes, but the perceived "true" world-home seems true
only in that it conforms to one's memories.
Memory seems a force that works on Perception - that keeps Perception's
wanderings from going too far - that develops a homebase for that which
wanders. In a way, memory confers stability. Memory confers a structure.
Memory provides a "sense" for that which we deem self.
The problem with using the term, "false awakening," for what appears to be
an "assumed awakening," appears to be found in our response to the language.
Why investigate that which is "false"? Why give any credence, any thought,
any validity to a "false" experience? Why concern one's self with an event
which is fallacious, specious, contrary to fact or truth, without grounds?
Moreover, in the term, "false awakening," one finds an ex post facto
conclusion about the experience, which draws one away from the description
of the actual experience. In the actual experience, the lucid dreamer
assumes he/she has awakened. Thus in terms of descriptive accuracy, the
actual experience seems to support that the lucid dreamer had an "assumed
awakening." To call it "false" creates negative implications and moves away
from accurately describing the event. As many scientists have demonstrated,
language seems to affect our perception, reaction to and experience of
events. In the relatively new world of lucid dreaming, we should take care
to describe events and perceptions accurately in order to make the way
smooth for others. Words that imply hard and fast judgments, like "false,"
seem narrow and errant.
For example, if I was a physicist investigating theories of alternate
realities or probable realities and was searching for possible instances of
alternate or probable realities, I may investigate "apparent awakenings" or
"alternate awakenings." However, due to the connotation inherent in the
description, I doubt that I would investigate "false awakenings" - and even
if I did, the term "false" would likely predispose other physicists to view
the experiences as fundamentally invalid.
And for example, if I was a theoretical psychologist seeking evidence to
suggest that the mind creates internalized "worlds," and stumble upon this
fairly common lucid dreaming phenomenon, what then? Would I be able to see
this phenomenon clearly, or would I be thrown by the negative connotation of
false awakenings?
For science to proceed, clear terms are needed that describe an experience
accurately. I ask readers of The Lucid Dream Exchange to remove the "false"
from apparent, assumed or alternate awakenings in order to assist futures
students of lucid dreaming.
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The Lucid Dream Exchange is a quarterly newsletter featuring lucid dreams
and lucid dream related articles and interviews. To subscribe to The Lucid
Dream Exchange send a blank email to:
TheLucidDreamExchange-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
You can also check us out at www.dreaminglucid.com
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Gestalt Dialogue with the Inner Critic and the Inner Child
© 2004 Linda Lane Magallon
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"Everything in the dream is a part of you," states the very popular Gestalt
theory of dreamwork. You are encouraged to seat yourself down on a pillow
and begin to act out or speak the part of every element in the dream.
Imaginatively, you "become" the self in the dream. You look out at the world
through her eyes; see from her perspective. You feel as she feels. You judge
dream events from her point of view. You express her opinions, not yours.
You take an empathetic trip to another side of self; the self who lives in
the dream.
You also "become" the background scenery, the props, the characters in the
dream play. You are the horse and the soldier and even the color of the
sunrise. All these pieces are supposed to form the "whole" of the dream.
That's the theory. But if I speak as the mountain range or the morning dew,
I speak a monologue. And the fact of the matter is that some of my grumpier
dream elements don't much like to talk! On the other hand, a self-absorbed
tulip may talk forever, never once referring to other elements in the dream.
So I end the session feeling fragmented. There's no ready glue to paste the
pieces back together.
That's why I like Gestalt dialogue. The glue is communication between
characters. I find it especially useful to "become" the self in the dream
and dialogue with others from that point of view. In this case, the stars of
the show were dream characters rather than background or props. I considered
who would be most verbal, put pen to paper and let them speak. Then, as my
dreaming self, I responded. After the first group talked themselves into a
mumble, I initiated a dialogue with some of the less loquacious characters.
Afterwards, I re-read the dialogue and made some notes to myself. My dream
concern was: who or what is fatiguing me, being a heavy burden, holding me
down?
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DREAM
I am pursued by reporters who want to interview me because I can fly. I fly
around the hills surrounding my home, a single house in a large field, but
feel heavy due to the pull of the reporters' expectations. (They keep
following me, at least with their eyes). Coming back, I pick up my younger
brother by the hand. For a while he flies Superman style like I do, but when
he tires, I must carry him seated in my arms. This position weighs me down
so I must land in back of the house. Once inside, the house opens into a
school room. Third hand, I see myself go sit on a chair to be at the same
level as the children who crowd around me. I smile, hold out my arms and
talk with them.
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DIALOGUE
Reporters: How do you fly? Can't you give us hints?
Linda: I don't know-I just *do* it.
R: What does it feel like?
L: Great. Freeing. Happy. Ecstasy.
R: Will you give us a ride?
L: You would weigh me down-it's very tiring. Your demands pull me down.
R: But it's our jobs to get the facts! We must get the information out to
the people-it's their right to know.
L: I want to help you-believe me I do-so you'll go away happy and leave me
alone. I'd like to tell you, but I don't know how!
R: Can we have your autograph?
L: Uggh! Pester parasites. Can you tell me how I do it?
R: We don't know-we just report the facts you give us. Give us the facts!
L: I don't have them.
R: But you can fly-we see you.
L: If I can-so can you.
R: Okay, how?
L: I just will myself up into the air. I just choose to go. I project my
thoughts in that direction.
R: But we try and we can't! Tell us how! Let us come with you.
L: No, no, you'll drag me down.
R: It's no fair.
L: You've got to find your own strength.
R: If we can't do it, we'll be jealous, we'll drag you down, we'll criticize
you.
L: That's what I'm afraid of. Why is criticism and others' expectations able
to drag me down?
R: We pull you down to our level. If we can't, then neither will you.
L: What would satisfy you?
R: To get the information we came for.
L: And if I don't have it?
R: We'll stay until you do or we'll go away and call you a fake to the
world.
L: But I can fly!
R: You fail to explain yourself.
L: Must I?
R: Yes.
L: Why?
R: We must have that information-it's our job.
L: Don't you have other stories?
R: If you don't tell us-you might tell others.
L: But I don't know!
R: OK. Write it down: "Linda doesn't know. She is a dummy. She hasn't the
foggiest idea of how to fly. She can't teach anyone else. She's no good to
anyone but herself."
L: I helped my younger brother.
R: Big deal-here you have a novel ability and you can't help the world.
L: Why must I help the whole world?
R: You must! It needs help!
L: But I didn't create the need. The only way the world can be helped is to
help itself.
R: You have a special gift-you have been blessed and honored especially. You
owe the world to give it away.
L: Give it away? What good will that do? I'll just be depleted. And what
will you have learned?
R: Better to give us a bit of water than to let us die of thirst.
L: But I become thirsty.
R: Then you'll be just like us. Ha, Ha, Ha!
L: Why so happy?
R: Triumphant. Rejoice for we have defeated you! We have won! We have won!
L: But what have you won?
R: Status quo. We like where we are. Don't shake us up. We have enough
problems without have to deal with this kind of idealistic nonsense.
Intriguing, yes, but practical? No, good to laugh at, to ridicule. Keep it
down, it's dangerous. The unknown will upset us. We can't afford to be upset
any more than we are. Life is too precarious as it is. Unless you can offer
a life raft to cling to, we want no part of you and your harebrained
schemes.
L: Life is scary.
R: Damn right. Why, we could tell you stories...
L: That would only serve to cover up the issue. Please, let's not play the
game of smoke screen or fake-it.
R: Facades are necessary to hide behind. They give some protection against
being overwhelmed by forces too great for any single individual. We need
the handicaps, the tools, the quick and easy answers. It takes too much time
away from the effort we must apply to maintain our stance in this risky
society to spend on frivolities-like your idea of flying. We have to
survive. We can't afford to take this other stuff seriously. We can't.
L: I understand. But tell me this-how is it that I can?
R: (Mumble.)
L: Hi, Younger Brother.
Younger Brother: Hi, Linda.
L: How did you like flying with me?
YB: It was great for a while and then I got tired.
L: I tried to hold you up longer, but you're getting heavy!
YB: Well, it's hard to do.
L: For now, because you're just learning. It'll get easier.
YB: Okay.
L: Hi, kids.
Kids: Hi Linda, come be at our level.
L: What level is that?
K: The level of having fun!
L: Who are you?
K: We are the young people in your life.
L: You mean children?
K: No, we're the Inner Children of the people you know.
L: Cool.
K: Can you really fly?
L: Yup.
K: Gee, that must be fun...maybe someday we can fly, too.
L: Sure, why not? Hey, Younger Brother, would you like to tell them about
your experience?
YB: (He does.)
