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Volume #11 Issue #12
December 2004
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C O N T E N T S
++ Editor's Notes
++ Global Dreaming News – Harry Bosma
++ Column: An Excerpt From the Lucid Dream Exchange
Robert Waggoner interviews Keelin
Lucy Gillis
++ Article: Dream Meaning 101
Linda Lane Magallón
++ Column: The View From the Bridge
DaFuMu Meets Dream In to Create Psi Dream Event
Jean Campbell
++ Dream: Dreams of the Dead
Stan Kulikowski II
++ Article: Revisiting the Senoi Dream Theory:
The Bad Logic of Sir G. William Domhoff
by Strephon Kaplan-Williams
++ DREAM SECTION: Dreams from November, 2004
Host Kat Peters-Midland
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Editor's Notes
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Welcome to the December 2004 issue of Electric Dreams, your portal to dreams
and dreamwork online.
If you are new to dreams and dreamwork, please join us on
dreamchatters@yahoogroups.com and we will guide you to the resources &
groups you need. To join, send an e to
dreamchatters-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
I’m very happy to announce that Harry Bosma has offered to take over and
edit the Global Dreaming News and we will be including his editions each
month here at Electric Dreams. If you have any dream news, conferences,
books, workshops, and especially any online meetings or events, be sure to
send that information to Harry by the 15th of each month at
ed-news@...
This month in Electric Dreams:
Lucy Gillis travels around the dream world to find the most talented and
experimental lucid dreamers and reports on these in the Lucid Dream
Exchange. This month she features Robert Waggoner’s DreamSpeak interview
with long-time lucid dreamer Keelin. Though she began her lucid dreaming
career spontaneously, she found out about Laberge’s work at the Lucidity
Institute and learned she could participate in making lucid dreams occur.
Keelin shares wisdom gain about and from lucid dreams in this interview.
Linda Lane Magallón (author of "Mutual Dreaming") discusses the ups and
downs of dream dictionaries throughout the ages by looking at what they have
had to say about flying dreams. Take this historical flight in “Dream
Meaning 101.”
Jean Campbell has a summary of the activities on the World Dream Peace
Bridge, where people from around the world get together online and share
dreams for world peace and understanding.
Not sure what’s going on in the world these days? Maybe a project with the
World Dream Peace Bridge is just the thing for you.. Be sure to read all
about this in the View From the Bridge.
In the article, “The Bad Logic of Sir G. William Domhoff” dreamwork pioneer
Strephon Kaplan-Williams examines the views of G. W. Domhoff on the Senoi
dream-sharing tribe. The tribe has created more than a little controversy
over the years. If you are not familiar with the Senoi, you may want to
read my quick summary of the controversy at:
http://dreamgate.com/dream/library/idx_anthropology.htm
and also read the article Kaplan-Williams is responding to at:
http://www.asdreams.org/magazine/articles/domhoff01.htm
I’m including in the article section a dream by Stan Kulikowski, who unique
recording style for dreams interweaves a wide variety of narrative
techniques, technological know how and oneiric experience. Check out “Dreams
of the Dead.”
Have you seen the Electric Dreams Articles Archive? Almost all the articles
from the last decade of Electric Dreams are sorted by author, and now,
thanks to Janet Garrett, you can see them listed chronologically by issue as
well. You can see her work progress and view hundreds of article on dreams
at:
http://www.improverse.com/ed-articles/index.htm
Finally, I have updated the Search Index, so you can search by topic,
author or what-have-you.
Floating in the air, weightless and transparent, naked and walking down an
unrecognized street, falling off a cliff, a rolling earthquake, swarming
birds, a vortex-like thing opening in the middle of a street…what else could
it be? You got it – it’s another Dream section of Electric Dreams! Be sure
to read all of these dreams and more.
If you want to send in dreams, please enter them at
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/temple
or join the dream flow at
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For those of you who are new to dreams and dreaming, be sure to stop by one
of the many resources:
http://www.dreamtree.com
http://www.dreamgate.com/electric-dreams
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/library
Electric Dreams in PDF: (thanks to Nick Cumbo)
http://electric.dreamofpeace.net/
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See you all in 2005!
-Richard Wilkerson
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G L O B A L D R E A M I N G N E W S
http://dreamunit.net/news-en/
December 2004
If you have news you'd like to share, simply email Harry Bosma at his
special
ed-news@... address. I can also publish especially European
and Asian dream news on the Dreamers United web log, see www.dreamunit.net
if you're curious.
Online:
- New monthly e-newsletter Energy And The Art Of Balance
- International dreaming with the Dream-ruyaTurkiye group
Physical world:
- Oneiric Visions, a program in Brazil (Stephen LaBerge)
- Discount deadline of the IASD conference 2005
Books, movies, research:
- The Language of Dreams by Robert Hoss
* * * ONLINE * * *
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- New monthly e-newsletter Energy And The Art Of Balance
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I would like to announce that beginning next month, I will be starting a
monthly e-newsletter called Energy And The Art Of Balance. Its focus will be
on how dreams and intuition can help us balance our spiritual lives with the
world of our daily affairs. I have seen from experience that this subject
seems to generate quite a bit of interest and it is a direction most of us
seek as we continue forward on our spiritual paths.
"Through the practice of spirituality we strive for a connection with our
spiritual nature and, often we want our lives to reflect that connection.
Yet, my own experiences and conversations with other people have shown me
that we tend to compartmentalize our spiritual lives separate from our daily
lives. We don't always approach our own spirituality with the intent of
combining the three main aspects of spirituality (mind, body and spirit) as
an integrated whole in our daily affairs. All three play an equal role and
have an important part in our connection with spirit".
-From the article Spirit And The Art Of Balance by Edward Bonapartian
If you would like to sign up for this newsletter please e-mail me at
ebonapar@...
Your e-mail address will be kept confidential and will not be shared with
anyone else. Please feel free to forward this e-mail to anyone you know who
may be interested.
With my thanks,
Ed
Edward Bonapartian is the author of The Stories Of Our Lives - a story of
healing through dreams and intuition (ISBN 159 113 4498). His avid interest
in sharing dream awareness in a blue collar environment has allowed him to
publish articles on dreamwork both in the United States and England. He has
been a contributor to Dream Network Journal, Electric Dreams, Grassdancer
Vibrational Essences Magazine, Rocky Mountain Dream Journal, and Spiral
Magazines. His interest in dreams and spirituality has led him to attend
workshops on a array of subjects such as divination, intuitive healing,
shamanism and working with dreams.
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- International dreaming with the Dream-ruyaTurkiye group
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The Turkish dream discussion group "Dream-ruyaTurkiye" was created last
September, and had 75 members in a short time. World dreamers are welcome to
join us in our discussions, many of our members write in both languages, and
we are trying to translate the others in English as much as we can. We wish
to be an international group, learning and exchanging knowledge with the
dreamers from other countries and cultures.
Thank you very much - Ilkin
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dream-ruyaTurkiye/
* * * PHYSICAL WORLD * * *
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- Oneiric Visions, a program in Brazil (Stephen LaBerge)
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Ayahuasca, Lucidity, and Dreaming in the Amazon A 13-day residential program
with Stephen LaBerge, Ph.D. and Luis Eduardo Luna, Ph.D. January 23-February
5, 2005, Manaus, Brazil.
http://www.lucidity.com/
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- Discount deadline of the IASD conference 2005
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>From the International Association for the Study of Dreams Discount
Deadline for Berkeley Conference in December!
Hello everyone - I just wanted to remind you that the conference discount
ends 31 December 2004 so please register on-line before that date at
www.asdreams.org/2005 if you are thinking of attending the IASD 22nd annual
conference June 24-28, 2005 at the Doubletree Hotel in Berkeley, California.
The discount is roughly 10% off of our early 2005 rate. Also please send in
your responses to the Call for Papers before 31 December if you wish to
present. We are going to start processing and scheduling early so please get
them to Robert Hoss right away with a copy to Alan Siegel
VENUE The Conference will be held on the San Francisco Bay at the Doubletree
Hotel adjacent to the Berkeley Marina. The hotel is in a beautiful quiet
waterfront setting across the bay from the Golden Gate Bridge, and offers
spectacular views of the Bay and marina. The site offers a wildlife
sanctuary, and large waterfront park, plus ready access to Berkeley and the
4th street shops and restaurants. The San Francisco Bay Area is an ideal
cool and sunny summer vacation spot, and with the 4th of July fireworks
displays at the marina the weekend following the conference, it makes for a
perfect time to stay and vacation in the Bay Area. For that reason the hotel
is offering a special vacation package for the 4th of July weekend in
addition to the discounted group rates for the Conference.
* * * BOOKS * * *
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The Language of Dreams by Robert Hoss
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"The Language of Dreams - Working with Imagery and Color" Robert Hoss, M.S.,
Executive Officer and Past President International Association for the Study
of Dreams, Instructor in Dream studies for Haden Institute, Paradise Valley
College, Scottsdale College. Author can be reached at
robertjhoss@... or
web site
http://dreamgate.com/dream/hoss/
This book is written to complement various courses and workshops presented
by the author. It covers: the basics and most frequently asked questions
regarding dreams and dreaming; some of the latest findings in the
neurobiology and possible relationship to dream content; the most common
psychological theories of dreams; a suggested composite "model" for what is
happening in dreams from a self-integration standpoint; a simple but
powerful technique (based on Gestalt and Jungian principles) for discovering
the "language" of dream imagery and personal associations hidden within; and
the latest research by the author relating to the significance of color in
dreams. The book concludes with a set of workbook style procedures and
modules for working with your dreams, discovering personal meaning within
the imagery and color, identifying conflicts and impasses that impede your
progress, and using the dream to help with personal transformation. 162
pages, 13 chapters. Copyright 2004.
Price: $25 hard copy; $17 e-book version on CD (includes Adobe Reader); $12
for electronically transmitted e-book version (Adobe Reader required). Price
includes postage within the US. Add $5 for shipping internationally.
ALL PROFITS GO TO IASD for books ordered through IASD. ORDER HERE TODAY:
http://www.asdreams.org/2004_hoss_book.htm
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Support the Dream Movement – Join the Dream-In
from the International Association for the Study of Dreams
http://www.worlddreamspeacebridge.org/dreamin/dreaminhome.htm
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Dear Dreamers,
On Tuesday night, November 16/17, the annual Pledge Drive of the
International Association for the Study of Dreams kicked off with a Dream
In.
Even if you cannot afford to pledge or donate this year to IASD, dreams are
free, and we value them. If you want some interesting information about how
dreams can lead to solutions, try Deirdre Barrett's *Committee of Sleep*,
for example :))
So dream and, if you'd like to share the information, just go the IASD web
site at
http://www.asdreams.org and look for the Dream In page. No
interpretations, but all dreams are welcome. Let's dream up a bright future
of the greatest organization of dreamers in the world.
And if you'd like to post a Pledge Challenge this year? Go to the Dream In
pages and click on Pledge Challenge. Let's see what we can do for IASD.
http://www.worlddreamspeacebridge.org/dreamin/dreaminhome.htm
Jean Campbell, Chair
IASD Development Committee
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An Excerpt From The Lucid Dream Exchange
By Lucy Gillis
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This month we feature Robert Waggoner’s DreamSpeak interview with long-time
lucid dreamer Keelin.
DreamSpeak
An Interview With A Lucid Dreamer
By Robert Waggoner
Without knowing the proper term for it, Keelin began lucid dreaming
spontaneously during those childhood years, relishing the unlimited freedom
it offered. Then, when her beloved father passed away at an early age, she
embraced dreaming even more fully as it proved a way to keep the tender
feelings of connection alive.
Many years later, Stephen LaBerge's writings put a name to her favorite
nocturnal adventures and introduced her to the astonishing concept of
dreaming lucidly at will. Over the past several years, she's shared her
endless enthusiasm for lucid dreaming by offering occasional workshops,
facilitating at The Lucidity Institute's Dreaming and Awakening retreats, a
bit of writing on the topic here and there, participating in research
experiments and volunteering as a lab subject.
