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Re: Separating Prints from Glass   Message List  
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RE: Separating Prints from Glass

With photographic RC papers, I believe that the consensus may be that there
is a resin coating on the bottom and the top of the paper substrata itself
with the emulsion layers on top of the top resin layer and another more
porous resin coating layer on top of the emulsion. Thus the paper itself is
protected from water and the chemicals while the emulsion is protected by a
different type of resin coating that enables the creation of surface
textures on it as well as protecting the emulsion layers from scratching and
abrasion. The earlier papers may have been handled differently with the
coatings encapsulating the only the paper substrata and not the emulsions or
on the top and bottom with no middle layer of resin coating.

With respect to inkjet papers, I would think that there may be a absorbent
layer between the substrata and a topmost layer which is also a type of
micropoureous layer, which serves to permit surface textures while allowing
the ink to be absorbed by the layer below and protected from being attacked
by air pollutants that might have a greater effect if the ink remained on
the surface or susceptible to running and dilution by moisture that might
come into contact with the inks if there weren't such protection. But the
topmost surface is not a sealant in the true sense of the word or else the
inks would not be able to penetrate it to get to the layer on which it
lives.

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From: owner-epson-inkjet@...
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Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 10:08 AM
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Subject: Re: Separating Prints from Glass


On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 10:42:57 +0200, you wrote:

> The resin coated photographic
>papers used polyethylene on the the front and back
>of the paper itself and the emulsion was then coated
>on the polyethylene again so no developer etc. entered the
>paper. Main problem was and is the adherence of the
>emulsion to the polyethylene.

Phil said, "I thought the (RC paper) resin coating was polyethylene." I
assumed
this meant the top layer was polyethylene. Now it sounds like you're saying
this
is actually a middle layer, with an emulsion layer on top. That may be true
for
photographic prints, but what about inkjet prints? Isn't it true that with
inkjet prints the layer that absorbs the ink is below some other layer? If
so,
what is the topmost layer made of? I thought that is what we were
discussing.
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... Gee, I really don't know. I am sure that most of the older photographic and photographic quality inkjet papers also used some sort of coating; but the ...
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With photographic RC papers, I believe that the consensus may be that there is a resin coating on the bottom and the top of the paper substrata itself with the...
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In article <LPBBJFCBPOJLKOKMFBJBEEGJEEAA.laurie@...>, Laurie Solomon <laurie@...> writes ... Anyone who has ever handled resin coated...
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Inkjet media hasn't been around long enough for reports of this sort of damage to surface. The rule applies to any artwork on paper, and inkjet prints...
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Jun 14, 2001
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... Does it really? Is the ink really on the paper, or is it in the paper? I think this distinction is what is driving me to continue this discussion. If it is...
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... and ... of ... FIRST foils that are printed with Encad GO inks or similar pigment inks exist for at least 6 years. The heat treatment that seals the FIRST...
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Thanks for the detailed technical information on this. ... From: owner-epson-inkjet@... [mailto:owner-epson-inkjet@...]On Behalf Of Ernst Dinkla ...
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... From: "Laurie Solomon" <laurie@...> To: <epson-inkjet@...> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 4:21 AM Subject: RE: Separating Prints from Glass...
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I am just a professional photographer who runs his own black and white lab and not a chemist so my understanding is a layperson's and not a technical knowledge...
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... I can see this for water-based inks, but if they are oil-based inks, will moisture really draw them out? I think not. ... Mold and fungus growth occurs on...
Victor
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So, why don't you people who think it is not a problem to have the print mounted flush against the glass just go ahead and display all your prints that way....
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Maybe I'm mistaken but I distinctly recall a polite request from mgmt to "close" this thread. This is my attempt to so do . . . ... - Turn off HTML mail...
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In article <p05010401b74e98f65ff0@[209.179.197.69]>, Bob Tyson <bobicho@...> writes ... Never truer written words! -- Kennedy Yes, Socrates himself...
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In article <p05010401b74e98f65ff0@[209.179.197.69]>, Bob Tyson <bobicho@...> writes ... I am sure that those interested and contributing to this...
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From: Victor <lights@...> ... paper? I think ... If it is the ... contact with ... It doesn't matter whether the ink is in or on the paper. The primary ...
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... Greater heating of the print? Explain how a print would be heated more without an airspace than with one. The insulating properties of the airspace will ...
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... From: "Laurie Solomon" <laurie@...> To: <epson-inkjet@...> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 5:52 AM Subject: RE: Separating Prints from Glass ...
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I think I am beginning to catch on. Thanks again. ... From: owner-epson-inkjet@... [mailto:owner-epson-inkjet@...]On Behalf Of Ernst Dinkla Sent:...
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From: Victor <lights@...> ... primary ... surface ... by ... more without ... will ... will still be ... I was thinking the print would reach higher...
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In article <009301c0f665$13068ca0$7ac5fea9@vaio>, Dave King <kingphoto@...> writes ... It all comes down to the spectral transmission of glass in...
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From: Kennedy McEwen <rkm@...> ... refraction ... thermal ... or ... to go ... material ... If ... an ... conduction ... room ... by ... their...
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In article <005901c0f748$5dd7bea0$7ac5fea9@vaio>, Dave King <kingphoto@...> writes ... That is my expectation - unless the print is not illuminated...
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... Several people have suggested that buckling is a problem. Please explain how there can be buckling. It seems to me that if the print is held firmly against...
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... Yeah, that's what the Pacific plate and the North American plate thought, too. And the bimetallic strip in a thermostat. -- David Dyer-Bennet /...
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... I understand what you are getting at here. These analogies assume there is some flexibility in the materials, however. My thoughts are that given...
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... And that's why I picked the first example; I don't think anything we're using is as rigid as any of the major tectonic plates. Whether the situation will...
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David! Perhaps tectonic plates make a poor standard for "rigidity". One look at the rocks around San Francisco tells even the least-trained eye they bend,...
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How about Teutonic Plates? I believe they're used in a German printing process- maybe inkjet? Paul - Turn off HTML mail features. Keep quoted material short....
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... But only if they're made from lithographic limestone. Bob (RPG #xxxx) - Turn off HTML mail features. Keep quoted material short. Use accurate subject...
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In your capacity as a professional geologist, would you say that tectonic plates were more rigid or less rigid than photo paper? Stan Former Unregistered...
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