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Volume #9 Issue #12

December 2002

ISSN# 1089 4284

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C O N T E N T S

++ Editor's Notes


++ The Global Dreaming News
Events - Updates - Reviews - More
From Peggy Coats - www.DreamTree.com

++ Cover Artist: Alice Egoyan
"The Great Bear Dream"

++ Column: An Excerpt From the Lucid Dream Exchange
By Lucy Gillis

++ Article: Dreams Are SLEEPING Experiences
By Linda Lane Magallón

++ Article: A View from the Bridge
Report on the World Dreams Peace Bridge
By Jean Campbell

++ Article: DreamShare : An online dream community
By Judith Gips


D R E A M S S E C T I O N : Volume #580 - #589
With Elizabeth Westlake and Harry Bosma


D E A D L I N E :
December 18th deadline for January 2003 submissions


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Send Dreaming News and Calendar Events to:
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Welcome to the November 2002 issue of Electric Dreams, your portal to
dreams and dreaming online.


If you are new to dreams and dreaming, please join us on
dreamchatters@yahoogroups.com and we will guide you to the resources you
need. To join send an e to
dreamchatters-subscribe@yahoogroups.com


If you have news items about dreams and dreaming for Peggy, send them to
her at web@...


Lucy Gillis offers a selection from the Lucid Dream Exchange this month on
lucid dreams and the grassroots lucid dreamwork movement through the eyes
of The Lucid Dream Exchange founder Ruth Sacksteder. [via a Robert Waggoner
interview] Be sure to read DreamSpeak.

Sometimes the notion of "dreams" takes on highly metaphorical tones, and
becomes more like the word "wish" or "imagination." Linda Lane Magallón
brings the notion of dreaming back to sleep and explores the REM theory and
differentiates the variety of experiences that are more appropriately
assigned to dreaming and those better assigned to waking states. Be sure to
read "Dreams Are SLEEPING Experiences."

Jean Campbell has been a key player in 21st Century dream activism and this
month has an update from the most active project, the World Dreams Peace
Bridge. In "A View from the Bridge" Jean describes one of the current
projects, the Peace Train, and how it has been dream-steaming its way
around the world.


If you have been looking for an online community with which to share
dreams, there are now hundreds. Electric Dreams has always offered the
DreamWheel, Yahoogroups and other organizations offer dozens of groups. But
which one is right for you? In her article "DreamShare : An Online Dream
Community" Judith Gips discusses the DreamShare community, based on
techniques learned from Jeremy Taylor and backed by a responsive host and
community. The community was on vacation for awhile, but now plan to start
up again and they are looking for new members. Be sure to read Judith's
article on the community and if it appeals to you, give it a try!

The Dream Section, beautifully edited by Elizabeth Westlake [with the help
of Harry Bosma's editor program], is full of dreams sent in to us over the
last month. Mad women, birthday dreams, strange letters and more await you
in the Dream Section!

If you have dreams you want published, don't send them to Elizabeth
directly, but rather enter them in the form at
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/temple
Or you can put them in the dream flow directly by subscribing
to: dream-flow-subscribe@yahoogroups.com


We don't send the cover with the e-zine, but you can view, download and
print up a copy anytime at:
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/ed-covers/
Cover artist: Alice Egoyan, Title: "The Great Bear Dream"

"Dreams are the source of our past, present, and future. Art and writing
are how I express my dreams, visions, and how the manifestations in
everyday life relate to great myths and legends."

Read more about Alice and her cover below in "The Great Bear Dream"




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For those of you who are new to dreams and dreaming, be sure to stop by one
of the many resources:
http://www.dreamtree.com
http://www.dreamgate.com/electric-dreams
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/library

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If you plan to present at the 2003 ASD International Dream Conference in
Berkeley, be sure to get your submission for presentations in by December
1! http://www.asdreams.org/2003

Next year will be Electric Dreams 10th Anniversary! Get read for some big
dreams.

-Richard Wilkerson

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If you have news you'd like to share, contact Peggy Coats,
web@.... Visit Global Dreaming News online at
http://www.dreamtree.com/


This Month's Features:
NEWS

- Dec 1 Deadline: ASD Conference presentations
- Dream Work Classes in Berkeley
- July 2003 Dream Conference in Russia
- Dream Art Opening: Brzeski in Berkeley
- Book: Dreams in Myths, Medicine, and Movies

RESEARCH & REQUESTS
- Collecting Animal Dreams
- Aggressive Womens' Dreams Needed
- Dream Team TV Show Needs Dreams
- L.A. Dreamers Needed for TV Show
- Dream Survey: Dreams about Islam?
- Computer Dreams needed

WEBSITE & ONLINE UPDATES
- Dream Science site change
- World Dreams Peace Bridge
- David Jenkins Practical Dreamwork
- RapidEyeMovement provides online dream journal
- Dreams of Peace
- Nancy Richter Brzeski online Dream Art
- Postmodern Dreaming [update]




DREAM CALENDAR for December 2002



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>>>> Dec 1 Deadline for ASD Conference Presentations
http://www.asdreams.org/2003/

Call for Presentations

Papers, Symposia, Panels, Focused Discussions, Poster Sessions, Workshops,
Artwork and General Events

Twentieth Annual International Conference of the
Association for the Study of Dreams

June 27-July 1, 2003 in Berkeley, California

www.ASDreams.org/2003
1(866) DREAM12


The Association for the Study of Dreams (ASD) is a non-profit,
international, multidisciplinary organization dedicated to the pure and
applied investigation of dreams and dreaming. Its purposes are to promote
an awareness and appreciation of dreams in both professional and public
arenas; to encourage research into the nature, function, and significance
of dreaming; to advance the application of the study of dreams; and to
provide a forum for the eclectic and interdisciplinary exchange of ideas
and information.

ASD is open to anyone who studies, explores, or works with dreams. Its
international membership has representatives from dozens of countries.
Members of ASD come from a broad range of backgrounds, including clinical
practice, academic research, laboratory experimentation, educators at every
level from pre-school to graduate professional training, the expressive and
performing arts, religious studies, and those involved in individual or
group study and exploration of dreams or dreaming. A variety of academic
disciplines and theoretical perspectives is represented among the
membership, many of whom work professionally in fields like psychology,
education, religious studies, anthropology, psychiatry, social work,
medicine, literature, art, philosophy, humanities, and business administration.




>>>> Dream Work Classes in Berkeley

David Jenkins offers classes in Practical Dreamwork

COST: There is no charge for your first class. After that, it is $15 per
class or $45 for the month.
http://www.practicaldreamwork.com/

LENGTH: Classes are 2 hours but can run over.
WHERE: Class meets in downtown Berkeley. Near BART (4 blocks), near the
campus, close to buses along Shattuck Avenue or down Bancroft Way.
DAY: Thursdays
FROM: 7.30pm TO: 9.30pm
REGISTER: send an email to dj@... to enroll and get
exact location.

About the class:
The classes last about 2 hours. Sometimes there is some group work but the
bulk of the class consists of someone telling a dream and then I, and the
class, work on it. Sometimes the dream is very relevant to everyone in the
room and the dream truly becomes a shared experience and sometimes it
focuses entirely on the dreamer.

As needed, I use the "If it were my dream..." format so that the dreamer
and the group keep clear boundaries rather than projecting their own stuff
onto the dreamer. There's a big difference between someone saying to you "I
think the dream means that you want to go back to college" and "If that
were my dream, it would mean that I wanted to go back to college". The
first case ("I think the dream means ...") is intrusive: it's really not
their business and they have no good reason for saying this. In the second
case ("If it were my dream ...") they are speaking for themselves and, if
your dream really is telling you to go back to college, you can make your
own mind up.

I rarely interpret -- i.e., I don't tell you what your dream means. I think
of us as leading double lives, a dream life and a waking life. They
interact and one can help the other but they are two separate dimensions.
What I do do is tease out the important parts of the dream and help you
focus on how you would like to change the dream (and thereby change your
waking life).







>>>> July 2003 Dream Conference in Russia

Russian conference on dreams will take place on
July 5 - 9, 2003

in the beautiful ex-residence of Pushkin near
St-Petersburg. The conference on Pushkin takes place
every year there but next time a student of mine
persuaded the organizing committee to devote the
conference to dreams.

Here is the program in brief:

ALEXANDER PUSHKIN AND DREAMS
Dreams in Pushkin's Works
Dreams in Russian Literature and Folklore
Dreams and Dream Work
Sightseeing to Petersburg and around are included
The final program will be ready in March.

If there were a big group of foreign participants I could
negotiate an opportunity for translation. The price of
participation will hardly be more than $200 (including
food, accommodation and sightseeing).

Contact: Maria Volchenko <socol@...>





>>>> Dream Art Opening: Brzeski in Berkeley

Dream artist Nancy Brzeski displays Dream Art from her collection.

Fox Commons Art Gallery
Opening Show and Sale
Saturday and Sunday
December 14 and 15 2-5pm
Fox Commons Historical Landmark
1670 University Ave
Berkeley, CA
510- 847-1767

For more on her art see
http://www.nancyrichterbrzeski.com/
>>>> Dreams in Myths, Medicine, and Movies
Dr. Sharon Packer, MD, PhD, covers a wide range of dream sharing in _Dreams
in Myths, Medicine, and Movies_ (Praeger, 235 pages, $64.95).

" Indeed, she notes, if Freudian dream theory has lost its hold on the
American imagination, "It seems that there's the makings of a kind of dream
cult in the underground. People have dream-sharing groups that sound very
much like church meetings. There's a big online community. There are
literally thousands of these groups. You know, if there can be prayer
meetings everywhere, why shouldn't there be dream meetings?" From John
Strausbaugh, NewYorkPress #15(47).

Hardcover: 264 pages ; Dimensions (in inches): 0.94 x 9.90 x 6.20 ::
Publisher: Praeger Pub Text; ISBN: 0275972437; (July 30, 2002)




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>>>> Collecting Animal Dreams

Pat Kampmeier is collecting dreams of fish, worms, wolves, cats and
salamanders, and also numinous dreams of any kind.

Series of any of these would be especially interesting. Please tell your
dream(s) and then a little about what that symbol means for you. If you
wish to show the work you have done, including drawings, to arrive at that
meaning(s),that would be great, too, though not necessary.
Several meanings for a particular symbol are OK, since dreams are
many-layered. I would also like to know how old you were when you had each
dream.

http://dreamgate.com/dream/kampmeier/


>>> Aggressive Womens'Dreams Needed
Erica Andermatt and I are currently working on the book "Woman with knife".
We collect and analyze dreams and daydreams of women, in which they are
aggressive, wild, violent and murderous... We try to answer questions like
"What is aggression?", "How can a woman handle this power?", "How can we
take the knife in our hands and be aware of not cutting our fingers?" and
others. If you would like to contribute aggressive dreams or daydreams? The
most nasty, wicked and cruel ones? Then please send your mail to
johanna_vedral@... If you would like so, send it anonymous. But
please tell us your age, your marital status and your occupation. If you
would like to go into a dialogue about your dreams/ daydreams, please tell
us, too, and we will contact you!


