I am interested in taking the course form New York Institute of Photography. Has
anyone taken them? What are your thoughts? PLMK and thank you

   Hilary


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In case anyone is looking for a used but in mint condition Sigma 70-
200 f2.8 lens, I have one for sale:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
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Hi,

I just want to share my experience with 420 EX.  I'm not that much
an expert though...
Anyway, in my experience, what 420 ex lack is the manual control.
All you have is automatic with E-TTL.  Not that E-TTL is bad, it's
just that sometimes you just want to light the subject's face with
low power, and all the 420 EX did was set the entire scene with a
perfect light, but not the light that I wanted (I forgot if 420 had
the manual zooming control or not).

I am now using the 430 EX, which only slightly more powerful than
420 EX, but I guess the ability  to control the power manually
enables it to give full flash power.  Haven't tried the 580 EX, but
I believe it's more powerful than 430 EX, in terms of light power
and features.

I don't really get what you mean by "issues indoor with lighting",
but from my experience, as the flash is always in automatic, the E-
TTL gives the reading of ambient lighting and that makes the subject
is underexpose.  But that's only my assumption.

Another thing, I also have the Metz 44AF3, which will work only in
manual with EOS 20D, but works perfectly on my EOS 30 (film).  And
yes, if you're looking at the result of EOS 30 (Sensia 100) with
44AF3 and  20D with 420 EX, the result from 20D is a bit
underexposed (about 1/3 to 1/2 stop I think).

My suggestion, try all those flashes before you decide.  You had a
digital SLR, you can see the result instantly :-)


Cheers,

Sony




--- In eos20d@yahoogroups.com, "hmguy4455" <hmguy4455@...> wrote:
>
> I currently have the 420EX flash for my 20D. Was told that maybe
it's
> not strong enough for the camera? I am having issues indoors with
> lighting so thought this might be part of the problem? PLMK your
> thouhgts and opinions.
>
> Thank you
>

I have a 420EX, I've used it for weddings with the 17-85
and 24-70 lenses and a Fong diffuser, it works fine for
shots indoors with a white ceiling or wall within 10 feet.
I've also rented a 580EX and used it for weddings.  For me
the main reasons to get the 580ex were:

-recycling time (and external battery packs)
-able to control other flashes remotely (very nice!)
-more power (but not that much)

In cases where I really needed more power, I used a couple
of sunpak 544's or 750 watt second monolights.

If your 420EX is underexposing, we'd need more info about
the actual shooting conditions.  You might try raising your
ISO, on EOS you can go up to 800 and get pretty good
results, sometimes I even use 1600.  The 580 is brighter,
but not as much as you may think.  If your shots are more
than 2 stops underexposed, you may want to change something
else, like trying a F 1.8 lens, or if you're shooting
outdoors bright sun fill flash, try using the high-speed
sync, it can do wonders like F4 at 2000th.

Good luck!

-Jeff

--- lokejul <jul.loke@...> wrote:

> > I currently have the 420EX flash for my 20D. Was told
> that
> > maybe it's not strong enough for the camera? I am
> having
> > issues indoors with lighting so thought this might be
> part
> > of the problem? PLMK your thouhgts and opinions.
> > Thank you
>
> Whether the 420EX is "strong enough" depends on the
> subject
> you are shooting, the distance from the flash to the
> subject,
> the ISO setting on your camera, and the aperture setting
> of
> your lens.
>
> In other words, some more information would be more
> helpful.
>
> Cheers
> Julian Loke
>
>
>
>


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> I currently have the 420EX flash for my 20D. Was told that
> maybe it's not strong enough for the camera? I am having
> issues indoors with lighting so thought this might be part
> of the problem? PLMK your thouhgts and opinions.
> Thank you

Whether the 420EX is "strong enough" depends on the subject
you are shooting, the distance from the flash to the subject,
the ISO setting on your camera, and the aperture setting of
your lens.

In other words, some more information would be more helpful.

Cheers
Julian Loke

I currently have the 420EX flash for my 20D. Was told that maybe it's
not strong enough for the camera? I am having issues indoors with
lighting so thought this might be part of the problem? PLMK your
thouhgts and opinions.

Thank you

>> Can anyone out there tell me?? on the canon 20D camera adding
>> the Canon Extender EF 2xII to a 70-200 2.8 IS USM lens
>> degrades the quality of the picture??.

