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Volume #9 Issue #7
July 2002
ISSN# 1089 4284
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C O N T E N T S
++ Editor's Notes
New Dream Editor, Elizabeth Westlake
++ The Global Dreaming News
Events - Updates - Reviews - More
From Peggy Coats - www.DreamTree.com
++ Column: An Excerpt From the Lucid Dream Exchange
By Lucy Gillis
++ Article: The World Dreams Peace Bridge
as a Long-Term Journaling Project
By Jean Campbell
++ Article: Flying Through Science Fiction and Fantasy
By Linda Lane Magallón
++ Article & Research Data: Computer Dreams
Digital Dreaming Series
#9a: DATA : Selected Dream entries from
July 2001 to September 11, 2001
and
#9b The Digital Archetype: Discussions from the C.G.
Jung Bulletin Board.
By Richard Catlett Wilkerson
D R E A M S S E C T I O N : Volume #468 - #502
With Elizabeth Westlake and Harry Bosma
D E A D L I N E :
July 17th deadline for July 2002 submissions
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Editor's Notes
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Welcome to the July 2002 issue of Electric Dreams, your portal to dreams
and dreaming online.
If you are new to dreams and dreaming, please join us on
dreamchatters@yahoogroups.com and we will guide you to the resources you
need. To join send an e to
dreamchatters-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
With great pleasure I would like to introduce you to the new Dream Section
editor! Please welcome Elizabeth Westlake
writer@... who has
joined the Electric Dreams staff as the Dream Editor beginning with this
July issue. If you take even a little peek at the dream section, you will
notice that it is has become magically transformed in Elizabeth's hands.
You can now find cross references on comments, avoid reading duplications,
and generally see that the whole format is quite approachable.
Elizabeth has been working as a dream interpreter for over five years, both
for herself and for others.
" Until recently (with the demise of the Webseed Network) I was the
managing editor of their dream interpretation site, DreamersHaven.com. I'm
currently working on my new site, DreamersOasis.com. I'm still tweaking the
CMS (themes, formats, etc.) so it doesn't have any actual content in it
yet. " EW
If you have dreams you would like added to the Electric Dreams section on
dreams, please don't send those to us directly, but rather put then in the
dream-flow. You can do this by either subscribing
directly
dream-flow-subscribe@yahoogroups.com or submitting to the form
at
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/temple/
Our news directory, Peggy Coats, from dreamtree.com, has gathered dreaming
news from around the world. In the Global Dreaming News you will find the
latest dream and dreamwork events, conferences, and seminars. Also you will
find research and research requests for subject, updates on your favorite
dream websites, book reviews and more. If you have news items about dreams
and dreaming for Peggy, send them to her at
web@...
In this month's Excerpts from the Lucid Dream Exchange, Lucy Gillis
herself gets interviewed! If you are interested in what leads people to
lucid dreaming and the background of a lucid dreamer, this interview is for
you!
Are you interested in World Peace? If so, Jean Campbell may help you
understand how proactive dreaming can be used to being the global peace
process. Since 9-11 Jean has been interested in the reverberations through
the dream world and has been involved in a variety of projects that will
allow us to dream a new world. Join the World Dream Peace Bridge and read
"The World Dreams Peace Bridge: As a Long-Term Journaling Project"
Linda Land Magallón has been observing for some time how fantasy and sci-fi
stories mimic the activities of the flying dreamer. In "Flying Through
Science Fiction and Fantasy" Linda explores the texts in some detail and
shows how to use paperbacks, comic strips and even children's picture books
to incubate flying dreams.
A short time ago I was asked a question about the Computer Dreams project
that I found interesting. How do the archetypes fit in with computer
dreams? You will find some of my thoughts about this in my article "The
Digital Archetype: Discussions from the C.G. Jung Bulletin Board."
Also included are more dreams from the computer dreams research project.
Most of the survey information has been removed, and if you are a
researcher and need this information, contact me. What I am presenting here
are the raw dreams themselves, with the focus less on who is having them,
than what kinds of content they contain. As we move into the Digital Age,
these dreams make for fascinating reading. This selection are the dream of
the summer before 9-11. Be sure to look through Computer Dreams
Digital Dreaming Series #9a: DATA : Selected Dream entries from July 2001
to September 11, 2001
By the way, the Association for the Study of Dreams just ended their 19th
Annual International Conference. You can see the abstracts as well as the
dream inspired art show and dream telepathy contest winners at
http://www.asdreams.org/2002
The dream inspired Art Exhibit is also online:
http://www.asdreams.org/2002
http://www.asdreams.org/2001
Our cover artist this month is Dale Shearon. Dale is a former school
teacher who currently works as a freelance designer in the Seattle, WA.
area. His background outside of education is art and photography, two
artforms he likes to blend into his work.
The image for this cover consists of multiple copies of three photographs
along with his pet image, a scan of an old fashioned magnifying glass.
His current project is an interactive CD portfolio for an artist using
Macromedia Flash and Adobe's PhotoShop and Illustrator. Dale welcomes
e-mail comments. His address is
dale@... His web site is
www.speculardesign.com
Dale is a solid sleeper who seldom recalls his dreams, but has had an
excellent flight dream.
We don't send the cover with the e-zine, but you can view, download and
print up a copy anytime at:
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/ed-covers/
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Our dream-flow Dreams this month come from all around the Net and have been
organized by the software developed by Harry Bosma. Be sure to look through
the dreams and see what on the mind and soul of dreamers in Cyberspace.
Thanks to all who sent in information for the Dream Resources pages. There
is still time to get your site updated. You can look through our collected
website links at:
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/resources/
For those of you who are new to dreams and dreaming, be sure to stop by one
of the many resources:
http://www.dreamtree.com
http://www.dreamgate.com/electric-dreams
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/library
-Richard Wilkerson
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G L O B A L D R E A M I N G N E W S
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If you have news you'd like to share, contact Peggy Coats,
pcoats@.... Visit Global Dreaming News online at
http://www.dreamtree.com/News/global.htm.
This Month's Features:
NEWS
- Kelly Bulkeley releases several dream articles
- Patricia Garfield's Pajama Party at BookPassage
WEBSITE & ONLINE UPDATES
- Kristine Mann Library (C.G. Jung)
DREAM CALENDAR for June-July 2002
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N E W S
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>>>> Kelly Bulkeley releases several dream articles
http://www.kellybulkeley.com
Kelly Bulkeley, one of the dream field's most prominent scholars, now has
several of his articles online. There are also book reviews and other
resources. Here is a list of the articles:
(2002). Reflections on the Dream Traditions of Islam. Sleep and Hypnosis. (pdf)
(2002). Dream Reports for "Dream Content and Political Ideology." Dreaming
12(2).
(2001). The Strange Politics of Dreaming
(2000). AAR 2001 Presentation: Penelope as Dreamer: The Perils of
Interpretation
(2000) Transforming Dreams: Learning Spiritual Lessons from the Dreams You
Never Forget. Dream Time Magazine 17(1), pp. 6-7.
(1999). The Varieties of Religious Dream Experience. The Introduction to
Visions of the Night (Albany, NY: SUNY)
(1996). From the Yellow Brick Road to Freddy's Razor Claws: Films, Dreams,
and American Society. Santa Clara University. Based on a Presentation Made
at the 1996 Annual Meeting of the American Academy of Religion.
(1996) Political Dreaming: Dreams of the 1992 Presidential Election.
Chapter 10 from Among All These Dreamers (SUNY Press)
(1995). Snakes. Chapter 2 from: Spiritual Dreaming: A Cross-Cultural and
Historical Journey. New York, NY: Paulist Press.
(1994) Dream-Sharing Groups, Spirituality, and Community. Presentation made
to the Person, Culture and Religion Group at the Annual Meeting of the
American Academy of Religion, Chicago, Illinois.
>>>> Patricia Garfield's Pajama Party at BookPassage
Patricia Garfield Fri., June 28, 7:00 pm
Join us for a pajama party
Patricia Garfield talks about The Dream Book: A Young Person's Guide to
Understanding Dreams ($9.95). Garfield discusses the dreams and nightmares
most 10 to 14 year-olds experience. She doesn't just tell readers what
their dreams mean, she tells them how to work with their dreams to lead a
better waking life. Most importantly, she explains what dreams tell readers
about themselves—how dreams can provide self-knowledge, help develop
self-confidence, and forge personal identity. Come dressed in your pj's and
make yourself comfy. Snacks provided. Garfield is the author of Creative
Dreaming
The address of Book Passage is 51 Tamal Vista Boulevard, Corte Madera,
CA 94925.
Telephone is: 800-999-7909
Directions at:
http://www.bookpassage.com/newsletter/mayjun02/12.html
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Do you know of interesting new websites you'd like to share with others? Or
do you have updates to existing pages? Help spread the word by using the
Electric Dreams DREAM-LINK page
www.dreamgate.com/dream/resources/online97.htm. This is really a public
projects board and requires that everyone keep up his or her own link URLs
and information. Make a point to send changes to the links page to us.
>>>> The Kristine Mann Library of the Analytical Psychology Club at the
C.G. Jung Center of New York
http://www.junglibrary.org/
Focused on the work of Carl Gustav Jung, the Kristine Mann Library is a
resource for Jungian studies. The KML, established in the 1940's by the
Analytical Psychology Club of New York, collects and catalogs books,
papers, journals, audiovisuals and other materials by and about C.G. Jung
and others in the field of Jungian psychology. The KML collection also
includes materials in related areas of study, such as Eastern and Western
religions, alchemy, mythology, symbolism, the arts, anthropology,
psychoanalysis and general psychology.
There is a special article/talk transcription on dreams:
Dreams: A Way of Listening to God?
I. Presentation by Dr. Gerard Condon
2. Response by Dr. Harry Fogarty
and Audience Discussion
Also very special, a database search of abstracts of C. G. Jung's Collected
Works!
>>>> Electric Dreams Articles Archive
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/ed-articles/
Where can you find hundreds or articles on dreams, dreaming and dreamwork
online? The Electric Dreams Articles Archive! Electric Dreams has
offered itself as a forum for free thinking dreamworkers since 1994 and you
can view the whole collection at the Archive. Search for your favorite
author's by name from Anderson to Zafren, or do a keyword search for
topics. Articles, interviews, columns on topics such as computer dreams,
apocalyptic dreams, dreamwork theory, Jung, Freud, Adler, Garfield,
Bulkeley. Explore lucid dreaming with articles by LaBerge and Gillis,
Gachenbach and Magallon. Look into psi dreaming events and theory. Find
out the latest ideas in dream sharing online. Be an Electric Dreamer and
stop by the Electric Dreams Articles archive.
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D R E A M C A L E N D A R
June-July 2002
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June 28 in Corte Madera, CA
Patricia Garfield Fri., June 28, 7:00 pm
Book Passage: 51 Tamal Vista Boulevard, Corte Madera, CA 94925.
Telephone is: 800-999-7909
Directions at:
http://www.bookpassage.com/newsletter/mayjun02/12.html
June 29-30 in Santa Fe, NM
"Dreaming Other Lives and Other Worlds", a weekend workshop with Robert
Moss. For more information, Contact Shirley at (505) 982 - 2158 or email
lizrdwymon@...
July 6-12 in the Netherlands
Annual Summer Kaplan-Williams Dreamwork Intensive
http://dreamwork2000.com/
Jul 20-21 in Orinda, CA
Class on "Dreaming as a Spiritual Practice," at John F. Kennedy University
with author Kelley Bulkeley. For more information, visit the website at
http://www.kellybulkeley.com/upcoming_events.htm
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An Excerpt From the Lucid Dream Exchange
By Lucy Gillis
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In the last issue of the Lucid Dream Exchange I interviewed co-editor
Robert Waggoner, for his regular column "DreamSpeak - An Interview with a
Lucid Dreamer." Turning the tables for the current issue, Robert has
interviewed me. (Nice thing about being co-editor is that I got to be as
wordy as I pleased...so, if you'll indulge a rambling dreamer, here we go!
