Hi, did any of you happen to notice the article in Archaeology Magazine
<http://www.archaeology.org/curiss/newsbriefs/newsindex.html> about a
confirmed date 800,000 years ago for homo erectus making a sea voyage?  A
few implications.  John Sanguinetti




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Here's another response to some of Vincent Mooney's questions:
1. It is difficult to classify very ancient words/sounds as "Indo European" or "Semitic", since the differences seem to disappear when one looks to the time before "modern" religious references arose. In the absence of another definition, I think there was an "ancient nature language" which was related to the experiences of people following the ice age, as they established habitations along the bodies of water created by the melting of the ice. These experiences led to the use of certain sounds to mean different things, beginning with the 'big things' in nature and animal life, around which a primitive, animalistic folk-mythology grew. These folk myths grew into the religions we know today. The word "Canaan", for example, means "beach", "lee", or "quay", but buried in the word, are the roots, "Kai", "nu", and "an". These mean "Quay-Nu-People", whichs mixes Norse (I.E.) and "Semitic". It seems that the Canaanites may be part Norse, and vice-versa, as Semitic and I.E. sounds intermix quite often in the two contexts.
        The "Amurru" are the "Amorites" mentioned in the Old Testament. They are also considered to be the "Old Babylonians". For that reason, one finds that their name reflects the "Black Sun" reference reflected in the name Marduke (Mordekai, in the O.T.). This name, according to Lyne, is Mor-de-kai, which literally means "Black-Light-Quay". You will notice the similarity of "de" to the word "day", which in this context means "sun", but in other contexts means "light", as do the the Greek word leucos, or the Spanish word luz. I have found that vowel sounds, when used to begin a word or name, usually mean "east". Examples: Austria (Ostreich, or "east reich"). Examples can be found for thousands of words. In "Apiru", "east" is combined with "-pir" and "-u". These derive from "piercing, hole", etc., and "-u" to give the meaning "East-Port-People". The sound takes several forms, such as "bur", "pur", "phir" (as in Ophir). Example: Bur Said (Port Said), Kuala Limpur, etc. "Bur" can also mean "earth", but usually to a digging, as in "barrow" or "burrough".
        How could America be named for Americus Vespucci, when Americus was named by his (cartographer) father for America (which was a place)? Thought by Barry Fell to mean "Land beyond the Water", I deciper it as "East-Black-Sun-Quay" ("A-mur-ri-ca). Since the "Black Sun" is a Sumerian (Su-mer-ri-an = "hare-black-sun-quay") reference, it is naturally related to the Amurru, the "Old Babylonians". The Sumerians are purportedly traced from some earlier origin in an icy world of the Black Sun---the sun which shines at night---which would be the Aurora Borealis. The place was called Hyperborea (i.e., "Ophir-barrow"). It appears that the entire North American continent was once called "Ophir" by the Sumerians. 
         Bill Lyne

(Note: First let me correct a statement I made earlier; in my third paragraph, I meant to say that the sailors of Solomon and Hiram are believed to have had no Mediterranean ports available to them, if the Old Testament is to be taken as accurate.)

        In response to Brant Gardner's comment, it is difficult to be specific without the exact date of the photo "from early 1900's", which could be any time between 1900 and 1950. As stated in E.S.O.P., Vol. 10, No. 237, in an article by L. Lyle Underwood of Tucson, in 1936, Frank C. Hibben, Ph.D., UNM Anthropology Dept., reported that his estimation of the age of the stone was "over 100 years old" at that time. Since there was scarcely anyone available who was able to write such scripts, it is highly improbable that they would have done so prior to 1936 (or 1836). I'd be willing to bet that the photo Gardner refers to either does not show the stone on which the inscription was made, or at least fails to show it with sufficient detail so as to determine that the "inscription was not there", then (whenever "then" was).
        One of the things used to obtain a dating of this stone, was the odd use of varying script which would have been more or less typical for a literate Israelite about 100 years after the time of Solomon.
        In the same Underwood article however, it is stated that the Rio Puerco is a tributary of the Rio Grande, and "definitely in the Atlantic drainage". If one studies a map, and actually goes to the area to view the Rio Puerco---which incidentally has a bed which is continuous all the way to Grande Canyon---one can see that the Rio Puerco river bed actually undercuts the present Rio Grande River bed, and extends on the other side of the river! That means that the Rio Puerco bed is older than the Rio Grande bed.
        In a hydrological/geological study I did, beginning about 1974, I determined that in the 9th century B.C., the Rio Puerco was in the Pacific drainage, because there was an inland sea, at a 6300' elevation, which covered the area extending from north of Soccorro, all the way to the foot of Mesa Verde, in Colorado. Actually, there were two seas, divided by the Caja del Rio ("Box of the River"), which is just to the southeast of Santa Fe. Both these seas drained into the Grand Canyon. The one north of the Caja del Rio drained across Chaco Mesa, and the one to the south drained into Grand Canyon via the Rio San Jose. Sometime before c. 1500 B.C., the lower sea was drained when a volcanic eruption at Mount Taylor filled up the Rio San Jose river bed with magma, causing the water to back up and rise in the lower sea, until a dam of volcanic origin north of Soccorro broke away in its upper area, draining the upper 200' of the lower sea. That left two seas, one at 6500', draining to the Pacific, and the other at 6300', draining to the Atlantic. The waters of the lower sea could no longer make it past the magma, and over the "new" "continental divide". The upper sea continued to drain through Grand Canyon, until a catastrophe of c. 1100, A.D.
        When the Egyptians arrived in c.1475 B.C., the 6300' waterline existed in the Galisteo Basin, while the 6500' sea drained to the Pacific across Chaco Mesa. By transfer of shoal draft vessels from the lower sea to the upper, and vice-versa, it was possible to sail from the Gulf of Mexico to the Pacific Ocean. The vessels were transferred near the present Cochiti Reservation. Even by the time of the Spanish Conquistadors, the waters of the upper sea sometimes made it possible to travel over Chaco Mesa by boat, but that soon came to an end. The first Conquistadors arrived from the west, following the river beds into New Mexico from Arizona. Their maps of the original expedition were later considered mistaken, because the change in the water patterns confused them. That is the reason that some think that "Quivera" was in Arizona. It was in New Mexico. When the Conquistadors arrived, the area was called "Quiburio" ("Quay-Barrow"). Perhaps you notice a similarity to Quiberon, on the coast of France, and perhaps Ezion Gibur?
        Around 1l00 A.D. (the time in which Mesa Verde was deserted), the upper sea was suddenly drained when the 'dam' area (volvanic ash and magma, on top of the present La Majada and La Bajada areas) gave way, probably as an eventual result of a lack of the hydrostatic pressure which was maintained when the two seas were at the same level. With the collapse of the upper seashore, a devastating flood resulted, which washed away and destroyed a great deal of archaeological material. The giant flood created a "domino effect", and crashed away most of what was left of the volcanic 'dam' north of Soccorro, and almost completely drained both the upper and lower seas, almost overnight. At that point, the "upper Rio Grande" extended all the way to Mesa Verde and beyond. The "Eight Northern Rio Grande Pueblos" were then formed, as the people living along the shores of the vanished sea had to move downhill to the new riverbed. Actually, a couple of the pueblos are older than the others, because they continued to maintain a population at the 6500' level into the present time.
        The Rio Grande Gorge, clearly an original part of the Grand Canyon system, became a part of the "Upper Rio Grande" which does not match it. It is obvious that the Rio Grande above Soccorro is a recently created river, which wanders lazily across the sandy desert, quite unlike the Rio Grande Gorge, cut deep into rock by eons of water, like the Grande Canyon.
        If I knew the elevation at which the Los Lunas Stone sits, I would be able to give a better opinion, since, if it is very far below 6300 feet, it is highly unlikely that it dates earlier than 1100, A.D., and therefore would more likely relate to the 9th century, A.D. Ashkenazim, rather than to the people of Solomon's approximate time. If however the Los Lunas Stone sits at a place which was occupied by volcanic ash, it could date to an older time. One large boulder which I discovered sat on the shore of the Upper Sea, until the volcanic ash and magma was washed away, lowering the heavy stone to the top of a rock-hard, level mesa. Some of the carvings on the stone are covered with mineral encrustations which were deposited on it when it sat on the shore of the inland saltwater sea. Otherwise, there is no way that the encrustations could have been deposited on the stone in its present location, because there is nothing to retain the water. The stone is covered with what I call Canaanite/Norse carvings---serpents, footprints, hand prints, and a crowned head. The stone is the densest basalt, yet the serpentine lines are cleanly cut, with masterful strokes, to a depth of a half inch, about two inches wide. The mystery of this is what kind of chisel was used? I have cut stone, and I know how hard it would be to cut that stone.
        Oh yes, I'll give a brief comment for Vincent Mooney. The "Rou-" sound (as in "Russ", "Rassena", "Etruscans", etc.) certainly has an origin other than "French", though France was once called "Amorica" (when the Amorites ruled there), and "Brat-Tana" (when the proto-Slavic "Brothers of Tanith" ruled there). That's where the name for "Britain" came from. What language is this? Who were the Brat-tana, and where did they come from? If you have a sincere interest in this material, then surely you must realize that the archaeology, linguistics, and etymology that we take for granted, contains many errors. My etymology comes primarily from a study of ancient place-names---the "namescape", and other references of ancient words---guided somewhat by the work of Linus Bruner and Barry Fell, in whose works I also have found some errors, but a full coverage on that will take more time.
That's enough for now. Bill Lyne
Brant Gardner wrote:

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From: James Trimm [mailto:jstrimm@...]
Sent: Monday, May 11, 1998 9:31 AM
To: epigraphy@...
Subject: [epigraphy] Los Lunas Decalog

All,

        To help kick things off, for those who don't know:

        Near Los Lunas New Mexico there is a small mountain called "Hidden
Mountain."  At the top of this mountain is what appears to be the ruins of
an ancient Anasazzi settlement.  The top of the mountain is peppered with
Anasazzi pictographs and a few short Hebrew inscriptions.  At the base of
the mountain is a large boulder with a somewhat flattened surface.
Inscribed on this boulder is the Ten Commandments in Paleo-Hebrew script.

James Trimm

Brant:
I don't know if I am thinking of the same stone or not, but it sounds like
one that was in the news here in Albuquerque a year or so ago. It is a stone
with the ten commandments in Hebrew, and has been touted as a remnant of a
people moving through the area.  As part of the controversy over that stone,
someone came up with a photograph of the area in which the stone can be
seen. The photograph dates to the early 1900's. The inscriptions are not
there at that time.