Currently, Keelin lives the waking version of a sweet dream with the love of
her life in Northern California. And while she spends much of her day as a
graphic cartographer mapping the external world, her nights are dedicated to
navigating by a different compass, exploring and charting an inner world of
wonders.
Robert: Keelin, you have been a long time lucid dreamer and contributor to
the LDE from the beginning. Tell us, how did you first become interested in
lucid dreaming?
Keelin: Some of my early childhood dreams included spontaneous lucidity, but
if I were to choose the most memorable moment, it would be during the first
dream I had about my father after he died. Although the awareness was only
of a tacit level, the experience had a huge impact and drew me
wholeheartedly into a passion for dreaming. My father was just forty-nine
years old when he died of a sudden heart attack. In the all-too-brief eleven
years I'd known him, he'd been confined to a wheelchair due to multiple
sclerosis. I had never seen my father walk in waking life, but when I saw
him in the dream, he was walking with ease!
Completely astonished, I quiz him shyly, "I thought you were supposed to be
dead." He assures me that he is, then quickly adds, "but it's really okay."
"So...where's your wheelchair?", I ask. He gives me a huge grin and
replies, "Well, honey, I don't need it anymore!"
I can't tell you how elated I was at his newly found freedom, and concluded
in a childlike, matter-of-fact sort of way that Death has its advantages!
Dreams of my father came fairly often in the first few years after his
passing, and it was during this time that I began to recognize Dreamland as
the special place that allowed me to feel the sweet and eternal connection
with him that I so cherish.
So in a way, I kind of slipped in the backdoor on lucid dreaming when I was
just a child. I knew the dreams weren't taking place in reality, but it
didn't matter. It wasn't until decades later when I read LaBerge's first
book, that I learned the term "lucid dreaming". And what really sparked my
interest further was that he claimed one could dream this way at will!
Robert: What methods did you use to become aware that you were dreaming?
And did that change over the years?
Keelin: Before reading LaBerge's book, I understood how catching anomalies
within the dream worked to cue lucidity as I'd had some experience with that
type of onset. But reading about different categories of "dreamsigns" helped
expand that understanding. Eventually, I began to look at how I responded to
oddities in waking life, figuring that I'd most likely respond the same way
while dreaming.
Everyone probably has a favorite phrase they use when encountering bizarre
situations. Mine happens to be, "How odd!" And for awhile, I was simply
trying to pay attention to whenever I said that phrase or heard it in my
head. Finally, I realized a simple acknowledgement wasn't enough. What
worked much more effectively was to add the qualifier, "How odd is it?" In
other words, is it odd enough to mean this is a dream? So now I've trained
myself to take advantage of those moments when something has snagged my
awareness antenna and stay in the moment long enough to reflect and ask that
simple question. It makes all the difference! And if it's not a dream? Then
it's still an opportunity to practice for the next time that it might be. So
the exercise, regardless of the answer, is not without benefit.
Other methods I've found highly effective are the Mnemonic Induction of
Lucid Dreaming (MILD) and the Morning Nap. The Lucidity Institute's
experiments that led to the discovery of the nap technique demonstrated a
definite advantage to injecting an interlude of wakefulness during the later
hours of the sleep cycle. The promise of a lucid dream is so high with this
approach, especially when combined with MILD, that it's been incorporated
into the Dreaming and Awakening Retreat program. Yes, I know, it's a rough
schedule, starting out each day in Hawaii with a morning nap! (Anyone
interested in the reading the research report on the Nap Technique
experiments can find it at:
http://lucidity.com/NL63.RU.Naps.html)
And, of course, there's the NovaDreamer, which can be fun no matter what
level of experience one has reached. There's an article on TLI's website
titled Adventures with the NovaDreamer that chronicles some of my early
experiences with this clever device. Catching the cue that induces lucidity
is a thrill, but I came to enjoy even some of the missed cues. For example,
in one dream, when the cue did not incorporate into the dream scene in a
disguised fashion, but simply appeared as soft, red pulsing lights, I
thought: Ah! Someone very nearby is dreaming right now!
One of my favorite induction techniques has to do with the imagined somatic
sensation of my body rocking side-to-side as if I were lying in a canoe. I
find this technique a highly pleasurable way to launch into a WILD (wake
initiated lucid dream). As an example, one night I imagined rocking until it
became fantastically vivid. I knew that my physical body was as still as
could be, yet the sense of movement was thoroughly convincing. Mental
associations led to the blossoming of the dream as a rowboat formed around
my emerging dream body, and I thought: If I can get this boat rocking
extremely enough, I'll roll right out. Which I did -- and right into the
surreal dream Sea. What also works, even though it's not exactly a standard
method, is participating in experiments for The Lucidity Institute. Knowing
that the data will be useful for furthering research in the field adds
incentive, and I'm always curious to see what will happen.
As experienced lucid dreamers know, having a well-defined, strongly intended
goal can make a big difference when you're wanting to lucid dream at will.
Robert: Often in your lucid dream reports, I have noticed your interest in
the ocean. If you would, share a couple of these experiences, and what they
mean to you?
Keelin: Ah, yes. What is it with the Sea? While reviewing my journals
recently, I came across this brief dream account; a reminder of how even a
few moments of lucid dreaming can fall into the category of extraordinary
moments in a lifetime.
While quietly awaiting the onset of dreaming, the expanse of my visual field
is suddenly filled with the seductive, rhythmic motion of foam-capped peaks
atop endless mountains of clear, liquid turquoise.
This hypnagogic episode brought a most exquisite feeling of being "one with
the Sea", with no distinct or separate physical body, only a sense of
endless, easy rhythm beyond time, of purpose with no agenda, of natural
serenity. Now, when I visit the Sea in waking life, the memory of this
feeling returns. Gazing past the crashing waves, I lose myself again in the
undulating beauty beyond and know that because of those few moments of
lucidity on the shores of Dreamland, I am forever changed.
And another favorite from the archives:
... And in the still dark hours of the morning, I slip into a WILD that
blossoms out of an imagined living at seawater's edge. Using a small,
hand-held rake, I comb steps of wet sand into various patterns, my favorite
design resembling multiple brainwaves. I turn and enter a sea of deep teal,
slightly thicker than water of the waking world, and more translucent than
transparent. This adds a mysterious quality as depth increases. Were it not
for the gift of lucidity, anxiety as to what might possibly swim 'neath the
surface would surely toss me quickly ashore. Instead, I linger, gliding
deliriously through a luscious, liquid dream world...
Robert: What other experiences do you find yourself seeking in the lucid
dream environment?
Keelin: Dreams that deal with Death captivate me. Perhaps because the early
dreams about my father were so positive, they hold more fascination than
fear. Years ago, when a very dear friend died suddenly, I had a wonderful
dream about him that sparked my curiosity about other people's experiences
in this area. So I began collecting dream reports, placing ads in various
journals with the intention of publishing an anthology. To make a long story
short, I ended up offering a collection of nearly 200 dream accounts to Dr.
Patty Garfield, which she graciously accepted and was then able to use for
her excellent book The Dream Messenger: How Dreams of the Departed Bring
Healing Gifts. Unfortunately, since I'd forgotten to insert copies of my own
dreams into the collection, those dreams that had inspired my initial
endeavor were not included in Garfield's book, but the bigger goal was
certainly accomplished.
There are times when I head to bed with a very specific goal in mind, and
other times when the intent is to go with the flow and just be open or to
spontaneously choose a goal that fits the present scenario. For example, at
the end of a very long lucid dream, I suddenly decided to reflect on my
parents love for each other. Over the past couple of years, my mother who is
still living but not in good health, has repeatedly expressed her desire to
die. This is never easy for me to hear, but this dream helped me hear her
feelings with better understanding:
....I reflect on my mother's yearning to reunite with my father and
experience a strong surge of empathy. I wonder if staying with this feeling,
regardless of the emotional pain, might somehow nurture compassion or bring
an understanding of her desire to die. The lyrics of a familiar song begin
to echo in my head: "The shadow in the mist could have been anyone, but I
saw you, I saw you, coming back to me." I am filled with a deep and profound
sorrow and even though I know I can change this scene, I feel there is
something truly meaningful and auspicious here, so choose willingly to
remain and open my heart fully to it. After a few moments in which the song
lyrics repeat several times, allow myself to wake, crying, but deeply
pleased to have had this experience.
While dreams of the deceased hold a particular fascination for me, I've also
had a longtime interest in lucid dreams that employ specifically directed
healing imagery. When you consider that, as far as the brain is concerned,
dreaming of doing something is actually equivalent to doing it, there is
tremendous potential there. I've used my ability to have lucid dreams at
will several times over the years to promote healing, and always, these
experiences have left me feeling self-empowered and calmed.
Robert: Using lucid dreams as a means to create physical healing has been
explored by lucid dreamers like Ed Kellogg and others. Have you ever used
lucid dreaming to improve your health?
Keelin: Last year, I was having a serious health concern with out-of-control
menstrual bleeding. My doctor had hoped that the d&c which had finally been
unavoidable would carry me through till menopause, but alas, the problem
recurred and hysterectomy was on the horizon. I'd been having amazing
non-dreams about the issue (e.g., trying to keep my balance on bright red
motorbike with the fuel gage reading empty; a tsunami of bruised blood with
wind-ripped, ragged pieces lofting above my head). When the final decision
was imminent, I had the following dream:
Sitting on the couch in the living room of my home, I'm braiding the left
half of my hair, which I suddenly notice is longer and thicker than it is in
waking reality. This cues lucidity and I feel the familiar, chilly
vibrations that often accompany the onset of dream awareness. I remain calm,
thinking I can always spin to prolong the dream state, but I'd rather not
risk the possibility of landing in a new scene, and I don't want to become
distracted from my pre-intended goal of directing healing energy to my body.
I decide that continuing to braid my hair will keep me well enough engaged
in the dream, so complete the left side and begin with the right. When I'm
almost finished braiding my hair, the dream feels stable enough to get on
with my goal.
Touching my face with both hands, I marvel at the realistic sensation, the
lack of distortion. Lightly I stroke the tip of my nose where I'd found an
area of concern recently (referring to skin cancer), feel it smooth and
healthy. This is a spontaneous gesture (not part of my original plan) as is
my next action. Gently I insert my fingers directly into the center of my
chest. There is no pain or blood, only the sensation of the pressure of my
fingers moving slowly into my body without resistance. I touch my heart
while holding in mind thoughts of healing and serenity. After a few moments,
I remove my fingers and then insert them into my uterus (the original plan).
Again, there is no uncomfortable sensation, no resistance, just an awareness
of an extraordinary freedom to perform this feat so easily in a dream. While
placing my fingers and palms against the uterine wall, I hold a thought I've
had on several occasions both in and out of dreamland -- there is healing in
my hands! Other than this exact phrase, I have no other word thoughts, but
instead, a spreading becalming sense that accompanies my touch. I wake
peacefully, in rapt wonder.
Without scientific data, there's no way to prove that this dream had any
physical effect, however, the bleeding did stop, and it's not gotten out of
hand since then. As I once wrote to Stephen LaBerge, "...and so I'm left to
wonder. Or am I right to wonder?" To which he promptly replied, "It's a
wonder we don't wonder all the time!"
Robert: For the last few years, you have teamed up with Dr. Stephen LaBerge
at his Dreaming and Awakening Retreats in Hawaii. How did you get involved
in that?
Keelin: In June 1988, I was very fortunate to participate in a workshop
offered by Dr. Fariba Bogzaran who, at that time, was exploring the topic of
seeking the divine through lucid dreaming. She invited the class to
contribute to her research, requesting that we ask a question of our own
wording regarding the divine during a lucid dream. The dream I had in
response to her instruction happened to occur on the night before she Dr.
