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November 2002
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C O N T E N T S
++ Editor's Notes
Special Issue: N.I.G.H.T.M.A.R.E.S
++ The Global Dreaming News
Events - Updates - Reviews - More
From Peggy Coats - www.DreamTree.com
++ Cover Artist: Shawn Sao
"Atomic Triplicity"
++ Column: An Excerpt From the Lucid Dream Exchange
By Lucy Gillis
++ Article: How Are You Sleeping?
By Linda Lane Magallón
++ Article: To Spin A Twisted Tale
By Tony Elliott
++ Article: A Report On The World Dreams Peace Bridge
By Jean Campbell
++ Article: Virtual Reality Dreaming: Wave of the Future?
By E. W. Kellogg III, Ph.D.
D R E A M S S E C T I O N : Volume #570 - #579
With Elizabeth Westlake and Harry Bosma
D E A D L I N E :
November 13th deadline for December 2002 submissions
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Welcome to the November 2002 issue of Electric Dreams, your portal to
dreams and dreaming online.
If you are new to dreams and dreaming, please join us on
dreamchatters@yahoogroups.com and we will guide you to the resources you
need. To join send an e to
dreamchatters-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
News about the News: Besides the regular events and calander that Peggy
Coats gathers for us each month, the Global Dreaming News has a special
Annual Web Site Updater, with links sent in to us over the year (Halloween
to Halloween usually).
If you have news items about dreams and dreaming for Peggy, send them to
her at
web@...
Lucy Gillis offers a selection from the Lucid Dream Exchange this month on
sounds in dreams. This month's excerpt is a description of some musical
lucid dreams experienced by Ralf Penderak.
Linda Lane Magallón explores the classic REM theories to find the best
conditions for you to get in some good sleep and dreaming. Be sure to read
"How Are You Sleeping?" and get a good night's rest.
Tony Elliott has been plagued by many nightmares over the last few years
and turned the experience into a story. In "To Spin A Twisted Tale" Tony
shares a piece of this story in poetic form.
How can dreams and dreaming contribute to world peace? Jean Campbell
summaries a year of experimentation by a group that meets regularly on the
worlddreams discussion list. Be sure to read "A Report On The World Dreams
Peace Bridge" and join in the effort to bring peace to all humankind.
For decades Ed Kellogg, Ph.D. as been researching alternative dream
modalities and bringing the dream community up to date on advanced
theoretical studies in these areas. In "Virtual Reality Dreaming: Wave of
the Future?" Ed explores what impact the cultural saturation of VR may have
on our dreaming life through a lucid dream he had that was about simulated
reality.
The Dream Section, wonderfully edited by Elizabeth Westlake with the help
of Harry Bosma's programming, is full of dreams sent in to us over the last
month. Dream Markets, flying, sex, strange weddings and more await you in
the Dream Section!
If you have dreams you want published, don't send them to Elizabeth
directly, but rather enter them in the form at
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/temple
Or you can put them in the dream flow directly by subscribing
to:
dream-flow-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
We don't send the cover with the e-zine, but you can view, download and
print up a copy anytime at:
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/ed-covers/
Cover artist:
Shawn Allen O'Neal is a visual artist and musician residing in Oklahoma.
His work ranges from pencil and ink, oil painting and portraiture, collage
and manipulated digital photography to audiovisual installation works and
performances. email:
saosd@...
Please read more about the wonderful cover this month in "Atomic
Triplicity" below.
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For those of you who are new to dreams and dreaming, be sure to stop by one
of the many resources:
http://www.dreamtree.com
http://www.dreamgate.com/electric-dreams
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/library
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Next Month: Anthropology and Dreams. Deadline for articles, Oct 11th.
Send to
rcwilk@...
-Richard Wilkerson
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If you have news you'd like to share, contact Peggy Coats,
web@.... Visit Global Dreaming News online at
http://www.dreamtree.com/
This Month's Features:
NEWS
- Dreaming Beyond Borders
- Awaken to the Wisdom of Dreams
RESEARCH & REQUESTS
- Dreams of Wondrous Joy
- Aggressive Womens' Dreams Needed
- Dream Team TV Show Needs Dreams
- L.A. Dreamers Needed for TV Show
WEBSITE & ONLINE UPDATES
- Annual Dream Link Update
Tons of new Dream Sites!
DREAM CALENDAR for November 2002
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>>> Dreaming Beyond Borders: The Transformative Power of
Dreams, November 2 and 3, 2002, John F. Kennedy University
Orinda, California
A Regional Conference of The Association for the Study
of Dreams Sponsored by the Dream Studies Certificate Program,
Graduate School of Holistic Studies
Through the ages, dreams have been a source of
creative inspiration, personal growth, problem solving
and spiritual insight. While the twentieth century was
marked by important discoveries about the unconscious
and the dreaming mind, the turn of the millennium is
giving us the opportunity to reflect and envision a
new dream for the advancement of human consciousness.
What archetypes are embodied at this historical moment
and what transformations are possible through dreams?
Could dream awareness lead us to global peace? How
might dreams be a catalyst for social change? This
conference will address these important possibilities. For complete
conference information, including presentation descriptions, call
925.258.1822 or visit www.ASDreams.org/2002orinda. One-day registration
fees for either Saturday, November 2 or Sunday, November 3 are: $125
General, $100 ASD Member, $75 Student, $60 ASD Student Member. Two-day
registration registration fees are: $225 General, $180 ASD Member, $135
Student, $110 ASD Student Member. To register by phone, please call
925-254-0105. To register by mail, visit: www.ASDreams.org/2002orinda to
download and print a registration form.
>>>Awaken to the Wisdom of Dreams
Saturday, November 2, 2002, 9:30am-4:30pm, Emory University
Enjoy a day of dreaming with some of the foremost leaders in the field of
dreams. Be part of the first Southeastern event co-sponsored by the
Association for the Study of Dreams and the Center for Lifelong Learning at
Emory University
A Learn to use your dreams for a deeper self-understanding, leading to
greater life fulfillment.
A Explore the use of dreams throughout history.
A Examine creativity and problem solving through dreams.
A Discover how dreams can aid health, healing, personal growth and guide
you through life's passages.
A Experience a dream group and learn to make meaning of your dreams.
A Enjoy a selection of books on dreams which will be available for sale.
To secure a place, register soon!! Register on-line (secure) at
www.emory.edu/eve (Master Card and Visa), by phone at 404-727-6000 from 9-4
(EST), or mail in registration form. $80 complimentary lunch (vegetarian,
too) $65 for ASD members (join at ASDreams.org) You will be notified of
conference location after registration For more information contact:
Justina Lasley at
DrmKpr@... or 233 South Plaza Court, Mt. Pleasant, SC
29464 Tallulah Lyons at
blyons@... or 3082 Old Cabin Lane,
Smyrna, GA 30080
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>>>Dreams that Have Inspired Wondrous Joy
I am gathering descriptions of dreams by a dream conversation, an
awe-inspiring setting, a melody, a beautiful painting, or a joyful
encounter with an animal. Your dream may have inspired wondrous joy through
a delicious taste, a soul-energizing touch, a scent that overwhelms you
with delight, a sound that soothes ... a color that enchants you ... Fully
describe your own and others' feelings during the dream. Please include
permission to use your dream descriptions in my research and writing
projects. I also need your age, gender, race, nationality, and if possible,
the background events and feelings that preceded your inspiring dream. I
don't need your name and identifying information will be changed to ensure
anonymity. One of the additional purposes of this research is to provide a
source of inspiring dream images fro artists, writers, musicians, dancers,
etc. Contact: Karen Boileau
dreamofjoy@... . Karen F. Boileau, M.Ed., is a writer, community
education instructor, dream counselor, and workshop facilitator. Karen has
written several workbooks for her dream workshops and courses: "Artists
Dreaming Joy"; "What Did You Dream Last Night?"; "Lose Weight Using
Right-Brain Techniques"; and, "Stress, Dreams, and Intuition."
>>> Aggressive Womens'Dreams Needed
Erica Andermatt and I are currently working on the book "Woman with knife".
We collect and analyze dreams and daydreams of women, in which they are
aggressive, wild, violent and murderous... We try to answer questions like
"What is aggression?", "How can a woman handle this power?", "How can we
take the knife in our hands and be aware of not cutting our fingers?" and
others. If you would like to contribute aggressive dreams or daydreams? The
most nasty, wicked and cruel ones? Then please send your mail to
johanna_vedral@... If you would like so, send it anonymous. But
please tell us your age, your marital status and your occupation. If you
would like to go into a dialogue about your dreams/ daydreams, please tell
us, too, and we will contact you!
>>> Dream Team T.V. Show - Needs Dreams
Calling all dreamers! The SCI FI Channel is looking for guests for
their new series, "The Dream Team with Annabelle and Michael." All
you have to do is call or e-mail us with your dream (be sure to
include your name and phone number), and you might be picked for a
personal dream analysis on the show! Guests will be featured live
in studio, via satellite, and by phone. Please call 323.520.5683 or
email
tvdreams02@.... And pleasant dreams...
>>> L.A. Dreamers Needed for T.V. Show
The Berman sisters (a medical doctor and a psychologist) have a TV
show and are planning an episode on dreaming. They are looking for
dreamers who live in the L.A. area. If you live in that area and have
some interesting dreams that have influenced your life, contact Laurie Dash
at (818) 755-4800 ext. 170. You may have a chance to be on
television!
http://health.discovery.com/fansites/bermans/bermans.html
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Do you know of interesting new websites you'd like to share with others? Or
do you have updates to existing pages? Help spread the word by using the
Electric Dreams DREAM-LINK page
www.dreamgate.com/dream/resources/online97.htm. This is really a public
projects board and requires that everyone keep up his or her own link URLs
and information. Make a point to send changes to the links page to us
>>>>>> Annual Link Updates <<<<<<<
New additions to dreams and dreaming online for 2002
Each year, the Global Dreaming News collects together the best new dream
links added to the Electric Dreams Resources and Links Page.
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/resources/
If your link is not on here, be sure to send that to
web@... and
it will be included in next month's Global Dreaming News.
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>>> Pegasus Dreaming Update
*Poets of Consciousness* by Robert Moss,
exploring poets as shamans of words:
http://www.suite101.com/mypage.cfm/PegasusDreaming/21233
*Tarot and the Writing Process* by Stephen Walter
Sterling, using Tarot to help with writing and
also to deal with intense post-9/11 feelings:
http://www.suite101.com/mypage.cfm/PegasusDreaming/21223
*Sample Card & Reading from S. Kaplan Williams
Dream Cards Deck*
http://www.suite101.com/mypage.cfm/PegasusDreaming/21180
As I may have already informed you there is a new
anthology of 9/11 poems called *An Eye for an Eye
Makes the Whole World Blind* (in which I have a
poem). It is now available from www.amazon.com
Pegasus Dreaming, where dreams, poetry and Tarot are explored in articles,
quotes, links, creative writing by over 80 authors, and more.
http://www.suite101.com/myhome.cfm/PegasusDreaming
>>> Dream Interpetations from YieldofDreams
www.yieldofdreams.com
Colette Kelso received a BA in psychology, cum laude, from the University
of Colorado. She has a MFA in creative writing from Bennington College. She
has spent many years involved with symbols and their manifestation in
dreams, art, and our waking life. In interpreting a dream, she goes through
the description sentence by sentence, making notes by hand, elaborating,
conjecturing. The recounting of the dream is as significant as the symbols
and activities within the dream. She looks at each piece separately as a
metaphor, a message, and then puts the pieces all back together into a
final interpretation, which is what you read in the end. She takes the time
to stop and think and allow the meaning to come through and make sense. "I
have been interpreting dreams for many years. My criteria for success in
this area is based upon the feedback of the dreamers. I don't simply tell a
dreamer what a dream means based on my experience, nor do I utilize a
standardized dictionary of symbols because I don't believe in their general
application. A dreamer must feel as if their world is understood or that
something personal and relevant has been revealed. That is the "a-ha"
feeling we get when something rings true at a deep level. I wish that
everyone could get that pleasurable feeling!" Colette Kelso
www.yieldofdreams.com
>>>Dreams and the Genetic Code : Can we slow the aging process with
increased REM?
http://www.dreams-genes.info/
brad_bartholomew@...
>>>Luminous Dreams
http://luminousdreams.blogspot.com
An archive for you to leave your luminous dreams, or read what others have
left.
>>>Dream Network Online
http://dreamnetwork.net/subinfo.html
Get your issues of Dream Network online!