Brant Gardner
nahualli@...
Albuquerque, NM

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At 02:26 PM 5/11/98 -0600, Brant Gardner wrote:
>-----Original Message-----
>From: James Trimm [mailto:jstrimm@...]
>Sent: Monday, May 11, 1998 9:31 AM
>To: epigraphy@...
>Subject: [epigraphy] Los Lunas Decalog
>
>
>
>All,
>
> To help kick things off, for those who don't know:
>
> Near Los Lunas New Mexico there is a small mountain called "Hidden
>Mountain."  At the top of this mountain is what appears to be the ruins of
>an ancient Anasazzi settlement.  The top of the mountain is peppered with
>Anasazzi pictographs and a few short Hebrew inscriptions.  At the base of
>the mountain is a large boulder with a somewhat flattened surface.
>Inscribed on this boulder is the Ten Commandments in Paleo-Hebrew script.
>
>James Trimm
>
>Brant:
>I don't know if I am thinking of the same stone or not, but it sounds like
>one that was in the news here in Albuquerque a year or so ago. It is a stone
>with the ten commandments in Hebrew, and has been touted as a remnant of a
>people moving through the area.  As part of the controversy over that stone,
>someone came up with a photograph of the area in which the stone can be
>seen. The photograph dates to the early 1900's. The inscriptions are not
>there at that time.
>
>Brant Gardner
>nahualli@...
>Albuquerque, NM
>

Brant,

      A certain J.J. Brody claims to recal having seen a photograph from the
30's in which the inscription was not there.  He says that we will "just
have to take it as an apocryphal statement" since he cannt produce such a
photograph.  There is also hear say evidence that the inscription was seen
as early as 1825.

James Trimm
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Brant Gardner wrote on the epigraphy list,

>I don't know if I am thinking of the same stone or not, but it sounds like
>one that was in the news here in Albuquerque a year or so ago. It is a stone
>with the ten commandments in Hebrew, and has been touted as a remnant of a
>people moving through the area.  As part of the controversy over that stone,
>someone came up with a photograph of the area in which the stone can be
>seen. The photograph dates to the early 1900's. The inscriptions are not
>there at that time.
>
>Brant Gardner
>nahualli@...
>Albuquerque, NM

Very interesting!  But are you saying the stone itself was not there,
or that it was there but not inscribed?  The former seems very unlikely,
since the stone is estimated to be 80 tons (I read that somewhere, and
it seems about reasonable, given the apparent size of the boulder in
photos.)  Obviously no one carried it in in his backpack, or even on
a burro!  The stone must have been carved in situ.

On the other hand, the inscription is cockeyed, so the stone must have
shifted or even rolled since it was carved.  If the stone itself
was not in the early photo, it must have rolled down from above
since the photo was taken.

Can you find a more precise reference to this photo?

-- Hu McCulloch




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Bill Lyne has offered a number of translations for names and words in an
e-mail.  Some of on this list will be interested in how these were arrived at.

I am looking for the justifications for these translations.  He says he has
also developed his own (copyrighted) etymology, which he calls the
"Etymology of the Ancient Nature Language and Religion".   I am sure his
research is unique, as he claims. Words he used included these :

1.  According to his own etymology, "Anasazi" means "East-Nu-Sun-People"
   Language?  (please include if it is Semitic, Indo-European, other).
Elements/Stems? Parallel uses in known languages?

2.  Ashkenazim = "East-Canaan-People"  Same questions.

3.  Akkadians = "East-Quay-Light-People"  Same questions plus is "light" as
in sun light or the opposite of heavy?

4.  Amorites = "East-Black-Suns"    ditto

5.  Abiru = "Iberians" or "East-Port-People"     ditto

6.  Ezion Gibur = "East-Sun-People-Quay-Barrow"      ditto

7.  Elath  = "East-Light" or "East-Side"      ditto

8. Ophir ("East-Port")    Oregon ("Gold-Canaan" or "Gold-Beach"),

9. Rouge ("Red") River   This is French so can't be thousands of years old

10.  America  = "Amurrica" or "Quay-of-the-Amurru"    This one is really
interesting as Americo Vespucci is the common origin of the name America, at
least as we all learned in school.
      Also, where is Amurru?  Its modern name, continent, people and so forth?


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From: James Trimm [mailto:jstrimm@...]
Sent: Monday, May 11, 1998 9:31 AM
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Subject: [epigraphy] Los Lunas Decalog



All,

	 To help kick things off, for those who don't know:

	 Near Los Lunas New Mexico there is a small mountain called "Hidden
Mountain."  At the top of this mountain is what appears to be the ruins of
an ancient Anasazzi settlement.  The top of the mountain is peppered with
Anasazzi pictographs and a few short Hebrew inscriptions.  At the base of
the mountain is a large boulder with a somewhat flattened surface.
Inscribed on this boulder is the Ten Commandments in Paleo-Hebrew script.

James Trimm

Brant:
I don't know if I am thinking of the same stone or not, but it sounds like
one that was in the news here in Albuquerque a year or so ago. It is a stone
with the ten commandments in Hebrew, and has been touted as a remnant of a
people moving through the area.  As part of the controversy over that stone,
someone came up with a photograph of the area in which the stone can be
seen. The photograph dates to the early 1900's. The inscriptions are not
there at that time.

Brant Gardner
nahualli@...
Albuquerque, NM



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All,

	 To help kick things off, for those who don't know:

	 Near Los Lunas New Mexico there is a small mountain called "Hidden
Mountain."  At the top of this mountain is what appears to be the ruins of
an ancient Anasazzi settlement.  The top of the mountain is peppered with
Anasazzi pictographs and a few short Hebrew inscriptions.  At the base of
the mountain is a large boulder with a somewhat flattened surface.
Inscribed on this boulder is the Ten Commandments in Paleo-Hebrew script.

James Trimm


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Hello all,
In the weeks to come I plan on contributing to this 'epigraphy' forum, as I've
much to share and discuss in the field.  Some of you may know me from my
published work in ESOP, Mounds Newsletter, and elsewhere, while others may only
be familiar with my stance against the alleged BURROWS CAVE and my continued
exposing of the neo-Nazi and convicted pederast, Frank Joseph Collin ('Frank
Joseph' of THE ANCIENT AMERICAN magazine).  Though skeptical of many diffusion
claims, I still suspect some inter-societal contact between the Old and New
Worlds before Columbus.  I look forward to sharing my 15 years of research and
personal investigations, as well as learning from others.  Toward that goal, may
I suggest those involved with this forum read the GUIDELINES FOR CONDUCT ON AND
USE OF INTERNET available at:
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I draw attention, here, to USER CONDUCT 1. Mailing lists, newsgroups, and
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BTW, the angry fellow earlier today SEEMED upset about multiple postings,
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All,

	 To help kick things off, for those who don't know:

	 Near Los Lunas New Mexico there is a small mountain called "Hidden
Mountain."  At the top of this mountain is what appears to be the ruins of
an ancient Anasazzi settlement.  The top of the mountain is peppered with
Anasazzi pictographs and a few short Hebrew inscriptions.  At the base of
the mountain is a large boulder with a somewhat flattened surface.
Inscribed on this boulder is the Ten Commandments in Paleo-Hebrew script.

James Trimm


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A good friend of mine has made me an Ohio Decalogue font and a Los Lunas
font.  These are true-type fonts for windows.  Anyone who would like these
fonts let me know.

James Trimm


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A good friend of mine has made me an Ohio Decalogue font and a Los Lunas
font.  These are true-type fonts for windows.  Anyone who would like these
fonts let me know.

James Trimm
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At 07:58 AM 5/11/98 -0800, gibbigeraz wrote:
>Just fick off and leave me alone little pussy .If ya not going to
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>assholes . I am a black muslim/rastafarian who wishes to have nothing
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Just fick off and leave me alone little pussy .If ya not going to
send something informative don't send anything at all .You are all
assholes . I am a black muslim/rastafarian who wishes to have nothing
to do with you white devils . I am a black man whose time to rule has
come as your 6000 year riegn has ened . Leave me alone before i
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All,

      With much difficulty I have translated the Johnson-Bradner Stone.  The
inscription reads:

	 BASE:  [You will not have] other [gods] before me <illegiable>
	 [ma]ke for yourself <illegiable> you will not take

	 LID: <illegiable> [of Y]HWH your God in vain, remember <illegiable>

James Trimm


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Someone should post a message about this list into that thread.

James Trimm

At 03:26 PM 5/9/98 -0400, Hu McCulloch wrote:
>Epigraphers--
>  There is some discussion of Barry Fell and the
>Los Lunas Inscription currently going on on the
>sci.archaeology USENET newsgroup, under the subject
>Barry Fell.
>
>  Here are a few epigraphic websites that may be of
>interest.  How about if James creates a page of links
>on geocities and gets it indexed?
>
>Olmec and Shang?
>  http://www.sinanet.com/sinorama/0697/english/1.html
>
>Iron Furnaces -- Bill Conner
>  http://www.iwaynet.net/wdc/
>
>Afro-Olmecs?
>  http://homepages.luc.edu/~cwinter/art1.html
>
>ArchNet (mainstream arch links)
>  http://spirit.lib.uconn.edu/ArchNet
>
>Egyptians in Australia?
>  http://www.ozemail.com/au/~classblu/egypt/egypt.htm
>
>Burrows Cave -- Burrows' version
>  http://www.net22.com/bcc/
>
>(Ptolemy Inc, ie Hubbard & Shaffranke, used to have
>a site called alexhelios, but I can't get it to work
>any more.)
>
>Traveller Bird Cherokee Syllabary
> http://www2.privatei.com/~bartjean/cherok.htm
>
>Gloria Farley's site
> http://www2.privatei.com/~bartjean/mainpage.htm
>
>Kennewick News
>  http://www.tri-city herald.com/bones/
>
>Pete Sjolander's Viking Navy
>  http://www2.digalog.com/Viking/
>
>Yuri Kuchinsky's page
>  http://www.trends.ca/~yuku/tran/tran.htm
>
>Cocaine Mummies?
>  http://lime.weeg.uiowa.edu/~anthro/webcourse/lost/coctrans.htm
>
>Every Ogham Thing on the Web
>  http://www.indigo.ie/egt/standards/og/ogmhard.html
>
>Gaels & Celts
>  http://sunsite.unc.edu/gaelic/gaelic.html
>
>Gungywamp Soc.
>  http://www.epix.net/~goudswrd/gwamp.html
>
>Antipigraphy
>  http://www.usc.edu/anth/cultarch/cultindex.html
>
>Enjoy!
>-- Hu McCulloch
>   mcculloch.2@...
>   http://www.econ.ohio-state.edu/jhm/arch/outliers.html
>
>
>
>
>
>J. Huston McCulloch         mcculloch.2@...
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Biography of Barry Fell:

http://www.rsnz.govt.nz/ybook96/8.html

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Here's my original list, with several corrections.  Discard
previous version:

Olmec and Shang?
   http://www.sinanet.com/sinorama/0697/english/1.html

Iron Furnaces -- Bill Conner
   http://www.iwaynet.net/~wdc/

Afro-Olmecs?
   http://homepages.luc.edu/~cwinter/art1.html

ArchNet (mainstream arch links)
   http://spirit.lib.uconn.edu/ArchNet

Egyptians in Australia?
   http://www.ozemail.com.au/~classblu/egypt/egypt.htm

Burrows Cave -- Burrows' version
   http://www.net22.com/bcc/

(Ptolemy Inc, ie Hubbard & Shaffranke, used to have
a site called alexhelios, but I can't get it to work
any more.)

