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Re: Michael Lynch's Bold New Prediction

Hey, you remember me!
This demonstrates the limited value of picking a quote out of a news
story. The issue was short-term prices. I think that the worsened
political situation in Iraq, Nigeria, Ecuador and Iran (nuclear
conflict with West) will keep speculative pressure on the market,
meaning that the weakening fundamentals will not see lower prices
for a few months yet. But you will see $40 this year, IMHO, and
maybe $30. The demand reference was in response to my point, made
last year, that the various forecasts (IEA, etc.) for demand growth
in 2006 seemed overly optimistic. This is now proving out. (I
notice nobody has mentioned Matt's prediction that winter prices
might hit $160, or was it $180?)
I don't know why you think oil production has peaked, though. Sure
doesn't look like it to me.
Mike Lynch

--- In energyresources@yahoogroups.com, "Ron Patterson"
<readyourdarwin@...> wrote:
>
> News Alert! Michael Lynch predicts oil prices to fall below SIXTY
> BUCKS! What a bold prediction, what courage it took for him to
make
> such an earth shattering prediction. Oil prices would have to fall
> over three dollars per barrel for this radical prediction to come
> true.
>
> "The fear that demand would accelerate later this year is fading,"
> said Michael Lynch, president of Strategic Energy & Economic
Research
> in Winchester, Massachusetts. "There will come a point when there
> will be a shortage of storage. We are getting closer to the point
> where you can't ignore the fundamentals, and we'll then see prices
> fall below $60."
> http://tinyurl.com/ly4l9
>
> Of course oil prices are likely to drop below sixty dollars this
> year, they may do it several times. But I wonder what happened to
> Michael's prediction of oil hitting thirty five dollars per barrel
by
> last summer.
>
> Seriously though, everyone is lowering their estimate of oil
demand
> in 2006. Of course it had to happen. High oil prices are beginning
to
> have a strong effect on oil demand. I predict that demand will
fall
> even below the 84.5 mb/d figure predicted by OPEC and others. If
oil
> prices remain in the sixty buck range, and I expect they will,
that
> will mean a demand level of about 84 mb/d, or below, (all liquids)
> and not much more. It will have to fall to that amount because
that
> will be about all the oil extracted per day this year.
>
> Ron Patterson
>










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... Rune, there is no way that we can know for sure until well after the fact. I think December 05 will turn out to be the peak however I could very well be...
Ron Patterson
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Mar 18, 2006
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Hey, you remember me! This demonstrates the limited value of picking a quote out of a news story. The issue was short-term prices. I think that the worsened ...
wilfrid02144
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Mar 18, 2006
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... picking a quote out of a news story. The issue was short-term prices. I think that the worsened political situation in Iraq, Nigeria, Ecuador and Iran...
Ron Patterson
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Mar 19, 2006
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... Wouldn't inventories be building because many refineries are completing maintenance that was put off after Katrina? ==AC...
Angry Chimp
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Mar 19, 2006
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Only to a small degree. And when the tanks are full, they're full. If you hadn't lost a bunch of production from Katrina, OECD inventories would be at or...
wilfrid02144
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Mar 21, 2006
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... http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9753233/ http://www.financialsense.com/transcriptions/Simmons.html Steven Zoraster...
szoraster
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Mar 20, 2006
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I have said all along that Matt dramatically underestimates the effect that high prices have on consumption. I believe that if prices double, to around $120 a...
Ron Patterson
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Mar 21, 2006
2:49 am

There is a point to be made that it took the mildest winter in memory to get natural gas futures down to their present level. Yes, there is some demand...
toilforoil
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Mar 21, 2006
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... memory to get natural gas futures down to their present level. Yes, there is some demand destruction occurring as a few people substitute building or...
Ron Patterson
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Mar 22, 2006
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Yeah, it also took weather to get us into high gas prices. I am given to understand that US gas production (marketed) dropped sharply last year due to...
wilfrid02144
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Mar 23, 2006
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Wow. M. Lynch acknowledges that nature affects supply. And here you had almost convinced me that it is all about demand and demand- stimulated creativity. ...
toilforoil
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Mar 23, 2006
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Thanks for the links, Steven. Actually, Simmons was not, strictly speaking, incorrect. Given the state of production following last year's hurricanes, and...
Lane Wimberley
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Mar 21, 2006
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This is reminiscent of the misrepresentation of 'Limits to Growth' in how it spins 'possible scenarios' into being 'predictions.' As for Michael Lynch.... I...
Eric Thurston
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Mar 21, 2006
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Yes, in fact, I am debating Ken Deffeyes and Jean Laherrere in Vienna soon. I find that while there is concern about oil supply, the industry doesn't take it...
wilfrid02144
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Mar 22, 2006
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Ah, Vienna, that hot bed of alternative thinking, where Macdonald's puts tablecloths on their tables. Seriously, Mike, your thinking takes me back to the...
sustain_ability@...
mogiljan
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Mar 22, 2006
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Ignoring the flame, it's at the European Geosciences Union meeting. Mike ... Macdonald's puts ... me ... warning ... ignored. ... industry ... that the only...
wilfrid02144
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Mar 23, 2006
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Mike, I can't blame you for trying to belittle those who take this seriously due to the repeated swipes people take at you (justified or not). However there...
Mike Tooke
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Mar 22, 2006
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Mike I sit here in Louisville with a few shares of Exxon Mobil, BPAmoco, and Chevron Texaco and every year their annual reports tell me that they are not ...
Burwell Marshall
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Mar 22, 2006
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David O'Reilly of Chevron takes it seriously. Henry Groppe has more experience than most, owing to his age and the time he has spent in the business. He takes...
skorpela
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Mar 22, 2006
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He didn't say that it would hit those prices. He said that IF we had a really cold winter (in fact it was one of the warmest on record) that NATURAL GAS prices...
Demanche
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Mar 21, 2006
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You obviously did not read that the world's second largest oil field in Kuwait has gone into decline, inspite of their efforts to boost production back to ...
George Harding
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Mar 21, 2006
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Wow! Down 300k? Where did you see that? And what is the source of the 80% water cut at Ghawar? Mike Lynch...
wilfrid02144
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Mar 23, 2006
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... prices. ... speculative ... will ... $30 ... $67 ... Good luck with that, Ron. Nigeria is worse than its been for years, and the contango in the futures...
wilfrid02144
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Mar 21, 2006
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... years, and the contango in the futures market (current prices low) reflects the growing surplus. When the market was backwardated, you didn't seem to think...
Ron Patterson
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Mar 21, 2006
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I guess Mike Lynch is right, when he mentions that applying the Deffeyes statement to countries, provides an inaccurate result. Deffeyes is just a geologist....
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Mar 22, 2006
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Sorry, I can't take the blame for applying the Hubbert model to countries, that honor goes to Deffeyes, Campbell and Laherere. And I mentioned the failure to...
wilfrid02144
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Does this imply then that Deffeyes' statement ("Dec 16, 2005") is of no value? Can someone put his statement into proper perspective for me, please? thanks, ...
Perry Arnett
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Mar 18, 2006
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... Perry, December 16th marked the exact center point of the Hubbert linearization. http://www.princeton.edu/hubbert/current-events-06-02.html M. King...
Ron Patterson
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Mar 19, 2006
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The main point though is that if you apply it to various countries' production, you will get a wide variety of results, mostly inaccurate. Try it on UK or...
wilfrid02144
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Deffeyes' model is extremely simplistic and invalid. If you apply to things like US GDP, you will also get a peak and endpoint. Mike Lynch ... of no ... me, ...
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