Same high quality content, color, foreign readers pay no additional mailing
costs, save trees
>>>Dream Discussion Board at Truedreams.
http://communities.msn.com/TRUEDREAMS
High-energy hosting from "prophet" makes this dream venue a highly
interactive area that is responsive to dreams from a spiritual perspective.
>>> Maria José Estival's Religare Page
http://www.religare.na-web.net/
Maria José Estival from Brazil offers an archetypal journey online mixing
personal and transpersonal material. The site has many java graphics of
alchemical symbolism, Blake's pictures and many other Jungian
mythographics. It is in both Portuguese and English and full of dreams.
>>> Twisk Dream Database
http://www.twisk.com/
An online dream database. The navigation panel on top of each page
makes it easy to see the newest submissions, to find dreams on a specific
topic, to search for (N)ightmares, (L)ucid dreams, (R)ecurring dreams, or
any combination of those. You can also look up all dreams of a specific
dreamer, or just let the code pick a random dream (again, here you can
specify whether you're looking for (L),(N) or (R)). If you have posted
dreams yourself, and you're logged in, there's an extra button to 'list
your own dreams'. Each dream has it's own discussion popup window, dreamer
profile window, and the option to forward the dream to a friend.
In this version, dreamers need to log in, before they can post dreams or
join discussions. This way they don't have to provide all their info over
and over (they can just update their profile if they want to), and it's no
longer possible for two people to use the same
nickname. The layout has deliberately been kept simple to keep it fast
loading and easy on the eyes.
>>> Dreams v1.1 for Palm PDA
Palm OS Freeware
Software Site
http://www.sennhauser.com/dreams/
>>> Online Survey: Digital Objects
Are you having dreams about computers? There is a collision that is taking
place between technology and humanity. This survey is interested in how the
analog human dreams about digital objects, about robots, cyborgs, androids
and other beings and scenarios that look at the human-machine interface. Be
sure to drop off your computer dreams and fill out the survey at:
http://www.dreamgate.com/computers/
>>> The Collective Unconscious Project
http://tcup.currentform.com/
Create an account, log dreams in the database and then explore other
similar dreams via keywords and other correspondences. Float around in a
immanent collective unconscious created by similarities between your dream
and other dreams.
>>> Electric Dreams Dream Library
http://dreamgate.com/dream/library/
The EDreams library was updated and upgraded this year. Here you will find
links to all the Electric Dreams resources as well as special projects by
DreamGate, DreamTree, ASD and other dream sites. Dreamwork, psychology,
paranormal dreaming, postmodern dreaming, dream science, dream
interpretation, dream art , publications, dream groups, and much, much more.
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/library/
>>> How to Become a Dreamworkers without going through all the Hoops
Jeremy Taylor takes you through the ropes of grassroots dreamwork.
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/electric-dreams/dreamworker_alternative.htm
>>> Sleep Site includes Dreaming Articles
http://sommeil.univ-lyon1.fr/articles/te2e.html
The Sleep, Dreams and Wakefulness site hosts a 50,000 article database on
Sleep and Dreams. While the site is mostly for sleep, not dream, research,
some real gems in dream research can be found there.
>>> 3-year Professional Training on Dreams & Consciousness
Strephon Kaplan-Williams conducts 3-year Professional Training on Dreams &
Consciousness. A new training will start from September 2002 in the
Netherlands. For more information contact Ella Boeren:
ella@... or visit:
http://dreamwork2000.com/nederlands/nederlandss.html
>>> School of Metaphysics Dream Hotline
www.dreamschool.org
The 14th Annual National Dream Hotline will be April 26 - 28. For the
entire weekend the School will have volunteer dream experts who interpret
dreams and answer questions about dreams by phone. No charge for the
service other than the long distance call. E-mails will also be accepted on
a daily basis from people who want dreams interpreted, and these will
posted on the website.
>>> Dream Art of Chris Witkowski
http://www.artdreaming.com/Dreams_pastels/Dreams_past.htm
In the words of the artist: "I have kept a dream journal since 1987. Within
the context of what I call "everyday" dreams, I am visited by the creatures
you see in these paintings. Most are birds. But animals, insects, humans
and objects also make their appearance in amazingly colorful circumstances
and scenarios. Once I choose an image to work with, it begins another life.
It is important that they look real, as if you might walk outside and see a
pink and turquoise grosbeak. I call this process dreaming the dream
onwards. As I give the images form through my painting, they often surprise
me with a message or meaning beyond what was revealed by the dream."
>>> Central Premonitions Registry update
http://mainportals.com/precog.shtml
>>> Kevin Wilson's Dream Art
http://www.insomnium.co.uk/index.htm
Kevin Wilson's collection of dream inspired photos, videos, Flash
movies and more.
>>> Autodrama and Creative Dream Restaging
November 16 &17 Amersfoort Holland
Exploring the imagery of Dreams and Problem Solving with Ann Sayre Wiseman.
A way to deepen understanding of the metaphors
of the night mind. Contact:
herminemensink@... or visit
www.annsayrewiseman.com
>>>Marin Institute for Projective Dream Work
Dream Work Certificate Program. The program features weekend work in San
Rafael, CA with Jeremy Taylor; pay as you go; take as long as you need; and
small groups. "Projective dream work assumes that thoughts we have about
the dreams of others reflect our own internal lives. When we comment on
someone else's dream we're really saying `if it were my dream....'" (Jeremy
Taylor). For more information, visit
http://www.jeremytaylor.com/marin.htm
>>> Dream Survey : Are you having dreams about Islam?
http://dreamgate.com/dreamsofislam/
We are two Western Muslims, a British educator and an American writer, who
are interested both in how dreams relate to the spiritual life, and in how
Islam is presently perceived by Muslims and non-Muslims both in the west
and in traditionally Muslim lands. We hope to collaborate on a book with
the provisional title of Dreams of Islam. We are looking for striking or
significant dreams about Islam from both Muslims and non-Muslims, dreams
which have had a strong impact on you the dreamer, whether or not you think
the content would seem "interesting" to an outsider. The Islamic content
could refer to people, events, places, beliefs, practices, symbols,
memories or associations, architecture, works of art, written or spoken
words - anything specifically Islamic, or with an Islamic flavor.
You can fill out the survey at the website, or download the questions:
http://dreamgate.com/dreamsofislam/ . For more information, contact Charles
Upton : E-mail
uptonjenny@...
>>> Dreams and CRC Theory
http://www.mediaproxy.com/crc/crc.htm
Michael Coop presents speculations on his general CRC theory
(Comprehension, Rationalisation & Conclusion, the mechanisms by which
people recognize and respond to their surroundings) using dreams and
dreaming for illustration and example.
>>>Marin Institute for Projective Dream Work
Dream Work Certificate Program. The program features weekend work in San
Rafael, CA with Jeremy Taylor; pay as you go; take as long as you need; and
small groups. "Projective dream work assumes that thoughts we have about
the dreams of others reflect our own internal lives. When we comment on
someone else's dream we're really saying `if it were my dream....'" (Jeremy
Taylor). For more information, visit
http://www.jeremytaylor.com/marin.htm
>>> The Daily Analyst
Discussion of dreams and psychoanalysis in Dutch.
Hosted by Willem J Linschoten
willem.linschoten@...
http://home.hccnet.nl/willem.linschoten
>>> Association for the Study of Dreams (ASD)
http://www.asdreams.org
What's new this year at ASD?
ASD Paranormal Dreaming Forum:
http://www.asdreams.org/telepathy/index.htm
Dream Telepathy Contests online
ASD Art Exhibits
http://www.asdreams.org/subidxshowart.htm
Dream Art from 2001 and 2002 Conferences
ASD journal Dreaming
http://www.asdreams.org/journal/articles/index.htm
Over 25 articles from the peer reviewed journal Dreaming
ASD Regional Conferences
http://asdreams.org/conferences/2002cincinnati/crisis_to_creativity.htm
Report from Cincinnati with pictures and interviews
ASD Research Projects
http://www.asdreams.org/research/research_idx.htm
Become a subject in dream research
ASD Dream Time Magazine
http://www.asdreams.org/magazine/articles/index.htm
Over 20 articles and interviews
ASD Conference Audio Tapes
http://www.fltwood.com/onsite/asdreams/2002/
Conference 2002 cassettes of presentations at Tufts
ASD Bookshop
http://www.asdreams.org/idxbookshop.htm
Dream books and dream products from ASD
ASD E-study Groups
http://www.asdreams.org/study/index.htm
New discussion groups on Dreams and Dreaming
ASD Bulletin Board
http://www.asdreams.org/subidxdiscussionsbboard.htm
Always new discussions on the topic of dreams and dreaming
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D R E A M C A L E N D A R
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Nov 1-10 in Kalani, Hawaii
Lucid Dreaming Residential Training Program with Stephen LaBerge. For
information, or to register:
http://www.lucidity.com/DAAK02 or call
+1 650 321-9969 or 1 800 GO LUCID (1 800 465-8243)or email
daak02f@...
Nov 2 in Atlanta, GA
Awakening to the Wisdom of the Dream. Presenters include Deirdre Barrett,
Robert Van de Castle, Rita Dwyer and Justina Lasley. For further info,
contact Justina at P.O.Box 52323, Atlanta, GA, 30355, E-mail
drmkpr@...
or Tallulah Lyons, 3082 Old Cabin Lane, Smyrna, GA 30080, e-mail
blyons@...( 9:30 AM-4:30PM)
Nov 2-3 in Orinda, CA
Dreaming Beyond Borders Conference, sponsored by ASD and the Dream Studies
Program at JFK University. For more information, contact the ASD
Information Office at 925-258-1822 or Dream Studies Program at JFKU at
925/258-7322
Nov 9 in Marin County, CA
Dream Day By the Bay -- Lorraine Almeida, MFA, leads an all day dream/art
workshop in Marshall (on Highway 1 along Tomales Bay in Marin County) email
Lorraine for info at:
lorraine@...
Nov 16-17 in Amersfoort, Holland
Creative Dream Re-Staging with Anne Sayre Wiseman. A way to deepen
understanding of the metaphors of the night mind. Contact:
herminemensink@...
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Electric Dreams Cover for November 2002:
Title: Atomic Triplicity
Statement:
The mandalic feature of this image is a digitally realized version of a
small colored pencil sketch I executed many years ago on the cover of my
first personal dream journal. It was a very simplified depiction of a brief
hypnogogic adventure in which I saw myself--or "myselves"--as a series of
cross-sectioned concentric spheres, each containing a unique world peculiar
to its own radiant set of senses, yet all moving together in transformative
unison, the events and objects in any given world having 'explicate' versions
in every other world.
This series of realities seemed infinite in either direction 'up or down'
the sequence of encapsulated worlds, but the most vivid impression was of a
universal principle of 'atomic triplicity' and the 'suspension' of what we
know and experience as the 'physical self/world' between what I would
generalize as being the 'imagining self/world' and the 'dreaming self/world.'
While it seemed fairly logical that the innermost world should contain the
mental constructs of imagination which we think of, after all, as being
'inside our head,' the clear but initially somewhat counterintuitive
implication was that the dreaming self occupied an order of reality beyond
the physical world--and was capable of seeing the true nature of the
ultimate 'outer reality' with less filters, in a sense closer to the
implicate order
of the universe.
Certainly I would make no claim that this is in fact the way that reality
is constructed, but it did seem to fall in line with certain existing
theories of the 'astral body' and the 'astral plane' which I would
subsequently discover, as well as some of my own 'out of body'--or 'in my
astral body'--experiences.
After the passage of much time, it is my feeling that perhaps this diagram
is as misleading as it is informative, but may represent some limited
insights about some aspects of dreaming, such as, perhaps, how the dreaming
self seems to deal with time in a unique way, often gathering precognitive
information from an ocean of probabilities.
Bio:
Shawn Allen O'Neal is a visual artist and musician residing in Oklahoma.
His work ranges from pencil and ink, oil painting and portraiture, collage
and manipulated digital photography to audiovisual installation works and
performances. email:
saosd@...
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An Excerpt From the Lucid Dream Exchange
By Lucy Gillis
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Each issue of LDE features a dream theme. Sound in lucid dreams is the
topic of our current "Dream Themes". Readers sent in various reports of
music in their lucid dreams, singing, hearing voices, etc. This month's
excerpt is a description of some musical lucid dreams experienced by Ralf
Penderak.
Musical Lucid Dreams
(c) Ralf Penderak
Bedtime: 2100 (I am tired, spent all the day playing with my son, sometimes
24 hours are not enough)
I wake up at 0140, take short notices of two dreams. (In one of them I fly
around the world, passing the Golden Gate Bridge, too. Did anyone see me?)