Stephen LaBerge appeared as a guest speaker in the class. So not only was
the lucid dream profoundly moving for me (it begins chapter twelve in
Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming), it also led to my meeting Stephen,
to my subsequent involvement with The Lucidity Institute, and eventually to
teaching workshops. (Thanks, Fariba!)
Coming to know Stephen has been one of the greatest joys of my life. His wit
and humor never cease to amaze me, and I am forever grateful for his deep
and caring friendship and for his sage advice. When he invited me as a guest
to attend the first "DreamCamp" (as we called it in the early days), I was
overjoyed. I'd moved to Portland, Oregon and felt every mile between the Bay
Area and my new home in the Pacific North Wet, especially missing TLI's
Oneironaut Research Group and the Bay Area Dreamworkers with whom I'd been
so actively engaged. Soon afterward, Stephen me hooked up to the Internet,
we launched the Forum discussion site, and one thing just seemed to lead to
another. The Dreaming and Awakening retreats are the highlight of my current
involvement in the lucid dream community. We've been offering them once or
twice a year since 1995 and so far, I've only missed one retreat -- but I
dreamt about being there!
I am alone, hurrying towards the interior stairway of a small building that
leads to the first floor when my clothes snag on the wooden banister and I
am flung abruptly into a horizontal position. There I remain as if frozen in
flight, hoping some of the participants of the Dreaming and Awakening
retreat will pass by. I plan to ask them if I am offering a good opportunity
for a reality check. Stephen peeks around a corner and smiles at my antics,
apparently not finding my behavior odd in the least. But when no one else
ventures by, I attempt to untangle myself. That's when I notice the extra
set of legs. (Thank Odd!) I'm delighted and amused as the situation suddenly
becomes clear -- This is a dream! I wander into a room around the corner
which turns out to be filled with curiosities. A few moments later, I
awaken.
Robert: Any interesting lucid dreams about the retreats that you'd like to
share?
Keelin: Often, prior to the retreats, I'll have a series of anxiety dreams.
Since I handle a lot of the organizational tasks in preparation for the
program, there's a lot of room for little daytime worries to sprout into
nightmares. I'm always grateful when I become lucid in these dreams, but
sometimes they catch me off-guard. In one dream, I absolutely panicked when
people just kept arriving -- a huge crowd of oneironauts -- where would they
all sleep? But more often, the dreams feature me explaining how to do a
reality check:
"Do you see how that clock's numbers are all odd?" I ask them. "How odd?" my
dream characters chime in . . . .
Robert: At the lucid dreaming camp, I imagine that you have all levels of
dreamers from those who are experienced lucid dreamers to those who have had
maybe one or two. Does that seem difficult to deal with? Which group do you
prefer?
Keelin: What matters more than experience is attitude. Most people who are
willing to take the time and make the financial effort to be there, usually
have a high degree of motivation and come with an openness toward the whole
experience. They come to learn new skills or to refine the ones they've been
developing, to gain a broader understanding of all things lucid from science
to self-integration. They come to share their personal dream experiences, to
learn from each other, for moral support, and for practical lessons in
navigation. Stephen is a dynamic and animated presenter -- that's no
surprise. But what they can never anticipate is the effect of the group
experience. There is truly something magical about spending several days and
nights with people who share your passion for lucid dreaming! Each group is
different, of course. Each participant is like a unique spice. Blended
together, they create a delicious "oneironautical soup" that is never the
same twice.
It's not surprising to find that most of the people who attend these
programs are introverts. And therein lies the challenge for us as presenters
and facilitators. Some groups do better at opening up and sharing their
dreams, and these are the ones that seem to have the most fun. In only a
couple of days, they begin to dream about their fellow participants in the
program and that's when the dream sharing in the morning sessions can become
absolutely hilarious and form the lasting memories that keep us wanting to
stay connected.
Robert: When you look back over your life, how has lucid dreaming affected
it? Has it altered your perspective? Given you a viewpoint that you might
have otherwise ignored?
Keelin: I feel deeply that one of the greatest benefits that learning to
lucid dream offers is a better understanding about self-potential. If we
learn to recognize how emotionally provocative situations (as frustrating,
infuriating or confounding as they may be) actually provide opportunities to
practice lucid living, we stand to gain much in the way of personal growth
and flexibility in problem solving skills. In the mood of the moment, it's
all too easy to get swept up in the drama of circumstance, which can result
in feelings of overwhelm, awkwardness, and powerlessness.
The key to remember is that lucidity is simply awareness, and that
regardless of whether we are awake or a-dream, we can never have complete
control over our environment or the "characters" around us. What we can
control, however, is how we respond to that environment and to our
companions. In other words, when it comes to response, we never lose our
power to choose!
Realization of this fact can be very empowering as it leads to understanding
that we have the choice of contributing either serenity or chaos to any
given situation. And when we live with this type of awareness, we can't help
but acknowledge our participation and responsibility as co-creators of this
dream we call waking life.
It's also easy to see how this philosophy can have a direct and profound
effect on our sense of compassion. Consider what might happen if we all
learned to say, "This situation is disturbing to me, so what is the most
mindful, heartful, and facilitating response I can make at this point?"
Easier said than done, of course, and I'll admit I find myself, more often
than not, a common creature of mindless habit. Yet in those rare moments
when I've managed to free myself from the unconscious undertow of habitual
reaction, I feel the same sweet rush as I've experienced at the onset of
lucidity in a dream - because that's what I'm experiencing: Awareness!
Robert: How true. Becoming more "aware" or "lucid" about our waking
situation really enables us to feel the range of possible creative
responses. But how do you use lucid dreaming in a practical way to move
towards lucid living?
Keelin: In a lucid dream, knowing that what we're experiencing is but a
mental model of the world allows us to see, in dramatic fashion, how
desires, fears and expectation manifest immediately to form the scene and
the characters with whom "we" interact. And when I view my dream companions
as aspects of my Self (after all, who's mind is conjuring them?), I tend to
treat them with more compassion and a greater sense of humor than if I label
them as "others". I'm sure you can imagine the effect of this attitude if
carried over into waking life, where again what we desire, fear and expect
has a strong influence on the waking dream as it unfolds around us.
Situations that push our emotional buttons are common in both waking and
dreaming, which means we have lots of opportunities to feel the nudge to "go
lucid". And even when we miss or ignore those nudges (in either realm), it's
still possible to learn from the experience. By reviewing these situations
in a becalmed mood, we can mentally rehearse how we'd prefer to handle the
next challenging occasion.
Robert: So Keelin, are there any new challenges ahead for you in lucid
dreaming?
Keelin: When I first began working on developing my ability to lucid dream
at will, I adopted the usual mantra: Am I dreaming? Now, I find that I'm
less concerned with which realm I happen to be in, and the question has
shifted to: Am I aware?
I could go on, but I am putting myself to sleep! Let me just say in closing,
that I am grateful beyond words for the lucid dreams I've experienced, for
their heart-expanding power and their incredible ability to move me to such
depths of sorrow and such heights of joy, and for the countless moments of
light and laughter that knowing I am dancing in the Land of Odd has brought.
And I'm grateful to you as well, Robert and Lucy, for this opportunity to
share some of these treasured experiences with your readers. I send a wish
for blissful dreams to all!
Robert: Thanks Keelin! Get some sleep, shift your awareness and return to
the Land of Odd!
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Dream Meaning 101
Linda L. Magallón
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Ah, dream dictionaries! How very popular they are. Short, quick mind bites,
easy to digest. Don't bother your brain too much; keep you in your comfort
zone. Faster than a cup of coffee. But more powerful than a locomotive? I
doubt it. They're not very lasting or nutritious, that's for sure. How
quickly we forget what we've just read. Now, do you really want an instant
answer, a quick and dirty interpretation? Okay, here's one.
Flying means Freedom.
That, and 50 cents, won't buy you a mug of Java. It's an off-the-cuff
response that doesn't answer a whole host of questions, like, what do you
mean by freedom? Freedom from what? Freedom for what? If I see a flying cow
in my dream, does that mean free milk? Good, I like Latte.
Here's the most important question. Does this interpretation of flying have
anything to do with *my* dream? The dream I had last night? If "freedom"
were the only possible answer, then I'd say sure, of course. But it's not.
Even the simplest of dream dictionaries present other possibilities:
ambition, the desire to avoid responsibility, the capacity to make changes,
a wish for magical solutions, free love, perverse sexuality, haughtiness, a
union of spirit and matter.
In other words, you order it, we got it to go. That's but a few of the
latest ideas on the fast food menu. I hunger for something more substantial.
Symbolic Meanings From the Past
I'd like to be able to tell you that, to comprehend the complexities of
dream meaning, all you need do is surf the Internet. Unfortunately, much of
the web is still enchanted with the instant answer. For a deeper
understanding, we must go off-line and back to books. When I began to
research dreams, I went to my alma mater and asked if I could use their
library. They said, sure, for a nice fat fee. I declined the offer and
returned to my public branch. Interlibrary loan costs a lot less, and I
still get the copies I'm looking for.
I was fortunate to become friends with Jill Gregory, whose passion for dream
books led her to create the Dream Library and Archive. By the time it closed
its doors in 2003, it had upwards of 1200 volumes, plus innumerable papers,
magazines, videos, audio tapes, scientific journals and a few master's
theses. Jill and I would go book shopping in the used book stores, since so
many out-of-print dream books can be found there. I revived the dream and
psi sections in my local used book shop, gathering books that were scattered
about into one place. Even in a well-organized store, dream books can be
found in other than the dream section. Science, fine art and literature will
have non-fiction tomes. Out-of-body experiences are likely to be in another
part of the store, probably near psychic phenomena.
If you're serious about doing a search for answers about dreams, I'd keep
fictional accounts to a minimum. I found sci fi, fantasy, myths and folk
tales to be fascinating reading, but, unfortunately, their descriptions of
dreams, OBEs and psi contribute to a very common Kryptonite Factor. If your
experience doesn't match what you've read, you might ignore and devalue it,
or consider yourself a failure for not achieving the promised goal.
Fictional and physical experience are not the same. Fiction's driving force
is to tell a story -- something that will grab your attention and hold it.
Everything is smoothed down to make a swiftly flowing tale. Wouldn't it be
nice if life and sleeping dreams really worked that way? But they tend to be
multibranched and churn up eddies at their edges.
I discovered that flying dreams have been around for a very long time. As
soon as humans learned to scribble, they were writing about dreams, on wood,
clay and papyrus. This was the genesis of the dream book and the dream
dictionary. Meanings became as fixed as the glyphs on a tablet or the
letters on a page. From these sources we know for sure. Even at the dawn of
history, people were having flying dreams.
Egyptian
During Egypt's XIIIth dynasty (1786-1633 B. C.), priests of the god Horus
inscribed a discourse about dreams on papyri. Some fragments of it still
survive. One of them, the Chester Beatty Papyrus, contains records of 200
dreams and their interpretations. It characterizes dreams with only two
simple choices. They are either "good" or "bad."
*** Falling is good. It means prosperity.
*** Folding wings about yourself is bad. It means you are not found
innocent with your "lower level god."
These early Egyptian examples used a prevailing technique called
"explanation by opposites." For most people, falling is bad and flying feels
good. Thus, the interpretations are the reverse of what one might normally
think the dream would mean.
Much later, Achmet of Byzantium (900 A. D.) wrote that both Egyptians and
Persians thought flying indicated a superior political position. Flying like
a bird meant high admiration, rank and honor. Such dreams were interpreted
like omens. They were considered to be prophetic of future events.
*** When a simple man dreams that an eagle carries him on its back while
flying skyward, he will surely become emperor.
*** When an emperor dreams he flies among the stars, he will exceed other
rulers.
Chinese
A 9th century A. D. Chinese manuscript found at Tun Huang describes the
dream book of the Duke of Chou (1200 B. C.). An excerpt on "heavenly bodies
and phenomena" has a meaning very similar to the Egyptian and Persian.
*** Ascending to the sky means the birth of a noble child.
For common folk, the book has been nicknamed "Old Mr. Chou's Book of Lucky
and Unlucky Dreams." Fortunately, flight is on the positive side of the
good-or-bad ledger.