>>> Dream Team T.V. Show - Needs Dreams
Calling all dreamers! The SCI FI Channel is looking for guests for their
new series, "The Dream Team with Annabelle and Michael." All you have to do
is call or e-mail us with your dream (be sure to include your name and
phone number), and you might be picked for a personal dream analysis on the
show! Guests will be featured live in studio, via satellite, and by phone.
Please call 323.520.5683 or email tvdreams02@.... And pleasant dreams...


>>> L.A. Dreamers Needed for T.V. Show
The Berman sisters (a medical doctor and a psychologist) have a TV show and
are planning an episode on dreaming. They are looking for dreamers who live
in the L.A. area. If you live in that area and have some interesting dreams
that have influenced your life, contact Laurie Dash at (818) 755-4800 ext.
170. You may have a chance to be on
television! http://health.discovery.com/fansites/bermans/bermans.html


>>> Dream Survey : Are you having dreams about Islam?
http://dreamgate.com/dreamsofislam/

We are two Western Muslims, a British educator and an American writer, who
are interested both in how dreams relate to the spiritual life, and in how
Islam is presently perceived by Muslims and non-Muslims both in the west
and in traditionally Muslim lands. We hope to collaborate on a book with
the provisional title of Dreams of Islam. We are looking for striking or
significant dreams about Islam from both Muslims and non-Muslims, dreams
which have had a strong impact on you the dreamer, whether or not you think
the content would seem "interesting" to an outsider. The Islamic content
could refer to people, events, places, beliefs, practices, symbols,
memories or associations, architecture, works of art, written or spoken
words - anything specifically Islamic, or with an Islamic flavor.

You can fill out the survey at the website, or download the questions:
http://dreamgate.com/dreamsofislam/ . For more information, contact Charles
Upton : E-mail uptonjenny@...



>>>> Computer Dreams Needed!

Are you dreaming of problems with your hard disk, getting connected, the
wrong programs coming up, not being able to find the file you want? Does
your computer turn you on, and have you found yourself mating with a
digital partner or cyborg sex? Has god spoken to you through your computer
in a dream? Has the computer in a dream assisted you in becoming lucid?

Just as during the last turn of the century, we shifted from horse and
carriage dreams to cars, trucks and jets, now we are entering a new
cyber-symbolic era of networking and global interface. What dream content
will remain, what will change?

Take the Computer-Dream survey and help us better understand the changing
night-scape of the digital culture.


http://dreamgate.com/computers/



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>>>> Dream Science site change
http://www.bbsonline.org/Preprints/OldArchive/sleep.html

Special issue: Sleep and Dreams, Behavioral & Brain Sciences by Cambridge
University Press.

Pre-publication reprints:

Hobson, J. Allen, Pace-Schott, E. and Stickgold, R. (2000)
Dreaming and the Brain: Towards a Cognitive Neuroscience of Conscious States
Behavioral and Brain Sciences 23 (6): XXX-XXX.

Nielsen, Tore A. (2000)
Mentation in REM and NREM sleep: A review and possible reconciliation of
two models
Behavioral and Brain Sciences 23 (6): XXX-XXX.

Revonsuo, Antti (2000)
The Reinterpretation of Dreams: An evolutionary hypothesis of the function
of dreaming
Behavioral and Brain Sciences 23 (6): XXX-XXX.

Solms, Mark (2000)
Dreaming and REM sleep are controlled by different brain mechanisms
Behavioral and Brain Sciences 23 (6): XXX-XXX.

Vertes, Robert P. and Eastman, K. E. (2000)
The case against memory consolidation in REM sleep
Behavioral and Brain Sciences 23 (6): XXX-XXX.



>>>> World Dreams Peace Bridge

http://www.worlddreamspeacebridge.org/

From Jean Campbell

"Following the terrorist attacks of 9/11 in the United States, a group of
international dreamers gathered around the idea of dreaming the world
toward peace.

Everyone dreams. In many cultures it is believed that the world is a
creation of our dreams. These dreams are a bridge across which we can
reach toward one another.

It is difficult to make war against someone with whom we have shared a
dream. All dreamers are welcomed on The World Dreams Peace Bridge.

Many of the dreamers involved in the World Dreams Peace Bridge are members
of the International Association for the Study of Dreams. A history of
the first year of The World Dreams Peace Bridge was presented by Jean
Campbell at the 2002 ASD Membership Conference in Boston.

Monthly reports on the activities of the World Dreams Peace Bridge can be
found in the e-zine Electric Dreams edited by Peace Bridge
member, Richard Wilkerson .

The World Dreams Peace Bridge web site, logo and graphics, though they
involve many, are created and supervised by Elizabeth Diaz."





>>>>> David Jenkins : Practical Dream Work

http://www.practicaldreamwork.com/


David Jenkins recently graduated from the Center For Psychological Studies
in Albany, California with a Ph.D. in Clinical Psychology lives in
Berkeley, CA. He grew up in Nottingham and Manchester, England and is
currently working on an article about why theories of dreams can be so
different. David is currently experimenting with webcam videotapes (and
would appreciate any offers of help) and
describes himself as an aging hippy.

The site offers a wide range of dream interpretation techniques, videos, a
dream dictionary and several services, including counseling and classes.



>>>> RapidEyeMovement provides online dream journal

http://www.rapideyemovement.org/about.php

RapidEyeMovement is a free service that allows you to create an online
dream journal and benefit from cooperative dream interpretation. Membership
is free and open to anyone interested in learning more about their dreaming
life. The RapidEyeMovement website provides all the tools you need to
maintain a public dream journal for the purpose of acquiring diverse and
competing interpretations of your dreams.

Here is the stated Mission : To provide the best dream sharing and
interpretation forum on the Internet Features

" Simple web interface to build and maintain a publicly accessible dream
journal.
Dream interpretations are provided by members of the community, not by a
single self-professed expert, so you will get diverse and fresh
interpretations of your dreams.
Newly submitted interpretations of your dreams are sent instantly to you
via email, if you choose. "

As a member of the RapidEyeMovement community, you are encouraged to submit
your own interpretations of other members' dreams, as well as rate the
quality of interpretations submitted.

Members and non-members can select a variety of views into submitted dreams
and member dream journals, including most interpreted dreams and most
active dreamers.
A growing links page will connect you to other online dream resources.

Why the name RapidEyeMovement? "Rapid Eye Movement" or "REM" refers to the
mentally active period of sleep during which dreaming occurs, characterized
by the rapid movement of the dreamer's eyes.






>>>> Dreams of Peace
http://www.dreamofpeace.net/

This site is here to encourage people, to explore the role of dreams in
bringing peace to this world. Together we can dream ourselves towards a
more peaceful and happier future.

The site includes :
-- A simple guide on how dreaming can be used to create peace in this world.
-- Nine keys to understanding your dreams.
-- Dream Journeys : A project to encourage people to actively participate
in helping heal the Earth. A series of dream journeys to power places
around the world.
-- Rainbow Protection Cone: A simple meditation, for when you feel a need
for personal protection
-- The Medicine Wheel: A purifying mediation that can be expanded to create
a protected space for healing and spiritual growth
-- Melbourne Dream Embassy: A web forum for dreamers living in and around
Melbourne
-- World Events: World events dedicated to spreading the message of peace

This site is in it's initial stages and the developers are requesting
suggestions and contributions.
explora@...

"The earth needs dreamers"




>>>> Nancy Richter Brzeski online Dream Art

- Collage Collection #3 : High Flyin' Bird
- High Flyin' Bird w/Audio by Richie Havens
- Old Wounded Bird
- Freedom Bird

This project developed from the song "High Flyin' Bird," sung by Richie
Havens, a song which haunted me, and inspired a painting, 30 years ago.

I felt this was my song, the story of my lost youth. In the process of
making the chickenwire BIRD-mobile and the accompanying collage, I regained
my identity as a high flyin' bird, I regained my freedom. If you look
carefully at the center of the collage, you will see, hidden by the shadow
of the giant bird, the words, FREEDOM!

http://www.nancyrichterbrzeski.com/audio/bird_body.htm

>>>> Postmodern Dreaming Page Update

New articles:

** Kellogg, Ed. W. (2002). Virtual Reality Dreaming: Wave of the Future?

** Kugler, Paul, (2002) THE ALCHEMY OF DISCOURSE: IMAGE, SOUND AND
PSYCHE Chapter One (Revised Edition, Daimon Verlag, 2002)


The Postmodern Dreaming Page is a DreamGate project exploring dreamwork
through Contemporary Philosophy, Critical Theory, Semiotics, Linguistics,
Poststructuralism and Postmodern Thought.

The area is also resource page for the study & critical analysis of the
interpretation of dreams and dreaming for the grassroots cyber-dream
movement and other interested parties.


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December 2002 and beyond

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December 1, 2003 Deadline for ASD Call for Papers
2003 International Conference in Berkeley, CA
http://www.asdreams.org/2003

December 7 BADG Meeting
No Annual Bay Area Dreamworkers Group Holiday party, but a small meeting at
a restaurant. If you are interested, contact the president, Eryk Snyder
<esnyder@...>

Dec 14 & 15 Dream Art with Nancy Brzeski
2 - 5 pm - 1670 University Ave, Berkeley, CA
510-845-1767

Jan 1 - Deadline for 10% Discount on ASD Conference Hotel
2003 International Conference in Berkeley, CA
http://www.asdreams.org/2003

June 27 - July 1, 2003 - ASD International Conference
Berkeley, CA http://www.asdreams.org/2003

July 5 - 9, 2003 Dream Conference in Russia
Pushkin near St-Petersburg.
Contact: Maria Volchenko <socol@...>

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Cover Artist: Alice Egoyan
"The Great Bear Dream"

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Electric Dreams Cover for November 2002:
Title: "The Great Bear Dream"


Dreams are the source of our past, present, and future. Art and writing are
how I express my dreams, visions, and how the manifestations in everyday
life relate to great myths and legends. With art, rebirth is always
achievable. Each new phase in the development is exciting, even though the
change is inevitably accompanied by difficulty- the same way that a
butterfly is faced with the challenge of freeing itself from its chrysalis.
Art is a continuing force that neither life nor death can touch, a visual
impression of the progress of our existence.


I work with a variety of media. Those I prefer are pastel, pen and ink,
gouache, oil sticks, acrylic, and watercolor. My images are typically
composed of many layers, multidimensional, magnifying some of the smallest
fragments of my surroundings. I focus on strong presence and intimacy, as
well as unique perspectives.


It was art that saved me when I entered a "dark period" in my life.
Marie-Louise Von Franz, a Jungian analyst, wrote that "Nothing in the human
psyche is more destructive than unrealized, unconscious creative
impulses...when it is a question of a mass psychosis, nothing but new,
creative, 'redemptive' archetypal conceptions, brought up from the depths,
can stop the development toward a catastrophe." There was no medication or
therapy that could help me the way that art did, that could lead me to gain
the insight I needed to change my entire life. The more I've expressed, the
more I've been able to see my world with a clarity I never before
possessed. Therefore, my initial experience with art has been one of purging.


