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Subject: Re: Does more people= more resource need?
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Jay Hanson=A0wrote:
Only three tactics can mitigate this ongoing process:
1.=A0 Take energy resources by military force.=A0 We did this in Iraq.
2.=A0 Gradually move away from a political system which encourages the depl=
etion of natural resources and toward something like Hubbert's or my vision=
for a sustainable society.=A0 The first step would be to guarantee every c=
itizen the right to live without working.
3.=A0 Reduce population at least as fast as available energy resources fall=
.
Jay has produced a beautiful=A0popularization of the principal ideas he has=
gotten from my papers on dematerialism, especially "Energy in a Natural Ec=
onomy", which is linked to http://dematerialism.net/ .=A0 Rather than graci=
ously acknowledge the source of these ideas he has banned me from his Yahoo=
groups so as to avoid any competition in the intellectual sphere.=A0 That =
isn't very nice and I don't know a nice way to say it.=A0=20
Jay has grasped the principal result of the social reforms recommended by m=
e, but he has failed to understand the logical ramifications.=A0 Let us ass=
ume, for a moment, that we reject the idea of conquest and depredation to m=
eet our energy needs.=A0 While striving by any and every means to reduce ou=
r population, what must we do to guarantee every citizen the right to live =
without working, which is necessary because of the energy consequences of a=
ll economic activity as discussed in the papers written by me with which Ja=
y and everyone else on this forum are familiar?=A0=A0=A0In a world of shrin=
king energy supplies or alternative energy technologies the output of which=
cannot be increased beyond a fixed or slowly growing maximum, the amount o=
f livelihood available to the population at whatever level it has reached i=
s decidedly finite.=A0 Therefore, to guarantee every citizen enough to live=
, it is necessary that no citizen consume much more than the minimum
necessary to live decently plus whatever he needs to=A0do the work that he=
has had the good fortune to be able to do because it is necessary to the w=
ell-being of the community.=A0 We have a name for this type of wealth shari=
ng in a planned economy.=A0 This is a name that Jay Hanson has been taught =
to detest; and, although he is the last one I would suspect of becoming a p=
roduct of the "manufacture of consent" in the United States, he has been th=
oroughly brainwashed, which accounts for this clear case of doublethink.=20
In a paper that I wrote for the Can Do Better website, I discussed the cont=
radictions in war socialism as envisioned by Jay as well as its obvious sim=
ilarity to Dematerialism as envisioned by me.=A0=A0=A0I copied the followin=
g=A0from the What's New section of my homepage:=20
See the extended journal entry for July 27th on =93Communism and Some Idle =
Thoughts on the Excesses of Capitalism=94.=A0 This and the entries of June =
9th and June 16th have been pulled together in a discussion of the differen=
ces between War Socialism and the Natural Economy at http://dematerialism.n=
et/hanson.htm.=A0 Thanks to James Sinnamon, this is available at http://can=
dobetter.org/blog/18, my new blog on candobetter.org.
Alternatively, if time is short, see http://dematerialism.net/warsocial.htm=
=A0in which I explain why war socialism is either a point on the path towar=
d=A0a natural economy and therefore a form of dematerialism or it is nothin=
g but a huge mistake.=A0 I regret that I satisfy myself principally in a wr=
itten piece like this.=A0 Hopefully, the intelligent reader will be able to=
grasp the main points in the proof.=A0 If not, please ask me to elucidate.
Tom Wayburn, Houston, Texas
twayburn@...
http://www.dematerialism.net/
http://dematerialism.blogspot.com/
http://dematerialism.wikispaces.com/
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