*** Flying to heaven indicates good luck.
Indian
The Atharva Veda (1400-900 B. C.) has a "Treatise on Dreams" which again
separates dreams into favorable and unfavorable categories. In the 68th
Parachista, sexual symbolism is emphasized.
*** Birds taking to flight foretell the conquest of a woman.
The Hindus were the first to place dreams into an astrological context and
link their content to human personality types. At the time they recognized
only three temperaments: bilious, or fire signs; phlegmatic, or water signs;
and sanguine, or aerial signs. (Medieval alchemists added melancholy, or
earth signs, to form the Western four). According to the 6th Parachista of
the "Treatise," men of sanguine temperament dream of clouds, wind and the
flocks of migrant birds. What women and children dream of, we don't know.
Early books were often written for men, only.
Achmet of Byzantium described another sort of Indian system, that linked
dreams with the measurement of time and space.
*** To fly straight up indicates damages and quick end. Flying through
heaven means you will die soon.
*** Flying from place to place means traveling and making money. The
distance of the flight corresponds to the distance of travel. The money is
in proportion to the height at which you are flying.
Mesopotamian
Akkadian cuneiform tablets taken from the Royal Archives of Assurbanipal
(668-627 B. C.) contain a long series of dream ideas from an even earlier
period of Mesopotamian history. The Akkadians made succinct use of
"explanation by opposites."
*** If a man ascends to heaven and the gods bless him, this man will die.
*** If a man ascends to heaven and the gods curse him, this man will live
long.
The Akkadians were well aware that dreams could occur again and again. They
interpreted those repeating dreams, too.
*** If a man takes wing on several occasions, he will lose everything he
possesses.
These dream omens read like the Akkadian law codes: if such and such happens
or is observed, then a certain consequence will follow.
*** If a man has wings and flies hither and thither, and, on descending, is
unable to fly up again, his foundation with be unstable.
*** If a man flies hither and thither, then disappears but appears again,
distress.
*** If a man leaps and takes wing once: for an important person, happiness.
For the serf, the end of his misfortunes. If he is imprisoned, he will be
freed. If he is ill, he will be cured.
Any bad luck portended was not inevitable, though. A variety of purification
rituals, as well as other means of averting unwelcome predictions, existed.
Roman
Artemidorus of Daldianus, (150-200 A. D.) was a dream interpreter who lived
in Roman Asia, now Turkey. Given the variety of people he mentions in his
Oneirocritica (The Discernment of Dreams), Artemidorus must have had quite a
wide clientele.
*** To ride an eagle portends death for kings, rich men, and noblemen.
*** Flying with the birds is inauspicious for criminals since it signifies
punishment for wrong doers and frequently even crucifixion.
*** If a slave dreams that he is flying in the house of his master, it
means good luck, for he will surpass many in his house. But if he is flying
outside the house, he will leave the house as a dead man after days of
health and happiness, if he has gone out through the courtyard. If he has
gone through the gate-house, he will be sold. If he has gone through a
window, he will leave the house by running away.
Several of Artemidorus's explanations comment on the position of the dreamt
body during flight. For instance, he believed that the dream in which one
sees oneself flying head downwards was to be feared.
*** Flying while one is seated on a sedan chair, a seat, a couch, or
anything similar signifies that one will be stricken with a grave illness,
be paralyzed or no longer have the use of one's legs.
*** A sick man will die in whatever position he dreams that he is flying.
Artemidorus didn't just state the symbolic interpretation, like his less
loquacious forefathers. He tried to provide some explanation behind it.
*** Flying indicates that those who wish to hide and conceal themselves
will be discovered. For everything in the sky is clear and easily visible to
everyone.
*** The dream signifies that those who ply a sedentary trade will abandon
their occupation so that they may move about more easily and, since they are
flying, they will no longer remain at their benches.
*** Flying with wings is auspicious for all men alike, the dream signifies
freedom for slaves, since all birds that fly are without a master and have
no one above them, it means that the poor will acquire a great deal of
money, for just as money raises men up, wings raise birds up. It signifies
offices for the rich and very influential, for just as the creatures of the
air are above those that crawl upon the earth rulers are above private
citizens.
Artemidorus advised the dreamer that, after high flights, he should return
to the ground easily and wake up immediately after landing. It seems he
realized that flying dreams could be controlled.
*** It is unlucky to wish to be able to fly but not to be able to do so.
But it is best of all to fly at will (wishing to soar above) and to stop at
will. For it foretells great ease and skill in one's business affairs.
Astrampsychus, another dream interpreter from the Roman period, returned to
the good-or-bad dichotomy in his Oracles.
*** It is good to fly, for it is the sign of an honorable deed.
*** Falling from a precipice is an evil omen.
Tibet
During the 9th century, the canonical works of Tibetan Buddhism were
compiled in two large collections, the Kangyur and the Tangyur. The volumes
of the Kangyur, or Ratnakuuta Sutra, contain teachings that have been
ascribed to the historical Buddha. The text lists 108 auspicious dream
images that appear to one who is pursuing the Bodhisattva path. Again, we
have "explanations by opposites."
*** Falling from a precipice is auspicious.
One ritual from the Tangyur is entitled Milam Tagpa, or The Examination of
Dreams. It is a set of procedures for obtaining two kinds of dreams: one
that will generate thoughts of enlightenment and another that will bestow
empowerments.
*** Going in the sky and floating there and using the sun and moon as
ornaments predicts becoming one who is worthy of offerings by all.
Across The Globe
As we have seen, flying dreams been found down through history. They've also
been discovered around the world. Here's just a few examples from native
peoples.
Sierra Leone - Kuranko
*** Flying like a bird signifies happiness and prosperity.
American Southwest - Tachini Navaho
*** If you dream you are flying, you are "under the sickness" that will be
helped by the Star Chant.
Central Africa
*** Flying dreams mean long life and good health.
Nepal - Yomo Sherpa
*** Dreaming of an airplane indicates that one will soon fall ill.
Pacifica - Coastal Solomon Islanders
*** Dreams of flying mean success.
A Summary of Findings
According to some of the interpretations, both historical and world-wide,
flying implies problems, injuries, even fatality. But are they true? True
for us? And how could we find out? Unfortunately, we can't interview the
interpreters or the dreamers to get further information. Most of them are
long dead. Comparisons among the choices can be made, though. Some of these
meanings clearly contradict one another. It's obvious that there has been no
universal consensus on what flying means. The facts just don't support it.
How many meanings of flying dreams did I discover in my research? Hundreds.
And this is just for one symbol! I haven't yet mentioned the popular
theories of the past two centuries. Think of the many different sorts of
dreams we can have, each with their multitude of interpretation
possibilities. It's an information glut. How can we make any sense of it
all? One common suggestion is to select what you like and forget the rest.
If I were to use that standard, I'd pick, as my favorite, this Japanese
proverb.
*** "Dreams and falcons are what you make of them."
Or course, that puts us right back where we started: in the reach of the
instant answer. For extraordinary dreams, that's not enough.
References
-Allen, Edward Frank. The Complete Dream Book. New York: Paperback Library,
1967.
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Books, 1975.
-de Becker, Raymond. The Understanding of Dreams. New York: Hawthorn, 1968.
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-Dentan, Robert Knox & Laura J. McClusky. "Pity the Bones by Wandering River
Which Still in -Lovers' Dreams Appear as Men." In The Functions of Dreaming,
Alan Moffitt, Melton Kramer, Robert Hoffmann, eds. Albany, NY: SUNY Press,
1993, 489 -548.
-Holzer, Hans. The Psychic Side of Dreams. St. Paul, MN: Llewellyn, 1992.
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Press, 1935.
-Oates, Joan. Babylon. NY: Thames and Hudson Inc., 1994.
-Psychic Voyages. (Editors of Time-Life.) Alexandria, VA: Time-Life Books,
1987.
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Press, 1952.
-Tedlock, Barbara. "The New Anthropology of Dreaming," Dreaming, 1/2 (1991),
161-169.
-Traditional Dream Interpretation Search CD (Original Books, Inc., 1999).
-Van de Castle, Robert L. Our Dreaming Mind. New York: Ballantine Books,
1994.
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MacMillan, 1974.
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23-42.
http://members.aol.com/caseyflyer/flying/dreams.html
(Dream Flights)
© 2004 Linda Lane Magallón
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THE VIEW FROM THE BRIDGE
DaFuMu Meets Dream In to Create Psi Dream Event
November 2004
Jean Campbell
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In the past months, those familiar with The World Dreams Peace Bridge have
become acquainted with the term DaFuMu dreaming, a word created from the
marriage of Japanese and Chinese, indicating the focused type of group
dreaming done on the Peace Bridge (See
http://worlddreamspeacebridge.org/dafumu.htm for more.).
On November 16, 2004, members of the Peace Bridge discussion group were very
concerned for Emad Hadi, the young university professor who is director of
Seasons Art School in Baghdad, Iraq. The group has adopted the school as a
fundraising project and has become close with the staff and students there.
In the week before November 16, Emad Hadi's best friend was killed. The
despairing note Emad sent to Ilkin had touched the hearts of all of us. We
agreed to DaFuMu for Emad, a dream of great good fortune.
On that same night, the International Association for the Study of Dreams
held its annual Dream In, a kickoff for the organization's Pledge Campaign.
Dreamers are asked to dream together for the future of that organization.
Now, several members of IASD are also members of the World Dreams Peace
Bridge--but not Olivia.
>From Devon, England, Olivia is a recent addition to the IASD dreaming
family, who has been slowly sampling the offerings of the largest dream
organization in the world. She has hung out on the IASD online Bulletin
Board, participated in the PsiberDreaming conference, joined the Psi
Dreaming discussion group, but never joined the Peace Bridge. In fact, she
had recently expressed some concern that her dreaming self might be more
"invasive" than other dreamers would like.
On the night of November 16, Olivia got a firsthand experience of shared
dreaming. And rather than criticize her for being invasive, members of the
Peace Bridge welcomed her with open arms.
The dream that Olivia dreamed when she fell asleep on November 16 was
intended (by her waking mind) to be a dream for the IASD Dream In. Instead,
while asleep and lucid, she dreamed of Ilkin, who she knew from the
PsiDreaming group and Harry Bosma's Psi Angels. She dreamed about an article
in a newspaper about someone Ilkin knew, a dark young man who was in danger.
The article in Olivia's dream said this young man had many dangerous choices
and could be aided by a reading from the I Ching, the Chinese book of
changes.
Awake again, Olivia sent her strange Dream In dream to Ilkin, who
immediately recognized the subject of the newspaper article in Olivia's
dream as Emad.
Needless to say, many things happened as a result of this dream--more, in
fact, than can be described in a single, brief article. So let me highlight
a few of the results:
* When Ilkin mentioned the e-mail from Olivia to Emad, he not only said
to her, "Your concern is like medicine to me," but said he had also dreamed
about Ilkin that night and would send the dream.
* Because, as a Moslem during Ramadan in the middle of a war, Emad
probably would not throw the I Ching, I asked Peace Bridge member May Tung,
who often uses the I Ching from her native China, if she would do a reading
for Emad. The reading was profoundly transformative.
* Olivia joined the Peace Bridge--with the result that Joy remarked, "I
thought you had been here all along."
And finally, interestingly enough, when I mentioned to the World Dreams
discussion group that I felt like my DaFuMu dreaming with the group had been
like "stretching my dreaming muscles," that I felt like I was being more
lucid and making more contact with other people in my dreams in general than
I had before we began dreaming this way, I discovered that several people
agreed with me, enough so that we have decided to do a DaFuMu dreaming for
World Peace on the same day of each month, in addition to whatever other
shared events we might decide on. (More about this in next month's View.)
So the process goes on, utilizing contacts in both waking life and sleeping
life to expand on a world view in which all world citizens can become
acquainted. Two dreams from the younger generation round out this remarkable
set of dreams and intuitive experiences.
