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what is the pedigree of your dog, Suzanne?

Elaine

--- In esfarmdog@yahoogroups.com, "Suzanne Webber"
<brooksbendfarm@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you so much for inviting me to this group.  I feel so much
more
> at home here.
>
> I love the attitude that training the dog is showing it the
routines,
> giving it lots of exposure to all farm situations, and letting its
> natural instincts  do the rest.  This is the reason it's so
importangt
> to have well bred dogs and why I think the work you're doing is so
> important.
>
> One of the things I've enjoyed learning about Gemma lately is that
she
> expects me to be a good worker too! She has worked out a good
routine
> to round up "lost" chickens.  She corners them and waits for me to
> come get them.  She doesn't stick around once I get there though.
She
> lets go and if I'm not up to my part of the job, the chicken gets
> loose again.  I'm getting better!
>
> Thanks again for inviting me on.  Hope I didn't go on too long.
>
> Suzanne
>

#29

From: "Suzanne Webber" <brooksbendfarm@...>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2007 10:19 pm
Subject: Re: Training The ES

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Thank you so much for inviting me to this group.  I feel so much more
at home here.

I love the attitude that training the dog is showing it the routines,
giving it lots of exposure to all farm situations, and letting its
natural instincts  do the rest.  This is the reason it's so importangt
to have well bred dogs and why I think the work you're doing is so
important.

One of the things I've enjoyed learning about Gemma lately is that she
expects me to be a good worker too! She has worked out a good routine
to round up "lost" chickens.  She corners them and waits for me to
come get them.  She doesn't stick around once I get there though.  She
lets go and if I'm not up to my part of the job, the chicken gets
loose again.  I'm getting better!

Thanks again for inviting me on.  Hope I didn't go on too long.

Suzanne

#28

From: "Mary Peaslee" <marypeaslee@...>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2007 9:17 pm
Subject: RE: Training The ES

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The dogs may not need a lot of training, but the owners OFTEN do.

I think if you've lived with dogs a long time, you have probably absorbed a whole lot of wisdom; to you, it's just second nature to do things a certain way, and you don't think of your manner of handling your dogs as "training".

People without your background, or wisdom, often have a hard time however... dogs are not people; they have a whole set of natural instincts and abilities that are best used if they are understood (intuitively, or from experience, or by having someone teach you about them). A lot of people just don't understand dogs, however.

You are certainly not the only person to favor natural working dogs, however :-)... a quote that might be of interest:

"To produce a credible strain of working dog, believe me, you must breed dogs that will almost train themselves. They must be dogs that can rise above everything from limited exposure to work/ training, to neglect, to abuse, and still make some fashion of a functional working dog. I would say only one potential use out of a hundred is a "real" dog trainer... a person who, first, will take the time to properly train a young dog and, secondly, knows how to go about it... a rare find indeed.

Using an educated guess, it is estimated that if you sold a litter of ten pups to a random sampling of users, only about two of those pups would have a fair chance of receiving a proper chance to perform their heritage. The other eight would have to make it by overcoming adversity... It is not intended here to be harsh on the average user of working dogs, the ration of good to poor applies to all of humankind, in any given endeavour... If a breeder is going to make his mark, his puppies have to be true "naturals". "

Mary Peaslee

marypeaslee@...

www.englishshepherds.net

From: esfarmdog@yahoogroups.com [mailto:esfarmdog@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mchenry1947
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 10:39 AM
To: esfarmdog@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [esfarmdog] Training The ES

Am I the only person that thinks that basicly you don't need to do a
lot of training on the ES. They need to be shown what you want done and
teach control. In my opinion they don't take force training well. They
are thinkers and need to make descisions on their own. If you show them
a few times they will do it themselves. Karen and I disagree on some of
our training or the way we teach control, but I think we want the same
result.

Pictures I see on other sites don't set well with me. How they or what
they are trying to acomplish.

I think other breeds are better suited for what they want.