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DreamSpeak - An Interview with a Lucid Dreamer
Robert Waggoner interviews LDE co-editor, Lucy Gillis.
Robert: So Lucy, how long have you been lucid dreaming? How did you begin?
Lucy: I've been remembering lucid dreams for almost 15 years now. I began
after I read one of Jane Robert's Seth books in which Seth said that you
could become conscious in your dream. I was fascinated by the idea and
wondered if it could really be possible. Then a few months later I did it -
spontaneously.
Robert: Tell us about your first lucid dream.
Lucy: It was very brief, and I became lucid only at the very end, seconds
before I woke:
Meeting My Inner Shelf
December 14 1987
A young woman and I are in a university dorm room, getting ready to go to a
lecture on Edgar Cayce, when all of a sudden the features in the room are
gone and the young woman has become sinister-looking. She is dressed in
tight black leather and wears an elaborate ornamental headpiece. She now
stands about two metres above me, holding a shining sword, raised and ready
to strike. I discover I am now tangled among thick ropes, pinned against a
wall, holding on tightly to keep from dropping. There is no floor below me,
only a dark void. I know that with one slash of her sword, the ropes will
break and I will fall into the nothingness below. She begins to chant
something Satanic; one word over and over. I look down into the blackness
and think "Shelf. I need a shelf." I release my grip and somehow know that
a shelf will appear below me. It does so instantly. When I land, I look
back up at the woman, with a slow triumphant smile. I know I'm dreaming.
She begins to vanish, like mist, as I open my eyes to purposely end the dream.
Robert: What did you think when you woke up?
Lucy: To say I was excited is an understatement. I was ecstatic! I could
feel a tremendous rush of excitement, like electricity coursing through my
body. At the time I couldn't adequately articulate the new sense of
freedom, and personal power I felt. It was almost overwhelming. I felt
transformed, awakened. I became more and more interested in dreams and
consciousness studies and began to read as much as I could on the subjects.
Robert: Did you know any other lucid dreamers at the time?
Lucy: No. Not one. But the Seth books were an incredible comfort and a
great source of information as I explored my dream world. A few years later
I read Stephen LaBerge's "Lucid Dreaming" and I was hooked even more! I
had no idea that there was a "name" for these conscious dreams and that
they had been be scientifically verified in sleep laboratories in England
and the States. Through the Lucidity Institute I met and corresponded with
other lucid dreamers and learned a tremendous amount from them.
Robert: What were your early goals in lucid dreaming?
Lucy: Well, basically just to get lucid! I participated in many Lucidity
Institute experiments and therefore at the time, my goals were determined
by the instructions in the experiments. As for personal goals, I did what
most other new lucid dreamers do; fly, walk on water, walk through solid
objects, change scenes at will, do outrageous things that I'd never dream
of doing while awake! (Pardon the pun.)
Robert: I recall reading about your use of singing to engage the lucid
dream - tell us about that. How did that get started?
Lucy: That started ten years ago. Again, I have to refer back to Jane
Roberts and the Seth books, but this time more specifically to Jane's
husband, Rob. In one of the books, I read that when he first began trying
out of body or projection experiments, he once found himself hovering above
his sleeping body but he couldn't seem to move anywhere. He noticed that he
could hear his physical body snoring and decided to use the sound of his
snoring as a way to propel himself away from his body. I thought that was
such a great idea! The next day I used his technique. Here is part of that
dream:
Skates Flapping/Singing to Fly/Remembering Rob Butt's Technique
July 6 1992
...I hop up into the air trying to fly. I get up only a few centimetres.
For some reason I am afraid to fly too high. I think of how I'd like to go
into outer space but I'm nervous of trying that just yet. I don't even want
to go higher than the buildings. I begin to sing "Aaah" as I jump. I take a
breath, jump, and sing again. I recall reading yesterday that Robert Butts
used the sound of his snoring to try to propel himself elsewhere while in
the "astral state." So I sing louder, and sure enough, I can fly higher. I
keep this up and soon I am flying down the street.... I sing "aaah" as loud
as I can, but know that my sleeping body is soundless. I can feel the head
and throat area of my sleeping body; it is motionless. I marvel at this
feeling of duality; my solid sleeping body not moving while my lighter
dream throat vibrates. I can't tell which throat is inside the other. At
this point I know that I can go on with the dream or wake. I choose to wake
so I can write this down immediately.
Now when I say I am moved by a particular piece of music - I really mean
it!! I use singing mostly for flying (I begin to sing and simultaneously
I'll rise higher in the air, and usually my control of flight becomes
better). But mostly I will sing about what I see or do, maybe to the tune
of a popular song, or a tune I make up. This sometimes helps me to remember
the dream when I wake. I won't always recall the exact words I sung, but
the images and events I sang about are easily remembered. Perhaps someone
versed in brain physiology could explain if this has any scientific basis.
I recall Stephen LaBerge wrote about his experiments with singing and
counting in lucid dreams and the corresponding brainwave patterns. I was
very fascinated by the results. I'd be interested to hear if there has been
any more research in this area. I hope to do more personal experimentation
with this. If sound can help me to fly, remember my dreams, keep the dream
going, what other things could it do? What about self-healing? Could
singing or producing particular sounds in a lucid dream stimulate healing,
or memory?
Robert: What kind of songs would you sing - rock, pop, show tunes, Gordon
Lightfoot ballads? (Note: Lucy is from Canada.)
Lucy: "The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down, of the big lake they
call 'Gitchie Gumee' ......" Whew! Good thing you can't hear me belting out
"The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald" as I type this up! I like some Gordon
Lightfoot - I admit it! - but I've never sung any of his songs in my
dreams. I grew up in the 70's listening to hard rock and metal, so I am
more likely to sing songs from that era. Judas Priest, Deep Purple, Led
Zeppelin, etc. are always great to soar with! Sometimes I will just hum, or
sing notes to the tune of a familiar song. For the requisite Canadian
Content, (Canadian readers will know what I mean!) I have flown, swooping
and soaring, while singing k.d. Lang's "Constant Craving." And of course
the "Hockey Night in Canada" theme.....!!!
Robert: I also recall that in lucid dreams, you felt that you might be
dealing with "probable" events? What do you mean by "probable events" and
what lucid dreams brought that idea up?
This could take a long while to explain, but I'll try to be as concise as
possible. Once again, I have to point back to the Seth books, for it is in
those books that I learned about probable realities. Jane Robert's friend
Sue Watkins had many lucid dreams of this nature, and it was in reading
about her experiences in Robert's book "Seth, Dreams and Projection of
Consciousness" that I got interested in this topic. (Several chapters were
on the topic of dreams and probable realities.) As a very basic definition,
think of a probable reality as a parallel reality. Almost identical to this
world but with some differences. Now think of an infinite amount of them.
Seth spoke of the probable field as one in which events are "rehearsed"
before they are materialized in physical reality - if they are chosen to
materialize at all. Those that aren't materialized here, are actualized in
another probable (parallel) reality. Of course this is not done at an ego
awareness level, but by the inner or higher self. (I'm really generalizing
here.)
Seth is not the only one to speak about ideas like these. Several theories
of quantum physics support this too; the idea that for every decision made
the alternate choices happen in other parallel realities. In other words,
you walk down the street and chose to go right at the intersection. In some
other reality, you have gone left. Any readers out there familiar with the
British Comedy "Red Dwarf"? Ace Rimmer (what a guy!) is a probable version
of Arnold Rimmer. The antics of the "Red Dwarf" crew often demonstrate
beautifully some of the more interesting theories of quantum physics; time
travel, parallel realities, multiple dimensions, consciousness creating
reality, etc. But I digress.....(however, in another probable reality, I
just keep rambling on about "Red Dwarf" and about how brilliant the writers
are, and how the episode with the dream recorder was so cool....!)
In some lucids I have met probable versions of myself, and probable
versions of family and some friends. It is kind of difficult to explain how
I know that they are probable versions and not just "regular" dream
characters. The dream feels different. It is just a knowing. Some probable
events are quite easy to spot. For instance, in one of my lucids, I
literally say that "we are re-doing the probability," as we (myself and
other dream characters) make slight alterations to the sequence of events,
to see how simple changes can affect the outcome. In another instance, I
watch as a building blows up, over and over again, each time I am in a
different place, and wonder if I will survive or lose consciousness "this
time."
According to Seth we enter the probable field all the time in dreams, and
that is how some events in our waking world get "created." We just don't
recognize that we do so. But in a lucid dream, we are much more alert, and
therefore, I believe, more likely to "catch ourselves in the act."
Whether Seth and some of the quantum physicists are correct or not, makes
no difference. These dreams are delightful and a heck of a lot of fun!!
Robert: Do you think that your interest in physics entered in here - or
anywhere else - in your lucid dreaming?
Lucy: Absolutely. I've always been intrigued with some of the philosophical
implications of quantum physics, particularly those that deal with parallel
universes, or probable universes and how consciousness creates reality. If
these theories are correct, (and I'd like to think they are!) then I feel
that consciousness studies is the next step in discovering what we, and the
universe(s) are all about. And what better way to study consciousness than
from within the dream state?
And as an aside, astronomy has always intrigued me, and since it is highly
unlikely that I will ever travel to distant worlds or galaxies, then from a
purely aesthetic point of view, lucid dreaming allows me my flights of
fancy (another pun to pardon) and the opportunity to see what the wonders
of the universe may look like.
Robert: Nowadays, what techniques do you use to become lucid, or is it most
likely to happen naturally?
Lucy: Most likely it will happen spontaneously, but some gentle suggestions
to myself throughout the day and just before sleeping have proved to be
successful too. And it doesn't hurt to reality check once in a while. I
can't count how many dreams in which I've done a reality check, out of
habit, and been shocked and delighted to discover that I'm dreaming! Trying
to read text or clocks is the usual check for me. Sometimes if there is no
text or clock nearby I'll try poking my fingers through walls - but a lot
of the time it doesn't work, so I'll assume I'm not dreaming. Funny, I
never try poking my fingers into walls when I'm awake, though!
Robert: What is it about lucid dreaming that intrigues you?
Lucy: That you can live in two (or more!) worlds at once. Consciousness
fascinates me. How we can dream in such detail, such wonderful scenes and
activities, never ceases to amaze me. As I mentioned, I believe that
consciousness creates reality. I feel closer to this process when lucid
dreaming. When I am lucid I feel as though I am about to be let in on some
great secret. When I awaken from a lucid I feel like I have accomplished
something very special. It is a real morale booster that leaves me
energized and in high spirits for the rest of the day.
Robert: Tell us about one of your most personally interesting lucid dreams?
Lucy: Since you brought up probable dreams, I'll include my favourite
probable dream below, as it appears in my dream journal:
The Probabilities Meeting
May 15 1998
[Order of events may not be correct. I am staying over at a friend's
apartment. I have many false awakenings, but always catch myself and
continue to dream lucidly.] I am in Mark's living room. I realize that I
am dreaming. I go out into the small hallway by the kitchen. I float and
fly up and down the small hallway, wondering what I should do next. I think
about going outside, but I don't want to go out in the cold morning air. At
some point I find a small round mirror and I look at my image and the room
reflected in it [I did not notice if the reflection was accurate], I try to
get inside the mirror to see what I'll find there. After a few attempts I
give up. Also at some point, a phone rings. I let the machine take the
message, knowing it is from or about someone or something named Fabula Caprila.
I look back into Mark's living room. I am not surprised to see two Karen's,
a few other me's, and one or two other people. I know that I am dreaming
and am seeing probable versions of people, myself included [from probable
realities]. I am not perturbed, when some of them pop in and out of
existence. I don't let the "non-linearity" or "non consistency" bother me.