When World Dreams web designer, Liz Diaz, received the fund raising greeting
cards several Peace Bridge members plan to send out for Seasons Art School,
she showed her son Michael the photo of the little Iraqi boy with his bear
that is on the cards.
Michael, that generous boy who just turned eight, had the following dream:
"There was a huge snow storm coming soon, and he and his brother had to go
to 7/11 to stock up--Julian got a lot of candy; Grandma got a lot of food;
and Michael won the lotto and got rolls of money in $1,000 bills. He told
his mother he was going to give the money to her to send to the children in
Iraq."
Later, Nick Cumbo, who is just finishing final exams for his college year
and looking forward to summer in Australia, dreamed lucidly:
"I found myself in a place I knew to be Iraq. A bomb raid seemed to be
occurring. I felt scared and terrified by the reality of what an ordinary
Iraqi must experience. I remember walking around. There were many security
guards, and it was threatening them, my even being there."
Nick commented: "I woke with a much deeper understanding of what must go on.
Of course, this only happened for a few moments. I can't imagine what living
there would be like. I now feel a compassion which is more alive in its
passion. Which is nothing to be congratulated for. It simply allows me to
recognize that fear and pain more deeply, and to work, from afar, on
transforming it."
The World Dreams Peace bridge is open to all people who dream of world
peace:
http://www.worlddreamspeacebridge.org or discussion group:
worlddreams-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
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Revisiting the Senoi Dream Theory:
The Bad Logic of Sir G. William Domhoff
by Strephon Kaplan-Williams
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I just came across an article by G. William Domhoff: DO SENOI PRACTICE
"SENOI DREAM THEORY?" by G. William Domhoff.
http://www.asdreams.org/magazine/articles/domhoff01.htm
He starts his article off with the following:
Jeremy Taylor is seriously misinformed about everything he says concerning
the Temiar and Semai peoples who are collectively called "Senoi" by us, so I
am pleased to have this opportunity to set the record straight.
I say, what arrogance!
Number one is to assume that he, Domhoff, is right on his assertions. Number
two to make a personal attack in public on the web and representing an
international organization, which I helped found, whose purpose and mission
statement makes clear to include many points of view on dreams.
Domhoff goes on to make a list of points to counter what Jeremy Taylor wrote
before about the Senoi. Some of these points may have some truth to them but
to assert that Domhoff can set the record straight by his logic alone and
without a thorough investigation by committee and review board and so on is
the height of arrogance as I experience him.
First Domhoff fallacy: Because I assert forcefully something as true it is
true. And to quote him:
"Sixth, it is romantic to talk about Senoi as "ranging freely" in the
highlands of Malaysia ..."
Serious though these errors are, they are not directly relevant to the issue
that concerns dream researchers: did Senoi once use "Senoi dream theory" and
then abandon it or hide it due to cultural disruption? For that issue the
following points are critical:
Domhoff wants to prove that assertions about the Senoi originally made by
Kilton Stewart are false. It's all in his little book which he never tires
of pushing as the authority on the subject.
The second great Domhoff fallacy is trying to build a case based on false
premises. One false premise is that latter observers, which he sometimes
quotes, as if they are reliable and Stewart isn’t, can tell us factually
what the Senoi were like in the 1930's that Stewart Describes.
The third Domhoff fallacy is that his witnesses described are infallible
evidence for his position, that they are truly experts, when they are not
proven by him to be. Again, the fallacy of truth by assertion, not fact, and
not objective evaluation.
Domhoff here:
Come on. Nothing hinges on this one alleged dream or on why the captive
allegedly heard about it. The weight of the evidence is so overwhelming
against any unique " Senoi dream theory" that an anecdote like this recalled
many years after the event by a frightened man hoping to escape imprisonment
has no standing whatsoever. Taylor is in fact grasping at straws instead of
adopting the scientific attitude that is necessary here.
Domhoff attacks the man, makes exaggerated assertions, does everything to
assert that he is absolutely right here. there are a number of examples in
his article like this.
The forth great Domhoff fallacy is that of argumentum ad Hominum, you attack
the person because you cannot sustain a convincing argument against the the
person's statements.
Notice here how Domhoff again attacks the person:
Everyone's foibles aside, it is a mystery to me why anyone would want to
continue to insist that Senoi practice "Senoi dream theory" if Taylor,
Patricia Garfield, and a few others really can control their dreams through
Stewart's techniques.
Yes, says Domhoff, all these people I attack have foibles, with no mention
of his own, but again his arrogance to assert that somehow he has the right
and knowledge to judge Taylor and Garfield here. Again, the fallacy of
asserting truth by assertion, that because he is right they are wrong, as if
"proving" them "wrong" makes him "right."
Domhoff loves to attack, it seems. His is an attacking position, not a
positive one of giving facts himself for a position, any position. Domhoff
does not have a position, like the bitter alcoholic who is angry at everyone
but himself for his condition.
The fifth great Domhoff fallacy is that he assumes that he has proven
statements false that in this case Jeremy Taylor has made and that then the
major Senoi premise that as a tribe, and not just as individuals, they
worked with their dreams. If you can eliminate a few of the pieces of a pie
you then assume you have eliminated the whole pie. This is fallacious
reasoning.
There are two kinds of scientific or Judicial proving. One is that a thing
does not exist until proven that it does exist. The second is that something
exists until it is proven that it does not exist.
Domhoff twists his logic here. He assumes that the Senoi did group dreamwork
is a truth assertion that he has proven false. I point out why his arguments
are weak here because of all the thinking fallacies he engages in. He also
tries to assert that more proof than Stewart is needed before he will
believe the truth of what Stewart asserted. Since he thinks he has proven
Stewart false he then states that others have to prove the Stewart and
Taylor assertion true.
Something is not true until you convincingly prove it is true. If you cannot
prove convincingly that it is true, then it is false.
Let me give an example from American and Dutch law. In America I can be
taken to court if someone can prove that I have married two wives without
divorce of one of them so that I am a bigamist. In the Netherlands they have
also a law against bigamy but because of this law they need proof that you
are not a bigamist. To get married in the Netherlands I have to have
official, stamped statements from the governments of the countries I have
lived in that show I am not listed as being married in any of those
countries. They assume that I may be a bigamist and I have to prove in order
to marry that I am not a bigamist.
Nice. So Domhoff loves to attack by disproving ancillary statements that
then are supposed to disprove the main or core statement. He cannot prove
that the Senoi did not do community dreamwork at the time described so he
tries to prove that because the Senoi years later did not seem to do
community dreamwork that he has won his case, but he can give no evidence
that comes from the time the main premise is about.
Ah, Domhoff, if you could only think, what a great Caesar you would have
been!
Can you convict someone of murder twenty years ago when the witnesses are
dead or now inaccurate? Only if you have inconvertible evidence from the
time such as recent DNA findings from the time of the murder.
Domhoff can find no evidence from the 1930's Senoi to counter the Stewart
claim that they did community dreamwork.
So he engages in still another Domhoff fallacy. It is the attack on thin
air, or straw man fallacy. In this fallacy you set up a bogus issue and try
to convince people it is the real issue. So then you attack the bogus issue
that makes your arguments sound convincing and unthinking people fall for
your bogus arguments.
When Jeremy Taylor holds with Kilton Stewart that the Senoi practiced
community dreamwork in the 1930's then how can the Kilton Stewart statement
be attacked from evidence in the 1950's or later. It can't but Domhoff acts
like it can and asserts that he is attacking the real issue.
Taylor has a right to hold with any observer. If he picks Stewart over later
observers then he has a right to do so, unless you have compelling evidence
from Stewart's time to contradict Stewart.
Domhoff uses spurious little arguments to try and reinforce his bogus
attack, like stating that Stewart was only there a few weeks. I don't care
if Stewart sat on the toilet only once, he still has left evidence of his
presence. So another example of the fallacy of bogus argument.
The last seventh obvious Domhoff fallacy is the assumption that Domhoff can
argue convincingly that ten little arguments or so will add up to one
convincing big argument. This is simply not true. You cannot convince me the
world is flat because ten, even one hundred people, tell me today they see
the world as flat because their eyes tell them so. Yet the whole world
seemed to see the world as flat at one time in history, and they were all
wrong!
So Domhoff, take a powder. Polish your nose. Get the shine off your logic.
Quit fighting windmills. Try and come up with some great positive results
about dreams and dreaming that you created yourself.
Use your logic to create and not destroy.
Strephon Kaplan-Williams
Domhoff article:
DO SENOI PRACTICE "SENOI DREAM THEORY?" G. William Domhoff
http://www.asdreams.org/magazine/articles/domhoff01.htm
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Dream: Dreams of the Dead
Stan Kulikowski II
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DATE : 19 nov 2004 10:15
DREAM : dreams of the dead
=( last night was a thursday. i spent much of the evening starting the
preliminary web site evaluations for my courses this term on web design.
this is a long process which is my main teaching labor for the semester. i
managed to get about ten projects evaluated before i had to quit with
discomfort from my still not controlled diabetic condition. for the last
month or so, mother and i have been watching through the DVD series of buffy
the vampire slayer. this week we started season six. around midnight i went
to bed, but could not get sleep until just after 04:00, a lot of tossing and
turning but i want to avoid using sleeping pills whenever possible. )=
with a small shovel i am digging in the dirt. not too deep, just well down
into the earth and rather a long way from the opening. i have been doing
this for some time so i have advanced pretty far under the ground.
the blade of my shovel hits something hard and by the light of my flashlight
i can see a bright crystal tumble down from the earthen wall. this is what i
have been digging for. i reach for the jewel with my bare hand which is a
mistake that i had been warned against, but in the excitement of the moment,
i have forgotten the precaution of skin contact with the gemstone. there is
a small electric tingle when i first touch it. the white jewel is about the
size and shape of a golf ball but the crystalline facets are irregular, not
the hexagonal faces of quartz.
once i get a secure grip on the crystal, i feel the earth around me begin to
tremble and collapse. i am trapped under tons of soft soil that quickly
squeezes me until i can not breathe. at first i panic and try to squirm out
through the dirt like i was swimming, but soon i can not move. there is a
hot sharp pain in my lungs as i choke for air but can neither exhale or
inhale. i keep a tight grip on the crystal but there is nothing else i can
do.
the pain does not last long. soon i manage to escape the frenzied panic and
with an odd twist, i pull myself away from my body and look back on it as
its struggling ceases. there are a few residual twitches as my body dies,
but i am now detached from that experience.
i am expecting either the tunnel of light or the hole of darkness to open
around me, but instead i become aware of a dim blue pulsing glow coming from
the crystal clutched in the hand of my body. i seem to be trapped with the
radius of this glow which at first is rather small but seems to get a little
larger with each of its irregular offbeat pulses. the soil is otherwise
dark, the flashlight smothered in the dirt, but each time the crystal flares
up, i can see my body cooling within the limits of the expanding influence
of the gemstone.
i understand this to be the state of worldnet1. if there were no other such
jewels, this blue glow would eventually expand to cover the entire planet. i
learn that i can move around a little in this space when the jewel flashes.
soon, however, i can see a few brighter green filaments come searching
through soil. eventually one of these attaches to the crystal clutched in my
dead hand. when this contact is made, the other filaments in the area move
off in other directions. this is worldnet2 phase. along these green
connections i can see blobs moving, some of which come down into my crystal
and collect in a sticky mass. in each of the blobs i can see a swirling pale
figure, sometimes taking the appearance of a face or some body part. these
are the dreams of the dead. they tend to collect like a shimmering cluster
of grapes, but once in a while one will depart and go back to traveling the
worldnet2 connections. i know that eventually i will learn how to send my
dreams out to wander the network of those who died holding one of these
stones.
there is a worldnet3 level which happens if my body is found by people from
above. the dreams of the living are comparatively powerful things which
quickly overwhelm the thin vapors which are the dreams of the dead. i dread
this happening and hope that i have covered my excavations well enough to
avoid any discovery of my entombment. finding and possessing a jewel of
dreams is a lifelong accomplishment which makes sense to me in the way that
the heaven or hell does not. the tunnel of light or the hole of darkness
suck our souls off into an alien place where there is never a return or
further communication. the worldnets at least allow us an eternity of
sharing the encapsulated dreams of our existence.