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NOTE
The difference between the two groups was that the kids were gathering out
of a childlike spontaneous curiosity while the reporters were demanding
explanations. I don't like to be put on the spot by people who have no
intention of trying out the "sport" or "game" of flying; who just analyze,
criticize, complain and ask unanswerable questions. The kids know better.
They seem to sense that, in the end, the hows and whys and wherefores of
flight aren't something to understand just by talking about it. It's
something you *do.* So, the best approach isn't to verbalize, it's to act.
And Younger Brother is the perfect model for these kids; he's their own age.
The flying may be short, slow and low, if need be, but that's okay because
he's a beginner and not expected to play the "expert." Once the kids see
that he can do it, flying won't be such a humungous challenge for them (as
it is for the reporters). It's something to take gradually, one step into
the air at a time.
http://members.aol.com/caseyflyer/flying/dreams.html
(Dream Flights)
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The Time Bomb
How Your Dreams Can Help You Choose the Right Vocation
© 2004 by John D. Goldhammer, Ph.D.
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Dreams have a poetic integrity and truth. . . .
These whimsical pictures, in as much as they originate from us,
may well have an analogy with our whole life and fate.
Ralph Waldo Emerson
My fascination with dreams actually began nearly two-and-a-half decades ago
when, seemingly out of nowhere, a torrent of unusual dreams roared into my
life. It was as though somewhere in my psyche, someone had opened an inner
floodgate. Even though I was unable to interpret this inner, symbolic
language at first, my intuition told me that these dreams were far more than
just my brain purging residues from the day. They contained thematic images,
symbols, and dramas that moved through my life, leaving strange tracks,
exotic fragrances, tearing down old buildings, setting fires. I was
captivated.
In the late seventies, I began working with others’ dreams and with numerous
dream study groups, filling several filing cabinets with fascinating
examples of individuals’ dreams. I realized early-on that dreams held many
valuable keys to understanding life and especially the choices we make that
inevitably chart our future course.
Over the years I discovered a something quite remarkable about dreaming: Our
dreams relentlessly identify those essential, extraordinary qualities that
make us unique and authentic individuals. At the same time, dreams are
ruthless and often shocking in exposing influences from others that threaten
our ability to live our own lives.
On one overcast, windy morning I’m walking along and I’m thinking how we all
see the world through glasses of some sort: we put on our religious lenses
that see life through a particular religious viewpoint; or we put on our
political glasses and see the world through one political viewpoint; or we
put on our familial glasses and see life through the expectations of our
parents; or we put on societal glasses and live our life by adapting to
social pressure to conform to popular ideas. Or we interpret our dreams
through the thick dark lenses of some theory. Our dreams carry the awesome
potential to help us to see clearly who we really are; our natural, inborn
potential and unique character without anything “put on” us.
Our family’s hopes and expectations for us, while usually well-intended,
become one of the “things” we put on. For example, not long after the
September 11th tragedy, a good friend, clearly upset, told me about a dream
that appears to have a literal warning. Aaron, a soft-spoken young man in
his late twenties was in the midst of struggling with what to do with his
life. His dream appeared to be predicting a terrorist attack:
Someone keeps showing me a map. I notice it’s a pie-shaped area and realize
it’s somewhere around the Great Lakes area, maybe Chicago. An unknown man’s
voice tells me that a nuclear bomb is going to be detonated there on
November 1st and I should make sure that I’m at least fifty to a hundred
miles away from there.
Aaron’s family, particularly his mother, wanted him to follow family
tradition and go into the medical field. But he had always loved art and
architecture and felt a frustrating split between giving in to his family’s
expectations and following his own passion.
Dream images constantly clarify what belongs to the dreamer’s Authentic Self
or essential nature and what symbolizes self-defeating outside influences. I
asked Aaron to describe what it would be like to imagine being that part of
the country, and, as the land and the waters, what had happened. “The water
has been polluted,” he replied. “And if I’m that land, I’ve been overrun by
civilization, covered up.” Then I asked him to describe what it would be
like, from the land’s viewpoint, to experience a nuclear explosion? He
explained, with a sudden smile of realization, “Everything that’s been put
on me is gone!” A few days later I received an excited call from Aaron, who
couldn’t wait to tell me that November 1st was the final deadline for him to
enroll in dental school and that he had just decided not to register.
Aaron’s dream, one week before the school deadline, dramatically showed him
the power of this decision on November 1st. It had the potential to clear
away all the attitudes and expectations from his family that were preventing
him from living his life—everything that had been “put on” him, that had
“overrun” and “polluted” his original, natural landscape. His “nuclear”
family’s influence was about to be exploded. Moreover, atomic fission, a
nuclear reaction, promised to release tremendous energy, energy that would
now be available to begin a new life—energy no longer tied up the exhausting
effort to conform and to live someone else’s life. And his dream also warns
him to keep his distance from this event, to be aware of the “fallout”—the
reaction from his mother and his family to his decision. Aaron avoided
making a disastrous career choice.
Aaron’s dream is a profound example of how our dreams are relentlessly
purposive in seeking to move us into living our own authentic life,
releasing dormant, inner potentials so that each one of us can add unique
values and characteristics to society and to our world. It would seem that
our dreams want us to lead uncommon lives!
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John Goldhammer is a dream researcher, psychotherapist, and author of three
books. He lives in Seattle, Washington. “The Time Bomb” is adapted from
his new book: Radical Dreaming: Use Your Dreams to Change Your Life (New
York: Kensington Publishing / Citadel Press, 2003).
jgoldhammer@....
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How to become a Dream Worker
Jeremy Taylor
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(SO - YOU WANT TO BE A DREAM WORKER, BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO RUN THE MAZE &
JUMP THROUGH THE HOOPS OF THE "PROFESSIONAL PSYCHOLOGY/THERAPIST" ACADEMIC
TRAINING?)
There are at least 5 separate, potentially overlapping ways to do this.
(1) ASD TRAINING FOR MEMBERS & CONFERENCE ATTENDEES: Attending ASD events,
(both international and regional), where increasingly training in various
techniques and philosophies of dream work and dream exploration are being
offered. At some point, it is very likely that these "trainings" will be
woven together administratively and turned into some sort of "certificate"
program. (It's not fully in place yet, but just recently at the ASD Board
sessions at UC Santa Cruz, on 7/12/01, the Board passed the first set of
"general guidelines" for establishing such training programs, and the
application of those guidelines is already under way.)
see The Association for the Study of Dreams
(2) UNIVERSITY AND INDEPENDENT ACADEMIC INSTITUTE PROGRAMS IN DREAM STUDIES:
Checking out various academic programs oriented to practical dream work
skills, rather than professional psychological training and licensure: The
ones I am most aware of are:
(A) "The Dream Studies Program", a "track" in the larger "Consciousness
Studies Program" at John F. Kennedy University in Orinda, California,(at
least for the moment - there is a plan to move JFK University up the road a
few miles to Walnut Creek, California, but that is still in planning and
fund-raising stage, and will not happen for at least another year or so...)
Fariba Bogzaran is the Founder/Director of that program. I believe it is
possible to matriculate with "a Masters in Consciousness Studies with a
Concentration in Dream Studies" - (or language very close to that.) The
program takes 2-3 years, and offers classes that meet once a week, as well
as weekend intensives. geared to the regular academic calendar.
http://www.jfku.edu/holistic/hs-dream.html
(B) The Doctor of Ministry Program at the University of Creation
Spirituality in Oakland, California also offers a concentration in Dream
Studies. Founded by the former Dominican, (now nominally Episcopalian),
theologian, Matthew Fox, this program stresses "the re-invention of work",
and requires that students take a number of expressive arts classes, as well
as more traditional classes practical and theoretical dream work training. A
handful of people have already received doctorates with a concentration in
Dream Studies. The UCS D.MIn. Program meets in a series of week-long
intensives, year round. The program takes 2-3 years. You can check this
program out on the web at :
http://creationspirituality.com/
(C) The Haden Institute, in Charlotte, North Carolina, offers a 2 year
program in "Dream Leader Training". It also meets in week-long and week-end
intensives. Some of their classes are offered in Charlotte, and others are
offered in the Episcopalian retreat center, Kanuga, in the mountains near
Hendersonville, NC. Check them out on the web at
http://www.hadeninstitute.com/
(D) Clearly this kind of program is "an idea whose time has come", and there
are other new programs springing up in Canada, Mexico, and other parts of
the U.S. on an almost seasonal rhythm. Check back in here to keep apprised
of developments as they break...
(3) Another "alternative" to the "professional psychology" route is
MINISTERIAL/ CHAPLAINCY / SPIRITUAL DIRECTION TRAINING. More and more
traditional denominational seminaries and spiritual direction programs are
offering courses in practical dream work as part of their regular studies.