> Why not consider getting the 100-400IS USM? It's not a 2.8 but
> then again as you're using a 2x extender your 2.8 will become
> a 5.6...

Adding an EF 2x II magnifies the central 50% of the original
image. The electronics also force the camera to reduce the
focussing speed, as well as reporting the two-step reduction
in effective aperture.

If you already have a 70-200 f/2.8 IS USM, buying an EF 2x II
would make sense. However, if you intend to shoot at 300mm or
400mm most of the time, that would justify a dedicated long
telephoto lens.

While I do not have a 70-200 IS USM, I can comment on the
EF 200 f/2.8 L, the EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6 L IS USM, and the
EF 70-300 f/4-5.6 IS USM.

Cheers
Julian Loke

From: "okaaayman" <maxnex2@...>
> Can anyone out there tell me?? on the canon 20D camera adding the Canon
> Extender EF 2xII to a 70-200 2.8 IS USM lens degrades the quality of
> the picture??.

Why not consider getting the 100-400IS USM? It's not a 2.8 but then
again as you're using a 2x extender your 2.8 will become a 5.6...



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Can anyone out there tell me?? on the canon 20D camera adding the Canon
Extender EF 2xII to a 70-200 2.8 IS USM lens degrades the quality of
the picture??. I know that I will give up a few F stops and certain
autofocus features do not work. But what I was wanting to know, if
there is anyone out there that has used both of these lens together and
do you have any sample pictures. I would be mostly using the combo for
wild life photography and occassional sports photography!!. I have
heard some sales reps in camera stores say " you need to buy another
lens". I wanted to find out if buying an extender is worth it???.
Collecting all the info I can, any resources shared is greatly
appreciated.

Max

> "Hilary Guy" wrote:
> Hi, all. I am wanting to really learn the ins and outs of lighting and
> especially the settings you use or would use in different situations. Did you
> read a good book, if so which one. How about a tutorial or an online course? I
> am really looking for good solid information on settings, white balance, etc.
> What settings are best at night indoors and out? I am getting a reddish tint
> to the pictures. What would you do to correct that?
> Please no flaming or bashing. I am just asking for guidance and suggestions:)
> Thank you,
> Hilary

Hi Hilary,

For basic information about camera operation, try a basic photography
course. You could start with the articles at http://photo.net/learn/

Your question about "Reddish tint" brings up a lot of possibilities.
It might help to post a small copy of the picture (for instance,
using the Group's Photo's area).

How did you view the image? On the camera LCD? On a television?
On the computer monitor? Or on photographic print?

Sincerely
Julian Loke

Hi, all. I am wanting to really learn the ins and outs of lighting and
especially the settings you use or would use in different situations. Did you
read a good book, if so which one. How about a tutorial or an online course? I
am really looking for good solid information on settings, white balance, etc.
What settings are best at night indoors and out? I am getting a reddish tint to
the pictures. What would you do to correct that?
  Please no flaming or bashing. I am just asking for guidance and suggestions:)

Thank you,
  Hilary


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--- In eos20d@yahoogroups.com, dhbailey <dhbailey@...> wrote:
>
> lbgraf wrote:
> > HEY MODERATOR, YOU ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL OR SOMETHING?!?  WHAT ARE
YOU
> > DOING ALLOWING A MESSAGE LIKE THIS TO BE PUBLISHED ON A
PHOTOGRAPHY SITE?
> >
>
> And what are you doing, shouting at someone who is doing you a
service
> for which you are paying him/her nothing?  How difficult is it to
hit
> the delete button when you get a message you don't like?
>
> and also be fair -- the moderator allowed your impolite message to
be
> posted, just like that message that offended you.
>
> And your final bad manners was to quote the very message you
disliked,
> forcing the rest of us to read it not once, which bothered you, but
> TWICE, because you had a little hissy-fit.
>
> Learn some netiquette, be polite in your requests for action from
the
> moderator, and learn to simply delete the offending messages.
After
> all, everybody on the list, including the moderator, received the
same
> message.
>
> I don't think this is a fully moderated list anyway, but I did
receive
> that same message on many of the yahoogroups I belong to, so
perhaps
> someone figured out how to sneak it past moderators.
>
> --

> David H. Bailey
> dhbailey@...
>

Suit yourself.  These clubs are topic oriented.  Don't need such
solicitations from a digital camera site.  I wonder what Canon would
think?  In a couple of other Canon digital camera groups, members
posting these notices, which are way off topic, just get banned.