I put on the Novadreamer mask and start a relaxation exercise. I percept
cues and the dream alarm twice, I see them flashing red. Then I see white
flashes. Immediately I know, that I'm dreaming...
Lucid Choir with Ego-Aspects, 07 06 2000
... but this time I'm not too excited. I feel drowsy. I'm sitting in a room
with some (6-7) men. They are approximately as old as I am. We are sitting
in a circle. I remember that my lucid dreams often vanish if I try to fly.
What shall I do? I'm asking my co-dreamers: "Dear aspects of my ego ...
(sounds strange to me) ... shall I fly or shall I sing?" One man is
laughing and says: "You should better sing." I know he is laughing because
he knows I like to sing, but he also knows that I'm not always sure whether
my singing is welcome. I start singing. A simple melody, made of five
notes. I use the sound "Aaaahh". The "h" sounds strange, different, than in
waking life singing. But I don't mind. I repeat the simple line several
times. After some time my companions start singing this line, too. Sounds
and feels good. Then I want to do an experiment. I sing a variation of the
theme on a higher level. The others remain singing the theme. This is a
lucid choir! I'm very satisfied. I sing some other variations, everything
feels good. Now I wonder, what will happen, if I go back to the theme. For
some time all people sing with one voice. But then alternating singers
create variations of their own. Very good.
I have no more memory of this dream. Maybe it has been the dream alarm to
interrupt it.
I'm a Lucid Wave, March 28 2002
I'm in a house. I'm singing and playing guitar in one room. It is a cover
version of a well-known song, maybe U2. I sing with all my heart and a
voice incomparable to waking life. It is so ecstatic to make and be in this
wonderful music (only a few times did I experience this level of ecstasy
while performing waking life music). After the song I leave the room, enter
the floor. I do some hovering and flying exercises. There is a young woman
watching me. I show her that one doesn't need to flutter wildly, but
tenderly. (In the dream I seemed to be reminded of a waking life experience
the day before yesterday. Some perfect minutes outside in early spring's
sun, all by myself and serene, enjoying the uplifting view of seagulls
circling in a thermal, nearly effortless, in harmony with the natural
forces. After they reach a great height, they fly in a perfectly straight
line towards the Baltic Sea, which is some miles off. Seemingly without
moving one feather. In this moments I conceive why men since primitive
times have the ineffaceable desire to fly.)
I lift myself up and hover right beneath the ceiling. I look down and see
that my foot still touches ground. Hmm. I do some jumps. Sometimes staying
longer in the air, sometimes landing on my belly. I wonder why it doesn't
work all the time until it dawns on me that I'm dreaming. I immediately
wake up. But don't move. Instead of hand rubbing I decide to use guitar
playing to re-enter the dreamstate. I focus on the feeling of body, of
guitar in hand and striking of the strings, not on the sound. After some
seconds the feeling gets more and more realistic. Now I can hear the sound,
too. The longer I play, the larger vibrations I experience. It feels like
the dreambody morphs into waves of sounds, except the arms, which keep
playing the guitar. It is an ecstatic experience. I'm happy that I've come
that far in my dream-practice. But unfortunately I still seem not to be
able to "bear" this ecstasy for more than some seconds. (But I can say that
I'm getting better in the "enjoying - exercise".) I force the dream body to
let go of physical body with the intention to enter another dream. But this
seems to be too hard to try. Dreambody vanishes. I turn and doze into
another non-lucid dream.
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How Are You Sleeping?
© 2002 Linda Lane Magallón
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Dreamers are such a deep lot
Then REMing with all that they've got
They enter just right
4 to 8 times a night
Whether they want to or not
The Stages Of Sleep
In the mid-twentieth century, laboratory scientists discovered that we
experience our most vivid, detailed and movie-like dreams when our eyes are
moving quickly back and forth underneath our eyelids. Hence the name, Rapid
Eye Movement, or REM. The period of REM is longest for folks who are
acquiring new information: infants and students, for example. It becomes
shorter as we grow older and if we have fewer new experiences. REM sleep
boosts memory and learning. People test better with a night of REM sleep
than without. During REM sleep the large muscles of the body are relaxed,
even paralyzed. The arms, legs and torso are limp. Breathing is irregular,
brain temperature and blood flow soar, the muscles of the middle ear
contract and the face twitches.
The time between the start of one REM period and the next is about 90
minutes. This is same "fantasy cycle" that occurs in the waking state,
although we are usually not aware of it unless we are at rest and tracking
our random thoughts. The peak of the cycle favors highly emotional thoughts
and images, just the sort that result in dramatic dreams when we close out
the outer environment during sleep. The first REM sleep period may be only
5 minutes in length, but it can last as long as an hour close to morning.
The dream drama shifts from quick previews to a full-length feature film.
In fact, about 50 percent of REM dreaming time will occur in the last 2
hours of sleep. So, when you are trying to recall dreams, this is the best
time to retrieve them.
We can also dream in non-REM periods, although those dreams tend to be more
thought-like and analytical. This is the ebb of the fantasy cycle. In the
waking state, we are able to better concentrate on our immediate
surroundings and concrete problems. In the dream state, we are more
concerned with mundane life than imaginative fantasy. During non-REM sleep,
there is little brain activity, steady pulse, regular heartbeat. And a lot
of snoring. But in the lighter stages of sleep, motor activity is not
blocked, so our bodies are free to move about, although we rarely do more
than roll over in bed. Actually, a "restless night's sleep," is likely due
to us coming to the brink of wakefulness, shifting around, then returning
to the sleep state.
The entire sleep cycle is a trip through different states of consciousness.
At the start of the night we begin at alpha, our drowsy, conscious mode and
then slip through four stages of non-REM sleep. Each stage puts more and
more distance between us and the external environment.
The last two stages are called delta. In delta, there are no large body
movements, unless sleep-talking or sleep-walking occur. Deep, or delta
sleep, is mostly non-dreaming type of sleep. Deep sleep helps battle
infection and depression. It's the rejuvenating sort of sleep that combats
mental and physical fatigue and restores a sense of well-being.
Delta occurs during the first couple of sleep cycles. So, extending your
stay in bed will produce only more shallow sleep. This is great for certain
types of dream recall, like lucid dreaming, but not for good sleep hygiene.
Despite romantic metaphor, REM is not a descent into the depths of the
underworld of sleep. It's actually quite close to the waking state of
consciousness.
How To Get A Good Night's Sleep
What's the first step to dream health? I suggest you start at the most
basic level - look to the condition of your body. Forget trying to dream.
Get a good night's sleep. Deep, deep, dreamless sleep. Allow your mind-body
the chance to rest and recuperate from the pressures of the day.
Is this approach bad for dreaming? I don't think so. In the laboratory,
attempts to prevent REM sleep always produced a "rebound" effect. Once the
inhibitor was removed, there was an extraordinary increase in REM. So
taking a vacation from dream recall might actually encourage your psyche to
return to dreaming with renewed vigor.
The dreamers I know try different tricks to lure slumber. Some are quite
involved, others basic common sense. For instance, Colin told me, "If I've
been watching an action TV program or the news, I'll look at some nature
video or something that's more passive before going to bed." I agree: the
stimulus of our daytime existence can agitate us, and putting a buffer
between daily life and sleep is very wise.
Kyla lies on her back, does deep breathing and repeats over and over, "My
brain is very relaxed. My brain is very relaxed." Nowadays my brain is
*too* relaxed, so I have no problem there. It's my body that needs to
unwind, so if I used this mantra, I'd change the wording to "My body is
very relaxed." For me, body includes the brain.
Over time, I learned that I could get a good night's sleep if I took some
basic precautions.
o Close the window to keep out noise. Alternately, let the fan or heater
create "white noise" to mask background sounds. In addition, an oscillating
fan can simulate rocking motions, which lull even a baby to sleep.
o Make sure the bedroom had plenty of fresh air circulating-if not from the
window, then open the door to the rest of the house. Extra oxygen
stimulates the brain.
o Set the heater at a lower temperature and use extra covers instead.
(Layers allow me to adjust temperature without rising. I flip the blankets
over with my feet, while my torso lies still.)
o Cover the digital lights on the clock and computer accessories. Make sure
the hall light is turned off. (Even with my eyes closed, I can sense the
light.)
o Make an extra effort to have good sleep during the nights before a big
day. (On the eve of such a day, I can experience loss of sleep from
planning, worrying or too much excited anticipation.
And if the day runs long, I won't have my usual amount of sleep.)
o When the body is under-stimulated, exercise more, but not enough to
strain or cramp muscles. You get sleepy due to the fall of body
temperature. Thus exercise four to six hours prior to bedtime will
initially cause your temperature to rise; when it falls, you'll get drowsy
and be more prone to sleep. (This helps on days when I've been engrossed in
computer work.)
o Use progressive relaxation for physical tension (that's relaxing each
part of your body, starting with your toes and working your way up to your
head). Some relaxation tapes are useful to this end.
o "Sing" to sleep with soothing tunes from a hand-held tape or CD player.
This is the adult version of a lullaby.
o Dull an active mind or distract yourself from worries with repetitious
tasks prior to sleep. (Counting backwards from 100 to 1 or counting sheep
are such exercises. Mantras and chants work, too.)
o Switch from logical thinking to fantasy, which is a type of thought
pattern more closely related to sleep, especially dreaming sleep.
Almost all sleep researchers agree that sleeping pills are virtually
useless and their addictive proclivity makes them a potential problem.
Unfortunately, some drugs, like alcohol, barbiturates and momoamine oxidase
inhibitors, actually suppress REM if used over an extended period. They
also tend to keep you at lighter levels of slumber. Due to the lack of deep
sleep, your body can take longer to repair and your mind, more time to
clear. So while you're on medication, you may sleep longer. People who
suffer from minor illnesses, influenza and colds are subject to increased
non-REM sleep.
Catnaps during the day throw off the sleep rhythm of the body and thus
should be avoided unless they occur during times when REM sleep probability
is high. If you rise in early morning, your peak for daytime REM is late
morning. The probability falls until the onset of night sleep, about 12
hours later.
If you do have trouble sleeping, it might be physical arousal: feeling
restless, tossing and turning, sweats and hot flashes. Or aliments, upset
stomach, headaches, wounds, strains and pains. High stress, premenstrual
tension and pregnancy equals the need for more sleep. As you get older, you
don't sleep as deeply as an infant or child and, often, not as long as you
used to.
Or your problem may be mental arousal: rumination, planning, worrying and
difficulty controlling thoughts. The best solution is to get up and do
something physically active.
Check List For A Good Night's Sleep
What factors influence your sleep? I suggest you use a check list like the
one below to review them. As I considered each item on my list, I judged
whether each factor had, overall, a positive, neutral or negative impact.
Some factors I couldn't do much about, except be aware of their influence.
The rest alerted me to areas where I needed to initiate action. As you read
these items, keep track of your own score. What can you do to improve your
sleep? Where can you just relax and snooze?
1. Genetic endowment (+)
How long do you sleep?
2. Circadian rhythms (-)
Are you a night person (owl) or a morning person (lark)? Do you take
daytime naps? Go to sleep at a regular time?
3. Insomnia (0)
Do you have trouble falling asleep or difficulty staying asleep?
4. Medical condition and medication (-/+)
How's the health of your body and brain? Do you take sleeping pills, herbs
or any medications that influence sleep?
5. Food and drink (0)
When did you last eat? Does hunger or a full bladder awaken you?
6. Alcohol, tobacco and caffeine (+)
When did you last indulge? If you do, it's best several hours before sleep,
perhaps before or with a meal.
7. Environment (+/-)
Do you sleep with a person who snores or with someone who has bad sleep
habits? Are you willing to banish pets from your bedroom when they infer
with your sleep? What's the condition of your bedding?
8. Location (+)
How insulated are you from noise, light and temperature shifts?
9. Daily exercise (+)
Did you get enough? Or too much, and feel aches and strains?
10. Activities prior to sleep (-/+)
Are you willing to turn off the TV an hour before you go to sleep?
11. Stress and anxiety (-)
What relaxation techniques do you use?
12. Attitude (+)
Do you like to sleep?
Sometimes changing just one item can make a big difference. Hope you sleep
well tonight!
