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Re: caloric payback for PV

> >instance, is powering electric can openers and pencil sharpeners?
How much
> >is expended on after-dinner auto trips to the store to fill urgent
needs
> >for dessert?


To begin analyzing this, the 'demand' side may be too complex. But
you can easily get some minimal threshold figures by looking at the
the 'supply' side.

Best example: the soft drink industry. Completely and absolutely
useless. Just rots your teeth. Now calculate how much energy it uses,
in all aspects, and how many people it directly indirectly employs.

Might as well start with the "clear" cases.

-Scott Meredith


~~~~~~~ EnergyResources Moderator Comment ~~~~~~~~

And after thirty years and at least six Billion dollars spent on energy
efficiency, you would not think we would have to once again start from scratch
to know our energy-using habits and the ways we can make them less costly.

~~~~~ EnergyResources Moderator Tom Robertson ~~~~~~




Tue Apr 10, 2001 6:04 am

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