Anybody wanting this can go either to a dating site or other sites,
depending upon specific wants.

I am tempted.  But I wouldn't be if I already owned a 20D.  I don't
feel that the improvements are minor.
1.  Spot metering - if you don't already know, you might be
flabbergasted to learn how useful this can be!
2.  A 2.5 cm monitor (vs a 1.8 cm monitor) - now if they only made the
monitor as versatile and useful as the ones on the G series APS
cameras - well so much for dreaming.
3.  A more rugged shutter system - 100,00 cycles.
4.  A more flexible control system for exposures.
5.  MSRP somewhat lower than the 20D!

Personally, I don't have the money for the 17-55 f/2.8 - which I
believe is almost as expensive as the camera body.  Seems to me that if
I want those features - reported to be equivalent to an "L" series
lens, then perhaps I'd also want a more upscale camera body.  Well you
may disagree, but for my use, I'm still not convinced that the 17-85mm
IS USM is so terrible, as some have indicated.

Bob in Florida

--- In eos20d@yahoogroups.com, "lokejul" <jul.loke@...> wrote:
>
> http://www.canon.co.jp/Imaging/eos30d/
>
> The new EF-S 17-55 f/2.8 IS USM sure looks tempting too.
>
> Cheers
> Julian Loke
> P.S. Sitting on my hands, so my wallet is out of reach :-)
>

Subject:  Re: [eos20d] Is anyone tempted by EOS 30D?

I'm a 10D owner who resisted the 20D.  After the 1D mk.2 N and 5D came
out, I was sure a "20Dn" wouldn't be far away.  I'm really interested
in the 30D now.

Or I may buy a Volkswagen GTI as a substitute.

thanks!

.. glad to see useful advice.

-Jeff

--- Julian Loke <jul.loke@...> wrote:

> > Jeff Callen wrote:
> > hmm... I just use a windows laptop and the operating
> > system's file explorer.. i.e. drag and drop... I'd
> > appreciate knowing whatever program you use... I could
> use
> > something like ACdecee or similar, but I'm often using
> > other people's laptops...
> > -Jeff
>
> Hi Jeff,
>
> I guess you also gave up on Photoshop Elements slow and
> painful Image downloader!
>
> I have a utility called "Image Transfer" that came with
> my Sony P&S camera. Yes, it also works well with my EOS
> 20D,
> provided I tag the Compact Flash card.
>
> Before you spend money on ACDSee or Breezebrowser, etc,
> Have a look at Microsoft SyncToy:
>  http://tinyurl.com/7dlru
>
> Alternatively, there are several freeware image
> downloaders
> available. See:
>  http://www.dps.uk.com/freeware_transferer.htm
>
> Cheers
> Julian Loke
>
>
>


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> Jeff Callen wrote:
> hmm... I just use a windows laptop and the operating
> system's file explorer.. i.e. drag and drop... I'd
> appreciate knowing whatever program you use... I could use
> something like ACdecee or similar, but I'm often using
> other people's laptops...
> -Jeff

Hi Jeff,

I guess you also gave up on Photoshop Elements slow and
painful Image downloader!

I have a utility called "Image Transfer" that came with
my Sony P&S camera. Yes, it also works well with my EOS 20D,
provided I tag the Compact Flash card.

Before you spend money on ACDSee or Breezebrowser, etc,
Have a look at Microsoft SyncToy:
  http://tinyurl.com/7dlru

Alternatively, there are several freeware image downloaders
available. See:
  http://www.dps.uk.com/freeware_transferer.htm

Cheers
Julian Loke

hmm... I just use a windows laptop and the operating
system's file explorer.. i.e. drag and drop... I'd
appreciate knowing whatever program you use... I could use
something like ACdecee or similar, but I'm often using
other people's laptops...