I know that that is just an aspect of the state we are in. Then I am
standing on or above a large round table. There are at least two me's, and
two or more Karen's and multiple other people as well as a couple, a man
and a woman. The man and woman seem to stand out in my perception. I am at
a meeting, a probabilities meeting.
Expertly I quote from a Seth book, about learning to operate in the
probability system. In my mind I "see" the title of the book as "The Search
for Seth," but smiling, I remind myself that in "my" reality those quotes
come from a book titled "Seth Speaks." Some of the other people here,
would have "The Search for Seth" in their reality.
I notice that the couple are not paying attention to me. They seem unaware
that I'm here, or perhaps more accurately, unaware that they are here.
Glancing around the table I become curious as to how many people here are
aware that they are dreaming. I ask those who are listening how many of
them realise that they are dreaming right now. I am pleased to see a few
hands go up, pleased also to see a me with her hand up. The couple continue
to talk between themselves, oblivious to their surroundings. I am satisfied
that at least some of us are consciously present, and know that those who
are not, are still learning and participating here on at least some level
of their psyche.
At the "end" of the meeting someone falls. We seem to be in a conga line,
dancing and having fun. [Does the line represent our going back to a
linear-time based system?]
Then it seems I am waking. As I look to my right, [I am sleeping on a
couch] I see that the chair has different upholstery on it. Immediately I
know that I am dreaming. At another time I "wake" to find yet a different
upholstery on the chair, and again I know that I am dreaming. Once or twice
I "awaken" to find no chair, and again I smile to myself, smug that I am
catching myself each time. Once I "wake" up and everything looks as it
should. But I bounce up off the couch and pick a book off of the bookshelf
and try to read and reread a sentence. I'm thrilled and a bit surprised to
find it distorting, again indicating that I am still dreaming. Once again,
I "wake" and reach down to pick up a book in which to write out the dream.
I don't have my dream journal handy, so I will write on the back empty
pages of a SCI-FI novel I'm reading. I slide a bit back on the couch,
getting more comfortable. I know it's still a dream, as I have a pencil by
the book now, not a pen as I have in "real" life. Except for the pencil,
the room looks exactly as it does in "waking life."
I am enjoying this. It is like playing a game! Next time I wake for real,
pick up the pen and scribble out the dream in the back of the novel. [Could
the many false awakenings be symbolic of many probable realities - almost
identical to this reality, but with differences?]
Robert: What advice would you give to new or aspiring lucid dreamers?
Lucy: Never give up! Always honour your dreams - lucid or otherwise - and
never compare them to someone else's, or rate them as "poor" or "not good
enough." You are unique and no one can have the dreams that you do - it's
impossible. Some dreams might seem boring, or uneventful, but always
remember that with each experience of lucidity you are expanding your
conscious awareness and are growing with each new dream. As for just
getting lucid, don't try too hard. I found that when I put too much
pressure on myself I had the reverse effect and no lucidity would develop.
Gentle, but firm suggestions to myself that I would be lucid in my dream,
repeated throughout the day (plus some reality checking) and just before
sleeping seemed to work the best for me. Find or develop whatever technique
feels the most comfortable for you and go for it!
Robert: What plans do you have for the LDE?
Lucy: I have no specific plans at the moment, and am certainly open to
suggestions. But in general, I'd like to see LDE grow and flourish and
reach out to more lucid dreamers. It was my early contact with lucid
dreamers and then with LDE, (when LDE founder, Ruth Sacksteder was
publishing it) that greatly influenced and shaped my lucid dreaming
experiences and ambitions. I learned so much from others and am very
grateful to them all. I'm still learning from the readers of LDE. Lucid
dreamers never cease to amaze me with their creativity and unique
perspectives. I hope that LDE will continue to be a source of information,
guidance, and entertainment for fellow dream explorers, and a friendly
forum where dreams and opinions can be shared openly.
*******
Lucy Gillis grew up in Nova Scotia beside an ocean-fed lake in which she
spent many summers frolicking, floating, and daydreaming. She has a
Bachelors degree in astrophysics and worked for several years in the
physics laboratories in an agricultural college. She currently works as an
analyst for a scientific research company in British Columbia. When not at
work, Lucy can be found in pubs with her local lucid dream group (that's
where the best meetings are held!) or seated behind a very rich designer
dessert at Death By Chocolate, hoping that, if she's dreaming, she won't
wake until every last crumb is eaten!
(If you would like to be interviewed or would like to submit an interview,
contact Robert at
dreambob@...)
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The World Dreams Peace Bridge
As a Long-Term Journaling Project
By Jean Campbell
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When the first plane struck the World Trade Centers on September 11, 2001,
I was at my computer. "Turn on the television," came the post from a
friend. "A plane has just hit the World Trade Centers." From my vantage
point in front of the television I, like millions of other Americans,
watched in horror as yet a second plane flew into the landmark buildings.
Those of you familiar with my work on dreams know that, for the past
twenty-five years or so, I have studied the so-called "paranormal" realms
of consciousness. My first thought on seeing the second plane hit was,
"This is changing the course of history." My second thought was, "Oh
lordy, there are going to be a lot of precognitive dreams reported."
Back to the computer I went, broadcasting a message to the ASD Online
Bulletin Board, which I moderate, and to other online dream groups, that
people were welcome to share their dreams and thoughts about the disaster
on the Bulletin Board.
True to my prediction, the first dreams of the hundreds of 9/11 dreams to
appear online were the precognitions. So many dreams, in fact, that I
could begin to detect a pattern. A lot of these dreamers were totally new
to the world of dream sharing, and some of them were scared out of their
wits—not by the possibility of further terrorism, but by the implications
of the dreams they had dreamed.
After a few busy days of reassuring dreamers and helping them to join
online forums such as the ASD psidreaming group, I wrote an article,
"Dealing With Precognitive Dreamer Guilt," (available online at
http:dreamtalk/hypermart.net/campbelldreamer_guilt.htm ) which I asked
Richard Wilkerson to publish in Electric Dreams [2001, 8(10)]
In it, I talked about my own 9/11 precognitive dream, a snippet around
5:30 a.m., in which I stood in the control tower of an airport, watching as
an air traffic controller dealt with what was obviously an emergency.
The question with my dream, as with any precognitive dream, was what to do
about it. Obviously I had not averted disaster, nor probably could I have
averted disaster if I'd tried. So why did I have the dream?
I tend to believe that *all* dreams—lucid dreams, shared dreams,
precognitive or telepathic dreams—have meaning for the dreamer. In this
case, there I was, standing in the control tower, but only watching as
others dealt with the emergency. Why?
In early October, ASD member Victoria Quinton from Australia posted to the
Dreamchatters online group, a dream she'd had of seeing a single, lighted
candle.
My response was a childhood memory of watching Bishop Fulton J. Sheen
stride onto the black and white television screen, while offstage a chorus
sang the theme song of the Christophers, "If everyone lit just one little
candle, what a bright world this would be."
Following the initial outpouring of precognitive dreams after 9/11, I
could sense the growing frustration of the dream community. We might be
able to dream in advance of an event, but what could we possibly do to
avert disaster?
That was when the World Dreams Peace Bridge came to my mind. There are
many dream workers who believe that we not only perceive but *create* the
world through our dreams. What if dreamers were to become proactive rather
than reactive? To take "control", as my dream said? To light a candle
against the darkness?
In October I sent out around one hundred e-mail messages to dreamers, many
of them ASD members but also to family members, friends, and others, asking
if they would like to participate in an experiment to see if we could dream
up some world peace.
Because at the time I was deep into work on the ASD's Online Guide to
International Dream Work, I was blessed with the friendship of many of
ASD's international membership. The response to the idea of forming a
World Dreams Peace bridge was immediate and overwhelmingly
positive. Several people said they didn't have time for an online forum,
but wanted to be kept informed of other projects. At the same time, the
response from those who wanted to become part a forum to discuss peace
dreaming grew steadily, until it leveled out at around forty dreamers from
all over the world: Australia, the Netherlands, Finland, Sweden, Mexico,
Japan, India, China, Greece, Korea, and of course the United States.
Right from the beginning, this was an active group, generating well over
1,000 e-mails per month, delving quickly and deeply into feelings and
dreams. It did not take me long to realize that we had created something
unique to dreaming: an online, interactive, long-term group dream journal,
focused toward a particular subject, peace, but spreading ripples into all
other areas of dreaming.
Not unexpectedly, some of the members of the fledgling group had dreams
about the formation of a World Dreams Peace Bridge.
"When I mused on your invitation," Jody wrote on October 21st, "I had a
dream…surprise, surprise. Here it is."
I am talking with some people, dark haired beautiful women, I think. They
ask me to commit to the task of growing, harvesting and preserving a set of
heirloom seeds. I hesitate, thinking of the task and that I may not be so
successful with seeds as with plants. Big responsibility these rare seeds,
and I'm not completely confident of my skill to do this. Also, that it
will require a long-time commitment and patience.
But in fact I do accept the commitment, and receive a small, brown
envelope with seeds in it. On the package, it says: GOLDEN ERA. The name
of the seeds! But I immediately realize what I have been given and what my
task is: I have been given the seed forms, the "memes" or images of a
"Golden Era," the golden or high time of culture, and it is my job to
perpetuate these seeds, these memes or life forms.
By accepting the package, I accept the commitment.
"Here is a brief dream which I had the night after the September 11
attacks," Sandy wrote:
A closeup on the face of Beau Bridges. He looks directly at me (directly
into the camera, if this were a movie) and I know there is something really
important happening. He does something with his hands. It's out of frame,
and so I can't tell what it is…and then he raises his hand up, and he has
opened a lipstick tube. Once again, he looks directly at me, and then
deftly applies the lipstick. He smiles and I know this is really important.
"Here is what I make of it," she said. ‘Beautiful Bridges' (instead of
burning bridges, which is how I was feeling after the devastation). Here
is a really strong man. A man who can take charge. He has power, but he
needs something else. When he applies the lipstick, I think of it as a
metaphor for feminizing his power, and I reckon that this is exactly what
we need in these times."
Not only was the idea that we could build a beautiful dream bridge
impacting the dreaming minds of the people I actually, verbally contacted,
but it seemed as if it was impacting others as well.
One morning, as I was taking my usual walk in the park near my home, I
encountered a couple I often saw there. Moving quickly toward me, the
woman, Isobel (who is at best a casual acquaintance) said, "I dreamed about
you last night." By this time they were standing in front of me, the
embarrassed husband ready to run if necessary. "I don't know if you
believe in dreams," she said.
I encouraged her to tell me the dream. What she said was that my entire
house and yard were being remodeled and renovated. "And you know that
ditch by your house?" she said, referring to an old rail road right of
way. "That was all landscaped too, with a bridge and these beautiful gardens.
"I probably dreamed for you because I couldn't dream for myself," she said
as they began to walk away.
"Well, next time I'll dream for *you*," I replied.
Turning to face me, walking away backward, Isobel smiled. "But I don't
want no house and garden," she said. "You can send me on a world tour. I
want to go on a world tour singing!"
Of course, the World Dreams Peace Bridge was a place to talk about post-
9/11 nightmares. After posting a dream, one New York City resident said,
"These dreams are nightmarish when I awaken, but then I look forward to
working through them. I know that this is the way my brain is processing
all of this…. I am grateful for the opportunity to share with you all."
In early November, Jeremy wrote from Korea: "Just now, I lay down to nap
and dreamed I was awake in my study, and suddenly white dust, like thick
snow, started falling from the ceiling. I got up and went to the living
room and saw it floating down there too. I alerted my wife, who was
already aware of it, and she said we should get some masks. Our child was
in the house too, and suddenly I filled with fear. End of Dream.
"Obviously this was about Anthrax," he went on. "Death could come so
suddenly and soon. All the peace in my heart, that I've been carrying
several days now, was swept away by the catastrophe."