What my work presently reflects is a renewal, and the influence of
accumulated experiences: fear, inward journeys, finding my own sense of
spirit, travel, love, lost time, the unification of opposites and
acceptance. Creating art is a spiritual experience for me, meaning it comes
from a place that I don't always understand in a way that can be explained.
Sometimes, it can only be painted or drawn. And therein lies the reason I
do what I do.

We are all artists, with our personal and collective experiences, our
different media and methods of expression. My goal is to become an art
therapist for adolescents and to show people how they can open up to their
individual potential, and resolve their inner conflicts through artistic
expression the same way that I have in my own life.

Since 1999, I have been involved with hippopotamus conservation and formed
a small group called Friends of the Hippo. People from all locations across
the globe came together on an e-mail mailing list and over the past few
years we have raised money for the Turgwe Hippo Trust in Zimbabwe and a
hippo head statue for display at Utah's Hogle Zoo (soon to be installed),
and maintained the latest information about hippopotamuses at our group's
website:

http://www.savethehippos.com/


Currently, I am in the process of developing my own tarot deck, called The
North Star Tarot: The Ursa Deck. It is only partially based on the original
tarot structure and centers around Ursa Major and Ursa Minor. Progress
updates on the deck can be found at:

http://www.thedreamingeye.com/ursa/

In the future, this section of the website will also contain more in-depth
information about the symbols used in the deck, and a place for people to
send in their own visual or textual impressions of the cards or Ursa Major
in general. My main website is called The Dreaming Eye and is located at:

http://www.thedreamingeye.com/

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The Great Bear Dream
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This artwork was inspired by one of my most intensely vivid dreams, and
signaled the beginning of a very difficult but ultimately transformative
period in my life. The dream took place in 1995, only about seven months
before I was to travel overseas and live for a year as an exchange student
in the UK.

In the dream, I stood in my backyard and then saw at the level of the
neighboring rooftops a giant wave about to crash down over the houses. The
sky turned a blood red color, and I ran as fast as I could There was a huge
flood, but I managed to survive and found five others wandering the
streets. We began to journey across the city, which was empty and dark. We
walked until we came to the ocean. There, a raft appeared carrying about
nine or ten men, all wearing long dark robes. The sky turned very dark
blue. The men were chanting some words, which sounded like 'En ra ma', and
they told me to look at the sky.

There I saw the shape of a bear which was made of stars and it spun around.
As it spun around, more stars flew from the body, as though it was shaking
off water. The bear held the moon in its arms. One of the men told me to
always follow the Great Bear in the sky.

The few of us left boarded the raft and were carried across the ocean to
another desolate land. On the shore, there was a giant white wall. We
walked beyond it and collected what looked like bamboo and leaves to build
ourselves houses.

This dream initiated my study of Ursa Major-the Great Bear constellation,
Ursa Minor and the North Star, and inspired my current tarot deck in
progress. The deck is centered around the bear as a symbol for the
transformative power of solitude and reflection on the inner self. At the
time of this dream, I knew nothing about the legend of the Great Bear, or
the way in which the stories centered around the bear were so
psychologically attuned to changes which I was undergoing at the time.

My entire childhood was filled with vivid dreaming experiences which I
tried to suppress. It took the dream of the Great Bear to reawaken my
connection to my dreams, and ever since this dream I have become a firm
believer in exploring the subconscious world of dreams to further
understand the active, waking world.

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An Excerpt From the Lucid Dream Exchange

By Lucy Gillis


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This month I am happy to submit Robert Waggoner's interview with LDE
founder Ruth Sacksteder.



DreamSpeak An Interview with a Lucid Dreamer
By Robert Waggoner


Long-time lucid dreamer and founder of The Lucid Dream Exchange, Ruth
Sacksteder, has kindly agreed to be interviewed for LDE #24. A resident of
the Bay Area, Ruth has promoted lucid dreaming through the creation of the
LDE, participation in lucid dream experiments, and her own lucid dream
group in Berkeley.


Robert: So Ruth, could you tell us about how you became interested in lucid
dreaming and what your first lucid experiences were like?


Ruth: I had my first lucid dream before I had heard of the term. That was
probably in 1968 or 1969 when I was 24. Some months before, I had had
occasional sleep paralysis/bedroom "visitor" type experiences. I can't
recall the very first lucid dream, but in those early lucid dreams I was
amazed I was doing what I was doing. I felt a sense of wonder that my mind
had fashioned such gorgeous, intricate environments. I often just looked
around. I also enjoyed flying but usually couldn't fly as high as I would
have liked. There were less pleasant sides as well - intense vibrations and
odd phenomena I couldn't comprehend.


I thought I was the only person who had dreams like this. I would ask peers
but at that time never found confirmation from others. In 1974-75, I was in
a class on dreams when I was introduced to the term "lucid dreaming." I
realized that was what I had been doing off and on and that others had
similar experiences.


Robert: Living in the Bay area, were you able to meet other lucid dreamers
and share ideas?


Ruth: Well, I continued to have spontaneous lucid dreams and went through
occasional periods of trying to induce more than I'd ordinarily have. I
wrote down most of these dreams. The majority were close to what I would
now call semi-lucid.


In the late '80's, through lucid dreamer Steve Gillenwater, I was
introduced to Stephen LaBerge's book, *Lucid Dreaming*, and his work. This
came at a time when I was working afternoons and had my mornings relatively
free. The book was a great help and gave me some focus in learning
lucidity. A few years later I became a member of LaBerge's Oneironautical
Research Group at the Lucidity Institute and participated in some of the
research projects. Other Bay area contacts were the experienced lucid
dreamers, like Linda Magallon and Keelin. I participated in mutual dreaming
experiments designed by Linda.


In the early '90's I was also in a correspondence group formed by Lucidity
Institute members and thus got to know dreamers in other parts of the
country. I enjoy trying experiments in my lucid dreams and did some of my
own design as well as those designed by LaBerge, Linda Magallon, Janice
Brooks, Jay Vogelsong, and others. Up until 1995 I was working part-time
and was able to put a good amount of energy into lucid dreaming research.


Robert: I see that you have an ad for a lucid dream group in the *Dream
Network Journal*. What has your lucid dream group been like? Is it hard
having lucid dreamers at various levels of ability?


Ruth: Around that time, I had a lucid dream group meeting in my house.
Unfortunately, that group no longer meets (so I'm not sure why the DNJ
still runs the ad). The group had about 5 or 6 consistent members as well
as others who were more occasional. The group met once a month. I enjoyed
having people of all levels of ability and experience. The group was not a
course in lucid dreaming but a place for people to share lucid dreams and
thoughts about lucidity. We tried occasional experiments. I also liked
having people with different approaches and outlooks since I didn't want
the group to become a clique.


Robert: How was it that you began The Lucid Dream Exchange?


Ruth: In the early '90's there were several lucid dream publications. They
presented excellent articles as well as interesting lucid dream research,
but they included only a few lucid dreams. Several people told me that they
wished there were a magazine comprised of people's actual lucid dreams. I
thought that was a good idea and felt as a "group", we lucid dreamers could
put out something like that. I intentionally kept it small and intimate. I
want to thank all of those people who sent lucid dreams, art work, and
poetry to the LDE, as well as those who attempted any of the suggested
experiments and sent in their results. I want to add that I am pleased with
the current continuation of the LDE and am glad it didn't stop when I could
no longer produce it. The new look is great!


Robert: Often in your lucid dreams, you immediately head for "Apt. #8". How
did you become interested in returning to the same dream locale, and what
meaning does this have for you?


Ruth: One lucid dreamer created an analog of her town in her lucid dreams.
She was an extremely accomplished lucid dreamer and had amazing consistency
of character and locale. In comparison, I was very much a beginner. As an
experiment, I decided to create a dream analog of my apartment building and
people it with dream characters. I never developed much consistency and
eventually used only Apt. 8, which was, in waking life, close to my own
apartment and often at that time, vacant. With practice it became pretty
easy to get to Apt. 8, if I became lucid in the image of my bedroom.


I used Apt. 8 (that is, dream apt. 8) in various ways at various times. I
made it into what I called the "Dream Learning Center". For awhile it had
an attractive library, though unfortunately I couldn't read the books.
There was another period when a dream analog of my mother "decided" to live
there and happy times when it was full of gorgeous cats and kittens. There
have been odd characters, too, as well as mirrors for transport (to phase
through) and briefly, a cool slide down into other territory. That was in
its heyday, but it could be vacant as well, dark and empty.


Now lucid dreams are much rarer, and I use Apt. 8 largely as a means to an
end - to switch from local lucid city terrain to something more countrified
and "natural". I go out a door to the side and get to fields, forests,
creeks, and even the sea or at least a more countrified version of a town.
If I had more time and more lucid dreams, I'd love to experiment again with
Apt. 8, but since 1995 I have been working full time, usually getting up
very early. Lucid dreams are more sporadic.


Robert: Sometimes, I have wondered about your designation of a WILD or
wake-initiated lucid dream. How do you distinguish a WILD from a non-WILD
lucid dream?


Ruth: In a WILD you go directly into a dream from being awake and are
'immediately' aware that you are dreaming. In a DILD (dream-initiated), you
become aware that you are dreaming some time during the dream.


In a WILD you can be lying in bed awake. You probably become drowsy and are
aware you are becoming drowsy. Then suddenly you are in a dream and you
know that you are dreaming. You may, for example, watch the dream imagery
coming as hypnagogia at first and then find yourself entering one of the
images or perhaps you "soar" above the scene a moment before entering. You
are aware you are dreaming. At the very least, you suspect it and do an
immediate reality test though generally you don't need to.


Local lucids also can be in this category, as well as OBE dreams, assuming
you are aware you are dreaming. You may be in bed, awake but drowsy, then
suddenly you find yourself standing in the middle of your room. You are
immediately aware that you are dreaming or suspect you are and do a reality
test to confirm it. You could even be in bed and feel the transition - your
body image changing from literal body to dream body. You may experience
vibrations, buzzes, or rushes of wind. You may hear disembodied voices or
even see people in your bedroom. So you get up out of your (dream) bed and
enjoy a local lucid. Other times, you may lie in bed and suddenly "shoot"
out of your body and fly through the window or wall into a dreamscape.


In all of the examples, you are aware you are dreaming from the beginning.
There are, of course, gray areas in WILDS as in many aspects of lucid
dreaming. What if there are a few moments before you realize you are
dreaming? What if the scene goes dark and you feel yourself on your bed but
you realize you are not completely awake - then the scene returns or you
get up and have a local lucid? Is that a WILD or a continuation of the
earlier dream? If you slept 10 minutes and then entered a dream, I probably
wouldn't call it a WILD - but if you immediately knew it was a dream and
you were aware that you were sleeping during those 10 minutes of sleep, you
might call it a WILD.