Check the seminaries of your denomination, and the "interfaith" seminaries
in your geographic area. These course offerings vary wildly from semester to
semester and year to year.
(A) In the San Francisco Bay Area, there is a new dream work training
program being offered by the Chaplaincy Institute for Arts & Interfaith
Ministries. This program has a full Dream Worker Certification program, and
offers practical dream work training as a regular part of its other
"tracks": Ordination as an Interfaith Minister, or Minister of the Arts,
Commissioning as an Interfaith Chaplain, Certification as a Dream Worker,
and Certification as an Interfaith Spiritual Counsellor/Director. These
"tracks" may be taken concurrently, in any combination. As a matter of
policy, credit is always granted for past education and experience,
(4) HYPNOTHERAPY TRAINING: although most hypnotherapy training programs do
not offer specific training in working with dreams, some of them do. It is
the easiest, least expensive, and most quickly accomplished professional
"therapy license" granted in California, and many other States and
Territories as well. It usually takes about 6 months to complete the
training and receive the license. Once a hypnotherapy license has been
acquired, it can be used to "cover" work with dreams, particularly if the
work includes light trance work, (to say nothing of the job opportunities in
the weight-loss and smoke-addiction-recovery industries...)
(5) SIMPLE (LEGAL) ORDINATION: The Church of Universal Life, Modesto,
California, founded by the Kirby Hensley, has established the fundamental
legality of their "mail order" ordinations. The "practice of religion" is
CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED in the U.S., and that means that practicing
one-to-one dream work and dream group facilitation under the "umbrella" of a
CUL ordination is completely legal. The CUL Minister is limited in what
language can be used in promotional materials, (one may not use the word
"Therapy" or Therapist" - unless one also has a license, say, as a
hypnotherapist - but words like "Consultation", Facilitation", "Coaching",
Dream Worker", etc. may all be used freely.)
ANY AND ALL OF THESE "ALTERNATIVES" TO TRADITIONAL PROFESSIONAL ACADEMIC
PSYCHOLOGICAL TRAINING CAN BE "MIXED & MATCHED" TO SUIT THE NEEDS AND
DESIRES OF THE INDIVIDUAL WHO WISHES TO BECOME A DREAM WORKER AND LEGALLY
CHARGE MONEY FOR HIS/HER WORK.
Respectfully submitted,
Reverend Jeremy Taylor, D.Min.,S.Th.D. (hon.)
[Author of DREAM WORK, (Paulist Press, Mahwah, 1983), WHERE PEOPLE FLY &
WATER RUNS UP HILL, (Warner Books, New York, 1992), and THE LIVING
LABYRINTH, (Paulist Press, 1998), co-founder and past president of the
international Association for the Study of Dreams]
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Career Paths in Dreamwork
Richard Wilkerson
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First the bad news.
There was more money made last weekend on the latest blockbuster movie than
all the money made by all the dreamworkers since Freud wrote the
Interpretation of Dreams a hundred years ago in 1900.
Gayle Delaney, one of the big and early movers in dreamwork, has said that
no one yet has really made a living doing just dreamwork, they always have
to combine this with financial support from other sectors. And having been
on Oprah and Donahue, written tons of books and traveled with her dream show
world wide, she should know! Dream science has always been done during the
off hours of the labs. Aserinsky and Kleitmann, who brought REM or Rapid Eye
Movement Sleep to public attention, did their work on dreams during their
off time, late at night in the labs at the University of Chicago.
Without full time dreamwork professionals, how does the field evolve? People
do other things. Here are some of the most popular dreamwork-combo
professions:
1. Psychology. Especially Jungian psychology, which has a heavy dream focus.
Most dreamworkers have lots of mental health training and many are
psychotherapists.
2. Publishing and Lecturing and Workshops. Books are the main contact source
for the dream worker and the more successful dreamworkers are also giving
seminars, lectures, workshops, conference presentations and getting as much
air time as possible. Most are still neglecting the Web, but some progress
is being made. There are some writers who use dreams as rhetorical devices
in their books and screenplays. There are a few scholars who write about
dreams, but not many.
3. Science and Medicine. Sleep disorder clinics and clinicians are on the
rise, though dream specific research is on the decline. The focus here is on
problems with sleep and some work can then be done with dreams through the
backdoor of nightmares and other dream related sleep issues.
4. Religion. As Ron L. Hubbard once said to the editor of Analog Magazine,
"Heck, all the money is in religion!" There has yet to be a Church of
Dreams, but I suspect we will see them in the 21stCentury. More often,
pastors and priests and ministers take up dreamwork as an adjunct to
pastoral counseling. Note for instance the success of Jeremy Taylor, who is
a Unitarian minister and now has a full workshop and dream tours schedule.
However, this came after 20 or more years in the trenches. Read what he has
to say in the article below about becoming a non-traditional dreamworker.
Non-denominational dreamwork is becoming more popular as self improvement
often includes dreamwork an spirituality.
5. Lucid Dreams. This seems to be almost its own category of dreamwork.
Stephen Laberge has done the most to make lucid dream technology, science
and psychology a life's profession. The topic continues to draw lots of
attention. Still, because the skill takes so much discipline to achieve, the
seminars, workshops and technology associated with lucid dreaming remains
somewhat esoteric and limited.
6. Anthropology. Many people in the dream field are anthropologists. They
study not only what other cultures have to say about dreams and dreaming,
but our own as well. They look at how the dream and dream interpretations
function in the culture and what the mean to the individual in this context.
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Educational Needs of a Dreamworker
Courses specifically. (Well, some of these you might have to get outside of
most institutions):
1. Jungian psychology. Get a lot of this. Read all you can on your own. You
might want to start with Jung's memoirs, Memories, Dreams and Reflections.
But I also like the illustrated Man and his Symbols. I don't think there is
a richer system of dreamwork on the earth., and most of what is used today
in groups and by individuals stems from the work of the Jungians.
2. Other psychologies: Ask for the basics and history. Freud, Adler, Jung,
Maslow, Sullivan, Erikson, even Skinner. But also look into alternative
psychological practices as well, such as the gestalt school and Frederich
Perls, the process theorists Arnold Mindel and Eugene Gendlin, the dreamwork
of Montegue Ullman, and the critiques of dreamwork by James Hillman. Try to
get as close to having a session with them as possible. That is, try to get
hands-on knowledge of these practices. Obviously this isn't possible for
many as they are dead, but move from the generalizations about them to
finding out what an hour with them was actually like, what a weekend seminar
transfers in skills, what a course with their students entails. If you can
afford therapy, try out different kinds of therapy yourself. It is VERY
important to get as close to first hand experience as possible. If you get
deeply into psychotherapy already, but not getting enough dreamwork, I find
the Object Relations therapies quite interesting and a way of bringing
forward classical psychotherapy. Kohut and self-psychology forms a bridge
between object relations and human potential and wholeness oriented
therapies.
I highly recommend Raymond J. Corsini's Current Psychotherapies for a quick
journey into several types of therapies at the experiential level.. Fossage
and Loew put together a comparison of dream therapies in Dream
Interpretation, A comparative Study second ed 1987. Its a little dry, but
interesting. A more exciting new comparison is Anthony Shafton's Dream
Reader. Also, Gayle Delaney has a good comparison dream book called New
Directions in Dream Interpretation.
3. Anthropology. Much of dreamwork has a cultural component. Exposure to
alternative cultures allows for a wider grasp of individual issues and
offers a unique way to find a context for dreams. On dreams & anthropology,
read Barbara Tedlock's (1987). Dreaming: Anthropological and Psychological
Interpretations. Cambridge
University Press. Also, Devereux, George (1969). Reality and Dream:
Psychotherapy of a Plains Indian. Garden City, NY: Anchor Books
4. Literature. I feel that getting the sense of what writing and literature
is about has helped me with dreams. Interpreting stories is something the
fields share in common, and they enhance one another. Dreams are often
interpreted using literary criticism's techniques, not only the simple
dynamic structures of plot and character, but the more elaborate
philosophies of criticism with investigate the psychological and political
forces in all narratives. In Dreams, See Jones, Richard (1979). The Dream
Poet. Cambridge, MA: Schenkman Publishing Company and States, Bert O.
(1988). Rhetoric of Dreams. London: Cornell University Press.
5. Religion and Mythology: This could be under anthropology or literature as
well. Both religious studies and mythology look at stories that struggle
with the creation or understanding of the meaning and value of life. Be sure
to read Joseph Campbell's The Masks of God. There are several in the series,
all great. I would read Mircea Eliade's The History of Religious Ideas as
well, also a kind of mythologically based text. Push through on religious
studies to the esoteric/ mystic side of the religion. We hear a lot of
horror stories about Islam in the West, but we rarely hear about the
fabulous Sufi traditions. Again, be sure to check out Carl Jung on his
rendition of Christianity and Western religions.