Traveller Bird Cherokee Syllabary
  http://www2.privatei.com/~bartjean/cherok.htm

Gloria Farley's site
  http://www2.privatei.com/~bartjean/mainpage.htm

Kennewick News
   http://www.tri-cityherald.com/bones/

Pete Sjolander's Viking Navy
   http://www2.digalog.com/Viking/

Yuri Kuchinsky's page
   http://www.trends.ca/~yuku/tran/tran.htm

Cocaine Mummies?
   http://lime.weeg.uiowa.edu/~anthro/webcourse/lost/coctrans.htm

Every Ogham Thing on the Web
   http://www.indigo.ie/egt/standards/og/ogmharc.html

Gaels & Celts
   http://sunsite.unc.edu/gaelic/gaelic.html

Gungywamp Soc.
   http://www.epix.net/~goudswrd/gwamp.html

Antipigraphy
   http://www.usd.edu/anth/cultarch/cultindex.html

Enjoy!
-- Hu McCulloch
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Every Ogham Thing on the Web
   http://www.indigo.ie/egt/standards/og/ogmharc.html

-- HM

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Epigraphers--
   There is some discussion of Barry Fell and the
Los Lunas Inscription currently going on on the
sci.archaeology USENET newsgroup, under the subject
Barry Fell.

   Here are a few epigraphic websites that may be of
interest.  How about if James creates a page of links
on geocities and gets it indexed?

Olmec and Shang?
   http://www.sinanet.com/sinorama/0697/english/1.html

Iron Furnaces -- Bill Conner
   http://www.iwaynet.net/wdc/

Afro-Olmecs?
   http://homepages.luc.edu/~cwinter/art1.html

ArchNet (mainstream arch links)
   http://spirit.lib.uconn.edu/ArchNet

Egyptians in Australia?
   http://www.ozemail.com/au/~classblu/egypt/egypt.htm

Burrows Cave -- Burrows' version
   http://www.net22.com/bcc/

(Ptolemy Inc, ie Hubbard & Shaffranke, used to have
a site called alexhelios, but I can't get it to work
any more.)

Traveller Bird Cherokee Syllabary
  http://www2.privatei.com/~bartjean/cherok.htm

Gloria Farley's site
  http://www2.privatei.com/~bartjean/mainpage.htm

Kennewick News
   http://www.tri-city herald.com/bones/

Pete Sjolander's Viking Navy
   http://www2.digalog.com/Viking/

Yuri Kuchinsky's page
   http://www.trends.ca/~yuku/tran/tran.htm

Cocaine Mummies?
   http://lime.weeg.uiowa.edu/~anthro/webcourse/lost/coctrans.htm

Every Ogham Thing on the Web
   http://www.indigo.ie/egt/standards/og/ogmhard.html

Gaels & Celts
   http://sunsite.unc.edu/gaelic/gaelic.html

Gungywamp Soc.
   http://www.epix.net/~goudswrd/gwamp.html

Antipigraphy
   http://www.usc.edu/anth/cultarch/cultindex.html

Enjoy!
-- Hu McCulloch
    mcculloch.2@...
    http://www.econ.ohio-state.edu/jhm/arch/outliers.html





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At 06:36 PM 5/8/98 -0500, you wrote:
>At 07:05 PM 5/8/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>This is over 4 years old.  I never though I'd spread it out over the
>>internet but someone asked for suggestions, so....     IMPORTANT NOTE:
>>Someone needs to make a list of Internet sites.  Volunteers step forth
now !!
>>
>
>This is a good idea.  This will help the "diffusionism" movement to network
>on the internet.  If anyone visits such sites be sure to let the site
>operator know about this list and how to subscibe.  Also if there is a site
>discusion group, be sure to leave a post about this discusion group.  Also
>perhaps someone would like to start a website which would be a sister to
>this listserver.  The site could have a function that would allow users to
>subscribe to this list from the website by entering their e-mail address
>and pushing a button.  It could also have links to various diffusionist
>sites.  Free webspace  can be obtained at http://www.geocites.com for
>anyone who would like to take this on.  If so then send me an e-mail and I
>will get you the html-code for a box that will allow subsciptions to the
>list from the site.
>
>Here are two related sites for starters (I do not necissarily agree with
>everything on them):
>
>Archaeological Outliers
>http://www.econ.ohio-state.edu/jhm/arch/outliers.html
>
>Ancient American Magazine
>http://www.anciantamerican.com

My typeing is awful today:

that should be http://www.ancientamerican.com

>
>James Trimm
>James Trimm
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>and having been amazed he will reign,
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At 06:36 PM 5/8/98 -0500, James Trimm wrote:
>At 07:05 PM 5/8/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>This is over 4 years old.  I never though I'd spread it out over the
>>internet but someone asked for suggestions, so....     IMPORTANT NOTE:
>>Someone needs to make a list of Internet sites.  Volunteers step forth
now !!
>>
>
>This is a good idea.  This will help the "diffusionism" movement to network
>on the internet.  If anyone visits such sites be sure to let the site
>operator know about this list and how to subscibe.  Also if there is a site
>discusion group, be sure to leave a post about this discusion group.  Also
>perhaps someone would like to start a website which would be a sister to
>this listserver.  The site could have a function that would allow users to
>subscribe to this list from the website by entering their e-mail address
>and pushing a button.  It could also have links to various diffusionist
>sites.  Free webspace  can be obtained at http://www.geocites.com

oops that should be http://www.geocities.com

for
>anyone who would like to take this on.  If so then send me an e-mail and I
>will get you the html-code for a box that will allow subsciptions to the
>list from the site.
>
>Here are two related sites for starters (I do not necissarily agree with
>everything on them):
>
>Archaeological Outliers
>http://www.econ.ohio-state.edu/jhm/arch/outliers.html
>
>Ancient American Magazine
>http://www.anciantamerican.com
>
>James Trimm
>James Trimm
>==============================================
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>and having found he will be amazed,
>and having been amazed he will reign,
>and having reigned he will rest.
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At 07:05 PM 5/8/98 -0400, you wrote:
>This is over 4 years old.  I never though I'd spread it out over the
>internet but someone asked for suggestions, so....     IMPORTANT NOTE:
>Someone needs to make a list of Internet sites.  Volunteers step forth now !!
>

This is a good idea.  This will help the "diffusionism" movement to network
on the internet.  If anyone visits such sites be sure to let the site
operator know about this list and how to subscibe.  Also if there is a site
discusion group, be sure to leave a post about this discusion group.  Also
perhaps someone would like to start a website which would be a sister to
this listserver.  The site could have a function that would allow users to
subscribe to this list from the website by entering their e-mail address
and pushing a button.  It could also have links to various diffusionist
sites.  Free webspace  can be obtained at http://www.geocites.com for
anyone who would like to take this on.  If so then send me an e-mail and I
will get you the html-code for a box that will allow subsciptions to the
list from the site.

Here are two related sites for starters (I do not necissarily agree with
everything on them):

Archaeological Outliers
http://www.econ.ohio-state.edu/jhm/arch/outliers.html

Ancient American Magazine
http://www.anciantamerican.com

James Trimm
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This is over 4 years old.  I never though I'd spread it out over the
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          A Selected Bibliography in Pre-Columbian American History

       This listing has been compiled by Vincent J. Mooney Jr. to meet the
needs of the reader who wants to know more about the diffusion of ideas,
peoples, languages, and artifacts into the Americas in pre-Columbian times.
Entries on the list earn a position by the easy of availability; for this
reason, most items are accom-panied by ordering information.  Pricing and
availability are obviously subject to change.  Because some out of print
items can be found in used book stores, in specialty stores, or interlibrary
loan, they are included; a few items are included as worthy of historical
interest.  The descriptions of the entries are solely the responsibility of
Mr. Mooney; errors and omissions are also his responsibility.

Periodical Literature    The greatest part of the significant publications
in periodical literature are in the ESOP volumes.  It is impractical to list
the important papers here.  There are several other publications that cover
new and/or controversial data on a regular basis; these are listed here.

   The Ancient Earthworks Society Journal:    Publishes a quarterly
newsletter and an annual journal since 1988.  The AES is devoted to the
mapping, study, and preservation of Indian Mounds and related landscape
features including archival research and cataloging site reports, primarily
in the Wisconsin and upper Midwest area.  AES is interested in the trade and
cultural relationships between the upper Great Lakes and the
Mississippi-Southwest-Mexico area and in pre-Columbian contact with Eurasia.
Membership in AES is $20.00 per year from P.O. Box 1125, Madison, WI 53701.
Back issues are available.

   The Early Sites Research Society Bulletin:    Published annually since
1973 by James P. Whittall, II, containing site reports, excavation and
research articles, numerous photographs and engineering plans of ancient
cities in North America, the British Isles, and elsewhere, by a variety of
authors.  Membership of $20.00 annually includes bimonthly newsletters and
special monographs.  Contact Early Sites Research Society at Long Hill,
Rowley, MA, 01969.  Back issues are available.

   Epigraphic Society Occasional Papers:    Published annually since 1972
(buit not since 1994) under various editors, ESOP is collection of short and
long articles, mostly in English, on various aspects of pre-Columbian
history, by established authors.  ESOP will publish pro and con discussions
frequently and gives reviews, multi-part series articles and serious
commentary.  The prices for each year vary; write to The Epigraphic Society,
8216 Labbe Lane, Vienna, VA 22182.  Back issues are available.

   The Gungywamp Society Newsletter:     A quarterly publication of 10 to 12
pages, by editor David P. Barron, containing editorials, book reviews,
special articles by guest contributors, membership information, excavation
reports, new discoveries, essays and short monographs.  Membership is $8.00
for an individual; $12.00 for a couple.  Write to the society at 334 Brook
Street, Noank, CT 06340.

   The ISAC Report:    Published every 2 months by Institute for the Study of
American Cultures, Inc., P.O. Box 1658, Columbus, GA, 31902, Dr. Joseph B.
Mahan, President.  Membership in ISAC is $30.00 per year. The report is a
short 4 pages and centers on ISAC activities, including their influential
annual conference in Columbus, Georgia, and the ISAC Research center in
Columbus.  Back issues available.  Phone 706-571-2102.

   Mammoth Trumpet:    Published quarterly by Center for the Study of the
First Americans, Department of Anthropology, Oregon State University,
Corvallis, OR 97331.  Eight pages per issue, this publication is newspaper
sized in format and contains a few lengthy articles in each issue on a
current topic, often in dispute by professionals, as well as some shorter
contributions.  Suggested readings and short notes are all on recent
publications/events.  Subscription is $15.00 per year; back issues are
available.

   NEARA Journal:    A 2 volumes a year publication by the New England
Antiquities Research Association edited by Katherine Stannard.  Write
Suzanne Carlson, 2 Oxford Place, Worcester MA 01609 for membershipin NEARA
at $ 20.00 per year.  Contains articles on archaeology concentrating mainly
on pre-Columbian America in New England and Canada; also discusses the pros
and cons of diffusion and has some short notes. Subscription is by
membership in NEARA.  Back issues are available.