Some WILDs are very brief. Others are dark in the beginning and light only
gradually kicks in. There can be stops and starts - many returns to the
dream, but the level of awareness in comparison with waking awareness is
often higher than in DILDs.


Robert: If you were talking to an intermediate lucid dreamer, what are some
of the principles or guidelines that you would suggest to operate
successfully in the lucid dream environment?


Ruth: One thing - it is important to understand that many waking life rules
don't apply in dreams. Such realization can help the dreamer become more
fully lucid (aware of his/her state). Amusing things occur when a person is
only partially lucid. An example - after becoming lucid, a dreamer may
worry about finding the key to lock the dream office door before leaving
the building. That's a pretty crude example, but these kinds of confusions
occur frequently in lucid dreams.


I would also advise studying the role suggestion and expectation play in
the creation of dream imagery. Read the lucid dreams of as many people as
possible, noting different styles from your own and different outlooks.
Don't jump to conclusions from your own experience alone. Try new things in
your lucid dreams, experiment, and of course, enjoy lucidity.


Robert: Tell us about a lucid dream that "surprised" you - what was that like?


Ruth: Some people imagine that there is total conscious control in lucid
dreams, but that is rarely, if ever, so. As in non-lucid dreams, some
images can be downright surprising - one has no idea what might have
suggested them. I included a dream with an unexpected image in LDE 13:


August 1-2 1999
I re-enter a dream lucid and after talking to a woman, decide to "exercise"
my bad leg by dream running and also practice better breathing. I run
around a grassy field several times. As I run I discover tiny creeks with
small bridges across parts of the field. Then, to my surprise, on the
bridges or on the ground beside the bridges are very Catholic-looking
images of the suffering Jesus (that is, Jesus dying or just having died on
the cross -- I was raised religiously, but not as a Roman Catholic). I may
have unintentionally stepped on one image. In the dream, I don't know how
to respond to these unexpected images that seem somewhat alien to my own
spirituality. I leave the field and interact with the woman I had spoken to
earlier. I don't recall any of the dialogue.


Robert: What did you make of this lucid dream later?


Ruth: This dream puzzled me because I couldn't see what suggestion might
have created such an image. It seemed unrelated to my efforts to "run" and
practice better breathing. I thought perhaps this dream had some meaning
and tried to tease it out. After three years, though, I am still not
completely sure what to make of the dream. As dreamers, we can be glad our
dreams offer surprises and frequently elude pat interpretations. Because of
the unexpected image, this dream stays in my mind better than most of the
lucid dreams I have had.


Robert: Is there any advice that you think would be helpful for readers of
the LDE?


Ruth: In addition to all that I have said in this interview, I would remind
dreamers that, in the West at least, the art and science of dreams and
especially lucid dreaming is very young. We are in the early stages of
learning. It is very easy to jump to all kinds of conclusions without
sufficient evidence. It is best to keep exploring, comparing results with
others, while withholding excessive judgments. Nonetheless, this is an
exciting time for lucid dreamers. We are the pioneers!


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Dreams Are SLEEPING Experiences
© 2002 Linda Lane Magallón

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Several decades ago, dream researchers discovered that sleep runs in
cycles with an average duration of ninety minutes. The stage of the cycle
helps determine the content and form of our dreams. Certain stages support
our emotional-feeling side; other phases of the cycle favor our
logical-rational side. If we happen to be asleep during the
emotional-feeling part of the cycle, we tend to experience the usual,
visual dream. The logical-rational side is more likely to produce mental or
"thinking" dreams.

During sleep, lab scientists can track automatic movements of the eye.
Rapid-eye-movement, or REM, tends to correspond to the production of
visual-emotional dreams, whereas non-REM sleep seems to produce more
cognitive experiences. But can a non-REM dream be visual and a REM dream be
cognitive? Sure, they can.


Rapid movement of the eyes is an activity during sleep only, but the "REM"
cycle actually continues throughout the entire day. San Diego psychiatrists
Daniel Kripke and David Sonnenschein have shown that while we are awake,
our tendency to daydream also peaks about every ninety minutes. When they
asked people to report and record daydreams, they discovered that there,
too, we swing from emotional to logical and back again. Toward the end of
each cycle, daydreams become especially vivid and fanciful. The same is
true of nocturnal dreams.


Thus, the bio-chemistry that underlies the REM cycle is continuous around
the clock. We can fall asleep any time and have visual or cognitive dreams.
The dream movie theater is always open. Interspersed with intermissions,
the films keep playing all day, but we only become aware of them when
daytime perceptions are muted.


Because of this 24 hour cycle, the content and form of some sleeping dreams
are quite similar to some waking imaginal experiences. In fact, they can be
so similar, that certain cultures will use the same word to describe both.
Even today, the terms "dreaming," "daydreaming" and "conscious dreaming"
are being applied to waking state imagination and visualization. So are all
imaginal experiences the same? No, they're not.


With the advent of technology, we have discovered that sleep involves
different brain and body activity than waking. Eye movement, heartbeat and
respiration alter. Major muscle movements disappear. Awareness of exterior
life dims. More subtle shifts occur in pressure and chemical composition of
bodily fluids, including blood flow. Most recently, sleep researchers have
come to realize the changing chemistry of our brains. Given these shifts
during sleep, it should be no surprise to realize that sleeping dreams
include certain experiences that are *not* likely to be found while awake.
Even when you are in a waking altered state.


Sleeping dreams are often more surreal than waking imagination; their
imagery can morph. They can be more discontinuous and confused than waking
imagination. There is a tendency to "begin" in the middle and "end" before
completion of the drama. They are usually action sequences instead of
stories. There are abrupt scene shifts to another place that is not
congruous with even a meandering story line. And, most importantly, there
is a break with regular waking experience. In such a state, one may not
even realize that there *is* a waking experience. With fewer waking
resources, the dream drama may find it hard to solve conflicts and problems
dragged in from waking life.


So, while I treasure them in their own right, I don't call my daydreams,
reveries, visualizations, imagination, meditative states, channeling,
automatic writing, remote viewing or psychic readings "dreams." I consider
them to be part of "daytime perceptions," whether they be in an "altered"
state or not. Like the lab scientists, I define dreams as experiences
occurring during sleep. It's the beginning and ending of the sleep cycle
that is the main determinant for me, not the content or form of the
experience. Why? I have 3 main reasons.


First, as a dream researcher, I'd be doing a disservice to the dream
community and public at large if I couldn't distinguish between different
states of consciousness. Or if I didn't screen the case studies I've
received and reports I solicit before they are analyzed. My findings and
conclusions would be skewed if I couldn't say anything definitive about
that particular state called dream. When folks on-line ask me questions
about dreams, especially students writing research papers, they expect to
receive material about *sleeping* dreams, not just any 'ole oatmeal mush.

Second, as a member of a dream group, I'm interested in harmonious
interactions and clear communications. I especially recall the conflict
caused when people came to group with different ideas about what a lucid
dream was supposed to be. It was like trying to juggle apples, berries and
pears. Yes, they're all fruit. Yes, as the Jungians say, it's all part of
the imaginal realm. But what confusion and frustration was engendered when
people used the same word to mean different things. It required a bit of
give-and-take to understand what we each were talking about. We came to
consensus about the terms, not about the value of our personal experiences.
Afterwards, we could compare them and discover the rich variety of
ingredients that we cook up to create the pies cooling on the shelves of
our communal dream restuarant.


Third, as a waking ego, I can be extremely self-centered. To treat my
dreaming self as another person helps avoid such navel gazing. When I take
on the reporter's role, when I write down a dream as a day in the life of
my dreaming self...then compare her life with mine, I discover that we are
not the same. She can fly, I can't. I have a husband and family, she can be
single or married or both or neither. We have different attitudes and
abilities. We have a different history. We live in different places. We
might not even look the same. Or be the same gender. Or share the same
choice of baked dessert.


My dreaming self is my Inner Child, my advisor, my hopeless victim, my
nonsense generator, my Super Self, my golden opportunity to see things from
a different perspective. All that rich variety is lost, that unique person
with a special life is lost, when I lump every experience together and call
it all Linda's imaginal realm, like my waking ego is queen of the inner
universe. How selfish can I get?

I wish there were different terms to avoid confusion between daytime and
nocturnal experience. We can certainly imagine-up some other words for the
imaginal waking state. But let's keep "dreams" for sleep.


References


o Antrobus, John S. "Dreaming: Cortical Activation and Perceptual
Thresholds," Cognition and Dream Research (The Journal of Mind and
Behavior, Ed. Robert E. Haskell), 7/2&3, 193-212.
o Antrobus, John S. "Dream Theory 1997: Toward a Computational
Neurocognitive Model," Sleep Research Society Bulletin, 3/1, 5-9.
o Brain Facts-A Primer on the Brain and Nervious System. Ed. Joseph Carey.
(Washington, D.C.: The Society for Neuroscience, 1993), 22-24.
o Hartmann, Ernest. "On the Nature and Functions of Dreaming," Sleep
Research Society Bulletin, (Los Angeles, CA: The Sleep Research Society,
USA, 1997), 3/2, 17-27.
o Klinger, Eric. Daydreaming. (Los Angeles: Jeremy P. Tarcher, 1990).
o Moorcroft, William & Jennifer Clothier. "An Overview of the Body and the
Brain in Sleep," Sleep & Dreams. (New York: Garland Publishing, Inc.,
1986), 30-61.
o Rechtschaffen, Allan. "Commentary by Allan Rechtschaffen," WFSRS
Newsletter, (Los Angeles, CA: World Federation of Sleep Research Societies,
1994), 3/1, 16-18.
o Siegel, Ronald K. Fire in the Brain: Clinical Tales of Hallucination.
(New York: Penguin Books, 1992).

Dreams Are SLEEPING Experiences
© 2002 Linda Lane Magallón






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A VIEW FROM THE BRIDGE
Report on the World Dreams Peace Bridge

Jean Campbell

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The World Dreams Peace Bridge is an international group of dreamers,
working together to create world peace. The Bridge is open to all. Send
an email to:

worlddreams-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

One current project on the World Dreams Peace Bridge is the Peace Train
Project, which grew from a dream of Jeremy Seligson. Here is his report on
Peace Train activities in Korea:

"Many new peace trains arrived today, brought in by my students. About
six, varying in length from 10 to 30 cars, beautifully put together in
various ways, with wheels, engines and cabooses, linked together by two
rings on each car side, colorful plastic rings or metal ones. The art work
and messages of peace were done by elementary and middle school students
from cities around Korea.

"Also on Friday, I will present the Peace Train to the International
School's Faculty Conference. I'll begin by singing my newly-composed Peace
Trainsong. (This, by the way, has been slightly revised, and I just talked
to my Peace Corps friend in Austin who is a part-time Blues musician. He
has agreed to write the music and record it with his group in a
professional studio. I've sung it to three classes so far, and they really
like it.)