References
o Ancoli-Israel, Sonia. All I Want Is a Good Night's Sleep. (St. Louis:
Mosby-Year Book, 1996).
o Klinger, Eric. Daydreaming. (Los Angeles: Jeremy P. Tarcher, 1990).
o LaBerge, Stephen. Lucid Dreaming. (Los Angeles: Jeremy P. Tarcher, 1985).
o Melbourne, D. F. & Keith Hearne. Dream Interpretation: The Secret.
(London: Blandford, 1997).
o Perl, James. Sleep Right in Five Nights. (New York: William Morrow and
Company, Inc., 1993).
o Shulman, Sandra. Nightmare. (New York: Macmillan Publishing Co., 1979).
o Van de Castle, Robert L. Our Dreaming Mind. (New York: Ballantine Books,
1994).
o Wright, S. "Learning the facts about sleep," Sunday Daily Ledger-Post
Dispatch, Nov. 15, 1987, p. 12.
Linda Lane Magallón
Dream Flights
http://members.aol.com/caseyflyer/flying/dreams.html
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To Spin A Twisted Tale
By Tony Elliott
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I have been plagued by many nightmares over the last few years and turned
the experience into a story of which this poem is a part.
Intro:
Written words are powerful in their unique ability to portray an image
personal to the individual who allows himself to become a canvas on which
the author loosely paints, surpassing all other forms of media in which one
is presented with external stimulation.
When the sights and sounds of a story are created within the reader's mind,
the result is something that can never be duplicated over speaker or
screen. As each individual will perceive the story in a slightly different
fashion, the images are as varied as there are people.
Normalcy
In the beginning his life was normal
Like any other small boy
He ran and jumped and had some fun
Not knowing they watched him with evil joy
From his youth he thought he was in control
Things came so easy and fast
Soon he moved beyond friend and peer
Emotions and thoughts kept under tight grasp
As he grew into a man it seemed
He had it pretty good
Health and love, a nice family
Things turned out just as he knew they would
That's when they started to sneak into his thoughts
Taking note of his torment and fears
Knowing the dreams and desires inside
They lay in wait, in dark shadows they hide
From those shadows they reached out and touched him
Slowly draining his soul and strength
Unnoticed by his conscious mind
They did not worry to take their time
Sometimes they would breach through the wall
Causing his eyes to see
The consequence of the battle inside
Into the physical realm did they slide
The things that happened would cause him
To tighten the grip on his soul
Run, run, as fast as you can
But the battle was still too close
As he filled in with shadows and darkness
The sludge filling in every space
Years passed by as he went beyond sighs
'Till he remembered not the way it had been
They carefully planned and waited
The attacks subtle and right on the mark
They wanted to take control of his life
By filling him up with inner strife
He found himself locked in a corner
Bound by deceit and lies from them
Filled with sadness, loneliness and dark melodies
That no one else can see
Weary he rests while the war rages on
Hiding from enemy's shots
In a foxhole he camped while they searched him out
He watched them laugh as they cast his lot
Decades passed as they lay in wait
Locked away from his open view
Emotions and feelings in a stranglehold trapped
Seething inside with them like boiling wax
The sludge bubbled and popped, spewing despair
The waves hit with relentless force
Confusion ran deep as he fought for a glimpse
Of truth and reality
Over the years, fed by their lies, incredible sadness advanced
Diligently stealing his hope and his joy
Replaced with solemn misery
Finding out they had stolen his years
At last, no more did he have any tears
© 2000 Tony Elliott
If you are interested in the full book, please contact me
at
johomato@...
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A Report On The World Dreams Peace Bridge
Jean Campbell
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When the World Dreams Peace Bridge began a little over a year ago, it was a
spontaneous response to the terrorist attacks of September 11. The idea I
proposed to a number of friends and fellow dreamers was that possibly, if
people all over the world would dream together, we might dream the world
toward peace. The story of the World Dreams Peace Bridge was told in a
paper, presented at the 2002 conference of the Association for the Study of
dreams. That paper can be found
here
http://dreamgate.com/dream/ed-backissues/ed9-7.txt
The first project of the World Dreams Peace Bridge was a Yahoo discussion
group, which dreamers can still join by sending a post to
worlddreams-subscribe@yahoogroups.com. Around fifty people belong to the
group, which discusses ideas, projects and dreams. Members contribute art
and photographs, conduct meditations and vigils.
One of the first projects to grow out of the World Dreams Peace Bridge was
a dance story, "The Crow and the Phoenix," dreamed and choreographed by
Valley Reed of Dallas, Texas, and danced by her and two other professional
dancers at the April ASD regional meeting in Cincinnati, Ohio. To read the
story of this dance and see photos of its production, go here From the
Cincinnati Regional ASD
Program
http://asdreams.org/conferences/2002cincinnati/crow_and_phoenix.htm
Most recently, after a dream recorded by Jeremy Seligson in Korea, the
members of the World Dreams Peace Bridge have been working on a Peace Train
project. Several groups of school children are already at work, creating
Peace Trains to send around the world, but adults can create Peace Trains
as well. The Peace Train project is a work in progress, but you can see
where we are to date by going to Peace Train
(
http://www.alphalink.net.au/~mermaid/peacetrain.html)
Victoria Quinton in Australia (who created the preceding web page) has also
created an interesting twist on the Peace Train idea by both sending
colored candles to people and asking them to light a candle for peace, and
also by starting a peace candle project at nervousness.com NERVOUS
Industries: Peace trains
Of course, all this activity continues to expand, as more dreamers find
support in growing dreams of peace. The World Dreams Peace Bridge has now
reached the point where it has begun to develop its own web site, under the
creative artistry of Elizabeth Diaz of California, and with the support of
The iMAGE Project, a nonprofit research and education organization.
Watch here for updates on the World Dreams Peace Bridge, or join us as we
dream the world toward peace.
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Virtual Reality Dreaming:
Wave of the Future?
by E. W. Kellogg III, Ph.D.
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(A modified and expanded version of: "A Virtual Reality Dream: And Now for
Something Completely Different ..." © 2002 E. W. Kellogg III, Ph.D., a
paper published in The Lucidity Exchange, Number 22, April 2002)
The movie The Matrix vividly portrays a world where computer technology has
become so advanced that a simulated physical reality has become
indistinguishable from the 'real' thing. Although virtual reality (VR)
today does not seem anywhere as realistic, given the current rate of
advancement of computer technology (according to "Moore's Law" computer
processing speed doubles every 18 months) that day will arrive in the not
so distant future.
Of course, dreams already provide us with a kind of 'VR', one in which
simulations of all of the physical senses can potentially play a
part. Also, our dream life both reflects and incorporates elements of our
waking experience - so much so that our dreams today in many ways differ
greatly from that of earlier generations. Movies and television have
allowed us to vicariously experience everything from baking cookies to
exploring distant galaxies, and we have incorporated these experiences into
our dreams. Still, however hypnotic, these light and sound productions
seem rather crude, and viewers must willingly "suspend disbelief" to
experience the full effect. Once perfected, virtual reality may become
perceptually indistinguishable from 'physical reality', or may even
credibly simulate the experiences of the most fantastic dreams.
All this might cause us to wonder - once realistic VR becomes a part of our
waking lives, what impact will it have on our dreaming lives?
Now, by accepted definition, for a dream to qualify as lucid in a minimal
way, means that dreamers must at least vaguely realize that they dream
while they dream. However, full lucidity requires far more than this. In
a fully lucid dream I think clearly and remember clearly. I feel an
extraordinary sense of self, and have full command of my intellectual and
motivational abilities. But even if fully aware, dreamers can only
recognize that they dream when they encounter discrepancies between dream
phenomena and waking phenomena. Floating in the air, or seeing that the
words on a sign have changed when you look at it twice, seem obvious
cues. But not every dream displays such cues - some simulate physical
reality seamlessly. For example, 'false awakenings' can fool even the most
experienced lucid dreamers, as memory, perception, and expectation agree in
a way that deceive even the most clear thinking.
So how will lucid dreamers of the future discriminate between "dreaming of
a virtual reality", and "a virtual reality"? Or will they? The usual tests
won't work. Even the most lucid and clear thinking of dreamers, might
fail the test for lucidity in a minimal sense by mistaking "a dream of a
virtual reality" for the virtual reality it simulates, failing to realize
that they dream while they dream. What will happen to the simple
definition of dream lucidity then?
Sound farfetched? Well, not to me, because I've already had such a dream,
one of the most incredible dreams that I've ever experienced. The dream
does not qualify as a lucid dream in a technical sense, because I did not
realize that I dreamed while I dreamed. And yet, my ability to think and to
perceive seemed as lucid, in fact more lucid, than in all but a few of my
fully lucid dreams, where qualitatively I seem at least as 'lucid' as I do
in ordinary physical waking life. I've appended it below as an example of a
new type of dream that although rare now, may soon become commonplace, as
"the shape of dreams to come."
VR Dream
Vol. 47 p 148: 7/8/01 "I virtually drive a race car along a scenic and
deserted race course - a fresh blacktop highway winds through nicely
simulated New England scenery in early autumn - just a touch of color in a
forest of trees and plants in the hills and valleys I drive through. A
mostly visual experience though - not much in the way of kinesthetic
sensation, only a vague sense of movement. I come to an intersection, and
decide for fun to drive down it the wrong way. I immediately see a car
heading towards me, and switch lanes, and then I see a group of cars by the
side of the road, parked. This looks interesting - it looks like the
entrance to a virtual country club. I see a sign that says "Restaurant and
Guest Area", a place where visitors, tired of racing, can refresh
themselves. I wonder what sort of experiences they've programmed inside,
and get out of my car, and climb up some stone steps to find an outside bar
near the entrance to the clubhouse.
An odd sort of skinny "bartender" greets me - "Good day! What can I do
for you sir?" I ask for something simple, to see if I can taste virtual
food. I ask for a fruit, and he hands me something that looks like an old
head of decayed romaine lettuce, the leaves yellow and wilted, with a sort
of peeled "mango/pineapple" on top. I throw the "lettuce to the ground"
where an odd looking "squirrel/monkey" "eats" it. Although the fruit looks
to have decayed at the bottom, I decide to give it a try - no need to worry
about bacteria with virtual food. I experience only a vague sensation of
chewing, and no real taste, and tell the bartender, who now looks
remarkably like a skinny frog.
My lack of sensation sets off some sort of alarm, and when I go inside a
virtual "Doctor/Programmer" in a white coat, and two 'nurses' in loose
white gowns greet me. The "man" looks 40 or so, the "nurses", both well
built and attractive in a sort of generic way, about 30. They tell me that
as a first time user, that they need to do some testing on me so that they
can recalibrate the program. I sit on a sort of "hospital bed", while the
nurses put food on precise areas of my "tongue", careful not to touch "my
lips", trying to locate a particular taste bud, without success - I report
only vague sensations as they place virtual foods on my tongue, and no
taste. I joke that maybe I don't have that particular taste bud (designated
by something like HMG 243). They reply that I do, but I must have it higher
up, so they'll need to do a procedure on me to calibrate it, so that I can
get the full sensory effect. I wonder if the fact that I do not virtually
smell anything might account in part for the inadequacy of virtual taste.
Also, I do not feel comfortable about this - although already this virtual
reality program has gone far beyond my expectations, even for the programs
of 2025 or so (when I believe this takes place), I do not like the idea
that it might somehow modify my physical body. I don't understand how it
could do so either - I vaguely remember myself as "hooked up", my physical
body lying on a bed somewhere, but do not recall doing it in a hospital
environment or even at a VR hookup institution. In fact if anything, I
remember simply going online at home, perhaps wearing a helmet and goggles.
But I can't remember details.
The "Doctor" comes over, using a spatula to place virtual food to
different spots on the side of my tongue - I tell him that I feel that most
of my taste receptors lie in the middle of my tongue and in the back, and
that he should try there. The two nurses come in - one holds a glass with
"banana" pieces in it - she plans to place it in the middle of my tongue to
test what will happen. I convince them to let me try, and they reluctantly
agree, telling me not to touch my lips with the glass or banana piece as I
do so, as it will destroy the effect. I tip the glass over my mouth, and
drop a piece in the middle of my tongue. As the piece passes my lips, I
immediately feel an odd sensation - my lips feel hot, as if suffused on the
inside with hot sauce. This sensation quickly passes. I begin to chew and
the texture of the piece gets stronger and stronger, almost like in waking
physical reality (WPR), at which point I begin to taste "banana" as well -
at about 50% WPR intensity. I let them know and they feel pleased with my
success. I lie down on the bed, and one of the nurses begins testing my
sense of body sensation of touch, touching the sides of my abdomen and my
chest. When I again report success, that this feels virtually real, she
tells me to touch her. She crouches more or less on top of me as I do so,
touching "her" on the sides and on the breasts - her "flesh" feels very
firm, but also somehow cold, and somehow lifeless. When I touch her
breasts, she tells me that when fully calibrated, clients can do anything
that they want to with the virtual women, up to and including fully
satisfying "sex". I feel intrigued - although "she" looks a bit generic and
vacuous, her large "breasts" hang almost fully exposed to my view as she
crouches over me. However, the coldness of her body, and the "no one at
home" expression in her eyes (like the robot saloon girl in the movie
"Westworld") puts me off. Also I wonder about where the data of the clients
activities goes - and if one can depend on the company to keep the
information reliably confidential. I decline her offer, but only tell her
as a reason about the coldness of her body to the touch. They institute a
procedure - a thermal wrap around my physical hand? - to correct this
problem. It works - my right hand immediately feels very hot and flushed.