-Jeff

--- Julian Loke <jul.loke@...> wrote:

> > Jeff Callen wrote:
> > For me, there's only one killer feature of the 30D...
> the
> > ability to have more than 100 images in one folder, I
> shoot
> > weddings and find that I have to really concentrate
> when
> > moving images to my laptop from CF cards halfway
> through
> > the wedding.... the chance of forgetting one folder is
> > something that always scares me whenever I'm about to
> > reformat my cards....
>
> Hi Jeff,
>
> With what program are you downloading images to your
> laptop?
> Do you use a flash card reader?
>
> My computer just sucks all the files, then deletes them
> from
> the Compact Flash card.
>
> Cheers
> Julian Loke
>
>
>


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> Jeff Callen wrote:
> For me, there's only one killer feature of the 30D... the
> ability to have more than 100 images in one folder, I shoot
> weddings and find that I have to really concentrate when
> moving images to my laptop from CF cards halfway through
> the wedding.... the chance of forgetting one folder is
> something that always scares me whenever I'm about to
> reformat my cards....

Hi Jeff,

With what program are you downloading images to your laptop?
Do you use a flash card reader?

My computer just sucks all the files, then deletes them from
the Compact Flash card.

Cheers
Julian Loke

For me, there's only one killer feature of the 30D... the
ability to have more than 100 images in one folder, I shoot
weddings and find that I have to really concentrate when
moving images to my laptop from CF cards halfway through
the wedding.... the chance of forgetting one folder is
something that always scares me whenever I'm about to
reformat my cards....

Otherwise, I'm happy this may make the 20D even cheaper...
I could use a backup...

The lens does seem nice though...

-Jeff

--- Christopher Bibbs <christopher_bibbs@...>
wrote:

> The lens looks nice, but the 30D is such a small
> improvement over the 20D that I'm more tempted to start
> looking for a lightly used sample for a back-up body.
>
>
> To: eos20d@...: jul.loke@...:
> Thu, 23 Feb 2006 00:51:15 +0000Subject: [eos20d] Is
> anyone tempted by EOS
> 30D?http://www.canon.co.jp/Imaging/eos30d/The new EF-S
> 17-55 f/2.8 IS USM sure looks tempting too.CheersJulian
> LokeP.S. Sitting on my hands, so my wallet is out of
> reach :-)
>
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The lens looks nice, but the 30D is such a small improvement over the 20D that
I'm more tempted to start looking for a lightly used sample for a back-up body.


To: eos20d@...: jul.loke@...: Thu, 23 Feb 2006
00:51:15 +0000Subject: [eos20d] Is anyone tempted by EOS
30D?http://www.canon.co.jp/Imaging/eos30d/The new EF-S 17-55 f/2.8 IS USM sure
looks tempting too.CheersJulian LokeP.S. Sitting on my hands, so my wallet is
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http://www.canon.co.jp/Imaging/flashwork/

The latest installment all about E-TTL II.

Has anyone here shot with a 430EX and a 420EX, and can
compare them?

Cheers
Julian Loke

http://www.canon.co.jp/Imaging/eos30d/

The new EF-S 17-55 f/2.8 IS USM sure looks tempting too.

Cheers
Julian Loke
P.S. Sitting on my hands, so my wallet is out of reach :-)

lbgraf wrote:
> HEY MODERATOR, YOU ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL OR SOMETHING?!?  WHAT ARE YOU
> DOING ALLOWING A MESSAGE LIKE THIS TO BE PUBLISHED ON A PHOTOGRAPHY SITE?
>

And what are you doing, shouting at someone who is doing you a service
for which you are paying him/her nothing?  How difficult is it to hit
the delete button when you get a message you don't like?

and also be fair -- the moderator allowed your impolite message to be
posted, just like that message that offended you.

And your final bad manners was to quote the very message you disliked,
forcing the rest of us to read it not once, which bothered you, but
TWICE, because you had a little hissy-fit.

Learn some netiquette, be polite in your requests for action from the
moderator, and learn to simply delete the offending messages.  After
all, everybody on the list, including the moderator, received the same
message.

I don't think this is a fully moderated list anyway, but I did receive
that same message on many of the yahoogroups I belong to, so perhaps
someone figured out how to sneak it past moderators.

--
David H. Bailey
dhbailey@...