   NEARA Transit:    A quarterly publication by the New England Antiquities
Research Association edited by Cecilia Carroll, 182 Pleasant Street, Paxton,
MA 01612.  Contains New England and Canadian news, book reviews, meeting
notices, field trips, and current news.  Subscription is by membership in
NEARA.

   Science Frontiers:    Published six times a year by The Sourcebook
Project, P. O. Box 107, Glen Arm, MD 21057 for $7.00 a year.  Also have
catalogs of books for sale (buy books, get the Science Frontiers free.) A
digest of scientific anomalies found in current literature.  Subjects
covered include archeology, astronomy, biology, geophysics, and physics, all
in a no nonsense approach.  Back issues are available.

   Also Worth Reading    Several popular magazines availaible on most
newsstands cover recent archaeological discoveries.  Included are Scientific
American and Discover.  Several newspapers, particulary the Tuesday New York
Times Science Section, cover current news items, often in detail.

Monographs    Some important discussions and developments have been
published in booklet or monograph form.  They are generally very inexpensive
and well worth having.

   All That Remains:    Written by Mr. Robert W. Pyle, published in 1991 by
Archaeological Archives, Inc., 1964 Negley Ave., Morgantown, WV, 26505,
$15.00.  Documents the archaeology of ancient America in West Virginia with
80 pages of text and over 150 photos.  The author is an experienced
archaeologist who was partly sponsored by West Virginia for this book.  He
covers the Celtic inscriptions in the state, very odd finds including
inscribed stones and other artifacts as well as American Indian artifacts.

   The Newark Holy Stones - The History of An Archaeological Tragedy:
Written by Dr. Robert W. Alrutz of Denison University and available from the
Johnson-Humrickhouse Museum, 300 N. Whitewoman Street, Roscoe Village,
Coshocton, Ohio 43812, $4.00 plus $1.25 shipping.  This is a 57 page
booklet, including an appendix and bibliography.  The Newark Holy Stones
were five artifacts of apparent Hebrew origin found during the period 1860
to 1867.  Only two stones survive one of which has a rendition of the Ten
Command ments in Hebrew, using an odd alphabet.  This stone may be viewed by
request at the museum.

   Stonehenge Viewpoint:    Edited by Donald L. Cyr, available from
Stonehenge Viewpoint, 2261 Las Positas Road, Santa Barbara, CA 93105-4116.
Bound issues of this former newsletter are available; write the publisher
for titles and availability.  The series was discontinued in favor of
monographs; see Cyr below.

   Proto-Tifinagh and Proto-Ogham in the Americas:    Published in The Review
of Archaeology (ROA), in Vol. 11 No. 1, Spring 1990.  The ROA, which is
issued twice a year, is a collection of articles reviewing multiple books or
studies, not always on American archaeology, by established experts in their
fields.  The cited article was by Dr. David H. Kelley on epigraphy, Fell,
Totten, Farley, etc.  Subscription rates are $15.00 per year from ROA, 10
Liberty Street, Salem, MA  01970.  Back issues are available.

   Spirits on Stone - The Agawa Pictographs:    Written by Thor and Julie
Conway.  Available from Heritage Discoveries, Suite 108, 763 B Foothill
Blvd., San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 for $8.95 plus $1.25 shipping. This is an
87 page booklet dealing with the 117 Indian pictographs to be seen on rocks
at Agawa Bay, Lake Superior, on the northeast shore in the Canadian
Provincial Park.  The authors live in northern Ontario where they study
local archaeological site and guide visitors to them.  These pictographs are
by the Ojibway tribe. What the Indians say about them is explained and other
questions are answered.

   Timeless Threads in the Fabric of Cuna Indian Culture:    Written in 1988
by the late Dr. Clyde E. Keeler, Professor of Biology Emeritus, Georgia
College, Milledgeville, GA based on his 22 trips to the Cuna Indians of the
San Blas Islands in Panama over 25 years.  The author was a Harvard Univ. MD
and PhD. Available from ISAC (see page 1).  This 65-page self published book
shows the amazing connections of the Cuna Indians with ancient Sumerian
(4,000 B.C.) and Egyptian religion, culture and language.

   WRIT ON ROCKE  -  Has America's First Murder Mystery Been Solved?    By
Boyden Sparkes in the April 26, 1941 issue of The Saturday Evening Post, 9
pages of text and 5 pages of photos.  Concerns a series of fake stones
purporting to reveal the fate of the Lost Colony of Roanoke, Virginia in
1590.  The fakes were pronounced real by over 30 scholars, including Dr.
Samuel Elliot Morison of Harvard, president of the American Antiquarian
Society and a noted biographer of Columbus, until an enterprising reporter
for the SEP exposed the fakers and their methods.

Book Sellers    Write to the sources below for current catalogues.

   Arcturus Books, 1443 S.E Port St. Lucie Boulevard, Port St. Lucie, FL.
Send a SASE for a catalogue of his
   stock; there are books and videos on prehistory, Fortean phenomena, etc.
Mr. Bob Girard is President.

   Adventures Unlimited Press, P. O. Box 22, Stelle, IL 60919-9989     Write
for their 24 page catalogue.
   Contents are on archeaology, UFO's, Ancient Science and more; also
features World Explorers Club trips.

   The Bookstore At America's Stonehenge, P. O. Box 84, North Salem, New
Hampshire, 03073
   Catalogue is available; 30-40 titles; several videos; Kids Korner has
children's archaeology

   Early Sites Research Society, P. O. Box 303, Sutton, MA  01590    Several
of their own publications.

   The ISAC Press, P. O. Box 1658, Columbus, GA 31902    A growing list of
pubications related to
   the Institute For The Study of American Culture; write for details.

   The Sourcebook Project, P. O. Box 107, Glen Arm, MD 21057    Catalogue is
available with over 100 titles.

   Stonehenge Viewpoint, 2261 Las Positas, Santa Barbara, CA 93105-4116
Catalogue has over 100 titles.

   Superior Heartland, Inc. 221 Lakewood Lane, Marquette, MI 49885   Several
titles.

Books    The books listed here are in alphabetical order by the author's
last name.  While some are now out of print, they may be available at
appropriate events such as a NEARA or ISAC conference.  Some books have had
several editions.  Where possible, ordering information is provided.
Readers can often get a copy from a local college or public library or
interlibrary loan if the book is out of print.

   Barreto, Mascarenhas  "The Portuguese Columbus, Secret Agent of King John
II"   Hardback, 1992, 540 pages including photos and illustrations,
available at bookstores from St. Martin's Press, $35.00. Written by a
lecturer at Lisbon university, the author discusses the evidence for
Columbus being in the service of Portugal even while sailing for Spain.  He
attempts to identify and answer many of the puzzles in the life of Columbus
such as religion, native language, correct name, family history, and
pre-Columbian discoveries.

   Barron, David and Mason, Sharon   "The Greater Gungywamp"   Softback,
1992, 60 pages including photos and illustrations, $12.00 from David Barron,
334 Brook Street, Noank, CT 06340.  Written by long time investigators of
the Gungywamp complex in North Groton, CT., this book documents an enigmatic
300 acre site of stone ruins, standing stones, stone chambers, early
Christian carvings, and a grinding mill dated to 500 -600 AD.  This second
edition discusses a newly discovered archaeoastronomy of Vernal Equinoctial
sunset in the largest extant stone chamber through an illumination vent channel.

   Burrows, Russell and Rydholm, Fred  "The Mystery Cave of Many Faces"
Hardback, 1992, 290 pages including photos and illustrations, available from
Superior Heartland, Inc. 221 Lakewood Lane, Marquette, MI 49885, $24.00 plus
$2.00 shipping.  Written by the Burrows Cave discoverer, with
extensivecontributions by Fred Rydholm and Virginia Hourigan, this book is a
history over the last 10 years of the Burrow's cave and its contents.  The
cave is considered fraudulent by many and a sensational find by others.

   Burrows, Russell and Scherz, James (Ph.D.)  "Rock Art Pieces from Burrows'
Cave"   Paperback, 1992, 322 pages including nearly 200 pages with photos
and illustrations, available from Superior Heartland, Inc. 221 Lakewood
Lane, Marquette, MI 49885, $24.00 plus $2.00 shipping.  Written by the
Burrows Cave discoverer, with extensive contributions by James Scherz and
Buck Trawicky, this book provides many details of artifacts found in the
cave, the authors' explanation of the sources of some artifacts (India and
Tibet), and more information on the cave to compliment "The Mystery Cave of
Many Faces".

   Chapman, Paul H.  "The Man Who Led Columbus To America"   Hardback, 1973,
202 pages, Judson Press, Atlanta, Ga., out of print.  The author provides an
English translation from Latin of St. Brendan's voyage to America about 560
AD.  Many sections of the translation have a commentary and the author
explains the navigational methods used in much detail.  Some useful
historical notes are included. Bibliography, index, many black and white
drawings, charts and photos.

   Chapman, Paul H.  "Discovering Columbus"   Hardback, 1992, 260 pages,
available from the ISAC Press, P. O. Box 1658, Columbus, GA 31902, $19.95
plus $3.00 shipping.  Written by an experienced navigator, this book
explains how a discovery voyage could be done by men of Columbus's time.
The questions Where did he land?, Was Columbus a Jew? and other contested
issues are addressed.  The author writes about many issues of navigation,
concentrating on issues a New World explorer needed to know.

   Chapman, Paul H.  "Christopher Columbus, The Man"   Hardback, 1992, 100
pages, available from the ISAC Press, P. O. Box 1658, Columbus, GA 31902,
$13.95 plus $2.00 shipping.  A simplified version of Discovering Columbus
with fewer footnotes and less technical information than the thicker volume
and aimed a general audience, such as school students.

   Childress, David Hatcher  "Lost Cities & Ancient Mysteries of South
America"   Paperback, 1992, 375 pages, $12.95 plus $1.50 shipping,
Adventures Unlimited Press, P.O. Box 22, Stelle, IL 60919-9989  The author
describes stone cities high in mountain forests, sunken ruins in Lake
Titicaca, mysterious tunnels systems, lost civilizations, possible ancient
visitors, and other oddities.  Countries involved include Peru, Equador,
Boliva, Chile, Brazil, etc.  There are 100 maps, prints and illistrations.

   Childress, David Hatcher  "Lost Cities of North & Central America"
Paperback, 1992, 416 pages, $14.95 plus $1.50 shipping, Adventures Unlimited
Press, P.O. Box 22, Stelle, IL 60919-9989  A book describing the world-wide
mysteries of the past.  Topics include a sunken city in Guatemala, Sumerians
in Nicaragua, secret Mayan cities in Mexico, tunnel systems in Arizona,
pyramids in Illinois and sunken structures in Wisconsin.  Written by a
sophisticated writer who has visited the sites.  With illustrations.

   Corliss, William R.  "Ancient Man; A Handbook of Puzzling Artifacts"
Hardback, 1978, 792 pages, available from The Sourcebook Project, P. O. Box
107, Glen Arm, MD 21057, $19.95 plus $1.00 shipping.  A compilation of
world-wide puzzles, including ancient Florida canals, New England sites,
ancient coins in America, huge spheres in Costa Rica, the Great Wall of Peru
and many, many more.