To celebrate my success, they take me to the "restaurant", where the
maitre'd shows me to a table in a luxurious country club setting - lots of
polished wood and an extensive menu. I wonder about eating the food here -
although clearly I need not restrict myself to a vegetarian diet, I have no
desire to try virtual meat dishes either, although that seems most of what
they offer. "Two women" come over and ask if they can join me - one looks
around 40, the other in her teens. They both present themselves as "real
people", who have visited VR a few times but who still feel quite excited
about it all. I ask the older one about her icon (VR body) - she comments
she looks like this for variety, she could look like a teenager if she
chose. She demonstrates this to me - as she brushes her hair back with her
hand, she transforms her icon to 18 or so in appearance, but then she
transforms her icon back to its original appearance. They tell me they feel
really honored to sit with a "Professor", and I realize I have not seen my
own icon yet. I look in the window glass - which makes a good mirror, and
see myself - I look tall and thin, I have a full head of straight white
hair more or less sticking up, and a pair of glasses with thick black
frames. I laugh - I look like a Western scientist as portrayed in a
Japanese cartoon! I appreciate the logic behind my icon choice, but respond
with some dismay on my icon's thin arms and narrow shoulders. I grin as I
ruefully tell the two women that all of that work at weight training and
exercising over the years in my WPR health club apparently seemed in vain .
. . As I reflect on my own VR body, I also wonder about the two "women"
with me, and what their physical bodies look like, if they really have
physical bodies and do not seem especially well animated VR simulations.
"Are you a first timer?" the "older woman" asks. I tell her not exactly,
the friend who recommended the program to me (Steve S.) had told me quite a
bit about it, and I have had extensive experiences in another kind of
virtual reality as an adept lucid dreamer. They look puzzled so I explain
lucid dreaming to them, "knowing that you dream while you dream", fully
conscious in the "original virtual world". Further, I explain how the
phenomenological epoché, has just as much relevance here in this virtual
reality as it does in dream reality. That by focusing on your direct
experience, and suspending judgment in the assumptions that you make about
what you experience, you can perceive more clearly. For example, here in VR
you don't know if you deal with "real" people - WPR people manifesting
through icons, or with "virtual people". Because of my own phenomenological
attitude, I realized from the outset that I did not know into which
category I should place them, and that the same situation applied for them
in respect to me. With a laugh they respond, "Well, you already know more
than we do!"
A sort of alarm goes off, and the "Doctor" shows up at our table,
telling us that all guests have to exit the program, as some sort of
problem has come up. In the background I hear a rumor that some boy has
died online. I feel unhappy and frustrated that I have to leave just as I'd
begun to get the hang of this program, but move towards the lobby, where a
"woman" directs "guests/WPR people" to go to one side of the room, and
virtual people to the other. I see with some interest, that the two "women"
who had sat at the table with me go to the "virtual people" side of the
room. I call to them that they might want to try exiting through the "real
people" portal. The woman directing guests says "Any virtual people who try
to leave by the guest gate will not survive, they will disintegrate." One
of the "women", now an attractive honey blonde looks at me questioningly. I
tell her "Who knows what will happen if you try to leave by the guest
portal? You may make it across to physical reality, or you may indeed get
destroyed. You have to choose." She decides to try going through the guest
portal, and to chance dissolution. I tell her "I can offer no guarantee,
you may in fact disintegrate, but if you do make it through, I'll look
after you."
We go into a large elevator like room. (As we wait for it to activate, in
the background I see a boy, who wears a rather undersized scrawny icon,
complaining to his father that he lost his fat/mass allotment to his sister
during the transition when they entered this virtual reality program
because of a computer glitch. She likes the result, which gave her a better
body, and refuses to give the mass back. The father patiently reminds the
boy - obviously for the third or fourth time, that the computer people
agreed to keep the settings that way, and he had already agreed to it.) The
elevator activates, I sense movement and see lights flashing, and for a
moment my blond companion looks like she'll make it. But then I see her
begin to evaporate before my eyes, until nothing more than a conical wedge
of pseudo flesh remains, about a foot long and shrinking rapidly. I pick it
up, and as it disappears I wonder if virtual people have souls, and if so,
where they go. Feeling a bit saddened, and hoping that she still exists in
some form, I wish "her" well.
Suddenly, with a small shock I find myself in an enormous room, at the
top of some giant stairs, feeling quite disoriented. I feel pain as if
something like a claw had just slashed my leg, but looking around I see
nothing. I assume I still seem in VR, but somehow dumped into another
program. I then see a huge "lion" 10 feet high stalking me. I jump, and
find myself near the ceiling, 40 feet up or so. The cat nearly slashes me
again as I go down, chasing me as I jump around. Finally, I wonder if my
lucid dreaming skills might work, as the program must have some sort of
hook up with my mind and my beliefs, so on the next jump I call out "Up!
Up!" and achieve a sort of unstable levitation - just high enough to avoid
the cat. But now that I have the leisure to look, I see that the "lion"
actually looks like a big orange housecat. As I continue to levitate, I
increase in size until I now fit my surroundings - in an analogue of my
usual human size, in an ordinary house, with an ordinary orange housecat.
The housecat now ignores me, and I see another virtual animal - a Labrador
retriever with a red coat. I pat it on the head, wondering just how
attached one could become to these virtual animals, which somehow still
seem sort of empty, despite the realistic detail." RWPR
Commentary
After awakening I felt greatly disoriented and uncoordinated, and could
hardly navigate around the room to get a pen and notepad. Everything felt
unreal. I also felt a strange tingling sensation in my body, and felt
absolutely amazed that I could have had such a completely different "dream"
from any I had experienced before - with over 15,000 recorded! I'd eaten
and done nothing unusual to account for the dream - and had not even taken
a B vitamin before retiring at about 2 AM. I also had no overt day residue
to account for it, although I did see a movie titled "Chain Reaction" with
Keanu Reeves (who starred in The Matrix) the evening before. Also, some of
the background details may have come from Tad Williams' Otherland, the last
volume in a series of books set mostly in a detailed virtual reality which
I'd read about two months ago.
During the experience, although fully lucid in both thought and in
perception, I remained almost entirely cut off from any memories of my
actual waking physical reality situation. Instead, I had a false set of
memories, in which I remembered trying out a VR racing car simulation on
the recommendation of a friend, sometime around 2025 C.E., which I
remembered as "now". I had some difficulty remembering details during the
experience, but with everything else going on, I did not have the leisure
to reflect on the few inconsistencies that puzzled me. Only at the very
end, after successfully levitating in the air to escape the claws of the
housecat/lion, did I even vaguely consider the possibility that I might
actually dream the experience - but with the false memory I had as a
foundation, the VR explanation appeared far more congruent and convincing.
In point of fact, my assumption that I experienced a virtual reality and
not a dream as such, facilitated a mindset that made me more critically and
continuously aware of discrepancies than in even fully lucid dreams. The
incredibly detailed memory that I had after I awakened, may have resulted
from the intense mental focus that I directed at what I experienced, during
the experience. In fully lucid dreams I now take it for granted - in a
general way - that dream objects have bizarre attributes. Because of this
attitude, I only occasionally look at specific dream objects in a critical
way to see how they compare with their waking physical reality
counterparts. In this VR scenario, I felt keenly interested in how well VR
objects simulated the corresponding WPR objects, and consciously and
continuously noted any of the discrepancies between what I saw, and the
physical reality counterparts they "simulated".
I made extensive use of quotation marks (" ") in the dream account above
to indicate my continuous and overt awareness - even in minor details -
that I experienced VR objects and not WPR objects. Because of this critical
mindset, I looked at everything in the dreamscape with fresh eyes, trying
to take nothing for granted. Even so, in a technical sense this dream does
not qualify as a "lucid" because I did not realize that I dreamed. Only
the fact that I based my judgment of the situation on a false (or perhaps a
future?) 2025 memory prevented me from realizing that I dreamed. The VR
explanation just seemed far more congruent with what I experienced than did
a dream explanation. This experience brings to light some interesting
speculations on the relationships between lucidity, memory and personal
identity.
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dream-flow@... Digest #1 09/29/2000
This issue includes volume #570 - #579
Hello and welcome to the DREAM SECTION of Electric Dreams.
This section is edited by Elizabeth Westlake and the DreamEditor, a
software creation of Harry Bosma, author of the Dream interpretation and
journaling software "Alchera".
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Message: 570-001
Subject: two dogs
dream_title: two dogs
dream_date: repeated
dreamer_name: About Dogs
dream_text: On different occasion I've had dreams in which there have been
a pair of dogs who looked to be walking together. Two newborn puppies or in
other dreams numbers of vicious attacking dogs.
These dreams have also included scenes in which I saw some form of human or
animal excrement.
dream_comments: what could these things represent
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Message: 570-002
Subject: the land
dream_title: the land
dream_date: 9-4-02
dreamer_name: Meauctore
dream_text: I am standing on the top of this land. It is dead and has no
life as the moon comes up i see that the moon looks happy and then i see
out of the corner of the moons eye a teardrop and when it lands on the
land, the land comes to life and i look and see the dead land has come to
life the birds and trees the waterfall that was once was dead and not
moving comes to life the sounds that the animals i hear them. i lok at them
and when i notice the sun comeing up the moon looks sad and i look at then
sun and he is happy and then when i look at the land where the sun has hit
the land is dead and the moon fall behind the horizon and weep i here her
crying and then sun is laughing.
dream_comments: please tell me what this means
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Message: 570-003
Subject: Being Followed
dream_title: Being Followed
dream_date: 18/09/2002
dreamer_name: LI
dream_text: I was being followed, for the whole day someone was following
me. Every time i thought i lost him, he would turn up. Then i get on a
train late in that day, i get off and he is there. I go out of the train
station, very scared, and i see this guy that i am presently seeing. We
hadn't arranged to meet, but he came to get me. He has his car and we
go, i am safe.
Comments:
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Message: 570-004
Subject: DEATH
dream_title: DEATH
dream_date: 19 SEPT AND 17 SEPT 2002
dreamer_name: MORDECAI
dream_text: i HAD TWO DREAMS two days apart. In the first one; It was dark
I was in a vehicle driving in a town. I know my wife and seven year old
sone were somewhere in the back seat. I was seated in the from but someone
else was driving. Threre was someone else in the back two. The car stopped
and there were two men standing beside it. The one right outside my window
had a black and white patterned hawaian shirt. No words were spoken but I
knew they were carjackers and armed as most Nairobi gangsters are. The fear
arose because somehow I knew they were totally ruthless and my son was in
the car. I was so afraid I tried to turn in my seat to comfort my son or
find some way of protecting him but could manage only a hoarse word. It
ended abruptly.
Two days later. This one was chilling but brilliant, all the same: I
noticed a severed head on the floor of my office. It was the head of an
elderly Asian man. Funnily enough neither myself nor my employees took any
notice. We just ignored it and carried on working like it wasnt there The
head remained there and over a few days and decomposed till only a face
remained buzzed over by a few flies. A day later I was talking to my
landlord and some other people were there. It was a relaxing situation on a
verandah across from the office. I notice many people in the office and
went to see what was going on.I found my employees and all my family
obviously agitated about the face. My elder brother said'XXXXX what have
you done'. Funnily the face had now changed to a little african girls with
large white eyes. It was now alive though only a face with
no head behind it and blinking alot. My brother again said 'I know it will
follow me' as he walked out terrified trying to get away from it. The face
rose about a foot off the ground and followed him out the door. Neither
menacing or threatening, just following. A face without a head. But a fully
formed face that looked normal from straight ahead. I found myself outside
and the face now looked at me. I tried to get away from it and walked into
the office.it just glided along a foot of the ground
behind me just looking at me and blinking. the dream ended!!! wow. am I in
trouble
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Message: 570-005
Subject: Immortality
dream_title: Immortality
dream_date: 09-21-02
dreamer_name: fire
dream_text: In my dream It is a big nasty storm was a flood and i was
floating over the flood and Lightning hit or struck me and then a Tidal
wave came and i felt it.