6. Philosophy: while philosophy has done very little in its investigation of
the world of ideas to explore dreams, I find it invaluable in the
understanding of dream techniques and where they are coming from. All forms
of interpretation are motivated by other ideas and powers. To the degree
that we learn to be conscious and aware of these, we won't as often fall
prey to being the victim of the idea. Also, being able to deeply question
the assumptions and categories we live by is very similar to a lot of
dreamwork which does the same.
7. Science. Understanding the functions of dreaming used to be clearly
separated into those who wanted a clear biological answer and those who
wanted a psycho-spiritual answer. Now the fields mix and blend and having a
good background in biology, physiology, chemistry, and so on, can help in
sorting out the psychological from the physical. We used to think about
schizophrenia, for example, in moral terms. Something was wrong with the
person in that they failed to use their will power to come up to snuff and
therapy involved getting them back on the right road of consensus reality.
Now we know that there are terrible chemical imbalances, many genetically
informed. Therapy may still involve helping the person adapt to reality, but
it no longer assumes the person is *trying* to be weird. In dreamwork, we
may make use of a nightmare to investigate some deep soulful path, but its
also important to check out the physiological components and influences. The
more science we have, the better we can refer these clients to appropriate
care.
Graduate Programs
Advanced degrees in dreaming are rare but available. JFKU has a Dream
Certificate Program for its Consciousness Studies program and some
non-accredited institutes like Haden offer advanced training. The
Association for the Study of Dreams offers CEU Continuing Education Units at
its conferences. Some graduate schools will allow for creatively designed
advanced degrees in dreams. See for example John F. Kennedy University
(JFKU)
http://www.jfku.edu/site/?pg=holistic_is_dream as well as the
Saybrook Institute.
http://www.saybrook.edu/ and Pacifica Graduate Institute
http://www.pacifica.edu/
For other organizations with graduate level courses, see the ASD Graduate
Studies List and the DreamGate Library Education page.
http://www.asdreams.org/subidxedugraduatestudies.htm
In summary, a career in dreamwork is usually attached to a career in another
field. And yet, the well-rounded dreamworker will have some experience and
knowledge in all of these fields.
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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 00:01:15 -0000
From: "fsbaby31"
Subject: having a baby
I have these dreams about having a baby and taking care of them. The one
dream I had I had just had a baby and it was a small as a newborn kitten and
I was breast feeding it and loving and taking care of him. The other dream I
had was a guy that I work with asked me if I had any kids and I told him no
and he says that I will in the next year. I ask him why and he says because
he is Miss Cleo's cousin. For people who don't know who that is it's a
fortune teller. I don't want kids anytime soon so why do I keep dreaming
about it. Is it a way that my body's trying to tell me that I am pregnant or
something?
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 23:51:42 -0000
From: "fsbaby31"
Subject: my boyfriens and my sister
I keep dreaming about my sister and my boyfriend talking about sex or having
it. The one dream I had my sister and my boyfriend sat me down and told me
they had to talk to me about something. They told me that they had had sex
last year. And the other dream was about me kissing her boyfriend and her
kssing my boyfriend. When I wake up I feel like I should be jealous when I
was never jealous before.My sister is a year younger than me and i know she
would never do something like that but I keep dreaming it and I keep
thinking now that it is going to come true.
From: "Janet L."
Subject: help me plz
I had this dream a whike ago.i was at some kind of store about to leave with
ppl I dont even know anyways I look back as we all leave and I see this guy
smiling back at me.I aw draw to him but some pulls me to leave and says come
on we got to go. The next t hing i know some lady takes my to my bedroom
after i walk in i hear a knock at the door i am thinkimg who could this be?
so I open the door and this the guy 4rm the store i come to relize i know
him.He was this aww so cute smile. then there this knock at the door again
and its the lady again so the guy hides behide the door. the lady asks Did
some one just come in here. I respond with a puzzled look followed with a
no. then she apologizes and leaves. when i close the door me and him start
laughing hard.then he followes me up to my room .I was so happy to see him
so I give him this long big hugg.When I let him go he kisses me!!! wow! i
kiss him back . then he walk us toward the bed.I am thinking NO NO NO !!!
SLowly his hand ends up sliding up my shirt. thats when my words come out no
at least trying to cuz were still kissing. A part of me wanted to cave in.I
pushe dhim away 4rm me.he askes what wrong? I tell him i dont think i am
ready for this .He says it okay dont worry about it. WE start talking and i
cant tell what we're sasying. i wake up. okay this guy 4rm my dreans is
recently taking about us having sex.I am 17 and a virgin.My parents taught
me to wait till after i get married. I know his experienced and everything
but part off me wants to push him away. I sO MUCh appriciate any one thoughs
plz thanks
dream_title: College Dorms
dream_date: Sept. 17, 2001
dreamer_name: Lizzle
dream_text: I was in a building it was like a war there was fire and
explosions everyone was running away these people were after me men with
dark hair then I was at my high school someone was with me they said they
were going to do something then the building collapsed there were bricks
everywhere it looked like the ruins of Egypt that I saw in World
Civilizations class I said why did you do that then a tide comes in the
brick gets washed away by the water next I m in college I have two dorm
rooms one for regular classes and the other is for an engineering project
my roommates are Kristen, Lisa, and Jody but it was strange because there
were always guys there too as I was putting away my things I discovered
hidden compartments in the dresser in one drawer I found a lot of quarters
Mike was going to college too he was coming to visit me there out in the
road there were people racing on rollerblades I walked to my other room to
get my book bag on the way back I watch them rollerblade and met some
friends I said they should come and see my other room they came the
landscaping outside my building was beautiful odd-shaped bushes and bright
green beautifully soft grass we went upstairs they left Mike was supposed
to be there he wasn t and I was mad I had told all my roommates to leave
so we could be alone I was lying on my bed I wanted him to be there he
came back with Jody he had been smoking I was furious - I went out on the
balcony I was walking around the building when my foot sank through the
wood because it was rotted but I kept going it got worse and worse I fell
and was hanging on to a pole I started to go back I was scared because
there was water underneath me I stepped on a rope and I sank I wanted to
climb back up but I looked down and there was the side-walk I stepped down
onto it
dream_comments: The dream was right after 9/11/01 so I think that's what the
collaped buildings and the explosions came from. I was a freshman in college
at the time.
dream_title: No Lights, No Television.
dream_date: 07/05/2002
dreamer_name: Lala and JBG
dream_text: It was a dark night and I decided to stay the night in the
basement with my boyfriend, JBG, we decided that it was way to cold and way
to dark in the basement so we decided to sleep with the television. We were
lying there talking and messing around our usual thing we do together, we
are pretty much in love. Well I got up and started to turn the television of
and JBG was like "No Lala don't turn it off" I asked him why he told me that
he had a bad feeling to sleep in the dark. I just waved it off as nothing so
I left it on. Well we ended up falling asleep two hours later. I woke up in
my dream to find JBG standing over me holding a knife in his hand murdering
my parents right in front of me. Then he turned with this evil look in his
eye and came after me. I ran and ran until he finally caught me. Then he
stabbed me in my stomach yelling your not pregnant your not. I was jsut
screaming and yelling trying to get away but his grasp was so tight. I
finally got away and then I woke up.
dream_comments: Before this dream I found out I was pregnant by my boyfriend
and we had been together for 4 years. It was good I was happy, but I was
still young. I was going to tell him that night but I ended up forgetting
about it, I know hard thing to forget about but he always did that to me.
After the dream I found out that I had a mis-carriage. I never told my
parents or JBG about it. I have had this on my mind for about 2 years. Yes,
me and JBG are still together, but I am no longer able to have any children
for the rest of my life because of a stomach disease.
dream_title: mad deer
dream_date: april 16
dreamer_name: scorp
dream_text: ok, im in my car driving on a dark road, and from no where big
mean ,mad, deer comes runnin in front of my car and stops. Looks at me with
big angry eyes, making the sound i never heard, but i know the noise the
deer is making is aimed at me. i have had this dream twice in one week, its
freaking me out. Do you know what this could mean or stand for? All i know
is this deer, in my dream, is one pissed deer at me and i dont know why...
thank you all for your help... Scorp...
dream_comments: im freakyed to know what this means. Help!!
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 01:20:15 -0000
From: "antoniusaquino1"
Subject: The flying dream
I had this dream a long time ago, but I remember it like it
was.....Yesterday. I'm flying. I see the ocean down below sometimes in these
kind of dreams, for some reason I lose this ability, like gravity is
bringing me down. For some reason I am not afraid. I splash into the ocean.