   Covey, Cyclone (Ph.D.)  "The Implausible Union of Ankh & Thunderbird"
Hardback and softback, 19 pages, 1992, available from ISAC, P. O. Box 1658,
Columbus, GA. 31902.  Dr. Covey analyses the connections of the Yuchi
Indians with ancient peoples of Europe, Asia, and Africa and the kinship of
the Yuchi sun and moon religion with religions of Egypt, Persia, the Indus
Valley of Pakistan and India, and central Asia.  Bibliography.  Bound as a
appendix to Dr. Mahans's "North American Sun Kings".

   Covey, Cyclone (Ph.D.)  "The Yuchi/Yuki Nonplus"    Softback, 100 pages,
1993, available from ISAC, P. O. Box 1658, Columbus, GA. 31902, $12.50 plus
$2.00 shipping.  Dr. Covey analyses the linguistic connection of the Yuchi
Indians and the Yuki Indians of California.  He strongly suggests a more
comprehensive examination is needed of a trans-oceanic relationships in
ancient and Medieval times.

   Cremo, Michael A. & Thompson, Richard L. (Ph.D.), "Forbidden Archaeology"
Hardback, 914 pages, 1993, published by Govardhan Hill, Inc. P.O. Box
52-200, Badger, CA 93603.  $39.95 plus $4.00 forshipping.  An exhaustive
study by two professional men (mathematician and writer/editor) of
archaeological evidence yielding the conclusion that Homo Sapiens has been
on earth for millions of years, contrary to almost all other studies and
contrary to Darwinian evolution.  The authors carefully present their case
by case examination of many original reports in light of current assumptions
and science.  References, photos.

   Cyr, Donald L. (editor)  "Dragon Treasures"    Paperback, 112 pages, 1989,
published by Stonehenge Viewpoint, 2261 Las Positas Road, Santa Barbara, CA
93105.  $8.00 plus $1.00 for shipping.  A discussion by various authors of
the Chinese visits in pre-Columbian America as evidenced by maps and
classical Chinese writings, principally from the Shan Hai Jing (Mountain-Sea
Classic) perhaps about 2,000 B.C.  Many photos, illustrations; thorough list
of references.  Printed in 8½ by 11 inch format.

   Cyr, Donald L. (editor)  "The Diffusion Issue"    Paperback, 112 pages,
1991, published by Stonehenge Viewpoint, 2261 Las Positas Road, Santa
Barbara, CA 93105.  $8.00 plus $1.00 for shipping.  A discussion by various
authors of the diffusion issue including "New World Domesticates in the Old
World" by Dr. Gunnar Thompson, "Precolumbian Transoceanic Contacts" by Dr.
Stephen Jett, "Chinese Ancient World Mapping" by James Brett and Donald Cyr,
and several contributions by Dr. George Carter.  Many photos, illustrations;
thorough list of references.  Printed in 8½ by 11 inch format.

   Cyr, Donald L. (editor)  "Exploring Rock Art"  Paperback, 128 pages, 1989,
published by Stonehenge Viewpoint, 2261 Las Positas Road, Santa Barbara, CA
93105.  $8.00 plus $1.00 for shipping.  Covers rock art and many
ramifications.  Many short articles from the Fifteenth Annual Symposium of
the American Rock Art Research Association in 1988; articles on the heavily
debated Ogam writing issue.  The book contains responses to other articles.
Many photos, illustrations; thorough list of references.  8½ by 11 inch format.

   Day, J. S. et al.  "Rock Art of the Western Canyons"    Paperback, 191
pages, 1989, $10.95 plus $1.00 shipping, available from Sourcebook Project,
P. O. Box 107, Glen Arm, MD 21057.  Well-illustrated by photos and drawings,
here is a fine tour of some western U.S. rock art sites.  There are four
articles on the ogham writing controversy and one on astronomical
interpretations of rock art.  The contributors show that mere Indian
drawings is an insufficient explanation for some of the rock art.

   Deal, David  "Discovery of Ancient America"    Paperback, 136 pages, 1992
(second edition), published by the author at 1651 Monte Vista Drive, Vista,
CA 92084.  $12.00 plus $2.00 for shipping.  Provides a thorough discussion
of the Los Lunas stone with the 10 commandments in paleo-Hebrew located in
New Mexico and other Semitic stones such as the Braxton tablet, the Grave
Creek tablet, and the Newark Ohio stones.  Also discusses Aztlan and the
legend of Atlantis.  Six appendices, many photos and illustrations.

   Deal, David  "The Nexus: Spoken Language Connection Between the Mayan and
Semitic During Precolumbian Times"    Hardback, 130 pages, 1993, published
by ISAC Press, P.O. Box 1658, Columbus GA, 31902.  $24.00 plus $3.00 for
shipping.  The author's analysis of the Popul Vuh, the scared history book
of the Maya, is that it was from Hebrew but not recognised as such because
of its concealment in the Mayan form. This conclusion is from the original
documents and their oral transcription written by the Spanish of the 16th
century, aided by Mayan priests.  He identifies the Mayan leader Kukulcan
with Moses.

   De Madariaga, Salvador  "Christopher Columbus"    Hardback, 500 pages,
1940, The MacMillan Company, NY (out of print), subtitled "Being the Life of
The Very Magnificent Lord Don Cristóbal Colón". The author was Spain's
Ambassador to France, England and the League of Nations.  The text is
English with copious Spanish notes.  In an easy to read style, the author
defends his position that Colón was a Spanish Jew, covers all of Colón's
life and how the America's were found.  Many side issues are deeply explored
and much of the text is direct quotes from original sources.  Pro and cons
of many topics are professionally presented.

   Dexter, Warren W., "Ogam Consaine and Tifinag Alphabets  -  Ancient Uses"
Paperback, 1984, 68 pages, out of print; contact the author at 4 Avenue B,
Rutland, VT 05710.  The author is a photographer and historic researcher who
has collected over 28,000 pictures on 6 continents.  This small book
explains the very old Ogam alphabet and its associate alphabet, Tifinag.
Uses of these alphabets have been found in the US, Canada, Egypt, Italy and
other places.  Fifty illustrations and photographs; bibliography and index.

   Etzenhouser, Rudolf  "Engravings of Pre-historic Specimens from Michigan,
U.S.A."    Hardback, 1910, available from ISAC Press.  The author was a
Bishop in the Reorganized Church of Latter-Day Saints who had access to the
stone, clay and copper plates found in the Detroit area.  The author felt
the artifacts were genuine while most investigators felt they were fakes.
The plates show, among other things, pictures of what appears to be Noah's
flood.  See also Mertz, The Mystic Symbol and ESOP, Vol 17, 1988, pp. 278 - 318.

   Farley, Gloria  "In Plain Sight: Old World Records In Ancient America"
Hardback, 450 pages, 1993, $42.50 includes shipping, ISAC Press, P.O. Box
1658, Columbus, GA  31902  An enclycopediac work by a researcher who, for 45
years, has found hundreds of inscriptions on stone and shell from at least
18 ancient Old World scripts and iconography.  Heavener (Oklahoma) Rune
stone and other runes, Phoenician sea goddess Tanith, Ogam writing, ancient
boundary markers, etc.  Illustrated with bibliography.

   Feder, Kenneth L. (Ph.D.)  "Frauds, Myths, and Mysteries"    Paperback,
232 pages, 1990, Mayfield Publishing Company.  Available in bookstores.
The author is a professor of archaeology at Central Connecticut State
University.  The book is subtitled "Science and Pseudoscience in
Archaeology" and debunks cult archaeology by which the author means
Altantis, ancient astronauts (von Däniken), America B.C. (Barry Fell),
psychics, scientific creationism, and other topics.  Each chapter concludes
with a "current perspectives" section giving the correct (as Feder sees it)
analysis of the topic at hand.  Photos and illustrations.

   Fell, Barry (Howard Barraclough)  "America B.C."    Paperback, 348 pages,
1976, Second Edition 1989, Simon & Shuster, Inc.  Available in bookstores.
The author was an Englishman, retired PhD. in Comparative Zoology from
Harvard University.  The book was originally written to commemorate
America's 1976 Bicentennial.  Its great popularity led to a second edition.
Contains a vast amount of detail on pre-Columbian visits to America from
5500 B.C. to 1450 A.D.  Many notes, photos, diagrams and references.

   Fell, Barry (Ph.D.) "Saga America"    Hardback, 425 pages, 1980, Times
Books, a division of Quadrangle Books.  Out of Print.  The successor to
"America B.C.", this book contains details on such subjects as Hebrew
inscriptions, Carthaginians, Celts and Irish monks in America; reviews
American Indian connections with Old World languages, and discusses Norse
visitors and settlers.  Contains supporting information from other
investigators and has many photos and diagrams.

   Fell, Barry (Ph.D.) "Bronze Age America"    Hardback, 304 pages, 1982,
Little, Brown books.  Out of Print.  The third of Dr. Fell's works, this
book contains details on such subjects as the Tifinag script at Petersboro,
Ontario as showing visits by Bronze Age Scandinavians, similarities between
religious symbols of Portugal and North America, details on relations
between Old World languages and American Indian languages, and more.  Photos
and diagrams.

   Fingerhut, Eugene R. "Who First Discovered America?"    Hardback, 290
pages, 1990, Regina Books, Claremont, CA.  The author is a professor at
California State University, Los Angeles.  He discusses, from the academic
point of view, claims of discovery of the Americas by accident or deliberate
actions in the millennium before Columbus.  Many references and citations,
almost all from scholarly journals.

   Fingerhut, Eugene R. "Explorers of Pre-Columbian America?"    Hardback,
268 pages, 1994, Regina Books, Claremont, CA.  The author continues the
previous book, centering on the diffusionist versus independent inventionist
argument.  He presents a fairly even handed view of both sides, covering in
detail such artifacts as the Kensington Rune stone, people such as Barry
Fell, and explorers such as the Vikings.  He also has a good deal of general
material.  Many references and citations, almost all from scholarly journals.

   Gordon, Cyrus H. (Ph.D.) "Before Columbus: Links Between the Old World and
Ancient America"    Hardback, 220 pages, 1971, Crown Publishers.  Out of
Print.  Dr. Gordon has been a noted expert in Semitic studies for over 25
years.  His book presents the evidence for the hypothesis that there was a
Bronze age seafaring culture that diffused Old World culture across the
Atlantic to the American continents during the years 3000 B.C. to 1200 B.C.
Illustrations, bibliography, index.

   Harrison, Mary Roberts and Mallery, Arlington H.  "The Rediscovery of Lost
America"   Paperback, 270 pages, 1979, E.P. Dutton Company.  Available from
Sourcebook Project and from ISAC (see booksellers), $8.95 plus $2.00
shipping.  A 30-year later improved update of Mallery's "Lost America"
(q.v.)with new chapters and extensive revisions.  Its main thesis is that
the Iroquois tribes were heavily influenced by the Viking civilization.
Pre-Columbian maps such as the Zeno map and the Piri Re'is map are discussed.