The tidal wave soared above me and crashed over me it felt real. I thought
was dead but i was not dead Lightning came out of eyes and hands to. Why?
dream_comments: My dream felt real why?
Comments:
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Message: 570-006
Subject: houdini
dream_title: houdini
dreamer_name: vi ringgold
dream_text: in a dream i am watching a screen, it is the quickbrushstrokes
that form a painting, before me. the screen grows larger as the dark
strokes become overlayed with some ancient dawn, we are watching then the
pastel illumination of some canyon. it grows slowly and i know i am
watching the chronicle of time itself slowly slowly, and then a boy on a
bicycle comes from the bottom left, taking a path up the hill and into
civilization. the screen is stepped into and the boy followed. it becomes
a chronicle of the role of magic thru time, when at first through the
forest behind the boy the magic was real, living in nature and every being,
inside us. the boy rides into town, and magic becomes consolidated into
centers, amusement parks like coney island where the magicians were real
and the audience believed. and then a disbelief steals through the center
itself, and we are left with a tragicomic hobo magician, offering paper
flowers made from trash in the midst of county fair crowds.
dream_comments: try spinning
Comments:
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Message: 570-007
Subject: sex
dream_date: sept.20,2002
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: me and my exboyfriend were having sex
dream_comments: i have a new boyfriend and my old one wants me to go out
with him again
Comments:
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Message: 570-008
Subject: Flight of the Lover
dream_title: Flight of the Lover
dream_date: 9/17/02
dreamer_name: Rodg
dream_text: I was in some sort apartment complex, where four apartment
buildings were arranged ina "box formation". There was a rectangular, grass
courtyard bordered by a concrete walkway. I was running laps, taking long
strides as I went.(I'm about 6'6" tall) In the middle of my 4th or 5th lap,
I "awoke" in my dream. The one thing I love to do when this happens, is
fly. So I took a couple long strides, dove ahead into the air and extended
my arms in front of me. I was off with complete control of my altitude and
direction. As I flew over one house, there was young woman raking leaves
in her
backyard. She noticed me and was motioning back towards her house(which I
had just passed.) I nodded my head as to say o.k. and turned around. On her
rooftop was her young daughter, naked I think. I guess she was stuck up
there or something, anyway I landed on the roof. There was a short
conversation about what, I don't know and I remember asking her if she
wanted me to "eat her". (As in oral sex.) She agreed and as I flickered my
tongue over her clitoros, it stung me. ??? Shortly after finishing, I flew
off. I don't know......
Comments:
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Message: 570-009
Subject: Mother Tersa/virgin Mary
dream_title: Mother Tersa/virgin Mary
dream_date: 9/24/02
dreamer_name: mistic
dream_text: I was walking to go into store where I work and MotherTersa was
standing in front of store in white nun attire.I went up to her to ask her
why she had come ,next we where in a 2 story room with hard wood floors and
trianglure shaped walls of white and lights shining in room. Mother Tersa
did not speak to me directly she was nealing in the middle of the floor as
if in prayer . i saw the virgin Mary in the room and Mother Tersa was
speaking for her and said she was unhappy about angus of god . and then i
wased what is the angus of god and in a strange language spoke to me ,which
I did not understand than vansished along with The virgin Mary.
dream_comments: I find this strange seeing I am baptist .I am truely
stumped ,would be grateful for aliittle help.
Comments:
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Message: 570-010
Subject: Every Womans Nightmare
dream_title: Every Womans Nightmare
dream_date: 25/09/02
dreamer_name: Lilly
dream_text: Soaring, flying through the air when i begin to fall. I fall
past buildings hills and fially land at the door of an abandoned cottage
with a little girl and boy at my side. At this point i fear someone is
watching me. The three of us enter the cottage whilst looking after the
children i discover i can move objects by thinking with all my
concentratin. I hear someting. A dark figure its every where but still with
my power i lock all windows then turned around to a scream the children
were gone. Days past and i still couldnt leave the cottage i finally
drifted asleep and was tortured with metal curtain hooks being forced up
into my whomb by the devil himself. I awoke screqaming with severe pain in
my abdomen.
dream_comments: I fear this dream is something to do with my infertilty and
is one of many horrific nightmares that appera to me every time i fall
asleep. If you know of any help i could receive i would be grateful if you
would write to me at
janet@... please use my e-mail
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Message: 570-011
Subject: I have a dream
dream_title: I have a dream
dream_date: 9-26
dreamer_name: hondaman242002@yahoo
dream_text: I keep on having dreams of blowing up the white house. I don't
know if i'm doing it or if someone else is. It has something to do with a
boat and a suv truck. maybe a linc. Nav.
Comments:
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Message: 570-012
Subject: The Fleet Market
dream_title: The Fleet Market
dream_date: 9-18-02
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: I was in a indoor fleet market, a huge hall with long tables
running horizontally donwn each lane. I was toward the end of the hall,
looking at some jewelery. As i noticed this chinesse dragon, brass ring,
someone picked it up. A
women's voice said isn't this pretty, it would look really good on you.
Before i knew it i looked up and it was my Great grandmother who past
nearly away 16 years ago. I looked at her with astonishment and surprise.
She smiled at me as i begain to cry in my dream. My crying seemd to come
from the pit of my stomach. As i told her how much i missed her, and told
her i didn't understand why she was there. I cried and cried! She said i am
here, don't worry i am here. Then for some reason i had to leave, so as i
began to turn to my right to walk away. I have this feeling to look back,
and at the end of the hall at the oppisite side, i see an uncle (whom i
wasn't as close with)at the enterance of the other end looking at me. He
died just last year. He stood in the doorway and stared at me with a smile
on his face, he waved and that was it. But what i
noticed that was ever more odd was that the door way was a huge enterance,
with a very bright light coming through. I also distinctly remember
thinking in the dream, how odd, why would i think of my uncle and grandma
together in a dream? The were on differnt sides of the family and had a
different signifagance to me. Then i waved back as i continued to, turned
back around in my original direction and continued to walk out of the
hall. Then i woke up, but i remember feeling as if i was still crying or
had been really crying. Like out of breath and choked up and all...I just
wonder what this means...
dream_comments: I just am confussed about what this could mean, i am afraid
if they are telling me something back will happen, like me dying or to be
careful or just letting me know that they are watching, or if they are
asking me to pray for them... I don't know... Can you please give me your
thoughts on it?
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Message: 570-013
Subject: Girl Of MyDreams
dream_title: Girl Of MyDreams
dream_date: 09/26/02
dreamer_name: Waverider
dream_text: For The last few months I have dream of this girl that I liked
in college, but she graduated about two years ago and I found out she got
married. My dream usually consists of both of us being alone, I am always
telling her to please give me a chance to show her my love. Does this mean
I may see her again or is just another dream! I would really apreciate some
feedback. Thanks
dream_comments: Please use my e-mail
Comments:
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Message: 570-014
Subject: Unorganized wedding
dream_title: Unorganized wedding
dream_date: 25/9/02
dreamer_name: baby_b
dream_text: it began at a church with my parents present. we were outside
in the parking lot waiting for my husband-to-be to arrive. I was wearing an
awful white wedding dress, looked like a meringue and the top had one pink
stripe down the front of it.My groom arrived late and he turned out to be
my current boyfriend (who I've only been seeing for 2 months). He was
wearing tracksuit bottoms and trainers. I nearly cried and said "this is
meant to be my special day and look what you're wearing!!"
The parking lot was desolate, no guests. But i do remember this one girl,
who I'm not talking to at the moment after a major fight, was there. i
invited her to the reception. we then decided to go to the meal and
reception (we didn't actually get married). But no one had organized cars,
the meal or the reception. i then found myself on a bus without my parents
or groom, in my wedding dress inviting a few people to this
reception that wasn't planned. this one annoying 12 year old who gets my
actual bus during the week started hassling me and i told him if he dirtied
my wedding dress i'd kill him.
dream_comments: I haven't a clue what this means. Does it mean im
committing to my boyfriend of 2 months too much? Or perhaps he doesn't care
very much about me? The lack of organisation - perhaps I need to arrange my
life better? I'd appreciate it a lot if you could contribute your thoughts
on the meaning. Thanks.
Comments:
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Message: 570-015
Subject: Long Ago Love
dream_title: Long Ago Love
dream_date: July or so 2002
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: I am in a very large room on the main floor. This room has at
least two more levels with guard rails on all four sides. This seems to be
a public place, because people are coming and going. I am in the middle of
the room, sitting with
a past love. We are talking, embracing each other and kissing. More
kissing than any thing. We feel pleasently happy, content and warm. After
a while I look up. There on the second level is my husband watching me and
my love. He has no expression. I never let go of my love. Basically, I
ignore my husband and continue with my love.
dream_comments: Dear Editor: Please help me understand this dream. I have
had another dream about this same guy a couple of days ago. But, we were
in a house with a couple of rooms and we talked a lot with some kissing.
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Message: 571-001
Subject: wedding
dream_title: joey
dream_date: wedding
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: okay we were at are wedding and we were about to say our i
do's. When he was about to say i do he was shot bye a hand gun he fell on
me and my dress top was red in blood. I was laying beside him and his last
words were i do (anonymous) i love you and then i said i love you to and
then we kissed and he died.
dream_comments: okay all my dreams i have we are either dating or
something and he always dies what does this meen
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Message: 571-002
Subject: The Darkest Man
dream_title: The Darkest Man
dream_date: 9-26-02
dreamer_name: Q
dream_text: I am walking and in the beginning to my right there is an ocean
and people gathering around. I am watching observing young teenagers
gathering along the cost on the sand to enjoy the beach. There are young
kids there as well intermixed with the teenagers. to my mid-left there is a
group of adult horses, not many... maybe about 5. Now I am on my bike
riding over towards those horses. The beach turns into medium sized rocks
and a bit of grass. Ahead of me I see the rocks drop gradually merge into a
drop, as if a down slope in the mountain. I continue riding and see a pony
which had fallen got stuck down that slope. I brought the pony back to the
older horses. Afterwards, I continue down the slope in which I realize ther
was a young boy around 10 years of age riding next to me but not
necessarily with me. We continue riding and go deeper down into the forest,
until we realize that we are in some inhabited area. It is an area that
looks deserted, yet we can feel there is someone there. We continue riding
now in a large hallway. The hallway is not enclosed, but it is cemented, as
if someone tried to build a habitable place deep in the forest. Both of us
come to the drop of the hallway. Next thing, I can feel the boy crying. He
has been caught by this person. I hurry trying to find my way back up this
cement drop, but I look around and see different doors and can feel this
mans psyche and darkness in all the rooms and feel the heaviness of
breathing all around. But, I have to get out. So, I keep trying to climb,
and drag my bike with me. I know I will need this bike to get out of there
quickly. I see an opening in the forest surrounded by small hills of trees
in close proximity. I am peddling, but can still feel this mans darkness
around. Finally, I see a bit of a building and opening to a neighbor hood.
I continue past this building ,which appears to be a convienience store,
into the suburban neighborhood. The houses are new and compact and modern.
There are kids playing in the street and the pool. I asked them if there
were a history of kids missing, they said yes but didn't seem to concerned.
The adults seemed even less concerned. And, then my next thought was that
this is not much safer than were I just was and decided to keep going
further on my bike. That is when I awoke.
dream_comments: I am 24 and have had dreams every night- many of them each
night- since I was 6 or so. I have been able to defeat demons, vampires,
sharks and snakes occassionally and techno worlds occasionally. However, I
can never do anything to defeat the characters in my dreams that involve
serial killers, psychotics or evil consumed men with dark death obsessions.
This is one of my less dramatic dreams, but the most recent.I find the
study of my dreams interesting, and hope it is of some benefit to you.
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Message: 571-003
Subject: Why are you trying to kill me????
dream_title: Why are you trying to kill me????
dream_date: @ least once a week
dreamer_name: Murdered in her dream
dream_text: I have this dream @ least once a week. I dream that is always
me and one other person. It's always dark and I can never see the other
persons face. I'm a female. I don't know if the other person in my dream is
a female or male. This person is always trying to kill me for some reason.
There is never any sound exept for my cries or screams. This person either
tryes to shoot, stab or kill me in any way possible. i'm always running.