Keith

#27

From: "shepherdswayes" <marypeaslee@...>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2007 9:49 pm
Subject: Re: Farm Dogs

shepherdswayes

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There are certainly narrow-minded people around, who insist that you
must value the same things they do if you want to talk to them.
Personally, I think those kind of conversations -- where everyone is
busy congratulating each other for sharing the same opinions -- get
pretty boring ;-).

I like people who give me new ways to see things.

Mary

--- In esfarmdog@yahoogroups.com, "horsesnewmexcom"
<horsesnewmexcom@...> wrote:
On some of the other groups, if you express the opinion that ES
traditional working instinct will not be maintained by trials, they
send you nasty grams and tell you to stop and if you don't, they kick
you off.  I didn't last long there.

#26

From: "horsesnewmexcom" <horsesnewmexcom@...>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2007 8:34 pm
Subject: Re: Ella

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Of course I think she is the sweetest and smaertest in the world, but
seriously, she is really dog savvy!  If we can just find enough
people that have her ability to read dog language to sell pups to!

I was talking to Erin earlier today and she was crying to go see the
new baby pups- erin said earlier she put all the pups in the water
disdh (empty water dish) so they will be well socialized!

Elaine

--- In esfarmdog@yahoogroups.com, "cimarronwhiskey" <KCMAXX@...>
wrote:
>
> Thought I recognized that cute little girl!!! She's quite a sweetie
> Elaine.  I agree about not having to train formally anyway my ES,
> Whiskey seems to easily read my mind.  Penny is starting to thing
more
> about watching the livestock (she's almost 5 months old) than just
> running playing.  She loves to tell the horses that they stay on
their
> side of the fence.  They are starting to work together putting the
> ducks in the stall at night.  Whiskey will walk (well sometimes
walk)
> them to the doorway and Penny will block them from going past.
Michele
> Collins, Iowa
>

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#25

From: "horsesnewmexcom" <horsesnewmexcom@...>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2007 8:30 pm
Subject: Re: Training The ES

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I agree, however,

they vary by individual dog and different lines in the amount of
control you need to teach, the Butcher line is very biddable- you
basically teach them to come and they do the rest from learning your
body language.

Elaine

--- In esfarmdog@yahoogroups.com, "mchenry1947" <lkm@...> wrote:
>
> Am I the only person that thinks that basicly you don't need to do
a
> lot of training on the ES. They need to be shown what you want done
and
> teach control. In my opinion they don't take force training well.
They
> are thinkers and need to make descisions on their own. If you show
them
> a few times they will do it themselves. Karen and I disagree on
some of
> our training or the way we teach control, but I think we want the
same
> result.
>
> Pictures I see on other sites don't set well with me. How they or
what
> they are trying to acomplish.
>
> I think other breeds are better suited for what they want.
>
> Keith
>

#24

From: "cimarronwhiskey" <KCMAXX@...>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2007 8:28 pm
Subject: Ella

cimarronwhiskey

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Thought I recognized that cute little girl!!! She's quite a sweetie
Elaine.  I agree about not having to train formally anyway my ES,
Whiskey seems to easily read my mind.  Penny is starting to thing more
about watching the livestock (she's almost 5 months old) than just
running playing.  She loves to tell the horses that they stay on their
side of the fence.  They are starting to work together putting the
ducks in the stall at night.  Whiskey will walk (well sometimes walk)
them to the doorway and Penny will block them from going past. Michele
Collins, Iowa

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#23

From: craftyshepherdes@...
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2007 2:19 pm
Subject: Re: Training The ES

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In a message dated 2/2/07 1:39:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, lkm@... writes:

Am I the only person that thinks that basicly you don't need to do a
lot of training on the ES. They need to be shown what you want done and
teach control.

You're definitely not alone, Keith.

One of the things that I think is most valuable about the ES is that he was developed by farmers for farmwork, so is necessarily more "user-friendly" than the trial-type specialist herder who is not able to think as independantly and really needs a lot of direction. The ES is an eager-to-please, smart and thoughtful enough dog to be able to learn his regular jobs on the farm by observing, rather than needing to be taken to a professional trainer and/or directed by his owner with a lot of special commands the way a remote-control toy car is "driven"... Not everyone, and certainly not most of the livestock farmers I know, have the time or resources to devote to "classical" trial type training for their choredogs.