=( awake at 09:40, i turn on the bedside computer but it takes several tries
before the crappy windows operating system manages to get its files in
order. i suppose that this dream of dying and burial may be associated with
the buffy series i have been watching at night before going to sleep. the
beginning of season six has the slayer digging her way out of her grave
which is a graphic image of burial in the soil like i experienced here. this
does not strike me as a very profound stimulus source but i was interested
in the ending realizations about the traditional concepts of heaven and hell
as trapping our spiritual resources and removing them from our frame of
reference. )=
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Floating in the air, weightless and transparent, naked and walking down an
unrecognized street, falling off a cliff, a rolling earthquake, swarming
birds, a vortex-like thing opening in the middle of a street…what else could
it be? You got it – it’s another Dream section of Electric Dreams! Be sure
to read all of these dreams and more.
Dream title: Not cool
Dream date: 10-17-04
Dreamer name: anonymous
Dream text: I had a dream that I was a hooker and I walked into this place
with 3 bathrooms and a huge TV in it. Then I found the person I was looking
for and he was my pimp. He was Chinese.
Dream comments: It scared me.
Dream title: Earthquake
Dream date: 10-18/04
Dreamer name: Fb
Dream text: There was an enormous earthquake. I was walking with my friend T
when I felt it. No one else did at first, and then it got bigger and bigger.
It was a "rolling" quake, not a shaker. The ground started to split and we
all got into a car and tried to drive but the streets would rise up and
down. We were going everywhere and finally ending up crashing into a house.
After that, I was at an outdoor shower with bruises all over. My grandma was
there (she died last year). Every time I would turn the shower on, someone
would come by and turn it off. It goes on from there but my memory is
choppy. Oh, I do know that the earthquake happened in New Mexico and that's
why no one believed it was an earthquake at first.
Dream comments: none
Dream title: The Elevator and Bird Poop
Dream date: 10/17/04
Dreamer name: J
Dream text: In the beginning of the dream I was on the roof of a building
and I was going under some type of net thing that stood like a few inches
from the ground or cement. Someone with me scared the bird that is on the
net. All of a sudden, the birds go crazy, flying around all over the place.
So the people who were with me and I go under the net. The one bird comes
back and I want to scare it off, but the bird seems to attack me. All these
birds come swarming above us and they start pooping on us. The bird crap is
like hot wax and it comes off after it dries. But instead of it being hard,
it is soft and rubbery. I find myself going down some stairs. When I got
down to the floor that I wanted to go to, I go back to the elevator. I have
this weird feeling that someone is following me, right behind me. The
elevator door opens and I just turn back because I have an odd feeling. The
man coming toward me tells me not to do that; that I wasn’t going anywhere.
He said that I would just have keep my mouth shut and go with him. But I
screamed and pulled away from him. Next thing you know I wake up, but he
hadn’t let go of me when I did wake up.
Dream comments: I never finished the dream.
Dream title: untitled
Dream date: 2002
Dreamer name: sense
Dream text: I was walking down an unrecognized street; I was naked. A group
of people were walking toward me, so I lay down on a bench hoping to hide.
As this happened I suddenly realized that this was a very, very odd
situation for me to be in. I remembered a Carlos Castaneda novel I had read
earlier in the year and I thought "This must be some sort of in-organic
being". I was not lucid at this point (IE: unaware that I was dreaming) but
at some level I must have known or THOUGHT I was dreaming to connect the
two. So anyway, further recalling the stories of inorganic beings, I said
the word "intent" in my head. At which point, a vortex-like thing opened in
the middle of the street with a sound like a large jet engine which sucked
me into it. I then found myself sitting next to a friend and someone I
didn't know, but who's name I knew. They were speaking giddily about getting
some magic mushrooms. As soon as the word mushroom was uttered however, the
vortex opened again and I was whisked away and thrown to my bed. The noise
did NOT go away and I was not able to move a single muscle in my body. There
was a definite presence hovering over me keeping there. After a lot of
thrashing wildly and trying to scream, I got free and rolled off the edge of
my bed in between the mattress and the wall, but as soon as I realized I was
free of this "thing", I woke up AGAIN in my bed.. This time everything was
"normal". My girlfriend had been sleeping next to me and was completely
undisturbed, and when I woke her and asked if I was thrashing or moving she
said she had slept fine....
Dream comments: none
Dream title: Mafia
Dream date: 11/18/04
Dreamer name: Spout
Dream text: My family and I were chased by the Italian mafia. They shot my
mom and my brother. I told all my friends about that and all of us took
revenge on the Italians. Later on, we modified two of my friends by
transforming them into robots (but their head was the robot’s head). So we
went and fought the Mafia. At the end their heads disappeared and I yelled
where are you where are you?!?!
Dream comments: What a dream it was amazing
Dream title: The Unknown Truth
Dream date: 11/20/04
Dreamer name: anonymous
Dream text: I was some place and I thought I recognize a child and I went to
the child and said hi. The child grabbed me and hugged around my waist and
wouldn’t let go. The child kept yelling for her parents; the more she
yelled, the tighter she grabbed. There was a point when I woke up for a
second and gasp for air. Then she kept yelling louder and louder and her
mother ran and left her. Then after that, it got bright and its like I went
to another dream and it was cloudy. Every time a guy came outside, I became
sunny and I told someone it’s like he is the sun. Then things happened so
fast and next thing I knew, he was on the ground in my house. Someone cut
him open and his family was dead. We realized that they weren’t human and he
actually was the sun. He was the one who brought light to this world - the
end.
Dream comments: please I need to know its been on my mind
Dream title: I feel like I’m falling!
Dream date: many times
Dreamer name: lc15
Dream text: Sometimes I’m dreaming I’m falling from a cliff or something and
then suddenly I just wake up!
Dream comments: What does this mean?
Dream title: The Calling
Dream date: 4 years ago
Dreamer name: N
Dream text: I was on a bus and it was a long straight road but it was only
me on the bus. I something made me look behind out the back window and here
I saw this crazy-looking woman running at the bus yelling on the top of her
voice "Stop the bus". She had this crazy long black looking dress and it was
like she had no skin and her veins were black while her blood was pure
white. Then the bus started to slow down and I was so worried about the
woman. When I looked out the side window, there was this guy I have liked
for so long (Hippy) and he just looked up at me and put his hand up to the
window. He looked amazing and it was like he had this white beam surrounding
him; it was beautiful. Then everything went black and then I was no longer
on the bus but sitting in my bed, which for some reason was in the lounge
room. I was just watching all these people walk past me; no one even knew I
was there. They were all walking into this room so I got out of my bed to
investigate. I see my sister sitting in her bed and she looked up me and she
just smiled and looked so content. She also had this bright white light
surrounding her; she had this really nice pink top on with her hair down.
Then it all went black again and this time standing in a tower and I saw
these double doors and something told me to open them so I did. It was
amazing and all I could see was the sky on a gorgeous summer day. I looked
down but it just went on for ever and ever. Then I knew what was coming but
I wanted to stay longer. I couldn't control the blackness from sweeping over
me again and then I was on the beach; and we had to play this game to get
our money. There where all these guys jumping in the water, going crazy and
jumping over these big logs that were coming from the ocean out of nowhere.
I looked all around me and there were these huge big cliffs lining around me
and the ocean was incredible. So I saw them having so much fun I wanted to
join in but before I could jump over any logs, the blackness drew me back in
again, sending me someplace else. Finally I had a feeling that this would be
the last time the blackness would appear and I knew something was awaiting
me, and sure enough here was that crazy-looking lady from the bus trip in my
lounge room and my sister was with me. The crazy lady looked like she was
going to do some serious damage to us both. Something took my mind off that:
this amazing huge ruby ring on the woman’s finger and the fact that she was
all scaly like a snake. I had to think of something quick so I told my
sister to get out of the way and get down because I knew it was my demon I
had to stand up against. All I knew was I had to grab a sharp knife and stab
the women 3 times in the heart and she would die. So I leapt for the knife
and in 3 quick motions I stabbed the lady. When I stood back knowing there
would have had to been plenty of blood to clean up, but to my surprise she
had evaporated. But instead of her clothes, there were my clothes lying on
the floor. AND THEN I WOKE UP......
Dream comments: This dream puzzles me still it just had this strong energy
about it. It's been 4 years no and I still from time to time think of this
dream and once I sat down, things started to unravel. The reason why the
crazy women left my clothes behind is simply because she was the other half
of me, the bad half that had been haunting me for many years and I finally
could confront her. It was easier then I had thought it was going to be as
well. At the start of the dream when Hippy was standing outside the bus, I
knew that it was the crazy lady running after him but he knew that my better
half wanted to stop her. I was a little obsessed with these two guys from
college but Hippy only got through and it made me realize what I was doing
and that I was chasing him away. I still don't have much idea what the rest
of the dream is about. Bits and pieces fall in to place now and then. I am
just glad I could do something before it was too late, instead of losing
both the guys I only lost Hippy not Blaze. It certainly has been a long
journey for me.
Dream title: I'll miss you forever
Dream date: 10/23/04
Dreamer name: Hope
Dream text: I was out and about with my mother and my sister. I suddenly
wanted to return to my mother’s house because I left one of my dogs there.
When I opened the door I remembered the dog was at my home with my husband.
I entered my mother’s house and looked into her living room. I could see a
cat on a chair grooming itself. I entered the room and saw my dog that had
died earlier this year. I went over and reached to touch him, fully
expecting him NOT to be solid. He was solid and warm and I could feel the
texture of his fur. He got up and licked my face and hands and I was so
happy he was alive. My sister came in and I told her to look at who was here
and she couldn't see him. I woke up and started to cry.
Dream comments: My mother is elderly and in failing health. We have grown
apart of late. My father passed away 22 years ago.
Dream title: None
Dream date: random
Dreamer name: Paradise
Dream text: I have recurrent dreams that I am walking and all of a sudden my
legs start to give out on me. I try to get up but they are too weak to
support me. So I end up having to move on my knees. Sometimes I can get up
but only for a few minutes before falling again.
Dream comments: I just want to know what this dream might be telling me, and
why I might have it so often.
Dream title: My boyfriend
Dream date: 10/23/2004
Dreamer name: anonymous
Dream text: In my dream my boyfriend of four years was in prison. The drive
to go and see him was four hours away, so I went with a friend. When we
arrived at the prison they served us breakfast and we waited for my
boyfriend to come out as we ate. A while after that, he walked towards us,
but as soon as he could reach us a group of guys surrounded him. They
started to beat him and they took him away. My friend and I didn’t know what
to do. We tried to follow them, but lost them. Later on that day, we found
one of the guys that had been in the group and I asked him what happened to
my boyfriend. All he said was that he was killed. Why I don’t know.
Dream comments: Why in my dream I was so close to seeing him, and talking to
him, but I didn’t get a chance to? My boyfriend is in jail. He is getting
out in March 2005. I can’t go and see him because the drive is too far. I
haven’t spoke to him or received a letter in about a month.
Dream title: Bees flying
Dream date: 10/23/2004
Dreamer name: J
Dream text: There were bees flying around the place I was in.
Dream comments: none
Dream title: Chain saw
Dream date: 10/27/04
Dreamer name: J78
Dream text: I dreamt that my girlfriend and I are in a forest; I’m cutting a
tree using the big chain saw. I tell her to use the small chain saw for
cutting trees but she doesn’t want the small one. She wants big chain saw
that I’m using.
Dream comments: Is this dream of mine bad?
Dream title: no title given
Dream date: none
Dreamer name: J
Dream text: There was a small hill right in front of me with dark green
grass, and perfect white fuzzy rabbits spread out all over it. At the top of
the hill was a huge black and dark brown snake slithering its way down to
the rabbits. I felt very worried about the rabbits but I felt like I was
watching it on a big screen.