I realize I have a new ability. I am encapsulized in an air bubble of
oxygen, and the oxygen is creating bubbles that rise to the surface. This
bubble of oxygen extends out to about two and a half to three feet all the
way around me. What does this mean? As a note I have had dreams of me being
underwater, and I have the ability to breathe underwater. This is so real
that when I awake I feel as though if I jumped into a pool I might actually
be able to perform this feat.
From: "K.C.
Subject: Re: my boyfriens and my sister
The thing is her boyfriend is skinny and pale and kind of dorky and im not a
least bit attracted to him. And that's not how the dream went. It started
out as my boyfriend and my sister . That's the problem with these dreams its
always about my littler sister and my boyfriend. Honestly im not at all
attracted to him. I just don't understand these dreams.
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 15:30:39 -0000
From: "Allegra"
Subject: End of worlds, anti-christ, sanctuary with the elders, weird
dream..
My dream, strange, with much Christian mythology. I was in my room, sitting
by the steps, my boyfriend was lying, sleeping in my bed. A ghost kept
bugging me, knocking into me. It started throwing things across my room. I
went down stairs to tell my mum and it blew up the light bulbs. The world
began to fold, as if the universe had been written on a piece of paper, and
some one wrinkled it up and caught it on fire. Reality folded, the laws of
the universe began to break. My whole world soon ceased to exist.
The worlds, or universes, were all interconnected, all hooked together in a
means that no human mind could comprehend. As out world collapsed mum and I
wound up in a house in a parallel universe, were we were not alone. There
was another girl there whom could see ghosts in the house. I told her I
could not see them, but I could feel them, we went up stairs and I described
the two ghosts.
Later that world collapsed and I ended up in the sanctuary with the elders.
They had created it when the worlds first started falling, as a means for
any who could to escape the fate of not existing. The ghost I had seen
earlier, were actually the elders, as I could see them through the veil
between worlds. A zombie girl came up to the elders, with two other zombie's
behind her. They were attacking not only us, but her too. I chased them off,
but not her for some reason. A feeling I had, a memory of some thing that
had not happened yet.
She went into labor, she told me that the other zombies would kill her
child, as would any who found it. I remembered the devil taking her, as she
had been in the other world, and raping her. Marking her on the inside. I
remembered it as if it had happened to me, I was like that. I took her child
in my arms and studied it, I knew it was the anti-Christ, yet, it was a
baby. It did not look to healthy, with spider veins on it's head and pale
skin, but I felt love for it. I felt love for all things, both living and
dead, I was not sure which this child was.
In the sanctuary reality was mixed up, scrambled as worlds around it came
crashing down. The child grew up, the elders and I raised it, tell it was
about eleven. I was me, my age did not change, I did not change. I was
eternal. I took care of the boy, and now he was getting older, I studied
him. He had grey, white, and blond long strait hair. His eyes were
blue-grey, and he was about my height.
The devil could not enter the sanctuary, but he had surrounded it, so that
none could leave. He could enter in the form of a dragon, but he could do
nothing to us. Just fly and scurry around. There were portals to, well any
world that was still in existence. The devil had crushed many worlds as his
"hell" had grown, but there were many still unscathed. A girl, the Devil's
son, and I wanted to leave, but the portals were all stuck going to hell.
You would enter one, only to realize to late, that you had the wrong
destination.
I looked at the ring on my left ring finger, it was red, with diamonds
around it, the boy's(anti-Christ) was blue. I said to him, "he's your
father, your the only one strong enough to keep the gate way open. So I
combined my being with his, as one can do when reality hits the wall, and we
concentrated on a green, grassy place.
I remember thinking, that he was the devils son, and I was a, me. That we
were balances against each other. I loved him.
The new world at first was in the 1500's, or there about's, but time quickly
warped us into present time. I remembered that the girl would get me
enslaved so I ran to her and told her to stay out of sight. Then the boy and
I entered a building on the harbor by a bunch of speed and sail boats. There
was a boy there named Damion. (Real person.) Who was dancing, I started
dancing with him. For a moment I remembered my boy friend, the feel of him
as we embraced each other. Then I reminded my self that he had never
existed, now. (Once a world ceases, so does all that ever was in it, for
time is not a one way river.) We danced, and he whispered, "I want to sex
you." (I know, weird.) For some reason I agreed, but that never happed
because I woke up.
I fell asleep again shortly, and was on top of a house boat where the
building had been. The boy was getting paranoid, for every one knew who he
was and feared him. He thought I was some one else, so he stabbed me through
the roof with a broken piece of mirror 3 times. I rolled off the side, then
went into the boat. I ,with no fight from him, took the broken mirror pieces
and threw them out side. Then he ran from me. He ran across the ice, half
luring me out onto the ice, half confused him self. He fell through, I ran
over the tops of boats, then dived in after him, amongst the confusion of
hitting the cold water and not knowing which way was up I woke up.
So what do you guys think?
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:01:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: bez horus
Subject: 27/04/04Dafumu continues
I am at the far E. end of the ridge which has Ridge Town on it . I am also
in Williams Oregon. There is a Gathering of Dreamers there and this is their
home, it is like a Kin of Atha thing. There is a house which is both
inside/outside. I go to a room next to the meeting circle area and Matt is
there as a mouse person. There are Tomato Moth Cattipillars everywhere
growing in astral tomato vines which exist in another dimension which is
superimposed over this one. I make myself very small to hang out with Matt
who is holding one of these cattipillars with both arms around it. Matt has
one of those pointy brown elf* hats. I am full sized again and go into the
middle room which is open to the sky and the south. This is a sacred
circle** and we all sit on the grass to plan what we are going to do.The
lawn is a thick moss but the earth is warmed by the sun.The room is open to
the sky. One of the people in the group let me know that this is my home and
I should stay***.
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Note:*The Plains Indigens believed that there was a tribe of little
people in the Big Horns.
Note:**Medicine Wheel
Note:***Seems to relate to my being a Dream Pilgram.
dream_title: phonecall
dream_date: 4/18/04
dreamer_name: melo magic
dream_text: dreaming of my x girlfriend and thought she gave me her phone #
dream_comments: they are almost real but not quite
dream_title: Pathway
dream_date: 3/20/04
dreamer_name: Maggie
dream_text: I remember standing on a beige sandy shore in a cove. There were
trees behind me I remember seeing a jungle of trees. I could see a body of
water like a lagoon , the water was very clear blue. Under the water I could
see white rocks , about ankle deep in the water, like stepping stones that
lead into the distance. Mike had walked across the water about 10 ft on the
white rocks waiting for me to follow him. At first I was afraid, but then I
followed as he waited for me. What was strange was our feet did not get wet
even though we were walking through the water on the stones in to the
distance.
dream_title: a
dream_date: 4/21/04
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: I was in a parking lot by my apartments were i used to play
basketball with my friends as a little kid. i was now there with my new
friends and we were going to play basketbal but we needed some one to keep
time. so one of my friends gose and get a girl that he knows, and she seems
familiar to me. we were readly to start playing when she talks to me. she
said that she heard a legend about me. i was about to go up to her when alot
of different cand of lizards come out from under cars and plants. you had
your normal green lizards and some wired colored lizards (white and orange).
i get by the lizards and i ask her what she heard. she tells me but i don't
hear her, she tells me again and i still don't hear her. so i get realy
close to her and she puts her arms around me and i do the same, and we talk.
she tells me one more time and i am able to hear her. she say that she heard
that i would not date any one younger then me. but she is younger then me.
we talk some more then my friend show up again and we stop hugging. i laugh
then i wake up.
dream_title: Dream about my boss
dream_date: 21 April 2004
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: I keep having the same dream about my Supervisor, he is dragging
me towards this hospital bed. Then he will try and have intercourse with
me...he is also dressed in a gown and hat that surgeons wear.
dream_comments: I have had an affair with the same guy but things have now
gone wrong between us. I ended the affair
Date: Sat, 01 May 2004 18:59:48 -0000
From: "cvikichjr"
Subject: Dreams and the future
When I was a child I had a dream that I still remember today. In the dream
my parents had taken me to the country, a farm where I was dropped of with a
family I did not know. My family drove of as I chased behind the car trying
to get them to stop and I suddenly realized that I was dreaming and
desperately tried to wake from the dream but I couldn't. Now that I'm much
older I see relationships between the dream and things that have happened to
me over the years. Has anyone else experienced this in some way with there
own dreams?
Date: Sat, 01 May 2004 21:02:41 -0000
From: "waterdreans"
Subject: PLEASE HELP - Disturbing Dream
This dream sounds unreal but I actually had it last night. Please, someone,
help me figure it out.