I can see needing more specific direction and commands for unfamiliar or off-farm situations, but other than a good recall on the dog, I get by quite well with about four; One to "send" them (pssst or go get'em), one to slow them down or tell them to ease off with the teeth (easy), one to make them *stop and think* about whether what they're doing is right or if they've missed something and need to look around (hey) and one for them to get out (out). "Out" is kind of in stages, if I tell them out once they step back and release pressure, again they'll get out of the pen, again (and maybe really loud, lol) and they'll go all the way back to the house ;-)

I think most people tend to talk too much to dogs and try to micromanage and explain what they want them to do... I like this guy's approach better:

http://www.stockmanship.com/stockdogs.htm

-Tish

#22

From: Ruth Hippler <earthangels@...>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2007 6:43 pm
Subject: Re: Training The ES

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I grew up thinkin ES don't need training at all! The one we grew up with just did everything and as a kid I didn't see the "training" she got from my parents. It's really not trianing as people see it today. They get alot of "training" by watching us, and we do alot of training just going through the motions of the daily chores, without thinking about it, but they do need some training. Although it may better be called guidance.

Blessings,

Ruth

www.earthangelses.com

mchenry1947 <lkm@...> wrote:

Am I the only person that thinks that basicly you don't need to do a
lot of training on the ES. They need to be shown what you want done and
teach control. In my opinion they don't take force training well. They
are thinkers and need to make descisions on their own. If you show them
a few times they will do it themselves. Karen and I disagree on some of
our training or the way we teach control, but I think we want the same
result.

Pictures I see on other sites don't set well with me. How they or what
they are trying to acomplish.

I think other breeds are better suited for what they want.

Keith

#21

From: "mchenry1947" <lkm@...>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2007 6:39 pm
Subject: Training The ES

mchenry1947

Online Now

Am I the only person that thinks that basicly you don't need to do a
lot of training on the ES. They need to be shown what you want done and
teach control. In my opinion they don't take force training well. They
are thinkers and need to make descisions on their own. If you show them
a few times they will do it themselves. Karen and I disagree on some of
our training or the way we teach control, but I think we want the same
result.

Pictures I see on other sites don't set well with me. How they or what
they are trying to acomplish.

I think other breeds are better suited for what they want.

Keith

#20

From: "Ruth" <earthangels@...>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2007 6:35 pm
Subject: Re: Farm Dogs

sheperd2e

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Agreed!

Hi everybody! ~waving~

Blessings,
Ruth
www.earthangelses.com

--- In esfarmdog@yahoogroups.com, "mchenry1947" <lkm@...> wrote:
>
> I have been to some of the other groups and get the impression that
> most people want their dogs to be trial dogs like the BC's. I am not
> going to down BC's, but if they want theit dogs to be like them why
not
> just get one. The ES that I know and grew up with are more of a chore
> dog, protect the family, and be ready anytime needed dog.
>

#19

From: "shepherdswayes" <marypeaslee@...>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2007 6:31 pm
Subject: Re: Farm Dogs

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Hi,

I'll post an intro later today... (as if you haven't heard enough from
me elsewhere ;-).

For now...just because someone uses a "tool" incorrectly, and botches
the job they set out to do, doesn't mean the *tool* was bad... perhaps
the "user" lacked an understanding of how to use it effectively!

I aspire to be an accomplished tool-user ;-),

Mary

--- In esfarmdog@yahoogroups.com, craftyshepherdes@... wrote:

Trialing in and of itself is not bad, IMO, but when breeding
decisions  begin to be made based on trial performance rather than
balanced farmdog traits  and character, the breed *will* change...

#18

From: "Kris Hazelbaker" <shajarah@...>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2007 2:08 am
Subject: RE: Farm Dogs

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When I was looking for a cow dog for our ranch here, I specifically did *not* want a BC herding specialist, because we don’t have day in and day out herding work. I knew my dog would be a family dog, a guardian dog, and my right-hand helper as well as my cow herder. He’s just what I ordered. He would like to see more herding work though – he *loves* it.