   Heyerdahl, Thor  "The Ra Expeditions"    Paperback, 1972, Signet Books,
available in book stores.  The Ra expeditions proved that a sea link between
the civilization of ancient Egypt and the Americas was possible by leaving
the west coast of Africa from Morocco and sailing the Atlantic ocean in a
reed boat to  South America.  The Ra I and Ra II ship designs were based on
Egyptian paintings of 2,000 B.C. using the same materials, ropes and papyrus
logs and leaves.

   Joseph, Frank  "The Lost Pyramids of Rock Lake"    Paperback, 212 pages,
1992, Order from Galde Press, Inc., P.O. Box 65611, St. Paul, MN 55165,
$15.95 (includes shipping)  A discussion of the author's successes in scuba
diving for an underwater archaeological discovery in the small Wisconsin
lake named Rock Lake.  The book details the attempts to explain the ancient
sky-oriented religion that erected structures on land and in the water as
sophisticated astronomical observatories.  Black and white photos and
illustrations are included.

   Kelley, E. Morgan (Ph.D.)  "The Metaphorical Basis of Language"
Hardback, 1992, The Edwin Mellen Press, 376 pages, $75.00.  Dr. Kelley is a
professor of Linguistics at the College of William and Mary in Virginia.
His book is a collection of densely written articles, concentrating on
American Indian languages and written evidence for pre-Columbian visitors;
also Nostratics and Indo-Europeans.  Contains a chapter in French and one in
German.  Many tables and charts are included; about 1/3 of the book is
footnotes.

   Lenzen, Donald L.  "Ancient Metrology"    Hardback, 104 pages, 1989, Order
from Donald L. Lenten, P.O. Box 2372, Tampa, FL 33601  Cost $14.95 includes
shipping.  This book is the result of 10 years of research into ancient
weights and measures, spanning the world's great civilizations, and their
continuation into modern times; well organized and illustrated.  The author
believes that all ancient measures evolved from a single standard and he
attempts to pin-point where this standard and civilization itself began.

   Mahan, Joseph B. (Ph.D.)  "North American Sun Kings: Keepers of the Flame"
Hardback and softback, 168 pages, 1992, $34.00 (incl. shipping), available
from ISAC, P. O. Box 1658, Columbus, GA. 31902. Dr. Mahan presents a careful
study of the Yuchi Indians and its subsidiary branches which once governed,
before Columbus, diverse peoples who occupied North America south of the
Great Lakes from the Mississippi Valley to the Allegheny Mountains.  Many
photographs; a bibliography.  Bound with Dr. Covey's "The Implausible Union
of Ankh & Thunderbird".

   Mahan, Joseph B. (Ph.D.)  "The Secret: America in World History Before
Columbus"    Hardback, 247 pages, 1983, $25.90 (incl. shipping), now out of
print and a second edition is planned by ISAC (see booksellers).  Dr. Mahan
spent many years investigating the Yuchi Indians and using the traditional
history of the tribe, the author identifies this tribe and other North
American tribes with an ancient worldwide Bronze Age civilization which
included the Middle East, Egypt and the Indus Valley of Pakistan.  The book
also covers other pre-Columbian data, such as the Bat Creek Hebrew stone.
Many photographs; a bibliography.

   Mallery, Arlington H.  "Lost America"    Hardback, 238 pages, 1951,
Overlook Company (Out of print) but available from ISAC, $28.00.
Introduction by Matthew W. Stirling, Director of the Bureau of American
Ethnology, Smithsonian Institution.  Most of the book is a solid defense of
the idea that the Iroquois tribes were heavily influenced by Viking
civilization, including Mr. Mallery's own extensive investigations.
Numerous photos, illustrations and tables.  (See also Harrison, "The
Rediscovery of Lost America")

   Mavor, J. W. Jr, and Dix, Byron E.  "Manitou"    Softback, 398 pages,
1989, $16.95, available from Sourcebook Project, P.O. Box 107, Glen Arm MD
21057.  Not aimed at the theme of European visitors before Columbus, this
book concentrates New England old stone and earthen structures.  Many were
build by Indians and show not merely religious use, but also astronomical
and hence calendar use.  The authors are convinced that native Americans are
still building and using prayer sites in remote areas.

   McGlone, William R. and Leonard, Phillip M.  "Ancient Celtic America"
Hardback, 319 pages, 1986, Panorama West Books, 202 N. Gateway, Suite 102
Fresno CA, 93727.  The authors feel that it is impossible to escape the
conclusion that the many epigraphic sites they personally inspected in
Western states,such as Colorado, are in some way connected to Old World
visitors.  They also present a good discussion of the epigraphic
controversy, citing writers on both sides.

   Mertz, Henriette  "The Mystic Symbol, Mark of the Michigan Mound Builders"
Hardback, 1980, available from The Bookstore at America's Stonehenge, P.O.
Box 84, North Salem, NH 03073 for $22.95 plus $2.50.  Dr. Mertz, a lawyer,
was asked to investigate the Soper plates found in many sites in Michigan
and concluded that there were not frauds from the late 19th and early 20th
centuries, as claimed by most, but genuine relics of a lost civilization.
Photos and illustrations.

   Mertz, Henriette  "Pale Ink"    Hardback, 175 pages, 1953, out of print
but available from Stonehenge Viewpoint, 2261 Las Positas Road, Santa
Barbara, CA 93105-4116 for $16.00, postpaid.  Dr. Mertz identifies
Kukukan/Quetxalcoatl, high god and founded of the Aztec and Mayan
civilizations, with a Buddhist missionary from China who came to the
Americas in the 5th century AD.  She also provided evidence that Chinese
exploration of North and Central America began at least 4,000 years ago.  43
photos, 4 maps.

   Mertz, Henriette  "Wine Dark Sea"    Hardback, 1970, available from The
Bookstore at America's Stonehenge, P.O. Box 84, North Salem, NH 03073 for
$25.95 plus $2.50.  Dr. Mertz investigates the claims that pre-historic
Greeks sailed the Atlantic Ocean and visited North America, concluding that
they did do so and that they and others did so many times.

   Moran, Hugh A. and Kelley, David H. (Ph.D.'s) "The Alphabet and the
Ancient Calendar Signs"   Paperback, 1969 (second edition), out of print.
The late Dr. Moran and Dr. Kelley, both linguists (Dr. Kelley is an
important Maya expert), trace the origins of the alphabet back to the signs
of lunar and solar zodiacs and use Chinese, Hebrew, Hindu, Mesoamerican and
other comparisons.  Numerous illustrations.

   Morison, Samuel Eliot, Ph.D.  "Admiral of the Ocean Sea"    Hardback,
1942, available in modern (e.g., 1993) editions, 700 pages.  The late Dr.
Morison won the 1943 Pulitzer Prize for this famous biography of Christopher
Columbus.  Dr. Morison was a Harvard professor who book became the primary
source for information on Columbus.  Morison emphasized that Columbus made
three crucial discoveries, the way over, the way back, and the discovery of
the two continents.  Some editions are illustrations.

   Mowat, Farley "WestViking, The Ancient Norse in Greenland & North America"
Paperback, 614 pages, 1990, McClelland & Stewart Inc., 481 University Ave.,
Toronto, Ontario M5G 2E9, $8.95 (Canadian)  Mr. Farley has been writing on
Canadian outdoor affairs for 40 years.  This book recounts what is known of
the Norse voyages from their settlement in Greenland in the 10th century
A.D. to the colonization of Newfoundland several centuries later.  With 25
maps and 16 appendices, Mr. Farley includes Celtic voyages, geophysical
evidence and a thorough description of his sources.

   Olson, Dana  "Prince Madoc: Founder of Clark Country, Indiana"
Paperback, 128 pages, 1987, self-published, write to 3015 Utica Pike,
Jefferson, Indiana, 47130, $16.95 (incl. shipping).  Mr. Dana Olson has
worked for many years to uncover data on the mysterious "white Indians"
stating that they are descendants of Madoc of Wales who emigrated to America
in 1170 AD.  Landing around Mobile, Alabama, they sailed up the Ohio river
and settled for several years until almost all were eliminated by native
Indians in a battle near Charlestown, Indiana.  Possible artifacts left
include a stone castle on the Ohio river.

   Patterson-Rudolph, Carol  "Petroglyphs & Pueblo Myths of the Rio Grande"
Paperback, 260 pages, 1991, Avanyu Publishers, available from Urraco
Productions Inc., 481 University Ave., Toronto, Ontario M5G 2E9, $24.95 +
2.50 shipping.  The author compares Pueblo Indian myths with 14th century
petroglyphs found along the Rio Grande and demonstrates that the petroglyphs
and myths and directly related.  There are 12 color plates and black & white
diagrams and charts.

   Pohl, Frederick J.  "Atlantic Crossings Before Columbus"    Hardback, 293
pages, 1961, W. W. Norton and Co., Inc., out of print.  The author, who died
in 1991 at 101 years old, was an investigator of history and diffusionism,
using materials he found in Europe and many American sites.  This book
discusses the Henry Sinclair expeditions from England to America about 1400
A.D., Viking expeditions to Cape Cod and other Atlantic crossings before
Columbus.  Bibliography, notes, index.

   Pohl, Frederick J.  "The Viking Explorers"    Hardback, 178 pages, 1966,
Thomas Y. Crowell Co., out of print.  The author discusses the history of
the dispute on whether there were Viking in America concluding that they did
indeed visit Northern Newfoundland and other sites.  He attempts to locate
Vineland and give a chronology of the Viking voyages.  His sources include
Viking maps of the 15th century, the Viking sagas, and 1960's explorations
in Newfoundland.  Bibliography, appendices, acknowledgements, index.

   Sodders, Betty  "Michigan Prehistory Mysteries"    Paperback, 262 pages,
1990, Avery Color Studios, Star Route - Box 275, Au Train, Michigan, 49806,
$8.95 + $3.00 shipping.  Mrs. Sodders is a long-time student of the outdoors
and wildlife who could not resist investigating the baffling "copper culture
people" of the Keweenaw area of the Upper Peninsula area in Michigan.  She
also discusses ancient writings and stones found on Beaver Island and other
discoveries, often reprinting the original reports of 100 or more years ago.

   Sodders, Betty  "Michigan Prehistory Mysteries II"    Paperback, 262
pages, 1991, Avery Color Studios, Star Route - Box 275, Au Train, Michigan,
49806, $10.95 + $3.00 shipping.  Mrs. Sodders's first book immediately
demanded a second book with almost all new information and contributions
from several investigators.  MPM - II discusses artifact dating methods, the
copper tablets in Michigan (Egyptian in origin?), Vikings in the state and
many other topics.

   Stewart, Ethel G.  "The Dene and Na-Dene Indian Migration 1233 A.D."
Hardback, 565 pages, 1991, available from the ISAC Press, P.O. Box 1658,
Columbus GA, 31902, $41.00 (incl. shipping).  Miss Stewart's book is
subtitled "Escape from Genghis Khan to America" and discusses the Asian and
North American sources for data on the multi-ethnic groups of the Hsi-Hsia
army of 1227 A.D. and the North American Dene people now called the
Athapaskan which includes Apache and Navajo.  The refugees arrived in 1233
AD by boat from China to Alaska and British Columbia, the author finds.