"Then I will present the call for trains, explaining the dream origin of
the train and its evolution in brief. I will ask them to go back to their
own classes and make trains for us. Focusing on children, we avoid the
political overtones which might turn some people away in these volatile,
divisive days. However, I will also distribute colored paper to all the
participants and ask them, while I am talking, to draw a picture of peace
for a teacher's peace train, to be collected at the end of the session.




"I will also ask the teachers to talk to their neighbors and answer these
questions for themselves:
1. What could be a good purpose of a Peace Train?
2. What could be drawn and written on a Peace Train
3. What good can a peace train do for a child helping to make one?
4. How can the peace train help other children, and adults too?

"This is just about as far as you can get from Washington, D.C., so it's a
good place from which to start the ride across the world."

Members of the World Dreams Peace Bridge have discussed both having Peace
Trains sent from people in one part of the world to people in another, and
collecting Peace Trains for a book or other publications.

Dreams from members of the World Dreams Peace Bridge were used the first
weekend in November at the Association for the Study of Dreams regional
conference at JFK University in Orinda, California. Peace Bridge members,
Fariba Bogzaran and Steve Smith presented these dreams along with others in
the Awakening Project created by Fariba and her students in JKF's graduate
studies program in Dreams.

And finally, the World Dreams Peace Bridge and Peace Train stores are now
open for business. A great range of products from teddy bears to note
cards, shirts, bags and stickers are available, bearing Peace Bridge and
Peace Train logos. We encourage you to stop by at
http://www.worlddreamspeacebridge.org/peacebridgeproducts.htm for Holiday
Shopping. Each purchase brings an automatic $5 donation, which will be
used to aid women and children in Afghanistan.
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DreamShare : An Online Dream Community

Judith Gips

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Dreamshare, an interactive, peer-led, moderated on-line dream discussion,
is open to new members. The letter that follows will explain some of
Dreamshare's procedures as well as the philosophical and practical
underpinnings of this group. We are, as always, a work in progress. If
you have questions or comments, please feel free to bring them to the
attention of the group moderators at dreamshare-moderator@yahoogroups.com.


This dream sharing conference is open to all who want to work with us in a
supportive, nonjudgmental cyber-climate, exploring the fascinating and
revealing world of dream experiences. Members are free to post dreams they
have had, ask general questions about dream-related matters or dream
themes, dialogue about any dream on the list, and ask for commentary on
their own dreams.

Dreamshare is somewhat unusual among Internet dream sites, in that we work
to build some of the trust and intimacy that we associate with a
well-functioning face-to-face dream sharing group. What this means, in
practical terms, is that it is a moderated forum in which all posts,
including those of the moderators, are approved by at least one other
member before appearing in the general discussion.

In joining a moderated group, you are, in effect, accepting that some posts
may be delayed, discussed with you or by a group of moderators, edited, or
deleted before being posted to the entire group. The vast majority of
submissions here are approved without problem, but please understand that
we will sometimes act preventively to maintain group tone and cohesiveness

The original members met on another dream discussion board in the spring
of 2000. We decided to start a moderated conference, in order to help to
stay on-topic and build a sense of trust and mutual respect. Dreamshare
has been meeting "in cyberspace" since May 2000. We are something
approaching the ethnic, cultural, international, and intergenerational mix
that many of us have hoped for. We also have considerable diversity of
spiritual beliefs and practices, and of lifestyle and perspective.

In trying to replicate some of the intimacy and group intelligence of a
well-functioning face-to-face dream group, we have needed to face some of
the differences between working in the same room at the same time with
others, and communicating through the disembodied medium of
cyberspace. This has presented a challenge at times as well as an
opportunity, and thanks are due to everyone who has contributed to this
effort, whether or not those people are still participants in
Dreamshare. Without their contributions, it couldn't, and wouldn't, happen.

We have also learned from some mistakes and unanticipated challenges, and
some of the guidelines have been revised to continue to make this a safe,
dynamic and entertaining dream site.

Before you attempt to comment on anyone else's dreams, please keep the
following in mind:

a) This is a supportive environment, based on the principles of kindness
and respect for all. You will encounter people with beliefs, practices,
habits, and language very unlike your own at times, both when posting your
own dreams and when reading the dreams and comments of others.

We encourage people not to censor themselves when relating dreams here. We
understand that dreams often involve situations, issues, and images that
may be painful or embarrassing to our waking-life selves. Our own
relationships to death, loss, violence in ourselves or others, old family
dramas, racism and other forms of prejudice and discrimination, and
long-held secrets may be evoked by our own or someone else's dream
material. There are no types of dream that are unacceptable, but language
that insults someone or a group (e.g., "I was being chased by a bunch of
worthless Arabs") or that is clearly designed to titillate or shock
rather than to share an honest sleeptime dream and the feelings it brings
up (e.g., "It feels so good when I have a wet dream, ummm.") will not be
posted.

Obviously, there is an element of subjective judgment to all this, on the
part of the moderators. We'll do our best to be respectful of the dream
life, the dreamer, and the other members.

In responding to any dream posted, a member needs to be calm and
open-minded. Our feeling is that an insight is worth little if it is
hurtful to the person for whom it is intended.

One of the benefits to doing group dreamwork is that we can find common
ground and shared intelligence with people with whom we might have little
in common in waking life. Thus, a basic guideline for all members is to be
courteous (a word that, like "courage", means something of the heart) and
take an active interest in understanding others. Someone whose spiritual
beliefs or lifestyle are far from your own is part of the same Big Picture
as yourself.

b) In the same spirit as the above: Only the dreamer can say for certain
what his or her dreams mean. Borrowing from friend and mentor to this group
and its founders, Jeremy Taylor, (whose dream-related web site,
www.jeremytaylor.com. we recommend strongly to all), we urge all
participants to enter the dream world by imagining themselves in the
dreamer's shoes, and stating their opinions in the first person as much as
possible. For example, I might say, "If this were my dream, the wedding
dress might be about commitments I want to make public" when responding to
someone's dream about shopping for a wedding dress. Many group members
have experienced insights into their own issues using this process, as
well as sharing something of value to the dreamer.

This is not a hard-and-fast rule for posting, but we urge that everyone
consider and experiment with the "if it were my dream" approach when
commenting on anyone else's dream. Please be judicious in what you say,
and practice consideration. "Insights" that shame or criticize others
will usually be poorly received, and they tend to lead everyone away from
the feeling of safety. Use of the "if it were my dream" format is not
necessarily a guarantee of mutual respect: for example, comments such as
"if this were my dream, it might be telling me I really don't know what I'm
talking about" are probably too harsh to be of value to many dreamers.

On this note, we have learned through experience that we are all human
and subject to human frailties. In a group where people are
encouraged to "be themselves" on-line, you will undoubtedly feel more
rapport with some people than with others. Not every dream or dreamer
will evoke equal interest and empathy in each of us. This is okay; it's
not necessary, or necessarily desirable, to comment on every dream or for
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Please be civil, and as clear as possible on your inner motivations and
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c) Clarification questions and dialogue are encouraged.

It's a good idea, though again not a strict rule, to indicate in the text
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If there is some part of a posted dream that is unclear to you as you read
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constraints that might exist in a face-to-face dream group. Before you
comment on someone's dream, you might want to make sure you understand
what it is that you are discussing. (This is often considered to be a
necessary first step in the "if it were my dream" approach.)

d) We understand that there are privacy concerns unique to the Internet.
You may choose to remain anonymous, using only your "screen handle" or you
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We ask all prospective new members to introduce themselves, saying a little
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light on the dream as well as the dreamer, to learn more about your
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In a similar vein, if leaving the group after active interaction, a brief
note either to the moderators or to the group as a whole is
appreciated. If there is some way we can meet your needs better, we'd like
to know about it. (See also item h))


Please respect the confidentiality needs of everyone on this conference.
Some of this is basic Netiquette, and it is especially important here.
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e) Everyone needs to understand that this is an egalitarian space in which
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Psychotherapists are as welcome as anyone to join this list, as equal
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advice." Even suggesting that someone may need to speak with an expert is
sometimes seen as interventive and/or intrusive. Be very careful.


f) You are not obliged to comment on every dream, to visit or post on the
list every day or at any given interval. It's better to wait until you have
the time and opportunity to write a meaningful response than to simply hop
in because you feel you "should."

We actively discourage "over-posting." This is rather a subjective
judgment, but as a general guideline, more than five posts in any 24-hour
period may be excessive and give the impression of someone talking over
others during meetings.

Don't become too impatient if there is no response for a while after you
post a dream. If some dream of really major impact to you has gone without
response for some time, you can ask, courteously, if anyone is able to work
with this dream. Please remember that Dreamshare is an all volunteer
effort, and we are all busy people.

g) We will be posting suggestions, as we go along, for improving dream
recall, working with dreams alone and with other people, resolving some
"nightmare" energy and other problems, and related topics. Please feel free
to post questions on these issues; there may be some wonderful ideas shared
in this way, and it will let us know what others want by way of improving
their relationship with their dreams. Again, we recommend, highly, the
books and materials available from Jeremy Taylor for a broad introduction
to working with dreams and the unconscious; see his web site cited above
for ordering information, or ask at your local bookstore.

h) Please let the group know when you are exiting as well as entering the
group, either by posting or via one of the moderators. This helps build the
kind of "caring circle" we envision and diminishes the "invisible cafe"
feeling. Repeated subscription and unsubscription is discouraged. We have
found that multiple arrivals and departures can be quite disruptive,
especially if there is some emotional agenda involved. If you are going to
be absent for some time but think you would like to return to active
posting in the future, please consider a "no-mail" membership in
Dreamshare instead of leaving the group. Email a moderator for the group
if the mechanics of changing delivery options are not clear.

i) There is a functioning group of several moderators (about 7 active at
the time of this writing, November 2002.) You can find out who they are
by reviewing the "members" page; moderators are marked with a star. Because
all posts are approved in advance of appearing, there is a fair amount of
work involved in reading and following the discussions on the site. This
can sometimes result in a delay before a post appears on the group list.


At times, a post may also be delayed if there are some questions about its
suitability or timing. .


j) As a practical note: please send plain, unenriched e-mail text whenever
possible. We welcome artwork and photos, which can be uploaded to Files,
but to prevent virus spread and make attachments easier for all to read, we
encourage non-HTML mail if possible. Not everyone can read posts with a
lot of "bells and whistles." Contact a moderator if this is unclear.


k) We encourage you to enjoy your dreams! We regard the dream as a living
entity, a visitor that deserves to be treated with respect and gratitude
even if it sometimes speaks a language that is difficult to understand.

As we see it, it's a mistake to separate and reject dreams that are
powerfully frightening when they occur, from the rest of our dream life.
The difficult dreams that some call "nightmares" or "bad dreams" are often
those that have the most valuable of gifts for us. As you continue to
explore your dreams, you will come to see beauty and perhaps humor as well
as precious guidance in all kinds of dreams.

The Dreamshare group.