Members of the online group struggled with the idea of what it might mean
to dream the world into peace. There were some people who declined to join
the group, because they saw dreaming for peace as an imposition on
others. "I would no more want to focus on creating peace than I would on
creating war," one woman said. "Who am I to decide what other people need?"
I was glad when the members of the World Dreams peace bridge, at Rita's
suggestion, adopted the words from the song, "Let there be Peace on Earth,
and let it begin with me," as their informal theme song. George put it
most succinctly when he wrote: "I have known that piece for years and have
heard it in church. I used to think of it as meaning peace has to begin
with my being peaceful with others and working to make peace in the
world. Now I see it as even more relevant to our purposes than that.
"Through dreaming, we work through our own opposites or conflicts. We may
speak of this as working toward an integration of consciousness with the
unconscious, or working for peace within ourselves. These are the
opposites which, when resolved, create a harmony that is seen in mandala
dreams. When we resolve conflicts within ourselves through our dreaming,
we are more psychologically ready to resolve old conflicts of ours with
those around us in waking life. And so we work from our inner harmonizing
to our outer harmonizing to, we hope, being able to contribute to peace and
justice and harmony in other parts of the world."
This having been said, members of the World Dreams Peace Bridge set about
deepening their understanding of themselves and each other, even resolving
conflicts, when they came up in the group, in the spirit of a deeper
opening to the meaning of the dream. Not that this was easy: "I tell you,"
one member wrote. "If my personality had known what I was signing up to
with your Peace bridge, she probably would have taken a vacation instead.:)"
When I invited people to "experiment" with dreaming the world toward
peace, I meant just that. I had no idea what might happen in this group,
nor did I want us to go into it with preconceived notions. I must admit
though that I had some clues.
Years ago, when I directed Poseidia Institute, a consciousness research
organization, we devised a series of dream experiments called "Dreams to
the Tenth Power." Over a period of years, we asked several groups of
people, ten in each group, to dream together. We would give them specific
goals like, "Meet at a restaurant," and see who dreamed together.
Sometimes the results were astounding. From the reports of participants,
it was obvious that people who had never met in waking life could
accurately dream one another's waking physical appearance and share many
other elements of the dream.
Therefore, I was not too surprised when the synchronicities began to show
up unmistakably on the World Dreams Peace Bridge.
One of the earliest came when Jeremy, in Korea, wrote to a new member from
India, asking her if she happened to know a woman he'd met in India
earlier, someone he'd not heard from in a while. Not only did the two
women know one another; they were also friends and neighbors.
These were the delights of the sharing, while at the same time, this same
woman, Radhika, wrote from her home in India, near the border with
Pakistan: "Today, and this has been building, I am tired of this war. The
Taliban says that Osama is no longer their guest. Bush's picture is in our
papers every day—looking really important. Apparently the same terrible
lords that had Afghanistan under their control before the Taliban took over
are back in. These men had long tyrannized and destroyed Afghanistan for
their power. So what if there is music in the streets for a while? What
really is the fate of Afghanistan?
"Remembering Rita's outsider dream and feeling outside. Hmmm."
Beyond the synchronicities it manifested, this group began to dream
together. Symbols were tossed back and forth from one person's dream to
another and, occasionally, people shared the same dream.
"What I realize I am doing in this group is staying fully in the flow with
my authentic self," one person wrote. "…I am not censoring what my heart
chooses to discuss and say. I am staying open and present to the energy of
each person, and the group energy. I have not done this ever before in my
life in an ongoing group setting."
"I continue to be amazed by the richness of the threads in our tapestry,"
wrote another.
The sense of purpose among group members continued to grow, both in the
dream state and in waking.
In early December Sue wrote: "I don't really understand why the white
buffalo are showing up in my dreamtime, but last night I had another dream."
I had been walking through a museum of sorts, looking at all the exhibits
of animals and I remember a kite exhibit. We went outside to another area
that was kind of like a county fair. All of a sudden, I see this huge,
beautiful white buffalo standing there, just waiting to be touched! I was
so excited I said to my husband, "Look, it's a buffalo exhibit." And then
as we got closer I could see all sizes of white buffalo. Many were babies….
Though Sue, at the time of her dream, was not aware of the Native American
legend of the white buffalo, many others in the group were. After
recounting a vision from earlier in her life, Valley said, "I have always
felt that the return of the spirit of the buffalo meant the return of the
People. The return of the old ways that have been gone for much too long."
Many experiences like this continued to happen in the group, but the most
amusing to me was when the group energy seemed to spill out into the ASD
Bulletin Board. All of a sudden, in January, visitors to the Bulletin
Board began to post bridge dreams, dreams that had many parallels to the
dreams I was seeing posted to the World Dreams Peace Bridge. Some of the
Bridge group members then jumped into the discussion on the Bulletin Board.
"My feeling when I read about these bridge dreams," wrote Birdy, "is that
they were connected to the Internet, because a while back I had a teaching
dream that told me the Internet was a bridge." She went on to say, "I
found this list (the World Dreams Peace Bridge) through my interest in
dreams (but)…. It was when I read Jean's purpose for the list that I
became excited. It was not the word ‘peace' that drew me, as much as it
was the word ‘bridge' and the realization that this was a place I could go
where others believed in their abilities to dream a bridge to their world."
The apparent impact of the World Dreams Peace Bridge on the online
Bulletin Board was not the only "paranormal" result of participation in the
online group, however. Shortly after joining the online conversation, Pam
wrote: "Also, I wonder if anyone has noticed an increase in what I can only
call psychic activity since being on the Bridge?" She told about a friend
who had incubated a dream. Without knowing that the incubation was taking
place, Pam said, "I had a dream which referred specifically to the question
which I didn't know she was asking. My dream even included the first name
and the last initial of the person she was asking the question about."
In January, Bob wrote that he and his wife, Rita, both members of the
Bridge community, had shared a dream, "But this is the first time we have
ever dreamt directly related dreams at the same time," he said. "So, Jean,
is that an oddity or what?" Or what, I had to reply, since I have seen
this sort of mutual dreaming grow in any dream sharing group with which
I've been involved.
After a particularly amusing interchange in which Juhani telepathically
picked up that the dog represented in one of Jody's dreams was the famous
Belgian cartoon character Tintin, to which Jody replied that she was not
only a Tintin lover, but was actually of Belgian descent, Juhani
wrote. "Wow, what a surprise. Creepy. Tintin is kind of a Global Action
Peace Maker. If we ever get trouble on the Bridge…then comes his dog and
saves us." It was Juhani who suggested I might change my name from
Campbell to Dream-bell because, "You really gong-gong shake up people . :)"
After a discussion in the group about dreams of Monarch butterflies,
Yvonne eloquently summarized what seemed to be developing as the group's
philosophy in a post from Mexico: "We, as collective souls, travel and
‘migrate' to each other's consciousness. Some faster or deeper, some
slower or superficially….
"Butterflies do that: start as simple ‘worms,' but suffer a metamorphosis
until they are ready to share their beauty, touching each other's souls."
"Oh, golly," Donna wrote one day in April, this world is so much stranger
than I knew." And a day later, "Sometimes I think I could just live here
on the Bridge and ponder everyone's dreams and all our
synchronicities. But that doesn't do too much for my children."
It might have occurred to me, when I was first creating the Bridge, that
it would have a particular appeal to artists. People who regularly create
new universes of meaning with words or paint or cameras might not see an
insurmountable barrier in the notion of dreaming ourselves toward
peace. Still, I was surprised to discover the artists who joined the
group: several published authors, one of them winner of the coveted PEN New
England award for fiction; poets; quilt makers; photographers. The World
Dreams home page at Yahoogroups.com soon filled with art of all kinds—which
inspired further dreams and more art. Art like these wonderful tee shirts
some members of the World Dreams Peace Bridge are wearing tonight, with a
logo designed by Elizabeth Diaz. Profits from the sale of these shirts go,
in part, to women in India and Afghanistan who are working to help their
people.
One of the most impressive artistic projects to grow out of the World
Dreams Peace Bridge in the first year of its existence was a dance called
"The Crow and the Phoenix," choreographed by Valley Reed and danced in
April at the Cincinnati ASD Regional meeting.
This event had an innocent beginning when Valley posted a dream to the
World Dreams Peace Bridge group. She had spent the day making books with
her six-year-old daughter, Valley said, and she thought we might enjoy the
dream from which her book had been made. (It seems that Valley's daughter
has an entire library of hand-crafted dream books.)
The story Valley told was about a dream character, Annabella, whose best
friend was her umbrella. Old Crow takes her to the underworld, where she
almost forgets who she is until she is rescued by her umbrella and a
friendly Phoenix, who helps her recover.
It wasn't until one group member said this sounded like a dance that Jody
mentioned she had already been in contact with members of the Cincinnati
Ballet Company about the possibility of presenting a dream dance at the
Regional. She wondered if they could use Valley's dream.
No one in the group knew that Valley was herself a dancer who, at sixteen,
had been tapped for the Dallas Ballet Company; or that the ensuing weeks,
when Valley agreed to choreograph the dream and then dance the role of
Annabella in Cincinnati, would be a transformative process which had
several members of the Bridge group dancing in their dreams. The video
tape of that dance is available for viewing here at the conference. I'd
like to mention, as an aside, that the moderator of this panel, Cynnie
Pearson, has called the activities of a group, in which images are passed
between dreamers and between waking and dream life, arabesques. "The Crow
and the Phoenix" was an arabesque with arabesques!
Has the World Dreams Peace Bridge managed yet to bring peace to the
world? Obviously not. Jeremy wrote late in April, "The dilemma that the
conflicts in Palestine and India that you mention strike my soul as
well—against violence, and yet victim of it…(The ways of violence on both
side have begotten even greater amounts—like two drunkards fighting in a
ring, not even remembering who started it all, blaming the other entirely,
one thousand percent!). At wit's end, I turn back to poetry."
Nonetheless, the members of the Peace Bridge have attempted to attune
themselves to peace. There has been an exchange of news and ideas from
around the world. Sometimes I have heard breaking world news on the
Bridge, given with a personal perspective, before hearing it from the
media: the earthquake in Afghanistan and the recent assassination of Dutch
political leader, Pim Fortuyn, for example.
And the members of the World Dreams Peace Bridge have attempted to pay
attention to their dreams as if their dreams were of some consequence in
the world.
In December, due to the possibly precognitive dream of one member of the
Bridge, relating to terrorism, the World Dreams Peace Bridge held a
week-long meditation specific to that event.
One of the dilemmas of precognitive dreaming, as I have often pointed out,
is that if it is possible to use dreams not only to see the future but to,
apparently, *change* the future, then it is possible we may sometimes
change a future without knowing it.
We cannot really say that the terrorist act predicted by a powerful
dreamer might *not* have taken place without the intervention of the Dream
Bridge. We simply don't know.
However, what members of the World Dreams group *have* done is to take
seriously dreams which involve possible future violence, particularly if
several people in the group seem to be having similar dreams.
In the past few weeks, several dreams have been recorded on the Bridge,
talking about possible terrorist attacks in the U.S. later in the
summer. Rather than ignore these dreams, the members of the World Dreams
Peace bridge have agreed to maintain a daily World Dreams Peace Vigil
between the full moon of May and the full moon in June, a period which
includes the Summer Solstice, traditionally a time of powerful
energy. There is no particular form to this meditation, only that one
concentrate on bringing peace into the world. We invite you to join us.
And we invite you to join us online if you'd like. There are never too
many people to dream of peace. Just send an e-mail to
worlddreams-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.
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Flying Through Science Fiction and Fantasy
© 2002 Linda Lane Magallón
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Crossing the skies of Earth, dipping into an off-planet atmospheres or
piercing the reaches of outer space, humans streak and bob throughout the
annals of fantasy and science fiction. These are the amazing imaginary
voyages through the universe that we, the readers and viewers, enjoy, while
sitting on the side lines of these vicarious thrills. But where can we
experience first-hand the sensation of soaring and floating like Superman?