   Story, Ronald  "The Space Gods Revealed"    Hardback, 140 pages, 1976, out
of print.  Mr. Story gives an examination of the theories of Erich von
Däniken (EVD) and shows how many EVD claims are easily seen to be unsound.
While the book, which is now over 15 years old, deals only with EVD's
claims.  It is a brief but cogent summary of correct analysis of such topics
as the Piri Re'is map, the Nazca Plain in Peru, Easter Island,
extraterrestrials, Bible stories, UFOs and more.  Index, many notes, and 43
illustrations.

   Stubbs, Brian  "A Creolized Base in Uto-Aztecan"    Paperback, 130 pages,
1988, available from the author at the College of Eastern Utah-San Juan
Campus, Blanding, Utah, 84511, $18.00 (incl. shipping).  Mr. Stubbs holds an
M.A. in linguistics, and is near a Ph.D., from the University of Utah.  The
author presents an excellent case that Uto-Aztecan (such Indian languages as
Comanche, Hopi, Aztec and over a dozen others) is a branch of West Semitic.
He uses over 600 lexical comparisons, many regular correspondences in vowels
and consonants, pronouns, plurals, verb forms, word roots and other data.

   Tanner, Jerald and Tanner, Sandra  "Archaeology and The Book of Mormon"
Paperback, 92 pages, 1969, Utah Lighthouse Ministry, P.O. Box 1884, Salt
Lake City, Utah, 84110-1884  $3.00 plus $1.50 shipping.  Written by two
noted former Mormons, this book debunks the Book of Mormon in light of
archaeological findings in America such as The Bat Creek inscription, Jewish
coins in America, the Paraiba text, the Kinderhook plates, the Newark
Stones, problems in the Book of Mormon geography, and much more.

   Thompson, Gunnar (Ph.D.)  "American Discovery"    Paperback, 400 pages,
1992, The Argonauts, 4739 University Way NE, Suite 1618, Seattle, WA 98105
$17.95 (includes shipping).  Dr. Thompson holds a Ph.D. in Psychology and a
MA in Anthropology.  His book covers evidence for all major pre-Columbian
voyages and evidence of their influence on native civilization, plant
diffusion before Columbus, Old World art in America, ancient maps of America
and many more subjects.  Very well illustrated.  Index, bibliography.

   Thompson, Gunnar (Ph.D.)  "Nu Sun"    Hardback, 240 pages, 1990, The
Argonauts, 4739 University Way NE, Suite 1618, Seattle, WA 98105  $24.95
(includes shipping).  Dr. Thompson tells the story of ancient Chinese
voyages to North America and their colonial settlements.  Similarities
between ancient Asian sculptures, pyramids, and temples and those of ancient
Meso-America are explored in detail; Taoist and Mayan connections are
explained.  More than 500 illustrations of artifacts, index, bibliography.

   Van Sertima, Ivan (Ph.D.)  "African Presence in Early America"
Softback, second edition, 1994, from The Journal of African Civilization,
African Studies Department, Beck Hall, Rutgers University, NewBrunswick,
N.J. 08903 $15.00 plus $1.75 postage.  Dr. Van Sertima is a native of Guyana
and educated in England.  His work centers of African voyages to the
Americas; illustrations, index, bibliography.

   Van Sertima, Ivan (Ph.D.)  "They Came Before Columbus"    Softback, 1986,
from The Journal of African Civilization, African Studies Department, Beck
Hall, Rutgers University, New Brunswick, N.J. 08903 $23.00 plus $2.50
postage.  Dr. Van Sertima presents a survey of the evidence for visitors to
the American continents for millenium before Columbus; illustrations of
artifacts, index, bibliography.

   Whittall, James P., Jr. (editor)  "Myth Makers: Epigraphic Illusion in
America"    Paperback, 90 pages, 1990, Early Sites Research Society, P.O.
Box 303, Sutton, MA 01590, $12.00  A serious view of some of the recent
discoveries in American epigraphy, such as Burrows Cave, and their
fraudulent nature.  Some areas are covered in detail, others in a sketchy
manner.  Refers to WRIT ON ROCKE listed in monographs.

   Whittall, James P., Jr. (editor)  "American Epigraphy at the Crossroads"
Paperback, 130 pages, 1991, Early Sites Research Society, P. O. Box 303,
Sutton, MA 01590, $12.00  A successor to Myth Makers, the editor present a
series of essays on epigraphy and many solicited opinions from epigraphers
and their opponents, and well-known authors and other scholars.  The main
theme is that the gap between academia and the American epigraphers needs to
be eliminated not just narrowed for true progress to be made.

   Whittall, James P., Jr. (editor)  "Ancient American Inscriptions: Plow
Marks or History"   Paperback, 430 pages, 1993, Early Sites Research
Society, P. O. Box 303, Sutton MA 01590, $19.95 plus $4.50 shipping.  Five
authors explain their conclusion that a considerable body of epigraphic
material deserves evaluation by specialists.  One part of the book
thoroughly debunks Dr. Barry Fell and his followers.  Topics include 2,000
year old Ogam and Arabian writing, working astronomical alignments, McGlone
and Leonards's (two contributing writers) many Colorado discoveries.
Bibliography of 400 references; nearly 300 photos.

   Williams, Stephen (Ph.D.) "Fantastic Archaeology"    Paperback, 407 pages,
1990, University of Pennsylvania Press, available from book sellers.  Dr.
Williams, a Harvard University professor of Archaeology, covers "the wild
side of North American prehistory", as the subtitle tells us, with much
criticism of Barry Fell, George Carter, Cyclone Covey and certain other
favorite targets.  Dr. Williams also covers Atlantis, the Walam Olum,
psychics, Norse and Celts.  An entertaining book that includes an extensive
bibliography.

   Zink, David (Ph.D.)  "The Stones of Atlantis"    Paperback, 317 pages,
1990, available from Sourcebook Project, P. O. Box 107, Glen Arm, Md. 21057,
$10.95 plus $1.00 shipping.  Dr. Zink and many others have worked for over
20 years to explore the archaeological mysteries of the Caribbean island of
Bimini.  Under the water are enigmatic stones that look like roads of fallen
walls, temples, and statues.  Much speculation is included, especially of
the connection between the Bimini site and Atlantis.

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Dear Dr. Trimm, thanks for your informative message. I am especially
interested in precolumbian diffusion and contacts between the "old world"
and the "new world" as well as Pacific Island and Australia and New
Zealand. I hve read everything I can find on the subject including all of
Heyerdahl's books and Berry Fell's 3 (?) books, "The Vikings of the Sunset"
and many others. I find the subject facinating. Unfortunately I know
knothing of epigraphy (beyond Fell's ideas) but I have read a lot of
archeology and other pertinate work. I think your list sounds fun and
interesting. I will mention it to a couple of friends. Now for more
practical information. Where do I send mail to the group?
Is there a hosted site? Or do we just send e-mails to everyone in the group?
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Vincent Mooney sent this out a few days ago but most of you were not yet on
the list so I am sending it out again:

                 Who Are The Looters?

      Colin Renfrew, in the magazine Archaeology (May/June, 1993), addresses
the topic of collectors and their "looting" of sites for the collections.
Renfrew is the Disney Professor of Archaeology at the University of
Cambridge, England, and is widely known; his views are important.  The same
magazine issue contains remarks by Ricardo Elia of Boston University who
wants to bring about "a change in social attitude whereby collecting is no
longer considered socially acceptable."  While both men are addressing the
collections of archaeological objects from Europe and Asia in the main,
their condemnation of "looting" affects more than just their fields of
archaeology.
      The study of pre-Columbian America suffers because the collections of
finders are not examined and are consigned to destruction by neglect.  These
collections are not made by looting in any ordinary sense; they are made by
men and women who have a knack for finding and preserving ancient artifacts.
Let me start with the Lanks family of Scranton PA. as an example.  Phil
Lanks, the son, is an acquaintance of mine.  He is a hiker, a white water
raft rider, trained in geology, fluent in Spanish, and a member of the
collector group, as was his late father.  In the Scranton area, it is
possible to find old Indian arrow heads in fields and woods, if you know
what to look for.  Mr. Lanks, the father, did this for 40 years.  He also
found, from time to time, peculiar stones with markings on them and holes in
them.  Feeling that such stones meant something, they too were collected and
professional opinions were sought from state archaeologists.  In the end,
all such stones were discarded because the professionals deemed them
worthless.  Phil was quite disturbed to learn, in 1991, that the possibility
of amulet stones was ignored by the professionals.  He knew the stone
markings were not weather or plow marks; they were designed by someone.  But
had this collection been kept intact, for posterity, for comparison to other
collections in nearby New York or New Jersey, or to other parts of
Pennsylvania, early American history might have been forced to take a
different view of visitors here from other continents in the pre-Columbian
age, of Indian customs here, and of the value of collecting by amateurs.
      Then, having established that marked stones could be significant, the
amateur collectors would be asked to leave new finds alone.  The state
employees who do archaeological work would then be able to do a controlled
excavation that is photographed, published, critiqued and so made even more
legitimate.  Perhaps I am wrong, but the Renfrew et al. approach is
condemnatory of the initial actions that must be taken for the beginning of
a new study.  It seems to disallow collecting data (calling it looting) in
such a way (forming a collection) that interested parties can see masses of
evidence in one spot so that immediate comparisons can be made (particularly
of details visible to the naked eye that are hard to photograph), group
photographs can be taken and published, and different generations of people
can continuously review the information. Notebooks of isolated data are
useless in science; an arranged collection of data, with relationships
explored, and further investigations sensibly called for, are what allow any
science to progress.
      The experiences related to me by Robert Pyle of West Virginia, however,
make me think that pre-Columbian explorers have a long, long wait for
acceptance.  Pyle is an archaeologist and has been employed as such by his
native state.  I have been to his home where several large rooms are filled
with oddities that would otherwise no longer exist.  Rather than let it be
destroyed, Pyle bought a life-sized face carved in sandstone; origins
unknown.  He has a palm sized stone with a message (undeciphered as yet) on
both sides. There are other petroglyphs in West Virginia, many in Ogam, but
this small stone is very different.  Pyle has Indian artifacts and many
artifacts that are very likely not native Indian, such as the crosses and
crucifixes. His book All That Remains covers some of these items (available
from Pyle at 1964 Negley Ave, Morgantown, WV, 26505 for $15.00).  Despite
working in archaeology and digging and recording for over 30 years, Pyle
can't get off first base with the professionals; nevertheless, he still
urges everyone to report finds to their state's Department of Culture and
History.  Writing in the state magazine, the state editor, Arnout Hyde, Jr.
has offered rebuttal space to what Pyle has written and received no takers.
      Pyle has noted that many sites are unprotected by the state and even
not listed as archaeological sites despite the obvious need, apparent to any
visitor.  He gets little help from anyone; his finds are too unusual. Why
shouldn't he collect pottery?  Without a collection, how is one to identify
the odd piece with a European or Asiatic theme?  Why shouldn't copper pieces
be collected?  Isn't it now possible to decide if the copper is from
Michigan, a West Virginia site or from Cyprus (the Greek "Copper Island")?
Even lumps of coal can be examined to see if it is from this continent or
from Europe.  Pyle has told me of written archaeological reports that
describe a "windshield survey" in which the archaeologist says he saw
nothing through the windshield of the car as he drove through the site.
Well, maybe such archaeologists are free of the collecting and looting
taints, but also they will make no progress.
      Pyle is a digger and photographer, in part.  But he is also a collector
that amateurs can turn to for assistance, and this has happened many times.
I learned of Pyle by contacting the state office in Charleston and was told
that Pyle had the answers to my questions about Ogam in West Virginia.  Pyle
wants to document everything, no matter how controversial, and he wants
evidence to be acknowledged because someday more information may be
available and answers may be found.  He has reported hoaxes and found their
creators; he has been offered many legitimate items as well; he consults
with the Smithsonian Institute as needs demand. As a collector, not a
looter, Pyle is preserving the past that the professional organizations are
ignoring.  And Pyle has ideas too.  Why not collect the many Indian
skeletons and use a CAT scan on every one to see if all are Asiatic?  Maybe
some will be European or "white Indians" who left crosses and crucifixes and
ogam.
      The roles of an archaeologist are many.  Teaching is important,
publishing equally so.  The study of data and relating it to new data is an
ongoing task.  Archaeologists attend meetings to view and review studies,
theories and to make new acquaintances in other subspecialities.  They
lecture to the general public, write for magazines, both in the popular
press and in professional journals.  They advise legislatures on proper law
making to preserve finds, ask the law makers for money for the state
archaeologist functions, and rush to dig up a site that is being developed
for homes or other buildings before all is bulldozed to oblivion.
Archaeologists prepare displays for the public to view, change the contents
as time passes and/or theories and/or data warrants, and monitor the
public's reactions to their work.  Field work is a part of their life, but
not the main part and often not even a significant part.  There are many
ways in which the amateur and professional can work together.  Individuals
can assemble important data as a hobby or incidental to other occupations
(road building, mining, etc.)  Given good cooperation, rapid advances may
well appear.  But what is the amateur to do when the state or university
people can take a phone call and do no more?  If they can't or won't come to
the site, or state that it's not their specialty, or have their minds made
up about ogam, crucifixes, pottery, amulet stones, and so on, what is the
finder to do?  A simple answer occurs naturally to most people.  Collect
what you can, hold on to it, keep it protected, do not lose it.  Perhaps
someone will come by one day and say, Gee, I wish I had known about this
years ago!  Collectors are not looters; they are preservers, they are doing
the job the professionals are not completing, they are the backbone of the
system.