P.S. In the interests of building group caring and rapport, we also
encourage friendly support and sharing of our waking-life triumphs and
setbacks. We'd like to recognize birthdays, graduations, and other
important milestones in each other's lives, express condolences to the
bereaved, and send healing thoughts to those afflicted with illness or
other difficulties. We have a regularly scheduled healing circle based on
mutual dreaming; details on that will be given in a separate post in the
near future.



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New Series begins with dream-flow@... Digest #1 09/29/2000

This issue includes volume #580 - #589

Hello and welcome to the DREAM SECTION of Electric Dreams.

This section is edited by Elizabeth Westlake and the DreamEditor, a
software creation of Harry Bosma, author of the Dream interpretation and
journaling software "Alchera".
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Please note that we print these dreams as they come to us and that means we
do not correct the spelling. Some dreamworkers find these spelling mistakes
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Message: 581-001
Subject: In My Room

This dream has repeated itself many times...different scenarios. I am going
to my bedroom, which is more like an apartment out of the 30's. A beauty
shop cropped up in the next room....very crowded and noisy. I again go to
my bedroom. It not only has pool tables in it, but guys are playing pool. I
am very frustrated and annoyed that these people and places have invaded my
privacy and feel like I have nowhere to go to escape the woes of the world.
Any clues?

Comments:
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Message: 581-002
[ed.note: post deleted - repeated post]
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Message: 581-003
Subject: Death

dream_title: Death
dream_date: Oct.18, 2002
dreamer_name: anonymous

dream_text: I dreamt I was standing facing my mother, we were just normal,
not angry, when she suddenly dropped to the ground and died in front of
me. I thought it didn't make sense because she was so healthy and took
such good care of herself. The rest was a deep sense of sadness and loss.

dream_comments: The dream felt so real, I had to go to my mother's and give
her a hug because I was so relieved she was alive, and I still felt emotional.

Comments: 582-003
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Message: 581-004
Subject: Not Nose

dream_title: Not Nose
dream_date: 10/18/2002
dreamer_name: snowhite

dream_text: Chuncks of watermelon coming out of my nose.

Comments:
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Message: 581-005
Subject: death

dream_title: death
dreamer_name: shadow

dream_text: In actual life I worked with a guy whose name I'll leave unsaid
for sake of his family! I only knew him personally for about 2 months
nothing more than a person to me. {One night I had a dream that a friend
and I had been in a car with him and a friend and in this dream I had some
romantic intrest in him and when I realized he was nolonger in the car I
paniced and asked his friend of his where abouts and with out a reply I
began to look for him. I found him lying under a semi trailer as if to be
dead and I began to freak out and he got up as if it was a joke and I was
very upset with him.} The next morning I was so freaked I contacted a
mutual friend to ask on his wellbeing and told the mutual friend of my
dream in assurance it was okay and he would let me know at work that monday
if he had seen our friend. That monday he was fine. We had a big event in
our town a week later and our mutual friend was also there we had left
early and recieved word of an accident our friend was in and was asked to
show at his funeral. The day of his funeral he was also being buried along
side his older brother who also had been in the car that day. Him and his
brother had went to the event and when they couldnt find us they left and
on thier way home was side swiped by a semi.

dream_comments: I do not understand I am very confused I was rather scared
and still to this day I have anxiety !

Comments: 582-002
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Message: 581-006
Subject: Husband having sex with my daughter, his step-daughter

dream_title: Husband having sex with my daughter, his step-daughter
dreamer_name: sick

dream_text: my husband has been having dreams about my daughter explicit
ones and he even went as far as to have sex with me while dreaming about
her, he talks alot of dirty talk to her in his sleep and now I am beginning
to wonder if they are having sex. she is only 17 and he is 36 please help
me!!!! I don't know why he is dreaming about her

Comments: 582-004, 582-007
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Message: 581-007
Subject: Bying a Flat

dream_title: Bying a Flat
dream_date: 21/10/02
dreamer_name: anonymous

dream_text: I had a very vivid dream of bying my ex-boyfriends flat. It was
right on the coast and the waves where so high they where breaking over the
side of the building and I remember being very scared. there where two
starving dogs that had been left in the flat.My Ex was in the dream and so
where my parents. Everybody seemed very stressed and un happy.

dream_comments: Everything is very clear as if it happened in real life.
That flat was exactly as it is in real life - even the view out the main
bedroom window was exactly as it is.

Comments: 582-001
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Message: 581-008
Subject: A Condo and a Cat

dream_title: A Condo and a Cat
dream_date: October 15, 2002
dreamer_name: Prophetess

dream_text: I dreamed I was in a very nice condo with white walls and =
nice and bright. The room I could see into, out of the corner of my = eye,
appeared to have people in it. The room was lit with a pearly = white
light. It seems I had either sold this condo or was in the = process of
selling or showing it. At least two of my girlfriends were = there (these
are two very tried and true friends in my life for real). = I went into
the bathroom and there was a somewhat light marble-colored = cat standing
on the vanity. This cat had a tray strapped on its back. = The tray was
like something you would put office papers in. I sensed = that the cat
wanted to be groomed. I picked up a brush, off the tray I = think, and
started combing and parting the cat=92s hair. This cat had = long hair
like a female. The cat purred and was very pleased that I was = combing
its hair. =20

The scene then switched and I was in a wide-open closet, very bright and =
white, with one of my friends. We were putting silver shoes into =
see-through shoe boxes up on shelves in the closet. She was helping me, =
as opposed to my helping her.

The end.

Thanx for any help you can give.

dream_comments: Please respond to: dborah777@...

Comments:
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Message: 581-009
Subject: mulholand

dream_title: mulholand
dream_date: jan
dreamer_name: surty

dream_text: in a resturaunt i am a beautiful black haired woman i suddenely
get a feeling that the place is filled with menace so i run out of the
resturant.once on the street i am a man again i run for ages until i bump
into an army at war then im back at the resturant and and i realise i need
to back into the resturaunt to face the meance when inside i run to the
woman who is now seperate from me we huddle together and our visions blur
into a collective chaos and insanity.

dream_comments: what does it mean?

Comments: 582-005
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Message: 581-010
Subject: Paradise

dream_title: Paradise
dream_date: 6/01/1991
dreamer_name: Atlantis

dream_text: In Hollingers Isl. AL. underground city under the Island the
grass was very green everything was beautiful rabbits,flowers,waterfalls
with rainbows and caves. The caves used to be used as jails. The place was
discovered and deemed protected by enviormeantalists. My boss who is an RN
was standing on the drawbridge taking toll for visits to this beautiful
place. I could walk up to the dirt where the flowers were planted and
squeeze the dirt with both hands and the flowers would bloom.

dream_comments: It was the most beautiful place I had ever seen! Even now
when I want to relax I can lay back and think of that dream as if I were
dreaming it again. The colors and everything were so vivid.

Comments:
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Message: 581-011
Subject: winter

dream_title: winter
dream_date: 10/10/02
dreamer_name: chantigirl

dream_text: It was a very striking image, somehow words don't do it
justice. Winter, snowing, very icy road, sort of a confluence or
intersection of roads. I am attempting to cross the road but whenever I
think I have a chance a car in the distance will start skidding (cars from
the '30s) and turning around and around, sort of slowly and beautifully,
towards my path. So I stop, look some more and wait, start again and the
same thing happens, almost in slow motion, not in any frightening way, just
these cars slowly whizzing by.

Comments:
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Message: 581-012
Subject: murderer

dream_date: 14th October 20002
dreamer_name: Nicola

dream_text: I can remember sitting in a garden similar to my nans garden. I
had various memebers of my immediate family around me and I we were all
dressed in 19th Century clothes. Children and workers were scattered at the
back of the garden and the surroundings. A handsome man came walking
throught the garden and came and sat with me. We were lovers and were
engaged. I began to feel ill and couldnt breath and again the handsome man
appeared. My father in the dream came rushing out to the garden telling
everyone that the man was a murderer and I couldnt trust him. The man
looked at me and kissed me goodbye as he fled. But I knew deep down that he
was a murderer but I still loved even though I was frightened.

dream_comments: What does this mean?

Comments:
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Message: 581-013
Subject: Teeth

dream_title: Teeth
dream_date: 17 October 2002
dreamer_name: Eleni

dream_text: I had a dream that I had braces. All of a sudden my teeth
started falling out from the right hand side of mouth. I kept spitting them
out and more kept falling out until I had no teeth remaining on the left
hand side of my mouth.

Then I tried to gather all the teeth but they were scattered everywhere and
it was difficult to collect them all as the wind kept blowing and they kept
getting blown away.

Comments: 582-006
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Message: 581-014
Subject: Roaches

dream_title: Roaches
dream_date: 10-17-20
dreamer_name: anonymous

dream_text: I was in bed and there were a million roaches crawling on me.

Comments:
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Message: 581-015
Subject: My X-boyfriend

dream_title: My X-boyfriend
dream_date: 10/16/02
dreamer_name: anonymous

dream_text: My dream takes place on our farm where I Live and we lived up
the hallow at one time in 92-93. He shows up in a truck with another woman
who has a child. She seems to mean nothing to him, yet he is after me to
talk with. My family and children are there in the road, my husband is not.
He asks how I've been and what is up in my life. He takes my for a drive up
the hallow to talk, yet everyone in my family is following. My mother seems
to understand that I need to talk with him, and takes the kids away. He
says that he has missed me. I felt confussed in my dream knowing my husband
would want to know what was going on. I know I missed him. Yet it
ends,because the phone rang.

dream_comments: The man in my dream was very sweet and caring I did love
him, he had asked me to marry him, and bought me a ring. I did not say yes,
because my instinks told me something else was in store for me. In Jan. of
93. My first husband, and highschool sweetheart called me. We began talking
and I knew he still loved me. I shortly ended my relationship with this
other man. It hurt him deeply, and I felt so bad. But my love for my first
husband was to overpowering to leave go. I resumed my relationship with my
first husband and son. We've been together 10 years now and since combined
families, he had 2 boys while we were apart, and I had on girl. We then
had our last son together in 94. I very happy with this man. And the man
in my dream moved on got married 2years later and had a daughter. This
dream troubled me so that is why I'm writing this to you. Thanks

Comments:
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Message: 582-001 [581-007]
Subject: Re: Bying a Flat

Dear Anonymous,

Your dream was very interesting. The presence of your parents along with
your ex suggests that whatever problems you "bought into" with him are part
of your childhood and growing up patterns, not unique to the relationship
with him. He has gone but you "buy into" his living space....in other
words, you are not relinquishing the problems. The stormy waves suggest a
lot of powerful unconscious material, suppressed memories and unresolved
feelings surround these problems. Like starving dogs the problems may
attack if they are not tended to. But if you take care of a starving dog,
it will become your closest friend and staunchest protector. You have some
emotional growth ahead of you that may be painful and difficult, but well
worth your effort. I would suggest that you get involved in some expressive
arts, if you don't do that already. Your dream shows a rich capacity, a
strong spirit.