I was sliding down a hill that was littered with feces and other slimy,
disgusting substances. Then I snuck into a bathroom. An obese naked lady
walked in and I tried to hide behind her. She proceeded to spew a proctile
of watery feces at me, getting feces in my mouth all the way down to my
feet. I was disgusted. I tried to escape and she knelt down on all fours and
spewed feces again.
This is a true dream. If someone has any inkling of what it means,
please help me!
Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 07:58:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Sapphyre
Subject: April 28th Dream Sequence
Second occurance of this scenario, first time it was a
man:
Was moving into an apartment and a woman walked in. She was gaunt, shoulder
length black curly hair, prominent teeth, of possible hispanic or european
descent, 30's maybe late 20's. Claimed she lived there. I didn't argue with
her she started wandering around the apartment, then started to make lunch,
talking, chatty like nothing was wrong. I was ging to go to a back room to
call someone for help. Mom came over and we were going somewhere in a car,
the woman was following us, I told Mom she used to live there but she had
been taken away and institutionalized for drug use and was back trying to
reclaim her home. When I woke up I was back in the apartment and had turned
and she was right in my face.
(whew) Thoughts welcome :).
Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 14:44:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: bez hours
Subject: 01/04/04Mystery School
I am in a town spending the night. Me and my wife are trying to squat in a
house where the owner hasn't been there for a while. We worry about the
owner showing up in the middle of the night, or a home invasion in the
middle of the night. The house is covered with tar paper. There is a large
area ground level basement because the slope of the lot is such that it
needs to be high so the one upper floor is level. The basement area is
covered in tar paper also. There are balconys on 3 sides on the N. E. S. the
road running N. S. at the W. side of the house. Through out the dream I am
seeing the house in my minds eye from about 200' N. and 200' up from a N. W.
N. angle down. The place seems very lonely and is on the S.E. side of a
small town which seems laid out like Eugene Oregon but smaller, and the
field the house is in seems like the field at the S.E. side of town in
Canyonville Oregon. I leave and go into town. There are these people who are
part of a secret society, 40% of the people in town are in the society. I
meet 2 of them and they are into me being part of the society. We wander
around town and we and I me a couple and they take me to a place where I
will have my alter. There is a place which has all these alters which are
going up the hill in a long triangular piece of land which is along the
inside of a spur coming down from a hill with cypresses atop it and on the
other side is a residential area of small house like left over from logging
days. I am actual inheriting the alter from a previous member. The alter is
a large Jaguar with black around empty eyes. I have not opened the eye yet
but they where previously open by its last owner. The from feet have a
wobbly look to them and I will have to brace them up with foundation wedges.
I will have to open the eye* which seems to be some future initiation. I say
how that I have dreamt about the alter in the past and here it is. This
seems to weird out the guy's girl friend because she isn't supposed to know
about the society. We go to a small mall directly E. 1 Block. We go up the
escalator to the second floor and sit down next to where the escalator ends.
The woman is all weirded out by my mention of the prophetic dream. I ask
her,' You go to church right?' 'What church do you go to?’ I am guessing
Baptist. Then I ask her,’ You believe in god?' 'Well, I don't have a problem
with that'. She relaxes. I go to a place where the society meets, which is
under this artificial mountain**. There is a long hall with tables of solid
dark umber timbers. There are about 10 tables*** each orientated N. and S.
And the great hall stretches E and W. The hall is of all rough cut granite
stone. I am at the second table from the W. end, which the first table seems
to
have all the Moderators. I turn around and notice all the guys there
have these long beards****.I think of Sea Life here and that these are
just all the people in sea life. Some how I think Torin Atkinson^ is here
some where also I joke that I am going to have to let my beard grow if I
stick around. I have my normal short beard that is black in the dream and I
have that quasi Anton LaVey look. I am wearing a medieval grey outfit like I
am Machiavelli's Prince. I turn back to the main temple and they ask me what
think of speaking later? As if I would be afraid of talking and I tell them,
'I can go on and on’ (as this being one of the most evolved dreams I have
ever had). They ask me if I mind doing Magic and attending a Black Mass^^ at
lest once a week. I tell them I have no problem.
Go in the other room and I am looking up at the ceiling, which is 150’
above, and there is a movie being projected up there. There is a gurder and
on the bottom on the gurder and onto the Ceiling are Elder Thing
Glyphs^^^which represent constellations. I heard weird and beautiful music,
which is full of strange emotions. I am sitting there and think of Torin and
how for some this stuff is just all art. I start wondering if the society
isn't really Occultists but all artists.
I wake up, then go back to sleep:
I am on a dirt road, which is left by a caterpillar tractor through the
forest called a skid road. The road runs perfectly E. and W. and if about
14' wide. Jennifer and Vhoorl have a house there and the 14' by 14' skid
road is their house in Seatle.Vhoorl is a member of the local society. I am
spending the night and my room is part of the skid road just west of their
room/house. There are deciduous tree, which are about 15 years old on both
sides of the skid road, and the ground cover is Oregon Grape and ferns. The
road, my room is damp reddish blonde dirt. Just to the W. of my room is a
graveyard with ragged versions of C. The graveyard is in another 14' by 14'
square but it is also about 200' by 200'. I decide to dowse the graveyard to
find the positive energy to communicate with^~I see an energy which is in
the S.E. corner^^~which is a pink glow beneath the ragged stones. There is
an evil feminine (Ku) energy on the Left side as I dowse, and this is the
exact N. Half of the graveyard. Jennifer isn't really into all the occult
stuff going on. I go over to the graveyard and lay down with my head to the
W. I am going to sleep on to of the graves and commune with the dead this
way. The male and female graves, which are under the whole of the cemetery,
are under all the little graves and I feel the evil of the guy’s dead wife.
I go to a room off the skid row and I am sharing the room with Vhoorl and
his uncle who looks like the giant in Harry Potter. I leave this to go join
this meeting of the society. They give me a batik of Krishna and I am
carrying it on my back sown to a robe. I get in front of the Temple/Meeting
place and I start chanting Shrii Suktam. I enter the room and I am doing my
ultra hardcore Vedic chanting thing. I start messing up but plow through it
anyway. There now all the guys with beards are dressed like Druids. They
have staffs and these burnished copper plates on their foreheads with rough
white silk acting a means to make a kind of headband. I walk up to the front
where there are these 3 table and on the table to the right is a table
covered with swords on horizontal sword stands and I find some nun chucks
with a 3rd triangular piece in the middle and the 3 pieces are of bamboo. I
am looking for an alter or niche to hang the Krishna picture but all there
is a table in the middle of the room. When I wake the first thing I think of
is how I am glade waking up has saved me from all the embarrassment of
slaughtering the goddess spell anymore than what I did before the society.
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Note* Opening the eyes of the Buddha or Hindhu god in temple instillations.
Note** Venusberg. Also Clive Barker's Cold Heart Canyon.
Note*** Sea Life Dream Cells
http://dreamofpeace.net/sealife/index.php
Further Note: relates to Hecate Cat’s Dream of witch convention
Note****Dawns mention of 28th Annual Medieval Fair in Norman Oklahoma
Note: ^ Torin a guy who thought of the Dream Coven independent of me, I
having created one years ago
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/hillsidethickets/
Note:Vhoorl's dream from the same night of 01/04/04: I am in a room with
this big tank full of giant bugs. There is an aquarium too, with these huge
locusts.
There is a guy standing there tending to them, he's wearing an apron and
looks all pale and puffed out like a bloated corpse.
I dont even know how I got here, but I have to get through this room, and I
have to pass by him on my way to the door. As I do, he puts a bunch of the
locusts on me. They are all crawling up my back, and I hear this
*clack-clack-clack-clack* sound from their wings. I wake up thinking they
are on my back and I roll over to crush them. My lower chakras are vibrating
really strongly, and i lay there and chill out to see what they are going to
do. I fall back asleep.
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Rev Sargon's Commentary on Vhoorl's Dream of 01/04/04: I used to work
for Graham Holye who wrote this article :
Hoyle, G. 1974. Neural control of skeletal muscl. In: The Physiology of
Insecta. M. Rockstein (ed.) Vol. IV. pp. 176-236, Academic Press, N.Y.
My job was raising Locusts.
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Note:^^Memeber of Sea Life dream Cell Astral Mass and Hecate Cat's
witch convention dream.
Note:^^^ HP Lovecraft's Witch House- Witch House Dream Coven.
Note:^~Remedy Feathers Haunting.
Note:^^~ RaHoorPaarKrat.
Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 08:04:42 -0000
From: "king_”
Subject: Horses
Hi!
I am from south india, I had a weird dream a month ago which came
true.