Then I become aware that I'm dreaming and I tell myslef to scream really
loud so some one in the house can hear me and wake me up. When ever I try
to scream nothing comes out and I become very paranoid and most of the time
I tend to wake up having troube breathing. Please try to help me. This is
becoming a very big problem to me. I lose many hours of sleep over this.
dream_comments: PLEASE SOMEONE TRY TO HELP ME!!!!!!!!!
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Message: 571-004
Subject: Marraige
dream_title: Marraige
dream_date: 9-27-02
dreamer_name: iloveu
dream_text: I am 62 and married but i dreamed that i an getting married
with my present wife at the same age when we where married and i am making
invitation list. i also had marraige invitation card printed and i was
talking to my sister where she told me that she will get me bed set for my
marraige gift and it was time to bring my wife to work and she wake me uo.
dream_comments: I would like to know the interpretation of my dream.
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Message: 572-001
Subject: Bizzare
dream_title: Bizzare
dream_date: 26/09/02
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: I dreamt I was married to an old school friend, and was
pregnant.(I am 19 weeks pregnant and married, but not to the school
friend.) In the dream I went off road driving with another old family
friend. Whislt driving we started to divulge deeply passionate feelings for
each other, and it was decided I would leave my (schoolfriend) husband. My
family did not approve, and my lover and I decided to stay friends as we
are,but were both very upset about it. My husband having heard the
conversation with my family left me,and demanded a paternity test to
establish if the baby was his, when it was born. I woke up after giving my
husband advice on taking parental leave to deal with the stress I had
caused him.
dream_comments: The person who played my husband in the dream is actually
my best friend from the age of 6. The person who was my lover is indeed a
long term friend of my mothers, and someone I think very fondly of as a
member of the family and someone incidently I have not seen for about 7yrs.
It was vey vivd and I woke up thinking it very bizzare. Any
interpretations would be welcomed.
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Message: 572-002
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Message: 573-001
Subject: Good Vs. Evil
dream_title: Good Vs. Evil
dream_date: Recurring (9/23-9/30)
dreamer_name: Ellie Mae
dream_text: Ok, so I've had this recurring dream. I've had it at least 5
times and every night that I have it, I awake curled up in a ball, panting,
sweating, and with a migraine. It starts out with me completely alone at
night in the middle of the woods.
And I walk around for a while, when I see a man leaning against a stump
with a knife in his hand. So I walk up to him and he hands me the knife
and tells me to kill something, it's different every night. Well, I take
the knife and I'm totally scared, so I start running around this path, and
all these demons are running after me and I just keep running in circles
around this path and I can't escape everything, and I can't make it
stop. But then, all of a sudden I'm right back at the beginning and it's
all happening again. And I do this routine EVERY night about 3 times until
the last time I don't take the knife and I try to just run by him and as
I'm running, the other side of the forest becomes well lit with bright
white lights and like little fireflies are all around...so I run to that
side, and I wake up right before I step into that side of the woods.
dream_comments: I'm not sure what this means. In the dream, I felt some
sort of good vs. evil thing, but I'm just not sure what to make out of
this. I don't know of any internal/external conflicts that I have going on
right now.
Comments:
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Message: 573-002
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Message: 574-001
Subject: Boyfriend Cheating
dream_title: Boyfriend Cheating
dream_date: 10-01-2002
dreamer_name: Sarah
dream_text: I was outside my boyfriends house with him, all of a sudden his
cell phone rang. I could hear a girl on the phone, a girl I have accused
him of being attracted to. Then I went inside his house and called her, she
confirmed their affair. He denied it. Then a couple days later, I called
his house and no one answered. So I went over their to find him in bed with
her. They ended up together and I was all alone.
dream_comments: please reply to me and tell me what this means at
Godess5250@...
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Message: 575-001
Subject: whole in my navel
dream_title: whole in my navel
dream_date: 3rd october 2002
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: Hi I am very concern about my dreams. Last night i dreamt i
had a fight (not physical) with my neigbour. For some reason he threw
rubbish in our living room. So i called the police and i started yelling at
him . When i looked down i notice my navel had a big whole in it and had
little eggs in the whole. And just recently again i dreamt of something and
when i looked down i saw Urine(peepee) running from my navel whole. Please
tell me what that means. I am really scared.
dream_comments: I really want to know what does that mean
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Message: 575-002
Subject: Chased
dream_title: Chased
dream_date: 2 September 2002
dreamer_name: Twinky
dream_text: I'm always dreaming that I'm being chased. The scenarios are
always different but I'm always having to run to save my life. I have to
outwit my pursuer and get away as best i can. I always feel somehow impared
when I run like there are weights on my legs holding me back. Sometimes but
not all the time I have to help someone escape with me always having to
tell them them to forget this or that and just run - it's like this
overwhelming sense of duty to help them escape as well and they are always
strangers. The dreams or what should probably be called nightmares are very
elaborate. I've never been caught in these dreams but at the same time I've
never really escaped because I wake up. These dreams or nightmares make me
feel very tired and sometimes make me feel out of sorts for the whole day.
dream_comments: I'd really like get to the bottom of why I constantly have
these dreams so that I can hopefully identify and rectify what is wrong in
my life.
Comments:
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Message: 575-003
Subject: Codename chimpanzee
dream_title: Codename chimpanzee
dream_date: 1/10/02
dreamer_name: doomsday
dream_text: Me and my form were driving down a road in a bus next to the
sea. Our tutor was reading the register backwards and after each name she
would give us some sort of name. One person was called FAG and another was
called CHIMPANZEE. She was just about to get to my name when my alarm went
off and I had to get up and face Fag and chimpanzee.
Comments:
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Message: 575-004
Subject: Venemous snakes
dream_title: Venemous snakes
dream_date: 2/10/02
dreamer_name: snake eyes
dream_text: I keep having a reocurring dream (over past 2mths ie once to
twice a month) whereby 2 skinny green snakes are around my feet all the
time, ie I could be in bed, standing in the supermarket etc. I move around
very quietly trying not to agitate them as they are venomous and I will die
if they bite me. Everytime I wake up I have succeeded in not being bitten.
Comments:
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Message: 575-005
Subject: me and Amy
dream_title: me and Amy
dream_date: september
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: I had a dream that I had sex with a girl named amy.
dream_comments: what does this mean
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Message: 575-006
Subject: non
dream_title: non
dream_date: cant remember
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: i cant remeber much of it cuz it was the same night i smoked 4
bowls...yes i know ....anyways that day i realized that i need to stop all
that nonsense....i wnet home and i took a nap right away and i had a
nithmare,it was about me getting killed by me.and after i killed
myself,well it wasnt really killing myself(suicide),it was just
another me...well ill continue..afterwards,i went on a killing spree...i
killed everyone,everyone i hate..which is alot of people...what exactly
does this mean???
dream_comments: what do you think this means???
senadab6@...
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Message: 575-007
Subject: Just before Dawn
dream_title: Just before Dawn
dream_date: 10/04/02
dreamer_name: M.
dream_text: This dream happened around 530 in the am, and was somewhat
unnerving. It seems as though I "interrupted the dream, because it was
already in progress. It also seems as though it was not completed when I
awakened. As I recall, an old friend of mine (I have not seen since high
school)and my self were arriving at a house (I am assuming it was mine
because as I got in I was starting laundry and running bath water)I breifly
spoke to him specifically calling him by his first and last name. As I
walked out of the bathroom, I noticed that all of the lights I had
previously turned on were out and would not come back on. Curiously, the
only light that would come on was the bathroom. The room I had just left. I
immediately grabbed my keys and ran out, calling his name only once. I ran
to the side of the house attempting to get to my car, only to have
someone/something grab me as say "we can make this easy or we can do this
the hard way". I did not recognize the voice. It was gravely and course.
His breathing was labored. Sencing fear and imminent danger to my self, I
attempted to break away, even piercing the soft area on the left side of
his laryx with my keys...It was at that time that I awakened..Nervous. It
was 0545, almost time to wake up for the day.
dream_comments: Ominous, scared...Please give me your honest thoughts and
opinions. thanks, M.
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Message: 576-001
Subject: the garden of natural selection
(note: stan requests that his name and address be kept with the dream - rcw)
DATE : 5 oct 2002 04:15
DREAM : the garden of natural selection
stan kulikowski ii <
stankuli@...>
=( last night was friday, and i did just the usual stuff. in the early
part of the evening i smoked a little medicine to relieve the nagging pain
in my shoulder. this bursitis has been worse but it is expected to heal
very slowly so i must be patient with it. mom watched some new series on
television. _firefly_ about a low tech spaceship seems a little
disappointing-- no aliens, no robots, very little scifi-- just experimental
humanoid societies like _star trek_. i do not expect this series to
succeed since it has to make it only on the personalities of the crew. more
lame broadcast programming in the tradition of _quantum leap_. _farscape_
at least has puppets for nonhuman creatures and _lexx_ has a robotic
head. later we watched a few episodes of _babylon 5_, the series we
started a couple weeks ago. i went to bed around 00:30 and got to sleep
without much difficulty. )=
there. i have finished typing the last page and pull the white paper fresh
from the old typewriter. the platen clicks reassuringly as it gives up
grip on the finished product. i am to read this technical paper before a
conference of distinguished scientists and scholars. i look at my watch to
discover that i have about half an hour to spare. i would have liked a
little more time to rehearse reading it aloud, but there just is not time
to do it. just enough to walk over there where thousands of academically
distinguished have gathered to hear learned discussions on detailed knowledge.
my paper is on the formal aspects of generative grammar applied to gestured
languages like the deaf use, but in this case much simpler examples from
neandrathals, some of the great apes, and finally children and handicapped
retarded peoples. i can not imagine just now why i undertook to type the
thing on an antique machine like this underwood typewriter instead of my
usual array of computers, but my fingers have the slightly fatigued feel
from all the pounding of the keys to produce the clackty clack noises and
dark smudges more or less evenly spaced on the slightly crumpled paper. the
title on the first page reads "the garden of natural selection".
oops. time to scoot if i am to be on time. i put the twenty or so double
spaced pages into a thin cardbox box just sized to hold fresh paper, then
get up to leave. when i exit the small room i have been working in, i
discover that i am in the library annex of local high school. the
conference is being held a few buildings down on the public school campus.
the exit is nearby.
when i step outside, i am confronted by a soldier in camouflage military
fatigues. i know him to be the leader of ROTC unit here. "will you take
two of the russian exchange cadets with you?" he asks. "they were on
disciplinary detention until now and do not know the way to the conference."
of course i agree to escort them. two young men come when called. they
are dressed in fancy dress uniform and quickly fall into step behind me as
a hurry along the side walk. the heels of their polished boots make a
comforting cadence as they march. my softer civilian shoes make no
impression at all.
two more buildings down the way, i see where the conference is being held,
but the sidewalk ends just short of there. we have to wade through long
uncut grasses to come up behind the building. there are two ornate doors,
both shut and locked. i choose the furthest door as closer to the back
stage of the auditorium within. i pound loudly on the door.
but it is the other door about 30 meters back which opens and a priest in
his robes and vestments steps out. he gestures for us to come back.
"is there any reason you can not open this door?" i shout back to him. it
really is much easier to get to where we need to be by this door.