-Denise
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Message: 582-002 [581-005]
Subject: Re: death


Dear Shadow,

These events really happened? Dreams that foretell death are not that
uncommon. Usually there is a stronger connection to the person. Perhaps
this man's feelings for you were stronger than your feelings for him at
that stage. His spirit could see death coming (all our spirits can, even
when it is a sudden accident) and found a way to tell you it's ok.

You may have a sensitivity for the spirit world that enabled this
communication. If you are not already involved in a religious or meditative
pursuit, you might consider exploring that direction for yourself. If you
do so, avoid the "dry" conventional churches and look for a "spirit-filled"
congregation.

-Denise
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Message: 582-003 [581-003]
Subject: Re: Death

Dear anonymous,

It's a little difficult to interpret this dream without your age and your
mother's age. I am assuming you are a young adult and your mother is
mmenopausal or post-menopausal. When we go through transitions in life,
such as from adolescence into adulthood, there is a small "death" of our
old self and a "borning" of our new self. The connections to parents have
to die for us if we are to become full fledged adults, and this dream may
have been about that "death", not actual death. It is wonderful that your
emotions are alive and well, enabling you to keep the love connections open
even when the "parent" connections die.

-Denise
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Message: 582-004 [581-006]
Subject: Re: Husband having sex with my daughter, his step-daughter

Dear Sick,

The fact that your husband is having these dreams does not mean he is
having sex with your daughter, but it does mean that he is at least
struggling with the issue. Are you able to talk with him about the dreams?
Can he talk about his feelings as a father of a blooming young woman? You
both should seek counseling together so that you can have those necessary
conversations. It's up to you to open the issue with him, assuming the
best, and if the worst is true, you will find out in the process. Your
daughter needs you to do this for her. God bless you!

-Denise
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Message: 582-005 [581-009]
Subject: Re: mulholand

Dear Surty,

Your dream seems to be telling you that you have neglected the softer, more
feminine side of your personality because you are afraid of the weakness
that is associated with females. You seem, in the encounter with your
female friend, to associate womanhood with chaos. The female nature is
often identified with dark, amorphous life. Are you involved in the arts?
Working with dark female imagery, lots of messy reds and browns, might be
very soothing for you.

-Denise
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Message: 582-006 [581-013]
Subject: Re: Teeth

Dear Eleni,

"Teeth falling out" is one of those classic dream images that almost
everyone has at one time or another. It is commonly believed that this is
related to stress in one's waking life, and a feeling of loss of control.
Is your life too busy? You might need to take a little "time out" now and then.

-Denise
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Message: 582-007 [581-006]
Subject: Re: Husband having sex with my daughter, his step-daughter

Just a possible alternative interpretation: Your husband might feel an
alienation from your daughter and is unhappy about that. His dreams may be
a way of feeling a strong intimacy that he doesn't feel in real
life. Often times when I am fighting with a friend, I have sex dreams
about them. It doesn't always mean sex. On the other hand, in case I'm
wrong...put a lock on her door. Tom
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Message: 583-001
Subject: boyfriend having continuos dreams of me leaving him

my boyfriend had continuosly had the same dream in exact form for the past
3 days. his dream is that i leave him and then i come back to him a few
days later, when he wakes up he is really upset. i think that the reason he
is having these dreams is because it is the one thing that he fears the
most and that he has not came to fully trust that i love im dearly and that
i am not going to leave him.i need someones opinion on this to tell me if
thats what it is or if its something else. i am open to anyones comments.
thank you

Comments: 583-002
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Message: 583-002 [583-001]
Subject: Re: boyfriend having continuos dreams of me leaving him

see www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/
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Message: 583-003
Subject: Limpets

dream_title: Limpets
dream_date: 9/10/02
dreamer_name: mouse

dream_text: I was on holiday will all my family. As I went to go in the
swimming pool my whole body was covered in limpets and barnacles. The only
way they would stay off me was to stay in the swimming pool then they would
attach themselves to the bottom of the pool.

dream_comments: I am currently investifation limpets for my biology coursework.

Comments:
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Message: 583-004
Subject: i don't understand

dream_title: i don't understand
dream_date: 10/22/02
dreamer_name: money

dream_text: being able to hear the inside of my body, and seeing myself
laying next to me. not being to able to move or lift up.

Comments:
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Message: 583-005
Subject: Husbands Dream

dream_title: Husbands Dream
dream_date: 10/02
dreamer_name: anonymous

dream_text: My husband dreams about me cheating on him.

dream_comments: We have a rocky relationship. What does this mean for him
or me?

Comments:
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Message: 583-006
Subject: Strangler

dream_title: Strangler
dream_date: 10/22/2002
dreamer_name: IVY

dream_text: MY dream was that my boyfriend was strangling me and slammed my
head into a wall. The funny thing was that my boyfriend had a dream he was
strangling someone and in reality he ended up physically hurting me. He
does not remember the dream really, nor does he know he hurt me but he did
and it scared me. I slept out on the couch and was afraid to sleep next to
him the rest of the night. It has not been the first time. He has done
several other little things in the past but I did not pay any attention to
them but now I see it has happened more than once.

dream_comments: I am afraid these incidences are a warning to me, but he
has and never would verbally or physically hurt me, but why in his dreams
does he take his aggression out on me? Should I fear for my safety in my
oen bed next to the man I deeply care about and love?

Comments:
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Message: 583-007
Subject: Son Falling

dream_title: Son Falling
dream_date: 8/21/02
dreamer_name: anonymous

dream_text: My son was walking up staircase me behind him, something fell
down the staircase, we where on the second one now he jumped for it and
fell down one flight of stairs, hit his head on a corner of a table at the
bottom of theat stairs, crying and head bleeding, saying he couldn't feel
anything, I was crying holding him.

dream_comments: I don't know where we were, or what we were doing the dream
started on the staircase. I woke up right after crying and heart beating
fast. Don't understand why I would have such a scary dream about my own
son like that.

Comments:
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Message: 583-008
Subject: The Chase

dream_title: The Chase
dream_date: 10/22/02
dreamer_name: DP

dream_text: My mother, her 2 sisters and I were being chased. Lets not
forget that my mom and one of her sisters do not talk so I dont talk to her
either. But the 4 of us were being chased by the killer from Scream who
wanted to kill us in every way possible. He was also the sniper. He would
watch us from afar and shoot at us. He was killing everyone we knew and
loved. The cahse seemed to last forever. I woke up startled.

Comments:
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Message: 583-009
Subject: He chose her

dream_title: He chose her
dream_date: 10/23/02-10/24/02
dreamer_name: willowcrystals

dream_text: This dream went on all night, I woke up 2 or 3 times during the
dream and when i'd fall asleep again the dream would continue. A co-worker
of mine who i secretly like a little more than just a co-worker(real life
not dream.) We were at this place and I'm not sure where it is, but it was
a party and he had this girl with him and i was wearing a shirt that was
low cut with a padded bra, and she pulled my shirt down and and told me to
get real boobs, so i wouldn't need a padded bra. She was just being rude
about it. And I told her atleast i have real boobs. Cause in the dream she
had on a tank top type shirt and she was more flat chested than i
was. then something happened and i don't remember what it was but the next
thing I know he sayst he can't be with me because she is pregnant. then
after that they lived like right behind us and her and i would go at it all
the time, and i was crying all of the time. i can't remember alot of the
dream but it was crazy, and when i woke up this morning i was kind of mad
at him. In real life this man has no idea that i like him. at least not to
my knowledge. Is it possible that the individual you are dreaming about
knows that you dream of him/her?

dream_comments: I am not sure on what to think of these dreams, but i would
like some help or advice on this dream from other individuals.

Comments:
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Message: 583-010
Subject: Drunk Bums

dream_title: Drunk Bums
dream_date: Recurring
dreamer_name: Poopypants

dream_text: I have recurring dreams about a black, drunk homeless man. He
always yells drunken phrases that usually make no sense. He shows up in
places that I would consider rather safe. Sometimes he tries to approach
me, but I won't let him. One time he was trying to break into my house,
but I locked him out. He then went over to my neighbor's house and beat
him up with a golf club, then came back to my house.

dream_comments: I don't know what the hell this is all about.

Comments: 583-011
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Message: 583-011 [583-010]
Subject: Re: Drunk Bums

People who recur in our dreams are said to be parts of ourselves that we're
somehow neglecting in our waking life. I don't know what this guy means to
you, but here is something you might try: Sit down at a quiet moment with
paper and pen, meditate on this man and picture him as clearly as you can,
and ask him to start telling you what he wants to say. Then just write
whatever comes to mind.

-Denise
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Message: 584-001
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Message: 585-001
Subject: Falling

dream_title: Falling
dream_date: 10-20-02
dreamer_name: Taylor

dream_text: Im walking in a dark valley with newpapers flying across the
floored ground and no one is there the air is chilly and the sky is dark
here I am walking and then all of the sudden I fall and here I am still
falling and i look down and large over sized needels are point at my front
body as soon as i reach the needels i wake up.

dream_comments: This dream terrify's me to where i dont want to look at
needels. I when I see needels i get horrible chest pains.

Comments:
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Message: 585-002
Subject: Funky throne room

dream_title: Funky throne room
dream_date: 10/24/02
dreamer_name: anonymous

dream_text: I dreamed that I was walking in to a throne room and looked
upon a king and queen glaring at me when all the sudden sixties music came
on. There were no wrods, only a funky beat. I have no idea why I dreamed
thyis but I would like to know what this stuff means.

Comments:
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Message: 586-001
Subject: The Feeding

dream_title: The Feeding
dream_date: 99
dreamer_name: Maria O

dream_text: I walk in to see a large wooden table in the center of this
small room. It was a kind of dark room with one window. I see that on the
table is a large Python golden yellow in color. The Python is dying from
starvation and is almost dead. I feel such compassion for this Python that
I frantically look around for something to feed it. I find a rat, and as I
pick it up to feed to the python I notice that it too, is also very thin,
and you can see it ribb bones sticking out. I think to myself that I must
fatten up this rat so that it will be of some nourishment to the python. I
proceed to cut up- something to feed to this starving rat. I stop and
notice that I have a hatchet and I just chopped some meat off to give to
this rat, but I then realized that I had just chopped the center part of
the python's body out with the hatchet and killed the python. I was
devastated at the realization of what I had done. I woke to feel very
disturbed by that dream and couldnt shake that feeling all day.

dream_comments: I have been intrigued by the meaning of this dream, for a
very long time any comments or insights would be greatly appreciated. Thank
you....Maria O

Comments:
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Message: 586-002
Subject: Being made fun of

dream_title: Being made fun of
dream_date: 10/25/02
dreamer_name: anonymous

dream_text: I had a dream that I was running late to take my son to school
and I couldn't find my car, come to find out my cousins had moved it down
the street and my whole family was laughing at me.