Dream comments: I just wanted to know if anyone knows what it means.
Dream title: Rape
Dream date: 10*28*04
Dreamer name: L
Dream text: I had a dream that I was out with some of my friends and we had
a hotel room and I was in a car with some guy I didn’t know. Twenty minutes
later, I was at the hotel with this old guy I didn’t know. Then the next
thing I know I was being raped!
Dream comments: I would love to know why I had this dream and what it means.
Dream title: Baby
Dream date: 10-29-04
Dreamer name: Cash
Dream text: I am at work, hurting in my stomach. I go to the restroom where
my water breaks. I call home to tell my mother so they can come get me. It
will take them to long to get to town. I called my Aunt to come get me but I
have enough time. We go to the hospital, where I haven't full dilated.
Dream comments: I am scared that I will be at work.
Dream title: Spiders
Dream date: thousands of times
Dreamer name: su
Dream text: Since I was a young girl, I have had this dream-nightmare.
Spiders are on the ceiling above me and are lowering themselves onto me as I
wake up.
Dream comments: It takes a long time each time for me to make myself believe
this is a dream and not reality.
Dream title: Kill
Dream date: 10/16/04
Dreamer name: anonymous
Dream text: I often dream about killing people trying to defend myself.
Dream comments: none
Dream title: Celebrity meeting
Dream date: none
Dreamer name: totally dreamer girl
Dream text: I have had many dreams of a famous celebrity encounter, who
happens to be the hottest of them all: Chad Michael Murray.
In this one particular dream, I see him at my school (not the same in real
life) and we bump into each other. Surprisingly, he’s happy to see me and
it's as if he likes me as much as I like him. Never struck a conversation up
with him but the future looked good for us.
Dream comments: What do you think this could mean? Will I strike well in
relationships in the future? Or Perhaps I have more popularity than I think?
I'm clueless on interpreting this one.
Dream title: Pregnant
Dream date: 02/11/04
Dreamer name: babe
Dream text: I dreamt my husband’s ex-wife was expecting his child
Dream comments: hell
Dream title: Floating on Air
Dream date: 10/31/04
Dreamer name: anonymous
Dream text: I was floating through the air...whatever I did or was doing, I
was transparent. I was weightless. I traveled through solid objects, i.e.,
walls, doors etc. I could hear others in my dream, however, I did not seem
to respond, and I just reacted. I remember reaching for my glucometer, you
see, because I am diabetic. Then I dropped it, it broke and I awoke.
Dream comments: none
Dream title: Baby
Dream date: 11/5/04
Dreamer name: anonymous
Dream text: I keep dreaming that I’m having a baby.
Dream comments: What does this mean?
Dream title: None
Dream date: 10/29/04
Dreamer name: anonymous
Dream text: I’m a female who dreamed about kissing another female.
Dream comments: none
Dream title: Spider
Dream date: 10/28/2004
Dreamer name: anonymous
Dream text: I see a medium black and yellow spider crawling on me
Dream comments: Can you tell me what this means?
Dream title: Frank's rampage
Dream date: recurring since childhood
Dreamer name: pm
Dream text: A girl I went to school with (not a friend) and I are in my
house when Frank DiFazio (Laverne's dad from Laverne & Shirley) bursts
through the door with a shotgun. He screams that he is going to kill one of
us and we should each tell him why it should not be us. Whichever one has
the best reason will live. He is very terrifying and screams at us in
Italian. Just when he is about to shoot one of us, I wake up so I never find
out who Frank thinks is worthy of his mercy.
Dream comments: This dream began around 1983 and just seeing him on reruns
even today makes my heart race.
Dream title: None
Dream date: None
Dreamer name: LG
Dream text: My sister and I have our own private jet fighter planes that we
fly about our mother’s castle. I am the better flyer and my sister is just
learning so she always crashes. One day I went to the shops to buy some
fuel. While I was waiting in the queue I picked up a magazine and started to
read it. I came to a picture of Will Smith and I stared at it. When I looked
up he was standing right in front of me, looking at me. We chatted for a
while and I bought the magazine and invited him back to the castle on my jet
for some lunch.
Dream comments: It isn't the first dream I’ve had with Will Smith in it; I
had one the night before. Also I’ve always wanted my own plane.
Dream title: The Man
Dream date: started 3 years ago
Dreamer name: LDL
Dream text: Three years ago I started having a dream about walking in the
park with a faceless man. The wind was blowing and brushing the leaves
against our face. The wind and the water made it colder yet. I never saw a
face until the 1st part of October 2004. Then a couple of weeks later I was
chatting on the internet and received a message from a gentleman that was
passing through where I currently live, and wanted someone to show him the
sights. After a while I told him I would. He showed me his web cam which
distorted his face. But when I picked him up for our sight, seeing thing he
was the man in the dreams that I had been having. We spent a great week
together. The initial dream which I just described has since gone into
another segment which shows him and me meeting again and while I'm not sure
I see him and I coming home to each other in our future.
Dream comments: none
Dream title: My boyfriend’s death
Dream date: 11/06/04
Dreamer name: da
Dream text: I had a nightmare about my boyfriend’s death. What happened in
my dream is that I was in my old house in West Milford New Jersey and it was
night out...I walked into the house and there were 5 or 6 guys in the
kitchen; some were sitting and some were standing against the counter. I
asked them “what are you guys doing?” They said that they were FBI agents.
So all of sudden I got this thought in my mind that my boyfriend’s mom had
some thing to do with it. So I called her and asked her what was going on
and explained what had happened. All she was doing was laughing and she
didn't say any thing at all. All of sudden I heard this gun shot I ran
inside and my boyfriend had a blanket over his head. But he still continued
to smoke his cigarette even though the blanket was over his head. There was
no blood but I asked "What happened?” They said he killed himself but I knew
that wasn't true; for some reason I knew it wasn't true even though I was
outside when it happened. It was like I had this vision after the supposed
FBI agents told me he did it to himself. My vision was that I saw one of
them shoot him. It was very foggy when I saw the vision. Then I woke up and
it upset me to the point where I couldn't stop crying because the dream felt
so real. I was crying in my sleep and it felt like I woke up crying.
Dream comments: My boyfriend never had a criminal background, never had to
deal with authority in a wrong way. He's not involved in organized crime,
he's not a cop he's a pool maintenance manager. No one in my family has
anything to do with any of that. He's not depressed and he would tell me
stuff like that. His life is good. He doesn't have enemies and I know all
his friends. He doesn't owe anybody money. There is absolutely nothing in
our lives that I can link this dream to. We have lived with each other for 6
years and I have known him for 8 years. Could you please help me figure out
what this dream means if it means any thing at all?? My boyfriend is 22
years old and I am 22 years old - does that have any thing to do with it?
Dream title: Visitors unknown
Dream date: Unknown
Dreamer name: S
Dream text: I saw myself standing in a building, waiting to enter an
elevator. It was dark and somewhat isolated and I was the only person
waiting to enter the elevator. The elevator door opened and I went ahead
and stepped inside (or so I thought) as the elevator began to ascend. As it
was rising I realized that it was gaining speed.as I looked up toward the
ceiling of the elevator I suddenly noticed that I was actually standing on
top of the outer part of it. At this point it was traveling at a high speed
and I was helpless to do anything to stop it. As I stared up to see where I
was headed I knew that no matter how much I screamed for help I would not be
able to avoid the inevitable. As the elevator continued to ascend I noticed
a solid surface above me which was approaching fast. I was about to be
crushed and could do nothing to avoid it. As the elevator finally reached
the top I don't recall feeling any pain the only thing I recall was
darkness. I then saw myself walking in a hallway of a large building which
seemed to be a hospital. At a distance I could see a group of women gathered
close togther. As I approached them I realized they were my family membes -
my mother and four sisters. They were sobbing as if they were in sorrow and
feeling deep sadness.i called out to them but they did not acknowledge me
nor would they respond. I tried to reach out and touch them to let them know
I was there but my hand just went through them. That's when I suddenly
realized I was invisible and something was not right. As I stood there I
heard them saying how much they would miss me and how much they loved me. I
cried out to them "i'm alive, i'm right here!" my focus was then turned to
the top of the elevator where I saw my body crushed and puddles of blood had
formed around it. It was at this point that I knew I was dead and awoke from
that dream feeling very uneasy.
Dream comments: I do not understand why I had had this disturbing dream. I
have had numerous dreams I find interesting. I don't know which one to share
first. I have heard that if you ever die in a dream then you also die in
real life. I have had dreams where I die and yet I am still here to write
about them. This is one such dream.
Dream title: none
Dream date: none
Dreamer name: unknown
Dream text: In the dream, I switched places with the me in the Stargate sg1
reality. The other me there was also 21, but still in high school.
The family, however, has all of the problems as here, but they have at least
one thing extra I noticed. The other me has a PC note that's wireless and
they take it to school to do their work on/playing around. And they have the
same class and room as I did.
And their teacher was also Mrs. T!
I appeared in the hall, sort of always from the way down into Stairwell 1. I
went to use it when I saw Colonel Harry Maybourne standing, with beard and
civvies against the wall! I asked what he was doing there, and he was sort
of quiet about it. Next thing I know, I hear echoes in the stairwell of
people talking and walking! These people stop just at the door I am outside
of. They don't notice me because they are turned around still talking to
whoever.
I recognize the person I am looking at as Bert Samuels! I turn to run and
Maybourne says from behind me, "Where are you going?"
"To alert my classmates."
"Why should to be concerned about them?" I turned to Maybourne, a
disbelieving look on my face at his question
"There are innocent kids in that class." I replied. "I am not letting them
be scared because of one person!" I concentrated on the hallway leading to
Mrs. T's class, and said 'Rel por!" This was the teleport spell in uo. I was
standing in the exact same hallway! I ran down the hall and forced myself to
knock quietly on the door to room 227. Someone opened the door and I walked
in. Mrs. T was sitting at her desk, grading work or something. I looked over
at where I was seated and saw the PC notebook closed sitting there. I
grabbed the work (that I had to do) off my desk and went to the Mac computer
that was next to Mrs. T's desk. I booted it up and soon was typing out my
work.
"Oh by the way," I reply. "There is some military guy coming up to here."
"How do you know?" Mrs. T asks.
"Because when I was coming up the stairwell, I heard them talking behind
me!"
I gathered my finished work from the printer and went back to my desk. I
flipped up my PC notebook, turned the volume down, and loaded up Unreal
Tournament. Trisha came up and asked what it was and I showed her. She was
bent over, playing a bit of U.T. when someone opened the door. Trisha
flipped the thing down quickly, shutting it off in the process. I went and
sat down back at the Mac. Bert Samuels stood against where my desk was,
hands clasped in front.
“Have you seen Brandon Samuels?" He asked. Mrs. T. This I do
know, Brandon is not related to military Samuels!
"Can't say that I have," She replied.
Samuels caught me looking at him. "Have you seen him, Miss?"
"No, I haven't." I technically was telling the truth, but what if the Mindy
over here saw him? And I knew Brandon was in trouble if the Air Force was
called on him! "His bus had to pass mine this morning, but he wasn't on it."
"Thank you very much." He replied, smiling at me and Mrs. T.
He left.
"Did you tell the truth Mindy?" Taylor asked. "Or did you just lie to him to
protect Brandon?"
"I didn't see him; I have no idea where he is."
As I was sitting down, Brandon walked in, with his coat on and book bag
tossed over his shoulder. He handed Mrs. T a blue pass. It turned out that
he was sick this morning, but got better enough to still go to school.
"Hey, Brandon, by the way this guy was looking for you. He was from the
military" I told him, not knowing what his reaction would be.
"Oh, no, oh sh**!" I heard Brandon whisper. Mrs. Taylor didn't hear him,
thankfully. Calmly he went to his desk. Next thing we knew, he climbed out
of the small window! Mrs. T, Trisha, and I jumped up with exclamations. He
found a ladder and climbed down with his book bag.