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Greetings and welcome to the epigraphy list!

This is a new list.  The topics discussed here are:

	 A) Epigraphy
	 B) Decipherment of ancient languages & scripts
	 C) Evidence for precolumbian transoceanic contact
	 D) Cultual diffusionism

We will discuss (for and against) things like:

	 1.  The Bat Creek Stone
	 2.  The Newark Holy Stones
	 3.  The Los Lunas Inscription (Hidden Mountain)
	 4.  The Kensington stone
	 5.  The Newberry Tablet
	 6.  The Michigan Artifacts (The "Mystic Symbol" Artifacts)
	 7.  The Grave Creek Stone
	 8.  The Braxton Tablet
	 9.  The Paraiba Inscription
	 10.  Ogam inscriptions

	 etc.

This topic has had a "cult" following for many years.  Several books have
been publishesd and several Journals have come and gone.  However there has
been little presence on the internet.  There are few websites and (until
now) no listservers (e-mail discusuion groups).  Since almost no internet
networking of people interested in this topic has been done it has been a
slow and painful process to locate interested people on the net for this
discusion group.  This problem has been compounded by the fact that since
such little internet networking of these people has been done, many of them
are not aware of what an listserver is.  This means that many of the people
invited have not responded because they don't understand what they have
been invited to.  In the attempt to reach interested people to network on
this topic I have sent e-mail to:

	 1.  Website operators of related webistes
	 2.  I have searched for e-mail addresses of officers
	     writers and writers to the editor of related publications
	 3. Persons who have posted on the Ancient American
	     discusion group.

This effort over the past week has resulted in 20 subscribers to this list
starting out.  I would like to encourage everyone to invite all the
interested people that you know to subscribe to the list.  It is free.  To
subscribe they simply must send an e-mail to
epigraphy-subscribe@... .

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Who Are The Looters?

      Colin Renfrew, in the magazine Archaeology (May/June, 1993), addresses
the topic of collectors and their "looting" of sites for the collections.
Renfrew is the Disney Professor of Archaeology at the University of
Cambridge, England, and is widely known; his views are important.  The same
magazine issue contains remarks by Ricardo Elia of Boston University who
wants to bring about "a change in social attitude whereby collecting is no
longer considered socially acceptable."  While both men are addressing the
collections of archaeological objects from Europe and Asia in the main,
their condemnation of "looting" affects more than just their fields of
archaeology.
      The study of pre-Columbian America suffers because the collections of
finders are not examined and are consigned to destruction by neglect.  These
collections are not made by looting in any ordinary sense; they are made by
men and women who have a knack for finding and preserving ancient artifacts.
Let me start with the Lanks family of Scranton PA. as an example.  Phil
Lanks, the son, is an acquaintance of mine.  He is a hiker, a white water
raft rider, trained in geology, fluent in Spanish, and a member of the
collector group, as was his late father.  In the Scranton area, it is
possible to find old Indian arrow heads in fields and woods, if you know
what to look for.  Mr. Lanks, the father, did this for 40 years.  He also
found, from time to time, peculiar stones with markings on them and holes in
them.  Feeling that such stones meant something, they too were collected and
professional opinions were sought from state archaeologists.  In the end,
all such stones were discarded because the professionals deemed them
worthless.  Phil was quite disturbed to learn, in 1991, that the possibility
of amulet stones was ignored by the professionals.  He knew the stone
markings were not weather or plow marks; they were designed by someone.  But
had this collection been kept intact, for posterity, for comparison to other
collections in nearby New York or New Jersey, or to other parts of
Pennsylvania, early American history might have been forced to take a
different view of visitors here from other continents in the pre-Columbian
age, of Indian customs here, and of the value of collecting by amateurs.
      Then, having established that marked stones could be significant, the
amateur collectors would be asked to leave new finds alone.  The state
employees who do archaeological work would then be able to do a controlled
excavation that is photographed, published, critiqued and so made even more
legitimate.  Perhaps I am wrong, but the Renfrew et al. approach is
condemnatory of the initial actions that must be taken for the beginning of
a new study.  It seems to disallow collecting data (calling it looting) in
such a way (forming a collection) that interested parties can see masses of
evidence in one spot so that immediate comparisons can be made (particularly
of details visible to the naked eye that are hard to photograph), group
photographs can be taken and published, and different generations of people
can continuously review the information. Notebooks of isolated data are
useless in science; an arranged collection of data, with relationships
explored, and further investigations sensibly called for, are what allow any
science to progress.
      The experiences related to me by Robert Pyle of West Virginia, however,
make me think that pre-Columbian explorers have a long, long wait for
acceptance.  Pyle is an archaeologist and has been employed as such by his
native state.  I have been to his home where several large rooms are filled
with oddities that would otherwise no longer exist.  Rather than let it be
destroyed, Pyle bought a life-sized face carved in sandstone; origins
unknown.  He has a palm sized stone with a message (undeciphered as yet) on
both sides. There are other petroglyphs in West Virginia, many in Ogam, but
this small stone is very different.  Pyle has Indian artifacts and many
artifacts that are very likely not native Indian, such as the crosses and
crucifixes. His book All That Remains covers some of these items (available
from Pyle at 1964 Negley Ave, Morgantown, WV, 26505 for $15.00).  Despite
working in archaeology and digging and recording for over 30 years, Pyle
can't get off first base with the professionals; nevertheless, he still
urges everyone to report finds to their state's Department of Culture and
History.  Writing in the state magazine, the state editor, Arnout Hyde, Jr.
has offered rebuttal space to what Pyle has written and received no takers.
      Pyle has noted that many sites are unprotected by the state and even
not listed as archaeological sites despite the obvious need, apparent to any
visitor.  He gets little help from anyone; his finds are too unusual. Why
shouldn't he collect pottery?  Without a collection, how is one to identify
the odd piece with a European or Asiatic theme?  Why shouldn't copper pieces
be collected?  Isn't it now possible to decide if the copper is from
Michigan, a West Virginia site or from Cyprus (the Greek "Copper Island")?
Even lumps of coal can be examined to see if it is from this continent or
from Europe.  Pyle has told me of written archaeological reports that
describe a "windshield survey" in which the archaeologist says he saw
nothing through the windshield of the car as he drove through the site.
Well, maybe such archaeologists are free of the collecting and looting
taints, but also they will make no progress.
      Pyle is a digger and photographer, in part.  But he is also a collector
that amateurs can turn to for assistance, and this has happened many times.
I learned of Pyle by contacting the state office in Charleston and was told
that Pyle had the answers to my questions about Ogam in West Virginia.  Pyle
wants to document everything, no matter how controversial, and he wants
evidence to be acknowledged because someday more information may be
available and answers may be found.  He has reported hoaxes and found their
creators; he has been offered many legitimate items as well; he consults
with the Smithsonian Institute as needs demand. As a collector, not a
looter, Pyle is preserving the past that the professional organizations are
ignoring.  And Pyle has ideas too.  Why not collect the many Indian
skeletons and use a CAT scan on every one to see if all are Asiatic?  Maybe
some will be European or "white Indians" who left crosses and crucifixes and
ogam.
      The roles of an archaeologist are many.  Teaching is important,
publishing equally so.  The study of data and relating it to new data is an
ongoing task.  Archaeologists attend meetings to view and review studies,
theories and to make new acquaintances in other subspecialities.  They
lecture to the general public, write for magazines, both in the popular
press and in professional journals.  They advise legislatures on proper law
making to preserve finds, ask the law makers for money for the state
archaeologist functions, and rush to dig up a site that is being developed
for homes or other buildings before all is bulldozed to oblivion.
Archaeologists prepare displays for the public to view, change the contents
as time passes and/or theories and/or data warrants, and monitor the
public's reactions to their work.  Field work is a part of their life, but
not the main part and often not even a significant part.  There are many
ways in which the amateur and professional can work together.  Individuals
can assemble important data as a hobby or incidental to other occupations
(road building, mining, etc.)  Given good cooperation, rapid advances may
well appear.  But what is the amateur to do when the state or university
people can take a phone call and do no more?  If they can't or won't come to
the site, or state that it's not their specialty, or have their minds made
up about ogam, crucifixes, pottery, amulet stones, and so on, what is the
finder to do?  A simple answer occurs naturally to most people.  Collect
what you can, hold on to it, keep it protected, do not lose it.  Perhaps
someone will come by one day and say, Gee, I wish I had known about this
years ago!  Collectors are not looters; they are preservers, they are doing
the job the professionals are not completing, they are the backbone of the
system.

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