Comments:
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Message: 586-003
Subject: Polished Spheres

dream_title: Polished Spheres
dream_date: 10/25/02
dreamer_name: anonymous

dream_text: Outside there are various buildings and a church, there are
enourmous polished spheres that move effortlessly, they don't seem to roll
but glide through the buildings which are then destroyed. A few of the
spheres have spikes on the surface but all of the spheres seem threatening.
I run into the church for sanctuary and seem to be safe from them for now.
The interior has highly detailed woodwork with intricate engravings and my
attention is directed on how fine and creative the work is. During the
course of the dream I still feel as though there is some intelligence to
the spheres as if they are searching for me. I am searching for someone
important I need to save while hoping to be saved myself.

dream_comments: I'm not sure how I can relate anything to these spheres,
they don't seem to correspond to anything recognizable, maybe simply
outside forces I have to contend with that seem insurmountable. I take the
church to mean I cannot ignore my spirituality while trying to deal with
adversity. Maybe I'm the one I'm trying to save.

Comments:
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Message: 4
Subject: Rape

dream_title: rap
dream_date: 10-25-02
dreamer_name: anonymous

dream_text: i had a dream that i was being raped, i don't remeber the guy.

dream_comments: i feel that my dream is saying that i'm being pressured
into something that i don't want to be pressured into

Comments:
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Message: 586-005
Subject: Mission

dream_title: Misson
dream_date: 10-27-02
dreamer_name: buttercup

dream_text: My dream began with a knowledge that I was on an assignment
with my partner (my mom), to help someone in some way I'm unsure of. We
wern't the only ones with a misson, but then again, not everyone who
existed had one. The surroundings were very odd.The world had different
levels and altitudes, and the number of people existing on each level
decreased as you went up. My mom and I left right away, in a normal vehical
traveling straight upwards on what appeared to be railroad tracks. There
were two lanes. As we went up, the clouds became darker and I noticed there
were less people on the roads. We soon came close to a semi, who was ahead
of us in the other lane at first and then he was behind us but still in the
other lane. Then I watched his car flip, sparks flew, he fell of the
tracks, and I knew he was gone. I closed my eyes because I didn't want our
car to fall. I wanted to be at our misson site. I finally opened my eyes,
and told my mom maybe if we came off at level 6000, that we would reach who
we needed to. She agreed, we turned in on the next road, and arrived where
we needed to be. I don't know who we helped or how, but our misson was
complete.

dream_comments: In the beginning when we received the mission, both of us
knew the mission had great risk involved. We never spoke of the risks, we
just knew. Also, falling off the tracks at any of the higher levels, always
meant death.

Comments:
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Message: 587-001
Subject: Terrorism

dream_title: terrorism
dream_date: 9-15-02
dreamer_name: dreamer

dream_text: i had a dream that in the future there will be more attacks in
the U.S. on other major architectural structures and will kill 1000's of
people. Please look in on or this.

dream_comments: I am kind of frightened.

Comments:
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Message: 588-001
Subject: Disturbing

dream_title: Disturbing
dream_date: May 22, 2001
dreamer_name: Blandina McTrout

dream_text: I keep a dream journal, which I always try to record them when
I wake up...if I even remember having one. Looking back through it, I saw
this one, and I still remember it vividly, because it seemed like it was
happening for real at the time. 'I had a disturbing dream last night that I
could only interpret as the end of the world....(armageddon?)....I was on a
beach, reading a book, with lots of other people enjoying the beach, when a
strong wind started to pick up, blowing sand and dust, the sky turned a
very ugly bruise-like yellowish gray, huge dark thunderous clouds rolling
in as it got windier and windier, the ocean started to roil, tidal wave,
and shoot up in geyser-like streams while the earth started shaking
something fierce, the water was rapidly rising and people trying to run,
all panicking, screaming, mass hysteria and strangely I just sat there and
resigned myself to the fact that this was the end, the water splashing
around me, and then I woke up in a start, my heart pounding.' It still
creeps me out.

Comments:
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Message: 588-002
Subject: Bittersweet reunions

dream_title: Bittersweet reunions
dream_date: every couple weeks
dreamer_name: Sylvia

dream_text: Hi..I know this may sound rather strange but I've have many
dreams of loved ones who have passed away. These dreams are very real and
have distinct traits. There is never any verbal communication. There are
hand jestures and other types body laungauge. One dream was about 15 years
ago of a Dear Friend and his lips were moving but I couldn't hear what he
was saying. I was about 10-15 feet away from him. He was sitting in
bleechers with other people, like they were watching a baceball game. He
was also smiling at me. I have had so many dreams like this one that I
could write a book. please if some one reads this and can help me or know
of others who dream in such a way as I please contact me. shunter26@...

dream_comments: thank you for letting me share.

Comments:
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Message: 588-003
Subject: Evil 10-18(date of my b-day)

dream_title: Evil 10-18(date of my b-day)
dream_date: 6-30-02
dreamer_name: Creature

dream_text: I was at the police department, but it felt like part of it was
in the basement. Everything was immediately off. There weren't enough
people and the lighting was dimmer. I followed this officer into a room
for something. He lifted up this series of folders with tabs labeling the
cases all facing up except for the back one was labelled on the bottom with
a yellow sticky tab. It was hanging almost ready to come off and it said
10-18 on it. I thought immediately I have got to get a hold of Mary and
let her know. The officer left me there, and I had to find my way around.
I went down this dark hall and I think I ended up in the basement. It felt
like something was following me. This bad spirit that looked part native
american/ but part white... heavyset with long dark hair... surrounded
me. She was behind me , but then instantly in front of me and all around
me and then behind me again... whispering in my ear "cage... 10-18..." and
something else inaudible. The energy of the dream was so strong that it
felt like it transferred into my bunk and that she was sitting in front of
me while I was sleeping. In the dream, I then headed down the hall and up
a couple of stairs and saw a navajo or hopi guy doing dispatch through
soundproof glass. He looked normal/unpossessed but he was oblivious to my
presence. The hallway turned right and opened out into light. There was a
woman by a desk doing work and talking animatedly. I thought, Okay, I will
go up to her and ask her to call mary because she looked normal. I walked
up to her as she was hanging up the phone and asked her. She said," What's
your #?" I came closer to her. She was looking down when she picked up
the phone. I started to tell her my # and she looked at me, started to
dial, and grabbed my hand. The spirit had moved around the room and I
watched it possess her. Her face turned older, gray, and skeleton-like.
With my hand in hers, she said my # aloud, and we punched the #'s together
on the pad,"623-334..." and then she lifted my hand away from the phone and
started to crumple it in her hand with a pearing knife causing my fingers
to crumple and bleed.

dream_comments: At the time of this dream I was training to drive for SWIFT
Transportation, and I was on a semi in Oklahoma. The dream was also weird
because I awoke from the nightmare at about 9:30pm... My trainer suggested
to me to go back to sleep several times, and when finally I was calm enough
to go back to sleep, I just happened to look at the clock and it was
10:18pm. This is one of the creepiest dreams I have ever had...... any
comments?

Comments:
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Message: 588-004
Subject: Nails As Chips

dream_title: Nails As Chips
dream_date: 10/31/02
dreamer_name: Your mom

dream_text: I had a dream that me and one of my friends were in a car,
eating fake fingernails, but one set of 10 was from one of my other
friend's fingers. I gave the worn & used fingernails to my other friend who
was eating the fingernails with me. What the hell does this mean??

dream_comments: my email is aeafcutiechica@...

Comments:
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Message: 588-005
Subject: Woman gone mad

dream_title: Woman gone mad!
dream_date: 10 years
dreamer_name: YahYah

dream_text: I have had a dream for the past 10 years of a fat white woman
chasing me in a school's gymnasium. Now I'm a black woman, and this gym
that I am running through is my old junior high school's gym. I don't know
who this person is but she is a sloppy, dirty, very over weight white woman
and she's just chasing me for absolutely no reason. I'm yelling and crying
for help, but no one is there to help me. And no matter how fast I run, she
keeps gaining on me. Right before she grabs me, I wake up. What does this mean?

Comments:
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Message: 588-006
Subject: Animals

dream_title: Animals
dream_date: 10-25-02
dreamer_name: anonymous

dream_text: I was in the room that looked like a store, with babys all kind
of stuff. However there was hundreds of animal and i would relised them and
someone would try to cach them all up. On of the animal was snake, and I
saw it all the time. I was smilling all the time.

Comments:
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Message: 589-001
Subject: baby crocodiles hatching out of eggs in green bag with zip

dream_title: baby crocodiles hatching out of eggs in green bag with zip
dream_date: 2nd november 2002
dreamer_name: cj

dream_text: baby crocodiles hatching out of eggsin green zip bag

dream_comments: amazing

Comments:
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Message: 589-002
Subject: holy matrimony

dream_title: holy matrimony
dream_date: 11-2-02
dreamer_name: anonymous

dream_text: I dreamed that I was in love with this guy, we went many places
together, then He asked me to marry him, and I did. Nobody liked that we
were married, but we stayed together, and lived happily ever after.

dream_comments: This guy just so happened to be the best friend of the guy
I like.

Comments:
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Message: 589-003
Subject: factory party

dream_title: factory party
dream_date: oct 29, 2002
dreamer_name: JIM

dream_text: I had a dream the other night that I was in some sort of
abondond factory. There was a party going on in the factory with a buch of
my past friends. There were lots of little tents set up in the factory and
people were sleeping in them. I saw an old friend walking around and she
looked somewhat drugged out on something. She came over and kissed me
twice on the cheek and said "bye" then walked away. I was very worried
about her even though I haven't talked to her or seen her in about seven
years.
I then saw another old friend who I haven't seen in about seven years and
asked her what was wrong with the friend who kissed me on the cheek. She
said " well, we don't talk to her anymore." in a kind of mean voice. The
dream started to fade at this point.

dream_comments: It's very confusing. I wonder what the two friends I saw
have to do with my life at this point.

Comments:
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Message: 589-004
Subject: scared sleepless

dream_title: Recurring dream
dream_date: 11/03/02 &10/11/02
dreamer_name: scared sleepless

dream_text: I had three dreams that was a re-run of my granny's death
(which occured July 6th 2002), only the dream was more painful like I
could feel my hearts' pain and it was worse than reality!!

dream_comments: I'm wanting to know what this dream means.

Comments: 589-007
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Message: 589-005
Subject: Crumbling Teeth and cheating

dream_title: Crumbling Teeth and cheating
dream_date: October 2002
dreamer_name: Jayamber

dream_text: For a while i have had dreams of my Boyfriend of five years
having another lover even though he is not the cheating type at all and in
real life i dont suspect him of cheating also Last week i had a dream that
my front teeth just crumbled for no reason what do these dreams mean?
especially the one about my teeth cracking?

thank you
Jess

Comments:
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Message: 589-006
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Message: 589-007 [589-004]
Subject: Re: scared sleepless

I think that dreams often help us deal with the things that our
consciousness has trouble dealing with. I hav also heard that when you
dream of a person who has died or of a tragedy that your mind is just
learning to deal with it fully. This dream might just be your brain's way
of completing some of the grieving.
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