Kris

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From: esfarmdog@yahoogroups.com [mailto:esfarmdog@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of chesclair@...
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 3:57 PM
To: esfarmdog@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [esfarmdog] Farm Dogs

BC's have their place but they are not an ES. This is also not a put down but just a fact. ES are all purpose farm dogs that are bred to excell at their many jobs.

Sheryl

----- Original Message -----

From: mchenry1947

To: esfarmdog@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 5:09 PM

Subject: [esfarmdog] Farm Dogs

I have been to some of the other groups and get the impression that
most people want their dogs to be trial dogs like the BC's. I am not
going to down BC's, but if they want theit dogs to be like them why not
just get one. The ES that I know and grew up with are more of a chore
dog, protect the family, and be ready anytime needed dog.

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#17

From: craftyshepherdes@...
Date: Thu Feb 1, 2007 7:33 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Farm Dogs

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Well, now we have a place to talk about our English Shepherds as FARM dogs, not just as "just herding in trial terms" dogs, lol.

Now to get the word out that we're up and running!

-Tish

In a message dated 2/1/07 7:04:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, chesclair@... writes:

...and I can't post about their wonderful guardian nature and how this works in regards to herding, LOL.
Sheryl

On some of the other groups, if you express the opinion that ES
traditional working instinct will not be maintained by trials, they
send you nasty grams and tell you to stop and if you don't, they kick
you off. I didn't last long there.

;-)

Elaine

#16

From: <chesclair@...>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2007 12:02 am
Subject: Re: Re: Farm Dogs

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...and I can't post about their wonderful guardian nature and how this works in regards to herding, LOL.

Sheryl

On some of the other groups, if you express the opinion that ES
traditional working instinct will not be maintained by trials, they
send you nasty grams and tell you to stop and if you don't, they kick
you off. I didn't last long there.

;-)

Elaine

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#15

From: <chesclair@...>
Date: Thu Feb 1, 2007 11:56 pm
Subject: Re: Farm Dogs

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BC's have their place but they are not an ES. This is also not a put down but just a fact. ES are all purpose farm dogs that are bred to excell at their many jobs.

Sheryl

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From: mchenry1947

To: esfarmdog@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 5:09 PM

Subject: [esfarmdog] Farm Dogs

I have been to some of the other groups and get the impression that
most people want their dogs to be trial dogs like the BC's. I am not
going to down BC's, but if they want theit dogs to be like them why not
just get one. The ES that I know and grew up with are more of a chore
dog, protect the family, and be ready anytime needed dog.

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#14

From: craftyshepherdes@...
Date: Thu Feb 1, 2007 6:45 pm
Subject: Re: Farm Dogs

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Hi Keith, good to "see" you here :-)

There are a lot of us concerned that modern pressures have begun to change our breed. There are some well-meaning folks out there (and some perhaps that are not so well-meaning ;-) that didn't come to ES from farming or stockdog backgrounds and think the best way to serve the breed is to promote it as a trendy "rare" alternative to the Border Collie or other competition-bred herding dogs. Trialing in and of itself is not bad, IMO, but when breeding decisions begin to be made based on trial performance rather than balanced farmdog traits and character, the breed *will* change, just as all the other "working" breeds that became popular for something other than their original purpose have changed.

Some will argue that this isn't happening yet, so we should'nt worry about it, but as long as there is a push to get more and more ES into the hands of folks who will not continue to select for farmdog traits it's only a matter of time until we begin to see the damage. So it's important, I think, to get this message out to whomever will listen.

This list was started by and for people interested in identifying, discussing and preserving the traditional multi-purpose working abilities of the English Shepherd. Concientious breeding, *responsible* promotion, and above all, I think, respect for the many generations of rigorous selection and hard work that went into producing a dog so well-equipped to do anything and everything that was needed on the farm is what's needed to keep us on the right path...

We need to keep the FARM in the FARMdogs!

-Tish Toren

iiiii
iiiii
jiiii
The Blacksheep Homestead
Rock Stream, NY
* Lamb/Wool * Working English Shepherds * Poultry *
*Other Good Stuff*

"The wishbone will never replace the backbone."