I am on main street, on my motorbike and it is in tatters because of two
horses, they are running all over chasing people. I am the only one they
avoid because of my evasive action. They kick and bite people and later the
cops come in and take them by tying them to a crane... A couple of weeks
later I read in a town in india two horses were biting people and they later
die... They had been bitten by dogs earlier rendering them rabid... Can
anyone explain this psychic experience. regards Dusty
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 10:13:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: bez horus
Subject: 09/05/04Devil's Lake
09/05/04Devil's Lake
There is a long valley which is the result of a glacier. Hell is a lake*
which is about 2 miles wide and stretchs back into the valley which runs N.
and S. I am out in the middle of the lake and there are these warehouses
which in the dream I am think are just one long warehosue. The warehouses'
floor is just the surface of the green water, all the lost souls seem to be
down there in the depths, the warehouse is foundationless**. I am hovering
through the warehoouse and I am moving N.*** There is a glacial morraine dam
at the N. Shore and there is dry land in that directon out side of Hell. As
I move to the last warehouse, the one whose N. wall is the last barrier, the
demons become more violent^. They have all these curved knives to chop up
exscaping souls. The last wall had a line of window fames in it the length
of the 200' wide warehouse wall. I was hoping to fly out one of the places
where one of the panes were missing. I am driven back S.^^I am levitating
but my power is like an invisible harrier jet around me. I out distance the
demons with the knives, hell mafia enforcers. I am flying through the
warehouse and I come to a kind of warehouse/ships bridge where all the
executive devils^~ are, the managers of Hell.
Wake up
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Note:* the lake in the dream doesn't look like lake Avernus but it
seems to be the same idea as connected with Hell.
http://wings.buffalo.edu/AandL/Maecenas/italy_except_rome_and_sicily/avernus
/ac880625.html
http://www.ischiamondo.com/page91.html
Note:** like the bottomless pit.
Note:***N. is the direction of liberation.
Note:^ not the dream mirrors a recent dream of being a mafia's dog at a
bunker which ran N. and S. in a valley which opened to the N.
Note:^^ direction of Death.
Note:^~ Like in the book the Corporation: The Pathological Pursuit of
Profit and Power by Joel Bakan.
Further commentary on 07/05/04 dream by Jeff Lewis:
"Galen--fakir--faker.Eloi--Moorlocks. Devas-asuras. In opposition they turn
the churn. WaltDisney happy world and Hieronymous Bosch Hell underpark. The
reason whythe "happy" rapturing Christians and Hindus flying off to the
Tibetanfoothills don't want to know about hell is they are trying to
buildtheir religions, happiness on it. The tree has roots in evil, a
covenantwith it. To pretend this isn't so is what is called "denial."Same
oldsame old sewer beneath the guru and the milkmaids in one of your
dreams.Even the demons won't let that fake world be built anymore."
Rev Sargon: Hell is all how one looks at it.
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 09:28:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: Sapphyre
Subject: 5-15 Dream Sequence
As usual thoughts welcome! This series kind of bugged me.
I had some bizarre and very vivid dreams in this segment.
Partly I dreamt I went to Romania to find my boyfriend. (I have a love
interest in Bucharest) At first no one told me where he was, then a man told
me that he was in an asylum, he'd had a lobotomy, and the man wanted to hire
me to take care of him. I was taken to my boyfriend and he was sitting on
this cot acting like an imbecile in a room but kind of like a cell ... I
wanted to take the job so I could sneak him out of there and make him well
...
It was just ... wicked ... although the scenery was very vivid and it was
nothing I'd seen in any film or picture. There was a bridge and beside it
was a waterfall, kind of like a fountain but was natural, it was very lush
and serene, I was enchanted by the place. The building where he was being
kept was immense ... very old and open but huge with very beautiful
furnishings and vases, paintings, etc., but it was extremely huge.
Then after that dream faded I dreamt I was in an apartment with two other
women, and the roof was leaking badly and some globs of yellow sulfurous
stuff had been glopped on the ceiling but the roof was leaking in places
other than that and a man came to look at it and one of these glops dropped
off onto my face and into my mouth.
Pretty freaky ... and the first part out of left field I've no idea where
that came from. Thanks for any input!
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 03:16:54 -0000
From: "Karl”
Subject: summer of 2002 and 2003 dream
ok I have had this dream for 2 summers now I can't find out why.
I start at a local Dancing area I am at the bar drinking a pepsi and feeling
lonely and then my Kelly a Classmate of mine see me at the bar stool and
talks to me after the chat we go to the dance floor and do a slow dance to a
love song like Enrique Iglesias - Hero but with me singing it to her also
and than I wake up and found that did not happened
she had a white shirt on too
I thought that this means She loves me but then I type out a love letter for
her and put it in her locker and I was refused? So I have no clue on what my
dream was about please help.
Karl
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 15:53:27 -0000
From: "lil_vita1"
Subject: Weird dream
I had a dream that I was in this real fancy hotel... it was some guys from
school there...and these two females I really don't like. The guys called
some stripper(but she was more than jsut a stripper) to the hotel room. So
Im "chillin" and the guys are arguing over who gets her first. While this is
going on me and a friend are dancing...and on the other side of the room the
two females I don't like are dancing too. Then out of nowhere I think about
one of my ex's and call him. Me and him are having a long
conversation.....the guys and that girl are trying to get me to join in with
her...but Im talking to Jamal....well in the end I tell Jamal I love
him...but he hangs up....before we end the convo....I said suhen
rude...thats why he hung up...tell me what it all means.
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 09:39:47 -0000
From: "Andrea"
Subject: Re-Occuring Dream about same person
HI, I am new to this group. I keep having dreams over and over again about
the same person. I think that I dream about him because I have feelings for
him. He is a friend of mine, and he knows how I feel. In my dreams I am so
happy and complete and just an unexplainable feeling of bliss. When I wake
up I am overwhelmed with guilt and am almost in tears because of these
dreams. I am married and feel bad about having these dreams all the time.
In my dream tonight, still haven't gone back to sleep from waking up during
it, I was waiting to see if a war/end of world attack that I knew may be
getting ready to start was actually going to happen. I was walking down the
road by my friend's (the guy who I dream about) house. He had an unusually
long swimming pool and I got in and instead of walking down the sidewalk
like you usually would continuing my walk I got in the pool and started
swimming. It was a very narrow long pool. He got in and swam to me, I turned
around and went under water and pretended I didn't see him. He started
talking to me and then we got on a bench I put my head in his lap and was
hiding waiting to see if the end ( I think the world was waiting for a bomb
or nuclear weapon to be launched at us) It never did. We decided that we
needed sleep as we had been up all night. He walked me home to my mother's
house. I don't live there, so that was odd to me. We didn't do alot of
talking during the ride back before he walked me to my mother's. But I do
remember the feeling of absolute happiness, warmth, and love in this dream.
As we were walking he was telling me he needed to get some sleep. I told him
no one was home at my mom's then I woke up.
Any insight or comments would be greatly!! welcomed. I am troubled by this
it has been going on for a couple of years now. Thank You, Andrea
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 09:58:09 -0700
From: Kelly
Subject: birds and planes??
Hi there all! Last night I had the strangest dream. Any interpretations
would be great! Bear in mind, I try to stay away from the media...so I
cannot contribute any part(s) of my dreams to t.v., newspaper, etc...This is
what I remember: There were 2 birds. They were supposedly pigeons. (Thinking
back on it now..they looked like parakeets to me!) Anyway, my husband is
there and starts cutting them up for dinner. I think that is disgusting and
I am horrified!
Then it jumps to this:
I have a design for a plane. When it's built it will actually look like an
oversized kite, but it is flyable. I am using tarot cards to build it. Any
ideas? Thanks, Kelly
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 01:53:44 -0000
From: "marty”
Subject: freeway dream
I am writing this again because I didn't see my message posted. I have
dreamt more than once that I am driving and I come upon an intersection and
I am not sure which way Im supposed to turn and I always turn the wrong way.
Usually it is two options that I have and this has happened in the streets
and in the freeway. But on this occasion I was driving on the freeway and I
was attempting to merge onto the 10 freeway (CA). It was to the left of me
and I was not able to make it on time and I took the far right. But on this
occasion I had three options and like usual I made a wrong turn. Then out
of nowhere I see a lot of people on the side of the freeway as if they were
waiting for the subway or metro and I pulled over to ask if this freeway I
had taken would lead me to the 10 freeway and she did so I continued on it.
What I find weird of this dream is that now I am faced with three options
rather than the usual 2 can anyone give me some insight?
Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 22:20:43 -0000
From: "Janet”
Subject: Disapearence
I dreamed that my 3 sisters (erica 14, jasmin 10, sonia 8)my lil
cuzins(adriana 11, ageda 7) and me(17) were at home cuz we had to babysit my
cuzins.Out of the blue we decide to drive them home.My sister Erica was the
one who drove. My aunt and uncles house was very different.ON one side og
the street was a dead end. Well, we droped them off and i was worried about
the time cuz it was like 7:30 p.m. the time my dad would get home 4rm work
he would go crazy if he got homw and did not find the van so we left. So it
was me and my siters in the car. Erica took the dead end street and we had
to turn.I remember seeing some kind of dog that kept barking at us. As we
took the other street Erica decides to get out of the car.There was this
house that looked like it was turned into some kind of clothing store.On the
other end was a clear door in which erica went though well at leat it looked
like it i was starting to panic cuz she did not come back so i went to seach
4 her.Realizing she was no where in sight i screamed her name and was
heading into a big time panic attack.Not only that as i get back to the car
Jasmin and sonia or gone!!!!!!!!!! I woke up scared,frightened,& with a
aching throut.What could this mean.Why is it that they all disapeared.Well
let me know if anyone has ANY idea that might be helpful to interpet this
dream.Thanks.
dream_title: a
dream_date: 4/21/04
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: I was in a parking lot by my apartments were i used to play
basketball with my friends as a little kid. i was now there with my new
friends and we were going to play basketbal but we needed some one to keep
time. so one of my friends gose and get a girl that he knows, and she seems
familiar to me. we were readly to start playing when she talks to me. she
said that she heard a legend about me. i was about to go up to her when alot
of different cand of lizards come out from under cars and plants. you had
your normal green lizards and some wired colored lizards (white and orange).
i get by the lizards and i ask her what she heard. she tells me but i don't
hear her, she tells me again and i still don't hear her. so i get realy
close to her and she puts her arms around me and i do the same, and we talk.
she tells me one more time and i am able to hear her. she say that she heard
that i would not date any one younger then me. but she is younger then me.
we talk some more then my friend show up again and we stop hugging. i laugh
then i wake up.
Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 02:25:26 -0000
From: "marty”
Subject: freeway dream
Its been more than once that I dream that I am driving. The last time I
dreamt that I was driving on the freeway and and I was trying to merge to
the 710 freeway (California) and I wasn't sure if I was getting on the right
way and instead of going to the right I took a left and it was on an incline
and it was the wrong way. This past dream I was driving on the freeway and I
came upon the decision of going in either three directions and I was not
sure which way to go. I tried to merge left to get on the 10 freeway and I
wasn't able to and made a turn to the left which was the wrong way. Then
what is weird is that the freeway sort of turned into like a train station
and I pulled in to get information as to if the freeway that I was on would
eventually get me to the 10 and she told me it would so I continued on it.
Everytime I dream that I am driving I make a wrong turn but it usually is
either a left or right this time it was three options. Can anyone give me
some insight on this dream?
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: Family at beach with husbands fmaly. Huge wave comes.Everyone
swept up,but no one is hurt.
dream_comments: Always these dreams are somehow relatead to my husbands
fmaly and our fmaily and there is always a large wave of water.
dream_title: UNDERSTANIDNG A MADMAN
dream_date: 05/24/04
dreamer_name: ANNIE H
dream_text: It begins when I am at a social gathering and there appears to
be someone interested in talking to me. I ignore the man and address to
everyone that I am going to sleep. It is when I am going to sleep that two
strangers approach me and warn me about the man who wanted to talk to me.
They reveal to me that he is a madman and that it all began during his
childhood. I am taken back to when the madman was a child and it is as if I
am witnessing it firsthand the man's childhood. He is about 6-8 yrs. old and
playing on a building's rooftop with some friends. He then pushes one of his
friend's off the roof intentionally and I am witnessing the friend's fall
firsthand. Obviously his friend dies and at that moment the young madman
jumps off the roof but nothing happens to him and he is completely unharmed
and that is where it all began.
dream_comments: I am not sure what this dream is suppose to mean but it left
me scared, because I have never had such a gruesome and detailed dream that
I could remeber. If you know what this dream might mean please e-mail me for
it is bothering immensely.
dream_title: Death
dream_date: 5/25/04
dreamer_name: Tressa
dream_text: My husband and I had the same dream last night about each other
dying. In my dream he was struggling to stay alive, and I was telling him
that God was waiting for him and that he should go and be free. He finally
did quit breathing and he did die in my dream. Also, I don't know what
caused his death. This dream started when I was at his side and he was
already trying to tell him to not be afraid.
dream_comments: This dream was very disturbing, and I woke up greiving. I
called my husband at work, and told him how much I love him, and he said he
had had a dream last night that I had died, then I told him I had a similar
dream. Does this mean one of us or both are in some kind of trouble?
dream_title: shot in the stomach
dream_date: The last month I had the dream three times
dreamer_name: nancysoz
dream_text: I am shot in the stomach, once by a guy I never seen, and the
other two times just shot a couple times in my stomach, I could feel my self
being shot, the pain, and also dying. I am afraid because my dreams come
true alot of the times.
dream_comments: I am so afraid of getting shot now, I find myself looking
around alot
dream_title: my friend
dream_date: 22/05/04
dreamer_name: Rach
dream_text: i had this dream the other night about one of my friends-
Claire. the thing with her is that she's really not right- something about
her makes the rest of us really cringe, and she's kinda strange 'cos she
keeps copying us- buying the same clothes as us etc. well anyways, i dreamt
our 'gang' were all on holiday together abroad. we got into some kind of
trouble and were running away from someone, but Claire couldn't keep up.
eventually she was quite far behind, and got stuck behind us and we took a
lift up to the next level of the building we were in, and Claire didn't get
there before the doors shut. when we got to the next level, i was in my
school. i tried to ring her mobile to see if she was ok, but instead it
connected me to a sort of 'dial-a-magazine' line, and Claire was on the
line, also ringing in, asking for advice on how to get your hair to do what
you want it too. (none of us like her hair as it's very full and frizzy.)
any ideas what all this is about?
dream_comments: not the only time i've had dreams like this about Claire
dream_title: A** whipping from H*ll
dream_date: 05/2
dreamer_name: Confused Quite A Bit
dream_text: I dreamed my lover came to my house and knocked on my window and
then walk through the unlocked door early in th morning knowing that his
baby mama stays across the street from me. She saw his car and came directly
to my house with some friends of hers and some weapons. I was fearful but i
grabbed for something in my room and was ready. He got out of the house
somehow and before anyone of them got to me i woke up.
dream_comments: what does this mean?
dream_title: Lift crashed at ground
dream_date: 24/05/2004
dreamer_name: Carlo
dream_text: I was in a lift at the ONU palace with an unknown man, we should
go down but the lift crashed, we died.
Then I was waiting the same lift with few friends an was the same.
dream_comments: Sorry for my English
dream_title: SNAKE IN VAGINA
dream_date: 5-22-04
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: I dreamed that there was something inside my vagina and it had
been there for several years and it was bothering me with discomfort. i
stuck my fingers in my vagina and felt the tip of something, i told my
husband "i feel something and i am going to pull it out". i grabbed a hold
of it and pulled on it and it was hurting as i was pulling it out as it was
embedded inside my vaginal wall. When i finished getting it out it was a
live snake. it was moving back and forth hissing trying to escape. It bit my
husband who was standing in front of me and it tried to bite me too. My
husband yelled to me to kill it and i grabbed it by the neck and strangled
it.(my husband is afraid of snakes) The snake had thick black blood coming
out its mouth and tail. I showed it to my mother and we all stood over the
dead snake. We were all shocked.
dream_comments: This dream has bothers my so much. It is so strange and was
so real. The snake was about thirty inches long and was alive inside of me.
So weird.
dream_title: Ever in 2 bodies at 1 time?
dream_date:
dreamer_name: cutie pie!
dream_text:DREAM: A few friends and I were on a swing bridge beside a huge
iron bridge that is actually real... Anyhow(from the imagined bridge) we
were watching this girl standing on the bridge rail, wondering if she should
jump off--The dream was all black and white and grey with the exception of
her pink shirt...All of a sudden, she jumps off the bridge...at that
second...I was in her body...struggling to not hit the ground--but I too
stood from the other bridge and watched her fall...I hit the ground and it
went back to being a single individual.
dream_comments: HOW INSANE IS THIS DREAM??TWO PEOPLE AT ONCE...IS THIS
COMMON??
I didn’t think that this kind of experience wasn't possible, haven’t heard
about it before, I don’t know what to say...I'm completely blown away every
time I think about it--because at once, I can see two things happening...not
just see...but actually feel and experience two lives at once---BE TWO
SEPARTATE PEOPLE AT THE SAME SECOND....This happened about six seven months
ago...
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