Simple. We can go on journeys out of our bodies and into the depths of our
dreams.
I've always found it fascinating how good fantasy and sci-fi stories mimic
the activities of the flying dreamer. Perhaps their authors were fantastic
dreamers themselves? Certainly, stories and illustrations make great dream
inducers. If you read and view with the intent to inspire flight, you may
well discover yourself aloft as you dream. For this sort of incubation,
please put aside your serious literature and bring out your summer reading
material instead. Paperbacks, comic strips or even children's picture books
can fuel your sleepy-time flights.
Okay, so how do you start? Well, by flipping through a comic book, you
might discover that Captain Marvel derives his ability to fly from a chant.
When Julie Evans and Ed Kellogg told me they use chants in their lucid
dreams, I decided to try one, too. Mine was much less complicated than
their rhymes, though. I stole it from the old Superman TV series. The
chant, "Up, up and away!" got me off the ground.
Superman style, streaking though the sky in a horizontal position, is the
most popular mode of travel for the flying dreamer. TV, movies, videos and
DVDs often feature this type of flight. However, it can be quite
intimidating for a newbie to go so fast and so high. Sometimes I'm asked,
"Does levitation count as flying?" Sure, it does! Hey, even Superman hovers
like a helicopter. So, if your first flight is but 1 inch off your own bed,
congratulate yourself. And if you haven't tried that style, I recommend it.
It's great practice in dream control.
In Randall Garrett's *Too Many Magicians,* Master Sean explains that unlike
a static spell, which imposes a condition, levitation is a kinetic or
moving spell requiring concentration, power and precision. Sean says,
"Levitation causes a tremendous psychic drain; the spell can only be held
for a matter of minutes." This reminds me of trying to hold onto a lucid
dream. Or a flight in a lucid dream. Dream flying may not be a physical
effort. But it sure exercises the mind muscles.
However, I'd like to dis-spell another myth. You don't have to be lucid to
fly. Arthur Dent, of *Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy* fame, first
discovers he can fly while he's visiting another planet. Non-lucid dreaming
is truly another planet! In *Life, The Universe And Everything* Arthur
happens to be racing from an exploding volcano. Dreamers often fly to
escape. The fight-or-flight reaction to fear is one of the most common
reasons for becoming airborne. Personally, I applaud my non-lucid dream
psyche for having the good sense to get me out of the reach of trouble, as
quickly as possible.
Later, in *So Long, And Thanks For All The Fish,* Arthur flies with his
friend Ms. Fenchurch. Unless you're a sociable dreamer, like I am, to dream
of flying with another is more rare than flying alone. But it becomes more
usual for dreamers who take the time and effort to work through their
nightmares and anxiety dreams. When you're not so caught up in your own
problems, you can pay attention to fellow flyers.
Zenna Henderson's "Francher kid" is descended from The People, survivors of
a spaceship from another planet which crashed on Earth. He can dance in the
air and make music without instruments. Dita, a full Earthling, is
developing the same sort of talent. Flying doesn't mean you will always do
it with grace. But, with practice, it can shift from an escape route to an
art form.
In order to get airborne, fantasy fiction often uses magic in the form of
devices. Sparthera, the thief, finds a levitation charm in "Talisman" by
Larry Niven and Dian Girard. Mary Poppins floats into her story by using
the wind and an umbrella. On TV, an amulet she found in Egypt on an
archaeological expedition, and worn in a headband, gave Andrea Thomas the
power of the goddess Isis. With it, she could summon the "zephyr winds" in
order to fly. Comic Super Heroes like devices, too. Dr. Strange's Cloak of
Levitation allows him to drift through the air. Green Lantern flies from a
power ring. It must be recharged every 24 hours at his namesake, the green
lantern, which was made from extraterrestrial metal.
The Fantastic Four got their super powers when they mutated after being
exposed to cosmic radiation in outer space. Two of the Four gained flying
abilities: the Human Torch and the Invisible Girl. The Invisible Girl can
levitate and render herself invisible by force of mind. The Human Torch can
turn his body into a living flame. Without such imaginative inspiration, it
might not occur to us that, in dreams, we *don't* have to fly in a body
that looks like its physical counterpart. But even when our dream bodies
are clones of our waking bodies, the conveyors of flight are many. Dreamers
fly in open-air space ships, in cars, in beds, in chairs, in inner tubes
and, yes, in costume.
Many flying comic heroes have appeared on television in cartoon form, which
permits those unique types of flight not possible in waking life. Computer
magic is swiftly catching up. But if drawings and virtual renderings are
not to your taste, there are literal examples available. The techniques
perfected on the physical stage (notably in the theater production of
"Peter Pan") and on the silver screen (using a moving backdrop) allow you
to empathize with live human beings.
Such a TV series was the *Greatest American Hero,* which ran from 1981-83.
Aliens in a UFO gave Ralph Hinkley a super suit to do the job.
Unfortunately, he kept losing the instruction booklet for the suit and
could never quite attain aerodynamic stability. Likewise, flying in dreams
is not always an easy task. And just because you desire to have a flying
dream doesn't mean you always can.
In Ray Bradbury's *Dark Carnival,* Uncle Einar is a member of a family with
psychic powers. When he flies into a high tension wire, Uncle Einar loses
his ability to fly by night. It's not unusual for a flyer to encounter
wires, cords, poles and other lines in the dream world and, yes, they can
hinder flight. Like the knee-jerk reaction to fear, the perennial potential
to fall and the difficulties in maneuvering aloft, obstructions along your
flight path are Kryptonite Factors of dreamland. Experienced pilots know
that obstacles and stormy weather can ground you. Temporarily. There's
always time to try again tomorrow night.
Fantasy uses magical means for flight or floats the fancy of emerging human
psychic powers. On the other hand, science fiction tries to provide a
grounded explanation of flight based on the known laws of the physical
universe.
Some sci-fi authors speculate that very light humanoids with enormous wings
would be able to fly on a planet with high air pressure and low gravity.
Writer Poul Anderson has carefully calculated the planetary specifics and
anatomical details of such beings in his novels, *War Of The Wing-Men* and
*The People of the Wind.* "Wings" by Vonda N. Mcintyre features
compassionate flying men. An all-female race of sensual space-faring winged
humanoids are found in Sandi Hall's *Wingwomen of Hera.* You may recall
Flash Gordon's birdmen from movies or TV.
Science fiction also hypothesizes that Terran humans might fly on such a
planet, using metal wings. That's the premise of George R. R. Martin and
Lisa Tuttle's *Windhaven.* With one-sixth Earth's gravity, wings could also
be used on the Moon. In "The Menace From Earth" fifteen year-old Holly
Jones flies in a volcanic bubble, two miles in diameter, that serves as the
air storage tank for Luna City. Her wings are very similar to that of a
metal bird and her process of flight, very much like that of a hang-glider
ride. Hang-gliders and airplane pilots often report flying dreams,
although, in the dream state, they tend to fly without any vehicle, like
Supergirl. Or the improved version of Wonder Woman.
Beyond planetary pull, gravity is nonexistent and no wings are necessary.
In Spider and Jeanne Robinson's *Stardance,* Shara dances to music in the
zero-gee environment of a space station as a camera catches her
performance. Later Shara and her fellow stardancers don space suits so they
can use the expressive aspects of dance to communicate with aliens.
Finally, they are transferred into creatures who are able to dance in the
infinity of outer space.
Images of free-fall of outer space may lure us into the future, but there
are quite practical reasons to fly, right now, here on Earth. In Robert
Sheckley's "Carrier" a crippled newspaper boy has the ability to fly.
Bed-ridden and handicapped folks have testified that flying helps
compensate for their immobility. *The Boy Who Could Fly* is a movie that
features an autistic mute. I know several people with mental problems who,
nonetheless, can fly in their dreams. For everyone, dream flying can be a
healthy vacation from the traumas and blahs of mundane life.
So, why not take a vacation trip in your dreams? In "Mana From Heaven" by
Roger Zelazny, Phoenix, the sorcerer, draws his powers to fly from a kind
of cosmic dust brought to Earth by meteorites. Fairy dust from Never Land
helps Wendy, John and Michael Darling to fly in the tale of *Peter Pan.*
But you can do Peter one better. Put aside your dusty daily concerns.
"Wonderful thoughts" are all that's needed to induce a flying dream before
you go to sleep.
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Digital Dreaming Series: Article & Research Data:
Computer Dreams
Digital Dreaming Series #9a: DATA : Selected Dream entries from July 2001
to September 11, 2001
and #9b The Digital Archetype: Discussions from the C.G. Jung Bulletin Board.
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9a The Data and Research
The Computer Dream Survey
http://www.dreamgate.com/computers was started
in 1999 and we have been collecting dreams about computers, the Internet
and digital objects ever since. Generally the posts requesting dreams are
pretty simple. Here is a sample:
"Are you having dreams about robots, cyborgs, androids, Borgs, robots or
animated machines? Are you having dreams of computers, programs that take
on a life of their own, dream experiences with keyboards and monitors,
printers or wires? How about dreams of the Internet, surfing, chatting,
interacting with others or online bots?
If so, we would like to have your digital dreams for our research project
examining the shift in culture from man to machine, organic human to
augmented humanoid, analog thinking to digitally mediated virtual reality."
However, some requests have been worked in with more speculative and
analytic papers, which are listed at the end of this article, and all are
available online at the survey site.
Listed below are the collections from July of 2001 through September 11,
2001. The 9-11 is such a strong psychological cleft in the collective
consciousness, I thought this date would be an appropriate cut-off, through
post 9-11 dreams are also going to be significant and I will publish those
in a later article.
Note that I am just listing the dreams here, without the extra survey
information. The raw data is available upon request, and includes
information such as age, sex, political beliefs, how participants spend
time off and on the computer and other information, which you can get from
looking at the survey.
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I dreamt I was chatting in the chatroom I usually
visit with the boy I usually meet there when I was suddenly with him in our
own p2p world like a grassy plain nestled near a dark forest. I dream like
I'm watching tv. I see myself disconnected and I was on the computer screen
with him. It was so cool and I wasn't shocked in the least...what does this
mean?
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Dream Title = chat
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Dream date = resently, a few nights ago
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = dreams about computers, explaining programs and
finding tasks difficult. The dreams are frustrating and I wake up feeling
frustrated and upset. The characters in my dreams that I am explaining
computers to, and who I am unable to explain them to, are the people I work
with. Everything is in colour, but the atmosphere is sticky. The computers
are old CTXs and slow. I am in the computer room I work in and I never see
anybody I socialise with in these dreams, just my colleagues.
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Dream Title = Frustrating Computer Dreams
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Dream date = For three weeks, practically every night
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Dreamers name = Elizabeth
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Dreamers Computer Dream = Talking to aman with my brother present about
which ISP he should use, me being more in tune with the internet that my
older brother.
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Dream Title = Internet Dream
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Dream date = A few days ago
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I remember sitting at my computer, it seemed all
very normal. For some reason my screensaver came on, even though I was
surfing a Dave Matthews Band site. The screensaver was the blackhole one
on the 60s theme of Win98. At first it was weird, the screen kept falling
into the hole the screensaver made. Everything was pulled into a certain
point that moved all around the screen. I felt my conscience get sucked
into the blackhole and I remember reorienting myself onstage at a Dave
Matthews concert. All fear aside I took up a guitar onstage. I remember
pure satisfaction and joy when I started to play and get cheers from the
crowd. Those feeliings multiplied a 100 times over when the whole band
came out and we had one huge jam session. The dream ended as the jam
ended. I woke up wide awake and still felt the satisfaction and joy. I've
never had a dream so complete and vivid.
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Dream Title = Dream Jam
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Dream date = in April 2001
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Dreamers name = Rusty
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I had a dream that I was already sleeping. I woke
up and quickly jumped out of bed. I hurried to my computer, which I always
leave on, and checked my email. I got a letter from someone special and was
extremely happy. It's happened twice and the emails were from different
people in each dream. It's weird but it's really the only computer dream
I've ever had.