--Will James

In a message dated 2/1/07 5:11:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, lkm@... writes:

I have been to some of the other groups and get the impression that
most people want their dogs to be trial dogs like the BC's. I am not
going to down BC's, but if they want theit dogs to be like them why not
just get one. The ES that I know and grew up with are more of a chore
dog, protect the family, and be ready anytime needed dog.

#13

From: "horsesnewmexcom" <horsesnewmexcom@...>
Date: Thu Feb 1, 2007 10:37 pm
Subject: Re: Farm Dogs

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--- In esfarmdog@yahoogroups.com, "mchenry1947" <lkm@...> wrote:
>
> I have been to some of the other groups and get the impression that
> most people want their dogs to be trial dogs like the BC's. I am not
> going to down BC's, but if they want theit dogs to be like them why
not
> just get one. The ES that I know and grew up with are more of a
chore
> dog, protect the family, and be ready anytime needed dog.
>

On some of the other groups, if you express the opinion that ES
traditional working instinct will not be maintained by trials, they
send you nasty grams and tell you to stop and if you don't, they kick
you off.  I didn't last long there.

;-)

Elaine

#12

From: "mchenry1947" <lkm@...>
Date: Thu Feb 1, 2007 10:09 pm
Subject: Farm Dogs

mchenry1947

Online Now

I have been to some of the other groups and get the impression that
most people want their dogs to be trial dogs like the BC's. I am not
going to down BC's, but if they want theit dogs to be like them why not
just get one. The ES that I know and grew up with are more of a chore
dog, protect the family, and be ready anytime needed dog.

#11

From: "horsesnewmexcom" <horsesnewmexcom@...>
Date: Fri Jan 26, 2007 5:39 pm
Subject: Re: pictures

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Done!

Tish asked me to tell everyone that her monitor blew up and she
won't be able to be online for awhile.

Elaine

--- In esfarmdog@yahoogroups.com, "khazelbaker77" <shajarah@...>
wrote:
>
> --- In esfarmdog@yahoogroups.com, <chesclair@> wrote:
> >
> > I can't help it, I love them all, but "Ella and Valentine" is my
> favorite.
> > Sheryl
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: horsesnewmexcom
> >   To: esfarmdog@yahoogroups.com
> >   Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 2:54 PM
> >   Subject: [esfarmdog] pictures
> >
> >
> >   I put five there to choose from.
> >
> >   Elaine
> >
> I agree Sheryl!  That makes two votes for Ella and Valentine.
>
> Kris
>

#10

From: "khazelbaker77" <shajarah@...>
Date: Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:37 pm
Subject: Re: pictures

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--- In esfarmdog@yahoogroups.com, <chesclair@...> wrote:
>
> I can't help it, I love them all, but "Ella and Valentine" is my
favorite.
> Sheryl
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: horsesnewmexcom
>   To: esfarmdog@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 2:54 PM
>   Subject: [esfarmdog] pictures
>
>
>   I put five there to choose from.
>
>   Elaine
>
I agree Sheryl!  That makes two votes for Ella and Valentine.

Kris

From: <chesclair@...>
Date: Thu Jan 18, 2007 8:08 pm
Subject: Re: pictures

geigermama

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I can't help it, I love them all, but "Ella and Valentine" is my favorite.

Sheryl

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From: horsesnewmexcom

To: esfarmdog@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 2:54 PM

Subject: [esfarmdog] pictures

I put five there to choose from.

Elaine

From: "horsesnewmexcom" <horsesnewmexcom@...>
Date: Thu Jan 18, 2007 7:54 pm
Subject: pictures

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I put five there to choose from.

Elaine

From: <chesclair@...>
Date: Thu Jan 18, 2007 7:12 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Hi everyone!

geigermama

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Perfect. I'm waiting for the picture!

Sheryl

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From: horsesnewmexcom

To: esfarmdog@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 1:58 PM

Subject: [esfarmdog] Re: Hi everyone!

I can put mine up now-

Glory's in the future!

MAn am I thrilled about those pups and that pedigree!