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--- In eos20d@yahoogroups.com, "boni-greenslade196@..."
<boni-greenslade196@...> wrote:
>
> I know some buddys who have met a few nice honey's off of this kind
of thing (here is the place they used:
http://dontbelatecomehere.info/nbri , but what do ya think? I think it
is mad cool from what I saw at my buddy's house, and iam thinking of
signing up later today. Basically it's a regular personalssite, but
with an instant message and Webkams system built in. Basically you
join their chat-room on their site it gives you a link to those people
online in the chat-room, their location, their picture, etc and at one
click you can start chatting to them over Webcam (even if you don't
have one). Pretty nifty stuff I       think!
>

I know some buddys who have met a few nice honey's off of this kind of thing
(here is the place they used: http://dontbelatecomehere.info/nbri , but what do
ya think? I think it is mad cool from what I saw at my buddy’s house, and iam
thinking of signing up later today. Basically it's a regular personalssite, but
with an instant message and Webkams system built in. Basically you join their
chat-room on their site it gives you a link to those people online in the
chat-room, their location, their picture, etc and at one click you can start
chatting to them over Webcam (even if you don't have one). Pretty nifty stuff I
think!

> Problem:
> The problem is that the Camera shutdown after a few shots using one or TWO
> fully charged batteries, when use the camera with one of the batteries the
> camera displays a fully charged battery icon and works for hours
> My first camera was a Canon an AE-1, now I think Canon is another company, a
> complete diferent company.  May be is time get a Nikon...
> The only good thing about Canon is you people. You that supports what they
> can't do.
> Thanks
> Guillermo

Hi Guillermo,

There is a push-button switch in the battery compartment that is activated when
you close the battery cover of the EOS 20D, or when you mount the BG-E2
securely.

Unfortunately, the switch mechanism is vulnerable to disconnection when you
use your camera by holding the BG-E2 grip. My fix is to apply some material
(plastic or paper) to push harder on the switch.

I will cross-post at the EOS20D group for follow-ups:
  http://yahoogroups.com/group/eos20D

Is there sufficient interest for this be new EOSdoc document? Any volunteers?

Sincerely
Julian Loke

Thanks for the suggestions. I will check them out this weekend. My
two clubs each bought a nice projector within the last few months
(different models) at recommended resolution (without breaking the
bank). Yet I don't see the same clarity as a good slide projected to
the same size.

MarkJ

--- In eos20d@yahoogroups.com, dhbailey <dhbailey@...> wrote:
>
> MarkJ wrote:
>
> > My two photography clubs have each bought digital projectors. We
are
> > still looking for a good simple software (and reasonably cheap)
to
> > give slide shows. Understand this not for pre-building a slide
show.
> > This would be for allowing members to bring their pictures on a
CD or
> > usb memory device and simply show the files in an efficient
manor,
> > with the usually manual control and automatic options. Please
don't
> > suggest the Microsoft viewer in XP, it's simply not enough for
club
> > use.
> >
> > Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.
> >
> > MarkJ
>
> The amazingly cheap (read that as FREE unless you choose to make a
> donation) and very powerful IrfanView (www.irfanview.com) would be
my
> first suggestion.
>
> Or there is SlideShowToGo from http://www.nightwatchsoftware.com/
which
> is shareware but is also very powerful.
>
> --
> David H. Bailey
> dhbailey@...
>

MarkJ wrote:

> My two photography clubs have each bought digital projectors. We are
> still looking for a good simple software (and reasonably cheap) to
> give slide shows. Understand this not for pre-building a slide show.
> This would be for allowing members to bring their pictures on a CD or
> usb memory device and simply show the files in an efficient manor,
> with the usually manual control and automatic options. Please don't
> suggest the Microsoft viewer in XP, it's simply not enough for club
> use.
>
> Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> MarkJ

The amazingly cheap (read that as FREE unless you choose to make a
donation) and very powerful IrfanView (www.irfanview.com) would be my
first suggestion.

Or there is SlideShowToGo from http://www.nightwatchsoftware.com/ which
is shareware but is also very powerful.

--
David H. Bailey
dhbailey@...

My two photography clubs have each bought digital projectors. We are
still looking for a good simple software (and reasonably cheap) to
give slide shows. Understand this not for pre-building a slide show.
This would be for allowing members to bring their pictures on a CD or
usb memory device and simply show the files in an efficient manor,
with the usually manual control and automatic options. Please don't
suggest the Microsoft viewer in XP, it's simply not enough for club
use.

Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.

MarkJ

image quality largely rely on your lens also, what is your lens by the
way... merry chirstmas...

elwin