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Dream Title = e-mail dreams
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Dream date = about a month ago
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = When i had this dream I was awake , it was like
"the Matrix" last scene the green numbers and black background was all
around me ...it seemed like a drem because was too real to be true my
roommate had the same visions
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Dream Title = The Matrix
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Dream date = 02/20001
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I am a lucid dreamer, and have had many
dreams that I'm in a video game. I consider this like a computer dream
because for all I know I could have been on CD rom in the game. Usually
it's just like a normal life situation with real people and settings, but
my goals are to avoid people chasing me, getting attacked by large bugs, or
just to survive.
One example would be when I drempt I was in this lady's house. It was
a two story home and I was in the bedroom at the time. It was sort of old
fashioned with pale pink coloring. I was trying to hide from the members of
the house, particularly the mom and trying to get out. I was afraid of
being caught, not necessarily of being there but because large wasps
(bigger than my head buzzing outside the window) and scary plants (which
were leafy, but the leaves were as rigid and sharp as razors) were outside.
I escaped through a window on the second floor to join 3 other players.
We had to avoid being stung, carnivorous plants and things. Our goal
was to reach either the river to take us to freedom and the next level or
to reach the safety of this large rock shrine surrounded by large stone
tiling in a big circle and around that about a 3 foot stone wall. It was
all light brown stone with deep carvings of things. This was like the
escape, if we reached it, it would end the game. We all reached the river,
but they were swept off struggling in the tides and I got scared and
climbed to shore.
More people after me still, the daughters of the house found me (the
one had dark brown hair and in a white flowing night gown and younger than
myself), so I started running to the stone monument. The hard part was that
it turned into a giant sort of maze, not big around me, but I had to run
along a certain path in order to get it to work and it kept turning and
spinning on me. I was watching myself and her in a third person view at
this time. The girl was as confused as I was and she was very upset with my
progress of course. I finally reached the center and woke up.
I think a lot of these types had to do with playing Maniac Mansion on
Nintendo. The game was fun and challenging but it was scary at the time
too. But now I equated my life with how I felt playing that game.
Sometimes I dream I'm in my own house and I have to avoid obstacles
for points, or obviously, if I get killed I only have so many lives, but my
goal is to live and get the heck OUT of the game. So usually I have to run
down the street to a certain point, but it's dificult to get there.
I have a lot of dreams that I'm in a war too, and I have to survive
and get rid of the enemy, but it seems to go in stages, one I was in a
trench and the next I had to clear a train of enemies so I could ride to
another area and that's pretty scary. That's usually only after I play
Delta Force Land Warrior too many times.
I hate these dreams though, I wake up and they seem so pointless,
like I feel very unocomplished and wish I had a deeper more meaningful
dream. Since the time of these dreams I have been on my own and going to
College for Massage Therapy and so I must have overcome some of those
obstacles my dream suggested.
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Dream Title = My Life Is A Game
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Dream date = I'd say it's been about a year since the last one
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = A dream about computers? Or how about a dream of
future films. Our movies today, how dramatic. Tomorrow our movies what will
they be displaying then? The screen locks the mind, the thoughts.
Technology advancements will show concentration, complete. A movie is a
real dream. Its when you want to know how its all going to turn out. A
movie displays yourself, all movies display what we want, what we are
thinking. How about a movie from all of us, a pure movie of the mind,
knowledge of One. What is this knowledge, it is always this anwser. You
want to see a movie where everything is true to the exact point to where we
are today, you will see this movie, after death. After complete
where-abouts of yourself. Where are you? Its in the movie. Who is this
'love'? Its in the movie. Only watch the movie.
The dream was one only in the future. It was a high tec, HIGH CONCENTRATED
film. Nothing else existed but the truth of our movie. Our movie was of
today, of our complete reality, our complete love.
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Dream Title = This Was My Dream
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Dream date = 7-30-01
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = i dreamt somebody was emailing very
gross and discusting emails over the internet!! i couldn't stop them... one
day they found out where i lived and murdered me
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Dream Title = scary dream
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Dream date = last night
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = In my dreams, everything is in HTML code, there
are no images except of this code, and there is no screen, it seems to be
floating around me (in this case, "me" is just my consciousness, I dont
actually see myself), on a white surface like there is nothing else behind
it, the code comes in different colours: blue, light blue, yellow, pink,
red, green, but most of it is dark blue. in my dream I seem to know that
what Im seeing is the design of the page I´ve been working on, and Im also
making the code somehow...
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Dream Title = suenhodeagua
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Dream date = all july 2001, alsmot daily
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Dreamers name = angelica
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Dreamers Computer Dream = i was surfing the net and then everything become
orange (color) then a flower bloomed from the monitor...
and then it wrote u are hacked... hahaha.. ( laughing)
this was really a dream..
but sometimes i really do not understand that it was really happenning or not!!
for example while chatting, sometimes i read something and continue on that
issue but the day after when i look at the history part there is nothing
about that issue!!!
i really do not understand..
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Dream Title = orange hack
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Dream date = 5 months ago
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Dreamers name = E.angel
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Dreamers Computer Dream = once i was dreaming that i talk on ICQ with a
friend of mine. i definitely remember some of the phrases which are of no
significance, though. just a small talk. this and that. been there done
that. but then suddenly i sat in my bed, fully awake, and stared into the
black monitor of my computer and thought "how the HELL can i chat on ICQ
when my comp is switched off?" and it happened three or for times in one
night. i realized i dreamed the whole thing about ICQ but hell it was so
GODDANM real!
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Dream Title = talk on ICQ
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Dream date = several times
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Dreamers name = NIque
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I dreamed I was sitting at my computer and
flashes of light like a ligtening bolt went across the screen.
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Dream Title = Lightening
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Dream date = month ago Tue, 7 Aug 2001 15:07:39 -0400 (EDT)
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = A while ago when I used to play counterstrike
alot and then go to bed. I had a dream about playing the computer game. I
thought that was pretty funny... At least it wasnt as if i was in the game
and it wasnt scary...
Um.. dont remember any details really...
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Dream Title = Counterstrike
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Dream date = A while ago....
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Dreamers name = BenJamer
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Dreamers Computer Dream = The dream started out and I was at my old house,
and my mom was like "Hank is missing" (hank is my brother). And she
pointed to like, the backyard and it was like that's where he had been
taken or something. So then all of a sudden he was back home and we were
in our house that we live in now, but he wouldn't tell us where he had
been. Then, I saw the place that Hank and a lot of other kids got taken
to. It was very bright. (i didn't actually GO to the place, i just saw it
in my mind in the dream or something) So then, Hank is missing again and I
somehow knew of this message board where these people hung out and they
were the people who knew about the place where the kids went. So i logged
onto the message board and I started reading some of the messages to try to
find out what was going on and then I got booted off the message board
(haha). So then I was looking around my desk and i saw light blue floppy
disks that had the label in the bottom !
right hand corner. Everything in my room was normal except for the
floppies and well, getting booted from the message board was kind of odd,
too. Then, after going to the bathroom to pee and drink some water (in my
dream), I woke up. I was very very very scared when I woke up and I was
worried someone was in my room and going to kill me. :\
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Dream Title = my brother is missing
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Dream date = a couple of days ago Thu, 9 Aug 2001 21
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = my dream was with an older computer.
i had flimed the switch on the moniter and an image of Jesus appeard
to me. it seems as if he tried to converse with me. he tried to connect me
with a dead loved one i belive. any idea what this means?
-freaked out
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Dream Title = the man upstairs
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Dream date = two nights ago - Fri, 10 Aug 2001
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I had a dream about the future of mankind. It
was very interesting. The dream showed that computers would completely
replace us someday. We would become obsolete. The computers could do
everything we do, even reproduce. The dream was not disturbing, but it
made sense in a weird way. I woke up wondering if the world would be more
peaceful.Nation
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Dream Title = Nation of Machinnes
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Dream date = about a year ago -2001
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Dreamers name = nonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I dreamed I was using a computer to change the
DNA inside an embryo. I felt very powerful because I knew how to make the
embryo code for a mermaid. In the dream, my fiance was begging me not to
do it.
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Dream Title = Genetic manipulation: mermaid
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Dream date = January 2001
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I dream about the type of chat I do: graphical
program called palace. In my real 'online' avatar collection, I use
mermaids. In my dreams, I'm really in this universe as a mermaid. I change
colors and shapes but I always have a tail. In the dreams, I don't know
the ppl I chat with, and don't recall too clearly what we talk about. I'm
usually just admiring my own form so much that I don't notice the
other "avatars" or people. Everything else seems "normal" except that I
know I am not really a mermaid. In the real chat program, everything is in
2-D, flat. In the dream, everything is 100% real, most of all, my actual
mermaid body.
I swim around in a swirl of shapes and colors, and am just plain
fascinated with the way I can move. I've been chatting in palace as a
mermaid now for years, and dreaming that it's real seems required. heheheh
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Dream Title = Digital mermaid
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Dream date = recurring, mostly when I can't really chat.
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I had a dream about just waking up in the middle
of the night in my bed, and their right in my face was a monitor screen
with a blue border just hovering just above my waist. On the screen was
white words and symbols that were shooting down the screen like in the
matrix but for some strange reason I my mind felt as though it knew what it
was displaying and the information was directed right to me.
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Dream Title = Hovering Screen
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Dream date = 9 months ago
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Dreamers name = Poysen
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Dreamers Computer Dream = it was a dream whioch contained a various amount
of boys which i hav fancied in the past
along wiv the guy i'm currently besotted wiv. the guy i currently fancy i
met on a school residential bout a month ago we did kiss and share beds and
i miss him and hav bin thinking about him sinsce the residential.i havn't
been intouch with this guy because he lives in america and i live in,london.
however
he was in my dream last night and he was in bed with me and the other
guys that i had previously fancied were sitting in the same hotel room
where me and i guy i currently like were in bed together and they weren't
saying or doing anything just sitting there surrounding me and the guy i
was in bed with whilst we were kissing passionatelt
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Dream Title = romance being watched over
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Dream date = yesterday 16/08/01
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Dreamers name = suki
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Dreamers Computer Dream = Someday I dream about I was in future 25 years
ahead in a school. I was pushed to that time or was beeing sleeping till there.
Simple building, all natural, with wooden chair and desks, but we used
watches with microprocessor and a polymer pad that simulates a desktop
and monitor. It rolls in watch as a button when we close it.
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Dream Title = 25 years in future with a watch computer
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Dream date = in beginning of this year maybe february
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Dreamers name = Ayorius
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I once dreamed I was in a game of StarCraft. I
still controlled the game but as a general would his troops, issuing orders
to individuals. We were Protoss, or at least they were. I'm not certain
what I was to them, an entity to be obeyed unquestionably. We won the
battle against the Zerg.
Recalling the scenario, they had the high ground, an excellent tachtical
advantage. They also outnumbered us, three broods to my one army.
Perhaps it's because my almost omnipotent role, being able to look at the
battle from a far and zoom in on individual troops, that won us the battle.
I don't recall 'feeling' anything. Just a sence that I must win and loose
as little as possible.
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Dream Title = StarCraft
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Dream date = Midday, a years ago.
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = As a fragment of a larger dream, I picked up
a TV remote control. I noticed a small video screen at the top, like a
calculator. I pushed one of the buttons and the remote unfolded into a
small computer, with arms and sections of keyboard and screen sliding out
from the back. I realized that some unidentified secret admirer (sort of a
stalker, but not really scary) had come into my apartment and modified the
remote into a computer. I was annoyed that my space had been invaded, yet
excited about the remote/computer, because it was really a nifty little
gadget. Japanese anime-porn began scrolling across the screen, which I
found a little distasteful, since my stalker had put it there, yet it was
titillating, too.