Elaine

From: "horsesnewmexcom" <horsesnewmexcom@...>
Date: Thu Jan 18, 2007 6:58 pm
Subject: Re: Hi everyone!

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I can put mine up now-

Glory's in the future!

MAn am I thrilled about those pups and that pedigree!

Elaine

--- In esfarmdog@yahoogroups.com, <chesclair@...> wrote:
>
>   I was actually talking about Elaine's pups.  Since Erin, Dan and
the kids went to visit, I have seen some neat pictures.  I am sure
some were taken that would surely fit the bill.   LOL. I asked for
the 3 kids and 3 pups to go with them.
>   (I can't wait to see pics of Glory's pups.)
> Sheryl
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Kris Hazelbaker
>   To: esfarmdog@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:48 PM
>   Subject: RE: [esfarmdog] Hi everyone!
>
>
>   Puppies are always good!  Are you thinking of Glory's new litter?
>
>
>
>   Kris
>
>
>
>   -----Original Message-----
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>   How about a "bunch of puppies" pic.
>
>   Sheryl
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>     Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 1:18 PM
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>     Subject: [esfarmdog] Hi everyone!
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>     any suggestios for a photo to use for the home page?
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>     maybe a good guardian one?
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>     Elaine
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From: <chesclair@...>
Date: Wed Jan 17, 2007 2:05 am
Subject: Re: Hi everyone!

geigermama

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I was actually talking about Elaine's pups. Since Erin, Dan and the kids went to visit, I have seen some neat pictures. I am sure some were taken that would surely fit the bill. LOL. I asked for the 3 kids and 3 pups to go with them.

(I can't wait to see pics of Glory's pups.)

Sheryl

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From: Kris Hazelbaker

To: esfarmdog@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:48 PM

Subject: RE: [esfarmdog] Hi everyone!

Puppies are always good! Are you thinking of Glory�s new litter?

Kris

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Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:16 PM
To: esfarmdog@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [esfarmdog] Hi everyone!

How about a "bunch of puppies" pic.

Sheryl

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From: horsesnewmexcom

To: esfarmdog@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 1:18 PM

Subject: [esfarmdog] Hi everyone!

any suggestios for a photo to use for the home page?

maybe a good guardian one?

Elaine

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From: "Kris Hazelbaker" <shajarah@...>
Date: Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:48 am
Subject: RE: Hi everyone!

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Puppies are always good! Are you thinking of Glory’s new litter?

Kris

-----Original Message-----
From: esfarmdog@yahoogroups.com [mailto:esfarmdog@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of chesclair@...
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:16 PM
To: esfarmdog@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [esfarmdog] Hi everyone!

How about a "bunch of puppies" pic.

Sheryl

----- Original Message -----

From: horsesnewmexcom

To: esfarmdog@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 1:18 PM

Subject: [esfarmdog] Hi everyone!

any suggestios for a photo to use for the home page?

maybe a good guardian one?

Elaine

From: <chesclair@...>
Date: Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:15 pm
Subject: Re: Hi everyone!

geigermama

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How about a "bunch of puppies" pic.

Sheryl

----- Original Message -----

From: horsesnewmexcom

To: esfarmdog@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 1:18 PM

Subject: [esfarmdog] Hi everyone!

any suggestios for a photo to use for the home page?

maybe a good guardian one?

Elaine

From: shajarah@...
Date: Tue Jan 16, 2007 9:19 pm
Subject: Re: Hi everyone!

khazelbaker77

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Quoting horsesnewmexcom <horsesnewmexcom@...>:

> any suggestios for a photo to use for the home page?
>
> maybe a good guardian one?
>
> Elaine
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>
I'm not sure I've got a photo to share, but I'm glad to see that you
have survived all the snow and ice storms and are back "on the grid"!

I do have one picture of Mace sitting and watching his sheep eat their
grain.  That's probably the closest I can come to a guardian picture.

Kris


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From: "horsesnewmexcom" <horsesnewmexcom@...>
Date: Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:18 pm
Subject: Hi everyone!

horsesnewmexcom

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any suggestios for a photo to use for the home page?

maybe a good guardian one?

Elaine