"that door was sealed years ago, and no one has a key." he yells back us,
so we walk down the marble stairs and tromp back through the tall weeds to
the other door.
once inside, i point down a hallway to the general auditorium and the two
military cadets march off, still in perfect step. i head the other way
toward the stage area.
i no sooner arrive at the stage door when my friend, witherspoon, comes up
with another man. "you certainly know how to wait until the last possible
minute." herold says to me, taking the light box with the paper in it. he
and the other man want to proof read it for technical errors before i read
it, but i doubt there is time. i go down the waiting ramp in the wings to
the main stage.
i see that there is a short break before my scheduled time. there are a
number of professors coming and going into the main auditorium which is
abuzz with that sound made by large audiences at their leisure. i feel a
slight thrill of expectancy that in a few moments they will quiet down into
attentive silence to hear my words on theoretic generative grammar.
soon witherspoon and the other man come back. they had divided up the
paper so each only got to read half of it. i can see that the other man
has marked up his pages with frequent comments in a bright red pen. i hope
that i can still read my manuscript and maybe incorporate some of his
addenda while keeping a coherent reading voice. thankfully, witherspoon's
pages are hardly marked at all.
a portly woman has joined them and she hands me the bibliography references
from the end. "you know," she starts to say, "in the proper reference
format, the dates go here while the volume numbers are placed here." she
points to a few marks she has made on the typescript.
i consider her comments for a little then feel a little peeved. here i am
at showtime and she is criticizing some minor detail relevant only to
photoready production. "look, the turabian and chicago styles of reference
are arcane details of academic nonsense at this point. my reference style
just puts the data in the natural order of its salience and leaves it at
that." i snatch the pages away from her with a jerk and put them at the
end of the pile of pages. she walks away with an annoyed sniff. i did not
find her to be very helpful.
now the master of ceremonies walks up to me and asks if i am ready. i nod
affirmative. he is dressed in a long formal black tuxedo with white paper
collar. he leads me up the ramp.
i can feel that my shirt has pulled partially out from my pants, but when i
try to smooth it back it rumples. so i decide to just pull it out all the
way. since i will be standing behind a large wooden podium while reading
my paper, it should not matter at all whether it is tucked in or not, so
long as the top looks smooth. no sooner do we arrive at the edge of the
stage then a bright spotlight hits me with it warm glow.
the audience laughs as the master of ceremonies separates from me. i just
now notice that i am wearing an old comfortable pair of cutoff jeans so my
long legs are exposed. why didn't i think to wear a new suit or tuxedo to
this? i do not know but there is nothing for it now except to try to stay
comfortable being way underdressed.
"and now for the next paper in our linguistics section." the mc says into
a microphone from his lectern. i look around, but i do not see the podium
i had practiced upon. a stage hand in the wings gestures for me to come
over there.
as i walk offstage, a dean from a nearby college comes over to me. "all
this rubbish about gesture languages needs to be toned down. they are
semiotic speech acts and have very little generative properties at all."
"i have quite a bit of experience with signed languages." i tell him. "and
you will find empirical data supports a formal syntactic approach." i have
no more time to debate this now.
i am taken way back stage to a side room where about twelve caterers are
preparing a buffet side board for the next break. there beside the wall is
a small wooden lectern. i am expected to read by paper back here? i put
my pages on the podium and look around. "where is the microphone?" i ask.
one of the cooks points to small gooseneck microphone suspended about three
feet to my right. "can't that be put in the middle of my stand about
here?" i indicate the space just above the pages i have to read.
the cook shrugs and pulls the microphone with its cord way back into the
food preparations so to reroute its path up to my reading area. i know the
audience is getting impatient out there in the hushed dark, waiting to hear
my voice come over the speakers.
finally the kitchen staff manage to get the mic within a foot of my desired
position, so i will just have to live with that.
"do you know who this is?" he points to small brass plate engraved with
many names, covered with a sprinkling of white flour. the name he wants
says 'cerf'.
"i suspect that is vinton cerf. he is considered to be the father of the
internet. he wrote the IP and TCP protocols for datagram handling." i
will be pleased if he is attending this conference. we exchanged some
email a few years back about internet history, and i would like to meet him
soon.
i click the on button to activate the voice pickup.
"the natural garden of evolution." i say.
oops. i just misread the title of the paper which should have been 'the
garden of natural selection'. well, i will have to wing it from here.
perhaps i can give some ad lib slant to some of the conclusion material to
support this new title.
but as i take the steadying deep breathe to begin the formal reading, i
discover that the first page just looks like dingbat symbols, none of which
i can read. what's this? have i suddenly gone dyslexic?
i start to speak, making up an introduction.
"imagine if you will, a garden of earthly delights, peopled by savages who
are both well suited to their comfortable environment and happy by nature
to share the bounty provided by hunting and gathering in their eden."
i am rapidly turning pages, hoping that english which i can read will show
up in the first few pages. none does.
=( i awake and the feeling of frustration which i was just starting to
experience in the dream quickly falls away. i feel somewhat relieved and
glad to be awake. herold witherspoon and vinton cerf are from my waking
life and appear pretty much in the dream as i know them. herold is a
retired artist that i know. he would have little experience in proofing a
paper on linguistic theory, so maybe he substituted the pages with dingbat
characters as a joke, perhaps. vint cerf did comment on an early timeline
of internet history that i put on the internet engineering task force many
years ago. a couple days ago i spoke with an honors student who will be
working on filling in a web site with historical data from this task. all
the other people in this dream are unknown to me and i get little
associations from them. i did study linguistic grammars in graduate school
at the university of massachusetts in amherst before i got invested in
computer technology. this locale was not there, however, being more like a
high school campus and typewriting was a skill i developed back then. being
suddenly underdressed at a gathering, or suddenly unable to read a document
seem to be common dream dilemmas. i suppose this might indicate that my
present life or career seems somewhat stalled, and perhaps i am not as
comfortable with that as i think. )=
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Message: 576-002
Subject: Tibetan Procelain
Title: Tibetan Porcelain
Date: Oct 6, 2002
Dreamer: Dreambat
I'm in a very tall building that is a kind of commercial and business site.
I am in one of the elevators and its not operating well. I have to do odd
things to get it to work. I go up more floors than needed, then come down
(rather than go to the floor I need to go to directly). I get off on one
floor and find there is no way down. I have to cross the floor, which seems
like a law office or insurance company with the typical module set up on a
high floor (10-100 floor). I go down to a lower floor, (4-10) and get off
in a kind of market or potpourri. I need to pick up a present for a client.
They are having a wedding, I think an Asian couple. I ask what design of
porcelain is popular these days and an Asian woman takes me to a set of
heavy ceramics that are basically off white, speckled. They have heavy or
thick blue calligraphy in the centers and a thick blue( dark gray ) line
around the edges, somewhat inside. The owner or clerk apologizes that the
really good Tibetan porcelain won't be in until the season starts (I think
rain season in the dream) and these are inferior quality, as the speckles
are white and the good stuff has darker speckles. I think or say that I
would really like to get a dish set, but Sierra reminds me that these are
simply clients hiring me to set up a site for the wedding and a gift of
that size would be more than they would pay me. I decide to settle for a
little round vase as a gift.
I get outside and need to get home. Now I am with my old friend Curtiss
and we are running. It feels really good to be able to run long distances.
I run very low to the ground, then notice this and run up more. At some
point I drop a tissue I was holding and Curtiss picks it up and gives it
back to me, as if to say, you better not litter here.
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Message: 576-003
Subject: Grandma's Jewelry Box
dream_title: Grandma's Jewelry Box
dream_date: April 2002
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: I was walking around in an unfamiliar town, yet at the same
time it was familiar. I came to a house. A large white house with columns
in the front and a porch swing. I walked in and looked around. The
furniture and other decor seemed to be from the early 1900's. Still, the
feeling of familiarity persisted. It was a beautiful house. Not overly
extravagant, but you just knew the people who lived there must have lived
very comfortably. I saw someone in the living room. She came closer and I
could see that it was my grandma. She was trying to tell me something, but
her words wouldn't come out. Although I couldn't understand exactly what
she was saying I knew that it was very important to her. In her hand she
held a red velvet jewelry box and she was holding it out to me. Trying to
give it to me. Then she opened it and took out a key. It was the key inside
the jewelry box that was important, not the box itself. I wanted to help
her, but she couldn't speak. Then we heard someone approaching, my grandma
looked very afraid of this. So that made me afraid, and I ran.
dream_comments: My Grandma died when I was 2 yrs old. I don't really
remember her, but I remember her funeral. I told my mom and dad about this
dream. They said that she did own a jewelry box just how I described the
one in my dream, but I couldn't have possibly known about it.
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Message: 576-004
Subject: Rope Bridge
dream_title: Rope Bridge
dream_date: re-occuring
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: My wife is approaching an unsafe or unstable bridge, she tries
to cross the bridge, but she is scared and normally ends up crossing on her
hands and knees, until last night when she couldn't cross at all. last
night I was also in her dream, and I attempted to cross the bridge, but as
I was re-assuring her and showing off I slipped off the bridge, and was
hanging on underneath. This is all she can remember about the dream... we
are in your hands
dream_comments: this is my wifes re-occuring dream
Comments: 576-005
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Message: 576-005 [576-004]
Subject: Re: Rope Bridge
Regarding Rope Bridge Dream:
I am praying about this one. I can see the anxiety in it. If you would
like to talk more about it, you could contact me at
denisem@...
. I will post a reply as soon as I have one, in any case.
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Message: 577-001
Subject: Healers
dream_title: healers
dream_date: 10/08/02
dreamer_name: starryeyez
dream_text: Actually i was just wondering if anyone could help me with a
dream i have recently had.....All i can recall about the dream is being in
an intense amount of pain. I cant recall where i was and i had no sense of
time. A woman walks up to me in the dream as i lay helpless in pain and
puts her hand on my right side just under my ribs(where the pain was
occuring) and mutters something to me and turns and walks out of the room
and i am suddenly cured! If anyone has any ideals about this dream please
let me know your thoughts
dream_comments: my email address is
cowgirlmg2000@... please do not
post this but if anyone happens to send in any thoughts please email me
thank you very much
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Message: 578-001
Subject: Odd place to scream
dream_title: Odd place to scream
dream_date: 10/07/02
dreamer_name: phoenixlatina
dream_text: My dream starts with two boys a 12 year old and 7 year old, =
walking down step. Scattered around them are decomposing children. Some =
in the early stages some already watery and fragile to the touch. The =
boys are wearing loan cloths only, but the dead children are dressed in =
robs. As the boys get to the bottom of the stairs a lady in a gray rob =
comes in with a janitorial type of broom. She starts sweeping the dead =
children to a pile. The next thing I see is a man standing on a platform =
and he pushes a button, a rocket launches and the man say =93God have =
mercy on their souls=94. Than I am walking in a town. The town is small, =
and poor. There are street light but the roads are dirt. A yellow car =
drives bys as I turn the corner. As I approach an alley way I hear a =
psst, beckoning me. I turn down the alley way and a hefty male is = sitting
on a truck tire. He starts to get up and that when I start to = scream,
DON=94T, STOP. And then I woke up. Screaming in my conscious = state.
Comments:
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Message: 579-001
Subject: Robbery
dream_title: Robbery
dream_date: October 9 2002
dreamer_name: Andy
dream_text: I had a dream that my house was being robbed, I had to grab my
kids, bring them in my bed room to let my wife protect while I went to
attack the intruders. Once I start to confront them I wake up. I have had
this dream on several occasions, months, sometimes years apart. I wake up
in a sweat and my heart beating very rapidly.
Comments: 579-004
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Message: 579-002
Subject: Lost and dazzed
dream_title: lost and dazzed
dream_date: 10/10/02
dreamer_name: T/T/F/N
dream_text: while i was a sleep my friend asked me if i thought that she
was ugly and she sad that i said yes. i think that in sleep state that you
say things that you dont mean.what do you think???????????
dream_comments: what dose it mean. can this be true? please help!!!!!!!!
Comments:
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Message: 579-003
Subject: Going back in time
dream_title: Going back in Time
dream_date: 10/10/02
dreamer_name: anonymous
dream_text: In my dream I went home to visit my parents in Canada. I drove
up to the house in my car (the one that I own today).. When I got to their
house, the drivway was different and there did not seem to be a
garage... (the garage, asx it is today, is under the house and the
driveway is as well) there was no underground driveway or garage that I
could see and there was an extension on the driveway that went in front of
the house where the grass used to be. It seemed strange thast they had
never mentioned changing things... I went up to the front door and rang
the bell (it was dark out) and my father answered the door. He was younger
than I am today, and he didn't know who I was, only that I looked
familiar. I convinced him to get my mother and he did... she was younger
also... Here I am standing there with my parents, I am at my present age
of 51 and they are both apparently aound 40 years old... (guessing) I
then show my mother photos of me (an album I happen to have with
me) :-) I don't remember her response.. ??? But I do remember trying to
convince her to wake me up and she did not...
also I needed to tell her that a boyfrined of mine from that time period
should have been the man I married and to try and see that I did not listen
to lies of friends that broke us up, because now we are both still unhappy
and still love each other but can do nothing about it... They thought my
car was strange and I think it scared them.... then my dream
ended.................
dream_comments: I have never had a dream quite like this one... I have
never gone back in time in any dream.. How common is this and what does it
mean.. you may use my email address
dhoward@... I am quite
anxious to get replies on this one...
Comments:
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Message: 579-004 [579-001]
Subject: Re: Robbery
I had dream recently where my house got robbed too, 'cept I had just been
reading a book about biblical prophecy and armageddon and I attributed it
to just paranoia from that. I imagine that perhaps a recurring dream of
home-thievery is just an anxiety dream for your head to deal with various
stresses.
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