Mrs. Taylor grabbed her cell phone and started dialing. "I am calling the
cops to look for him." She said to us. "The school does not allow kids to
behave like this."
I packed up my things and sat at my desk. I saw from a schedule taped to my
desk that I had permission to leave early. I hoisted my big black pack that
held my Notebook on my shoulder. "Bye." I called out.
I walked down the hall all of the way to the side exit. I grunted and
thought to hell with it! I passed through the door, glass and all!
I heard this shout, "What the h** did you do?"
I turned around and saw that there was this black girl (who looked about 17)
in the doorway of the sign in office. I mentally rolled my eyes and pushed
the door open and walked back in. "I used the door."
"The h** you did, and I'm reporting you for being a little witch!"
The girl grabbed me by my arm and pulled me to the office. She pushed me
down in the waiting seat. “You sit your *** there until I get the assistant
principal!" She went in the back of the office and went into a door. Mrs.
Kraft came out, talking with the black girl.
"What's the problem?" Kraft asked me. "Nikita says she saw you pass through
a door."
"I didn't. I opened the door the normal way and she starts screaming at me
calling me a little witch and stuff.”
"Nikita," Kraft began scolding, “What have I told you about lying about
other people?"
"BUT MRS. KRAFT," Nikita began with a very shocked look as she looked from
to the woman. "SHE DID DO IT!"
"You may go." Kraft told me.
I turned to leave and I felt something coming at me. I threw out my hand
behind me and caught it without looking. I saw that it was a ceramic cactus.
"SEE WHAT I TOLD YOU!" Nikita yelled. "SHE AIN'T
HUMAN!"
"Good catch Mindy." As I handed it over to Kraft, she rounded on Nikita.
"That is my collector piece that cost one hundred-"
I left in middle of their argument. I decided to open the door the right way
just in case Nikita was vying to get me in trouble again.
I walked across the parking lots and then was walking on the left side of
the road, going towards the light. I hear this noise behind me and I turn
around. This black sports car is coming to a stop.
"Do you need some help?" The driver was Walter Davis, the tech from Sg1!
"Could you please give me a ride, if you don't mind?"
"Sure, hop on in."
I told him where I lived and we were riding down Fairgrounds road when he
noticed my sort of miff ness. “What's wrong?"
"Oh, it's nothing you did. This kid and I had an argument."
"What was that about?"
"She claimed to see me pass like a ghost through a door or something. I
think she smoked too much."
He agreed with me and we continued to talk about small talk. We soon pulled
into my driveway and I saw some other cars in there! I grabbed my computer
and school bag. "Well, thanks for the lift." I replied. "Have a great day."
I got out and my mom walked up to me. "What is company doing here?"
"You'll see, come on."
We walked up the ramp and into the house. When we walked in, I had my back
turned to the rest of the living room as I dropped off my bags. I turned
back around to face the living room. General Hammond and all of Sg1, minus
Teal'c, were in our living room! Walter Davis was now standing back against
the door and arms crossed.
"Hello Mindy," General Hammond began. I redirected my attention to him.
"Colonel O'Neil would like to say something." He added, seeing he had my
attention.
Jack stood up and looked right at me. He was wearing a brown leather jacket
that wasn't zipped up. He also had on what looked like to me
a blue shirt. With a neutral expression, he stated, "We know you
know about the Stargate."
My blood froze at that statement! I thought quickly, snapped my fingers, and
replied, "D@%#! It looks like I am going to have to come up with a new story
idea!"
"A story," Sam began. "What's that about?"
"I was going to have it like a man-made wormhole, but I am going to have to
go back to my time machine idea, I guess."
"We would like to confirm your story; may we see your computer?"
Hammond replied.
I dug it out of its pack and set it on the blue fold-up table. Sam sat in
front of it, quickly entering in some commands. “No sir, as far as I know,
she's telling the truth. No story ideas on it, but there's not any stuff on
the project either."
"Tell the truth." A voice from near the fireplace made me jump.
I turned around and saw that Major Paul Davis was there too! He was wearing
his Pentagon uniform! He sat on the edge of the hospital bed where the air
pump machine was. Dad was lying in the bed, on his back or side, I can't
quite remember.
"I am."
"It would be easier on your family if you did tell the truth." He replied
gently, looking at me sincerely.
"Please tell them, Mindy." Dad replied, starting to get depressed.
"I've told you what it was about, the story." I told Davis.
Hammond stood up with the rest of them. "Ok, we will go. But if we hear
you've lied to us, we will be back."
They left and I turned to mom. "Mom, I have a headache, I will take a rest."
I was asleep in bed, due to the headache of the day's stresses.
Suddenly, my mom called to me, I started to awake, forcing me to open my
eyes.
"What?" I asked, still half asleep.
"We have to lift your dad up." She replied.
When she left down the hall to the living room, I groaned, put on my glasses
and got out of bed. I met them up there a second later.
Mom pulled the pillows out from his side and pulled the bed out and set the
brakes. I went to the left side of the bed and used the remote to lower the
head part of the bed. We got in positions and we each grabbed our sides of
the draw sheet.
"One, two-" my mom began. Suddenly, the front door opened, making me turn
around quickly. Major Davis walked in the door, still wearing his light blue
pants and blue jacket.
"Did I interrupt something?" He asked. "I accidentally left my bag here." He
saw me and mom on either side of the bed. 'What are you two doing?" He
asked, confused.
"He slips down into the bed sometimes," I replied. "And we need to pull him
back up using the draw sheet."
"Ah," He replied, getting it. He quickly went and retrieved a big, thick
black bag and left.
By time we got him lifted up in the bed, Davis was completely gone.
Mom pushed the bed back and hit the button to bring the front part of the
bed up again. I wheeled the tray around in front of him and mom placed a
plate of what we were going to have for dinner on his tray.
"I need to go to the bathroom real quick." I lied. When I shut the working
door behind me, locked it and opened the seat loudly, I woke up.
Dream comments: none
Dream title: Filling out forms
Dream date: 11/07/04
Dreamer name: anonymous
Dream text: My girlfriend and I were filing out forms. The forms keep
filling out themselves and we were getting frustrated.
Dream comments: I couldn't sleep and I was thinking about all night and I
don't know why. My girlfriend and I had just gotten into a big fight. I want
to no if that had anything to do with it.
Dream title: Strange
Dream date: none
Dreamer name: CN
Dream text: This guy from my school who I barely know, but have always
thought was just gorgeous, was way into to me in this dream. I totally had
his full attention and after I had sex with him, he didn’t have anything to
do with me. He wanted to buy me all these things, like clothes jewelry etc.
I was so devastated because I had really liked him for him and I did not
want all these things. I just wanted him, but he really did not want a
relationship with me.
Dream comments: Why do you think this may have been? What was the purpose of
this dream? I am totally clueless. I have never thought about a guy I did
not know that well and it’s out of my character to sleep with them. I was
ashamed because he really wanted nothing to do with me except to buy me
things.
Dream title: Changing wigs
Dream date: 11/8/04
Dreamer name: A
Dream text: I was talking with my step mom and she started to show me papers
that I needed to sign. As I started to read the papers, they were blank.
After that, my dream changed to where I was putting on different color wigs.
One by one, I was looking at myself with them on in the mirror.
Dream comments: what does that mean?
Dream title: Saved
Dream date: 11/04/04
Dreamer name: p5
Dream text: I walk into some kind of convention center or hotel setting.
There are a lot of people. I begin searching for someone or something. It is
not revealed to me at the beginning of the dream. Before I can find what I
am looking for, there is a catastrophe of some kind. The nature of the event
is not revealed. I fall off the tall building, as I fall I am made aware of
a single tile in the concrete that I am to touch...I am not afraid in the
dream but whether guided to this single tile...As I fall to the ground I
touch the tile, which immediately turns a different "glowing" color. At the
instant that I touch the tile I call out and say, "Jesus please save me.”
Instantly I am surrounded by the people that begin to shout she is healed,
how could she have survived...I go back into the building to look for my
daughter, I could not find her...Then an enormous figure of a previous
pastor I knew appears on the phone in the middle of the building asking me
for my story... I wake up w/o being able to find my daughter...
Dream comments: none
Dream title: my ex-boyfriend
Dream date: 11-8-2004
Dreamer name: ai
Dream text: My dream was that I was on the phone talking to my ex-boyfriend.
I let him know that I missed him but what he did was wrong, he did not have
to take it that far. And the next thing I knew I was married to him and
everything was going good but in real life everything is going bad.
Dream comments: Please tell me what this dream means; I have no idea what
this means
Dream title: Dog Bite
Dream date: 11/8/04
Dreamer name: SB
Dream text: I keep having this dream of my dog biting me in the rear. When
he does this, I quickly turn around to bite him right back, drawing blood.
My dog then starts to talk to me and the next thing I know, my dog and I are
getting married in this small chapel in Las Vegas, with a Michael Jackson
theme. Then my dog and I walk back down the aisle after our marriage is
confirmed and all of a sudden we're at a private beach resort.
Dream comments: Please help. This is a non-stop re-occurring dream!
Dream title: a kiss
Dream date: I don’t know
Dreamer name: A
Dream text: I kissed a guy I liked. While we were kissing, he had a really
long nose, really long teeth, and he didn’t look like himself. When I pulled
away he went back to normal.
Dream comments: does it mean something?
Dream title: none
Dream date: none listed
Dreamer name: anonymous
Dream text: I'm in a fight with someone and I'm throwing my punches as hard
as I can, but it’s like I'm tapping them with my fist!!
Dream comments: I know I'm strong, but I have had this dream like 6 times. I
don’t know what it means.
Dream title: Tornadoes
Dream date: 11-9-04
Dreamer name: L
Dream text: I am dreaming about a tornado that is right by my house. It
hasn't done anything to our mobile home, except shake it. My mom and my
sister and I are the only ones home. I always wake up while the tornado is
coming closer.
Dream comments: I have had this dream a lot and it is almost the same every
time.
Dream title: always running, working, babies, late husband, late mother,
scared snakes.
Dream date: November 10, 2004
Dreamer name: Galieo
Dream text: Not meeting deadlines at work; I am retired.
I see my late mother and late husband. I work so hard all night in my dreams
that I am actually tired in the morning.
Dream comments: I am extremely happy with my life now. I am married to a
loving and giving man that treats me like a princess.
Dream title: A white & little gray on face -pretty fluffy full grown male
cat
Dream date: First week of Nov. 2004
Dreamer name: sm
Dream text: I opened the driver’s door to my car and discovered a beautiful
strange cat. The cat seemed to know it belonged with me. The cat was on the
floor of the passenger-side next to me.
Dream comments: The cat is mine and he knows it. He had been waiting for me
the whole time I was away. I loved the cat at first sight and knew someone
had brought him to me to find.
Dream title: Adventures in the magical foresights
Dream date: 11/13/04
Dreamer name: J
Dream text: My dream was a difficult one to understand all I can remember is
that I was kind of like a Harry Potter in my dream. Now this isn’t the first
time when I was like Harry Potter in my dream. I was more of a grown up
Harry Potter, because I was married in my dream. But I can’t remember who my
wife was. My dream took place in the school where Harry Potter attends, but
it was more of a beautiful penthouse. At this so-called hotel/school, I try
to get some money off my wife, but some spirit or ghost would not let me. He
would chant spells at me and I would do the same back, like a magical war.
In one casting, he sent me flying out the penthouse window in a miniature
bus. Then my so-called wife saved me and brought me back to normality and
size. Then I flew up to the room again and tried again to get some. We were
under the covers getting all fresh and sweaty. The bed was all beige linen
sheets and it was a hardwood type floor, kind of like a mountain home. (But
when you went out the door it was all stone and the moving staircases). I
think we even ate at the dining table with all the other guests, which I can
’t totally remember their age or gender.
Dream comments: Can you try to make sense out of this for me please; I have
had this dream twice.
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