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Dream Title = Remote Control/Computer
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Dream date = about 4 months ago
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Dreamers name = Noel
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Dreamers Computer Dream = Am dreaming that I am trying to go to sleep but
can't until I shut down the computer. It keeps telling me that the system
is busy and can't end task/shut down. I "push any key" to return and am
very very tired and want to go to sleep....but it never will let me shut it
down.
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Dream Title = can't log off
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Dream date = month or so ago...
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Dreamers name = kim
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Dreamers Computer Dream = The dream consisted of me attempting to program a
glass of milk in a reality form. My methods of doing this were not clear.
All I remember pondering about the program was would the milk return a
value or be a void() function. I woke up screaming and in tears and sweat.
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Dream Title = void or return
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Dream date = around 3 years ago
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = dear sir
i have a big dream to learn c as a language i don't know any programing
language i would like to learn the c language i tried to learn it i bought
the visual c++ i find explain the language in english a little hard for me
but i tried but i failed can u help me i need need need very much to learn
this programing language help me please
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Dream Title = c/c++ visual c++
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Dream date = a long time
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Dreamers name = hassan
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I was sucked inside the monitor.I went into the
molecular level and traveled out into space,among the stars.i couldnt find
my star again. I was lost in space,drifting.
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Dream Title = the computer sucks
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Dream date = after eating a peyote button last night
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I dreamt that I was talking to "my grandfather"
on tha computer. And he spoke in native american language, he spoke in
oglala lakota. Which is not the tribe that we are from, and I dont speak
it, but I understood what he was saying to me though. He told me in lakota
to beware of certain white people.
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Dream Title = lakota
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Dream date = about a month ago
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I recently dreamt that I was swiming underwater
in a very dark,remote lake.I was swiming alone in the very early hours of
the A.M. I kept seeming to notice some sort of illumination coming from
deeper sections of the lake.As I would swim deeper in the lake to
investigate I would absolutely loose my sense of direction,not knowing if I
were going up, or down?I began to panic thinking I could very possibly
drown. In my hysterical,confused state I began to swim towards a
flourescent,soft light.As i eventually arrived at the light I discovered
that the face of Yoda from STAR WARS on a monitor.Yoda was trying to
explain to me the conection between the ancient sumarians and aliens????
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Dream Title = union-carbide reunion
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Dream date = 9-4-01 {9:45 A.M.}
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Dreamers name = Phil Van fleet
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Dreamers Computer Dream = "Before I went to sleep I had thoughts about the
waste of time sitting at the computer during graduate school." I dreamt
that I was at my computer working on my master's thesis and I lost a very
important piece of work, chapter 6. This chapter being the synthesis of
all my research. I was in a total panic. I kept searching in different
places and it would not come up. Suddenly my screen turned into this
panoramic view of a mountain and valley. I entered the screen. I was
somewhere in Europe and in another time. I headed toward town. I was on a
dusty dirt road. I knew this place! I became excited, the learning center
was here! I began to run down the street asking the citizens "Where is the
learning center?" I came upon the learning center, which had giant
red-clay pillars out in front.
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Dream Title = Learning Center
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Dream date = 1993
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Dreamers name = DreamTime
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I had a dream that I walked in to my boyfriends
office and saw a scripture from the Bible in big bold flashing letters on
his Desk Top. It said 1st Corinthians ch.6.
When I woke up I looked up the scripture and it seemed to be bit of advise
for some issues that were going on at that time in real life.
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Dream Title = Flashing Message
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Dream date = one month ago.
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Dreamers name = Josie
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I can hear high pitched frequencies, mind you, I
don't dream, haven't for years (they say it's dangerous, and can make you
schizophrenic or some other such nonsense). I do however sometimes have a
sort of daydream when I'm waking up, my imagination sort of run's away with
itself (damn it for having an affair with itself!!) and I have the closest
thing to a dream as I can get. So, the reason I told you I can hear high
pitched frequencies. One night I'd gone to bed and left my PC on, well,
later that night I woke up, and as I was waking up my little not a dream
occurred. I was in a building and I heard this piercing sound, but no
matter how well I covered my ears I could still hear it. It was MADDENING,
and nothing could make it stop. The building was grey and dark, and there
wasn't another soul for miles. A few of the windows were broken I think,
and I began to run. The noise was an alarm of some sort, something of a
warning. It had something to do with computers, IN the not a dream.
Something about crashing, and their were computers in an office that I ran
by. I came completely out of it when my feet slipped on the railing and i
fell hard on my behind. Note, I have a VERY strong imagination! If I
imagine falling, or flying, or moving my body will jerk, violently
sometimes. It's even happened during day-dreams at school. If I imagine
say...punching someone (I box), my arm will jerk. So I woke up and the
noise was coming from computer. I'd never noticed it before since I usually
have music playing when I'm at my PC. I just thought it was interesting.
I'd heard of people dreaming their alarm clock was a phone or something
else, but I didn't think this would happen in something that wasn't even a
dream. ::shrugs:: Perhaps not dreaming does something to oneself after all.
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Dream Title = The not a dream dream
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Dream date = Um...a long time ago
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Dreamers name = Amberlay
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I dream that my consciousness is like an
operating system and applications (like Word, Excel, etc., are like states
of mind or ways of dealing with outer reality. Most people use Microsoft
Word but there are many programs available to use. They are ways of
experiencing the world.
Comments: I have variations of this dream frequently.
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Dream Title = Mind As Operating System
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Dream date = 2001
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Dreamers Computer Dream = I often dream about downloading & saving files,
but in dreams, such things are often difficult...
Not quite nightmares, but close...
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Dream Title = File: Frustration
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Dream date = often
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Dreamers name = Anonymous
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You can participate by posting your computer related dreams at:
http://www.dreamgate.com/computers
References:
Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (1999 August). Research Request: Computer's in
Dreams : Pre and Post Internet Perceptions. Electric Dreams & Part I
Pre-Net. Electric Dreams 6(8).
Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (2000 March). Digital Dreams: The changing
(inter)face of dreams in the twenty-first century. Electric Dreams 7(3).
Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (2000 July). Digital Dreaming Series: Computer
Dreams II : The changing (inter)face of dream texts. Electric Dreams 7(7).
Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (2000 November). Digital Dreaming Series:
Computer Dreams III :: The Digital Shift in Culture. Electric Dreams 7(11).
Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (2001 January). Digital Dreaming Series:
Computer Dreams IV :: Dream Code and Decoded Flows. Electric Dreams 8(1).
Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (2001 May). Digital Dreaming Series: Computer
Dreams V :: Emergence of Digital Imagery in Analog Dreamers. Electric
Dreams 8(5).
Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (2001 June). Digital Dreaming Series: Computer
Dreams VI :: Digital Dreaming: Emergence or Replacement Imagery? Electric
Dreams 8(6).
Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (2001 August). Digital Dreaming Series: Digital
Dreaming Research Project: Project Goals and Considerations. Electric
Dreams 8(9).
Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (2001 August). Digital Dreaming Series: (7b)
Digital Dreams from March 2001 through April 2001. Electric Dreams 8(9).
Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (2002 March). Digital Dreaming Series (8a):
Data: Dreams from April 2001 to June 2001. Electric Dreams 9(4).
Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (2002 March). Digital Dreaming Series (8b): Uses
of Computer Dreams as Personal and Cultural Meaning Maps. Electric Dreams
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# 9b The Digital Archetype: Discussions from the C.G. Jung Bulletin
Board. - Richard Wilkerson
Various myths and gods have been suggested as a way to understand the
archetype that most deeply informs the emerging new paradigms brought out
by the Internet. Robert Bosnak has suggested Mercury, not only for his
relations with commerce and communications, but also his somewhat
adolescent, boy-like qualities, which were the first large group of people
to start surfing the Net.
My general intuition is that the digital archetype is a newcomer, or a
emerging archetype that has shown up here and there in history, but
generally has been lying dormant.
Initially I considered a god like Janus or other two-faced gods, but this
doesn't really get at my intuition of the digital revolution. Yes, it is
dual, but not really on and off, rather opposed faces. Also, there is for
me something beyond the discrete on-off that has become essential, which I
will address in a moment. Still, the digital vs analog issue needs to be
addressed.
The reason binary works so well in computer chips is that we can assign
a value to nothing or off (=0) and assign a value to something or on (=1).
Theoretically this forces the universe, at the level of the chip, into
discreet rather than continuous parts. True, we can build up to a point
where things become continuous again, but unlike our natural view of the
world, we start now with the *abstract* and build towards the
*concrete*. There is no reason I can see to theoretically exclude
abstractness from archetypal, (see for example Hillman's discussions of the
distance of Apollo) but I think that it might be better to see
abstractness, mathematics, geometry, grid-thinking as included a little in
every archetype's pantheon. Apollo has his own style of abstractness, and
Hephestos (tools) has his, and even Venus has hers (love of
generality), and so on. In this sense, abstractness is a grid-thinking,
grid-acting part or aspect of all reality, limited as it is. But when we
come to the point where our egos are stripped silly by the experience of
abstract binary networks, its is here were the abstract becomes unlimited
and we come up against the archetypal core and encounter something which I
have yet to hear anybody name, there is just shaking and trembling.
What shakes out is the new archetype's pantheon of sub-gods, demons,
satyrs, saints and minions which are more visible and approachable. Here I
see generally the unique realm of the digital *virtual*.
Virtual? Lets make this simple first. You and I decide to play tic-tac-toe
without a board, just in our minds. We can do this by agreeing on the same
protocol, calling the rows 1-3 and the columns a-c. We play in virtual
space. In fact, it could be said that the virtual exists where any
distributed set of rules can interact. And we don't even have to have all
the rules be the same. The Catholic Church creates an immense virtual
reality, a realm in which people can immerse themselves in a kind of
shared-imaginary. Once seen this way, we can see that the virtual is a
kind of mutual imagination that exists everywhere. With computers, we
simply have a computer mediated virtual reality. But there is something a
little different….
So let's assume for a moment that the digital virtual is this new
archetypes realm. (or the digital virtual realm is a sub-realm of the
god/dess of Virtuality) . Taking a quick tour of this realm I see:
-- The original and the model coincide like they never have before. With
other gods, the birth of these children give to the universe, for better or
worse, something new. In the virtual digital world, everything is based on
digital discreetness and therefore duplicatable down to the last byte.
Hence this Deity shakes up and puts fear into capital enterprises that are
based on duplication and its control - as we have seen in the music and
movie industry. There is no difference between child one and child one
million and one.
-- For humans, bless our lost souls, this means we will be spending more
and more time with models of reality rather than reality itself. This has
already happened in fact, as I'm sure someone will call me on this and say
"What do you mean by reality?" We no longer can agree on this, its lost,
distributed across the globe so that each individual must decide for
him/herself. But the self has itself become divided, seen as polyvocal,
heterogeneous, a swarm of identities, many of which contradict and conflict
with one another. It takes tens of thousands of dollars per person to get
them through analysis and resuscitate an alignment with the Self. And so
each person has multiple realities as well. Like a fractal bomb, the
division of the self into multiplicities is accelerating towards the speed
of light. Soon speed itself will become a value and the society will spin
into orbit. It already has in many sectors, as we can see in the global
economic restructuring that is laying old empires to rest and replacing
them overnight with free market competition.
No reason to morn the loss of humankind, the Virtual god loves this. Money
is abstract and turns all values from quality to quantity. Everything is
valued according to its market value. Libido is stripped from the tribe,
from the family, from the king, the pharaoh, the gods, the soul and recoded
on the back of capital. Once abstract, it can flow in digitally mediated
reality.
I don't want to sound like this is a Marxist critique. This capital
stripping of values means I don't have to do what my father did, and I
don't have to believe what my family believes and I don't have to worship
the gods my city worships. My point is rather that this Virtual archetype,
this Digital Deity, will be gathering up the pieces torn asunder and
re-distributing them across a new horizon, one that is going to look quite
different than the world we were used to. In this sense, Jungians and
dreamworkers are in the right place as the right time to take on the new
tasks of living in virtual reality. It will be more like a dream world.
