Peg, When I read your description of Sasha working what I see is a dog who is a natural gathering type who doesn't know what to do once she's gathered them up...
Sarah, I think peg is right on. I don't think there is such thing as a natural gatherer, it is that they head or heel. That heeler will also gather just as...
... that both can be trained to do either for you and which is harder to train depends on the handlers preference. ... or on the aptitude of the individual...
This idea (that has been put forward on a couple of other lists) that the small farm environment is inadequate to evaluate an English Shepherd on the surface...
As an aside on the "Good Hog Dog" I've heard around here from the old timers is one that doesn't bite high and hard on a ham. Bill Corley Twin Springs Farm...
Ahhh. I see. So selecting for a good hog dog also selects for low-heeling. Or, that one characteristic has multiple uses/applications. Not surprising. Kris ...
From what I've heard, a good hog dog grabs ears--not hind legs at all. Many hog farmers like catahoulas because they work the front. Erin Hischke Red Bank...
Stodghill selected Catahoulas to be strictly heading dogs. A trait that is common in Catahoulas is to make the hog mad and have the hog chase them into the...
Peg has raised, trained and used Sasha, (a header from the Shininger line), and she is a remarkable working farm dog. Peg has advised others with this line to...
I have actually see Jack do this, but, I thought I was out of my mind. He has a hard time dealing with Buddy the Billy goat. Bill Corley Twin Springs Farm...
No. Bill Corley Twin Springs Farm <http://www.mofoxtrot.com/twinspringsfarm/> "Most of us are about as happy as we make our minds up to be." - President...
Hello Elaine, I have not writen or posted in a long while but I do read a lot of the post from the group. Rainy is growing into a very fine English Shepherd....
I don't think anyone here is calling farmers ignorant. But I do think there is misunderstanding on styles of herding dogs. I'm not convinced there is really...
It's been a week now since my 8 Icelandic sheep have arrived. At 54 yrs old (me) and 11 yrs. old (Bonnie, my ES) we are being introduced to caring for...
It's not about *only* works the head. It's about *naturally* works the head. It's kind of like being right or left handed...one way is easier than the other....
There's no such thing as dumb question(s)! I appreciate all questions b/c it gives food for thought. : ) Actually, Bonnie is doing what comes natural and...
Peg, Thanks so much for your great response and words of encouragement. It helps so much to hear from those experienced with ES's as farm dogs and/or dogs...
... And Ceilidh is *definitely* a gatherer, and *definitely* a heeler. She wants to work from the rear of the animal, and has had to learn to sometimes work...
I just had a very unsettling experience with my 4 month old English Shepherd. Bella was eating her breakfast, as per our normal morning routine, and I walked...
Hi Nancy, I am looking at your Bella on your website. She is beautiful. She is the same age as my Missy. I wonder if you are training her to herd. I thought...
Hello everyone, I am getting my first ES in about a month. She is the runt of the litter, but I chose her. Her mother weighs in about 60-70 pounds, so maybe my...
Hi Who-ever-you-are, Continue reading up on the nature of the English Shepherd personality and temperament at such sites as: http://www.farmcollie.com/ and ...
... And check out the raw ES list: http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/RAWEnglishShepherds/?yguid=202051443 it's not terribly high volume, which I like. Erin...
I have always found the ES to be easily trained. With a little patience you will find they make very rapid progress. I don't know how far you want to go with...
spend as much time with her as you possibly can. Take her everywhere you go if at all possible. Set firm rules for her and be consistant. Expect the best...
Oh, I forgot to add to my last message, I am currently clicker training the foster dog in my care. Does anyone here clicker train their ES? If so, any tips for...
There are several es owners who use clickers to train tricks, agility and obedience, but I'm not aware of anyone who uses clickers to train working farm dogs....
I used clicker training w/Gem the first few months because our puppy kindergarten teacher advocated it. I found it to be very effective, and esp. interesting...
I agree about the treats. I used them w/Gem in the first two months to start her on simple commands, but soon quit because I didn't like her focus on the...
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