Object and subject will collapse and everything, everything, will be
interactive. Just as all parts of the dream may be seen as parts of our
Self, or self, all parts of the new digitally mediated world will be parts
of selves as well.
Don't be fooled by watching the news and hearing how the society can
control the Internet. Napster was an archaic attempt that had one foot in
the digital virtual and one foot in the old regime. As long as there is
one foot in the old regime, it can be cut off. The new paradigm will be
more like Gnutella based programs that exist *only* in cyberspace, doing
what they do with little recourse to any particular computer, any
particular person, any particular group.
And this is a key point of the new archetype, that there is a distribution,
an explosion, an infection, a deployment, an unchecked reproduction of
binary machines that have no functional connection to biologically based
life what-so-ever.
From a Jungian point of view, we might say that not only have signs won
out against the symbolic, but now no longer need the creatures that gave
birth to them. The swarm of signs that were originally produced by the
earth, by the societies that rose up out of the earth and on the earth,
have now reached such a velocity that they have taken orbit above and
beyond the human.
Again, we panic as body, flesh & blood based creatures. This is almost like
a taboo that we cannot look directly at. But then one could never look
directly at the core of an archetype and survive.
But lets assume that the Self does know, and not only ~looks~ directly at
the core, but continually ~aligns~ the core of the Digital Virtual
archetype, along with all the others, to itself. And if so, that our
dreams are continually playing with this digital evolution.
It is interesting to me that computer dreams ~don't~ seem to follow the
statistical pattern of traditional machine dreams. Content analysis of
dreams shows that we typically have problems with machines in dreams. For
all that machines have done in raising our standard of living, one would
think we could be more grateful. But this isn't so, and we can't get our
cars to steer right, our brakes to work, our phones to connect to the right
people, our light switches to work. It's as if there were some kind of
basic antagonism between what the dream-ego expects and the real path of
the dream when it's about machines. Perhaps as Jung is often quoted as
saying, we just went too far, too fast in developing our tools for
controlling the outer world, and there is some kind of immense inner
compensation that occurs in dreams.
And yet, with computer dreams, one just doesn't see the incidence of
conflict that occurs in machines in general. Oh, they are there, and they
are regular, but far less than other machines, and far less than machines
that work so much better than computers!
The tendency with computer dreams is to see them as a vehicle for transport
and communication, as a fellow being with an identity, as a screen through
which we might change dimensions.
And so, in terms of the big picture and the archetypal pressures and forces
at work with humans and the digital virtual revolution, I almost want to
align myself with the odd ball UFO groups that see, (on a symbolic level
anyway) that *something* big is about to happen to mankind. I almost want
to take up with the digital elite that see the whole world, even material
world, as code, and once de-coded, converted into digital format. I almost
want to join with the cyber-enthusiasts that see the economy shifting from
real-estate to virtual-economy.
Almost. I sure thought that the cyber-feast would continue thought 2004
and I got caught sort when it didn't. Things don't evolve smoothly, but
more in discontinuous leaps, both forward and back. The time-table now for
the full ascendancy of the Digital Virtual deity is pushed back for me by
decades, many centuries, from where it was for me in 1999.
And as Jung has pointed out, there are some problems with signs, and
therefore with abstractions, and discrete quanta. They tend to be
soulless, to be a bi-directional item that points to something beyond
themselves on one hand, and are motivated by where they came from on the
other. They don't care much about us, and they have their own destinies.
Much like the replicants in the movie "Blade Runner". The androids looked
and acted like humans, but they admitted that they had other plans; to live
in places humans had no interest or possibility of living, and of creating
things beyond which humans had no interest or possibility of creating.
It's not at all clear to me where my own alignment is. Stick with
flesh-based, slow brain thinking that is very muddy, or upload myself into
android with a quantum brain or network of virtual identities and take part
in the birth of a new paradigm?
In my dreams, my computers are replacing other objects. And so too this is
occurring in the general populous. Just as cars replaced horse and buggies
statistically in dream imagery, the digital objects will replace objects
with which we have less attention and time.
What is the dream saying to us through and about these new objects and the
digital revolution? I don't have an answer that deeply satisfies me yet,
either personally or for the large culture. This is all part of the
continuing study of dreams and computers, but also the continuing struggle
to keep the human as an important model, if not an important concrete
reality, in the virtual realm.
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Notes:
1. Re: computer dream statistics: these are just my eyeball view of the
stats and gross over-generalizations - see the raw data for your own
conclusions. See
http://dreamgate.com/dream/computers/about.htm
2. I was just kind of thinking out loud, and so ravished many people's
ideas. I wanted to include here some of these: Carl Jung, Sigmund Freud,
Gilles Deleuze, Felix Guattari, Jean Baudrillard, Ray Kurzweil, Henry
Bergson, Stephen Aizenstat, Jayne Gackenbach, G. W. Domhoff, Patrica
Garfield, Robert Bosnak.
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Where is the Global Dreaming News?
Now at the beginning of Electric Dreams!
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New Series begins with
dream-flow@... Digest #1 09/29/2000
This issue includes volume #468 - #502
Hello and welcome to the DREAM SECTION of Electric Dreams.
This section is edited by Elizabeth Westlake and the DreamEditor, a
software creation of Harry Bosma, author of the Dream interpretation and
journaling software "Alchera".
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Please note that we print these dreams as they come to us and that means we
do not correct the spelling. Some dreamworkers find these spelling mistakes
a great window on the dream and dreamer.
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Message: 468-001
Subject: (unknown)
Hi. My name is [name removed] and my boyfriend wanted me to find out about
a dream he had. He had a dream that I smiled at him and my teeth were
falling out. Most of them were gone and the others were crumbling out of my
mouth. Please write me back and tell me what this means. Thank you.
[name removed]
comments: 469-001, 469-002
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Message: 468-002
#ed.note: message removed – non-dream post#
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Message: 468-003
#ed.note: message removed – non-dream post#
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Message: 468-004
Subject: Sea of waterlike energy
dream_title: Sea of waterlike energy
dream_date: june 151997
dream_text: Looking at a Sea of waterlike energy while on a cliff. A
Aquatic Humanoid stands beside me and tells me to dive in. Once doven in I
see aquatic creatures of past and present, when I sight a Black Sphere in a
cluster of coral. I come to the surface where he awaited me. I was dry and
laid the coallike sphere on the gagged ground before the Aquarian. The
object levitated and burst into a electic rage all of which absorbed into
me and filled me with a strange power that I could not control yet. Four
more did apear Around me one of fire, wind ,water, and one of white light
all of which I at 22 years of age can't explain to this day.
dream_comments: All I ask is an explination to my dream if at all possible
comments: 469-003
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Message: 469-001 [468-001]
Subject: Re: (unknown)
I have heard (but I don't remember where) that dreams of teeth falling out
can signify a feeling of loss of control, but this usually refers to the
dreamers own teeth. Don't know if that helps any, but that's what I know
about the subject.
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Message: 469-002 [468-001]
Subject: comment on the teeth dream
I have had some dreams myself that are like the one your boyfriend had,
[name removed], but I always interpreted them as being a simple fear that
is being repressed or maybe just isn't being confronted the way it should
be. I think that maybe the fact that your teeth fell out in the dream were
that maybe your boyfriend is worried about a personal habit of yours that
he's afraid might have long term effect on you, like biting your lip or
something, and he's afraid to talk to you about it. It could also be
something silly. Maybe that day you ate a lot of candy or drank a lot of
soda and in the back of his head he was a little nervous but in his
conscious mind he didn't think anything of it. Dreams are very strange, and
the set meanings to parts in dreams sometimes don't apply. It all depends
on the dreamer and what caused the dream.
[name removed]
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Message: 469-003 [468-004]
Subject: Re: Sea of waterlike energy
It is common dream lore that water means life, or new life. The black
sphere could have been something good or bad, because dreams tend to go
"opposites" on you at times, but either way I think it may have been some
kind of premonition, or warning. I myself have a tendency to dream
something and then it happens, but I believe that when a person premonizes,
they're either comforting themselves or warning themselves. A woman who
premonized about a rather memorable train wreck told me once that the
psychic part of the brain we all have, but whether or not we use it is what
makes a person a psychic. I think your dream meant that at some point in
your life, you're going to have a change, perhaps where you will be in a
position of "power". I'd imagine you'd probably get a major promotion at
work, but then again I don't know you, it could be something completely
different. But what the dream was trying to tell you was that no matter how
good that power feels, don't let it consume you, otherwise you might abuse
it. Abused power can result in a lot of pain and conflict, and eventually
the abuser gets what's coming to them. I think your dream was comforting
you because you may have been at a weak point in your life, but at the same
time it was warning you.
[name removed]
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Message: 470-001
Subject: Yosemite Sam and the demon girl
dream_title: Yosemite Sam and the demon girl
dream_date: 1998
dream_text: I am sleeping in my room during a thunderstorm. A girl breaks
through my window with a knife saying I'm going to die. The thing that
really scared me was that she was half-girl half-bloody skeleton! All of a
sudden Yosemite Sam jumps up from under my bed and scares her away!
dream_comments: I woke up screaming and crying. I was six at the time and I
still remember it.
Comments: 470-003, 472-004
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Message: 470-002
#ed.note: message removed – non-dream post#
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Message: 470-003 [470-001]
Subject: Re: Yosemite Sam and the demon girl
You know, I dreamed something like that last year. I was in bed in the
dream, thinking I was awake, and I was moaning about a guy I liked, when
this really short dwarf-like man in armor threw a dagger at me and it hit
the board on the bed right above my head. He was very angry and I think he
was yelling something about my future that might have involved the
apocalypse but all I remember about what he said was that it was something
I didn't believe in. While he was yelling, a robot strongly resembling R2D2
walked up behind him and was nidding in agreement that he should kill me or
something. Then right behind him came this person who I think was a man and
he resembled a Buddist monk. The monk agreed with the dwarfman too but it
seemed like he was in a way trying to help me, like he was stalling the
dwarf for a while. Then the monk led all of us into a room full of
television security monitors, and the monitors were showing my previous
dream that night. That particular part that we walked in on was me dancing
like an absolute moron. The Buddist monk guy said, "Look, there's [name
removed] 'shaking it' ". After I sat down to watch whatever was on these
monitors, suddenly I forced to glance at the dwarf, as if it were against
my will, mind control or something. I don't remember much else about that
dream except that on the way to the room with the monitors, we passed an
island party with women in bikinis. I suddenly felt a strange urge to dance
with the women, but when I did the Buddist monk grabbed my arm and yanked
me away so fast it felt like it were real. It was really weird. I just
thought I'd share that with you because your dream seemed to strike a cord
and remind me of this one in spring 2001.
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Message: 470-004
Subject: roaches
dream_title: roaches
dream_date: 5/17/02
dream_text: I keep dreaming that I put a bunch of seeds in a glass jar with
water. After about a half an hour on my clock in my dream, the seeds turn
into roaches and i put a book over the jar's top because i'm afraid that
all the roaches will come out of the jar. Finally i put the whole jar in
the garbage and throw it away.
dream_comments: What does this mean?
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Message: 470-005
Subject: The Collapse
dream_title: The Collapse
dream_date: October 1998
dream_text: The first part of the dream was more vague as to my exact
activities and the characters. I was at a church meeting where some of the
elders were trying to get me out, it was clear they wanted to shut me up. I
was threatening to the leader, an evil man. I was trying to expose him for
what he was. There was a young woman also involved helping me. The focus
shifted and I became aware that all of earth's systems both man-made and
natural were collapsing, implosions. The sky had gone dark as night. I
recall looking at the sky and feeling shock and a lump of fear in my throat
as I looked around me and wondered wh
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