Hi, hope everyone had a wonderful Fourth :) We have sheep, horses, heritage cattle and turkeys and some ducks right now. In the past we've had a lot more...
... I agree. This is exactly what I have observed. even several generations down from crossing in BT lines, there are still occasional pups that bite really...
I know what you mean. Skipper is harder to 'turn off' once he is 'activated'...lol. He also has a tight clamp down which at times require me to 'help him'...
Elaine- Given what Cathy just said, I was wondering whether the "occasional" hard biting pups that you mention also tend to have a b/t coat, or can they be any...
Could it be there is a different training approach you could use to correct and redirect this too aggressive approach of some of your dogs? Or, are you ...
... she too you can see in her eyes that she knows better but can't control the urge to grab. Age is helping, but it's not fixed yet. Michele Elaine-...
Well, IMO as far as training against reactivity and assertiveness or 'agressiveness' is done carefully. Because of sensitivity to correction, a couple times I...
I use as much as possible "no correction without redirection." Also, goats tend to go to you anyway (because you mean "food" mostly, so, having them follow you...
Bloodlines! The "lines" that were developed over years via breeder(s) through careful and strict selection upon what "type" was either needed for their own...
Maybe some might want to consider inbreeding the problem. Sometimes too much of a good thing is just as bad as not enough. JMO ... stems ... to ... is ... ES ...
It is alarming to me in many discussions with people interested in getting into breeding these dogs how little awareness or sometimes even desire to consider...
Yes, I agree about the importance of being aware of the lines. It seems that I receive way too many calls or emails from people inquiring about 'colors' and...
Hi Candy16430 (Sorry I don't know your name :-), I'm not sure I understand what you mean in this post. To me, using the wrong line, or a dog that's strongly...
so far every one of the hard biting pups I have produced has been black and tan (with minimal) white. If this continues for the next decade then I would call...
I could not agree more, Bill, and the implication that they are somehow "politically incorrect" is ridiculous. In our breed and comparing our breed to other...
Again, knowing the bloodlines beneath each dog. There are multiple ways an ES will protect you against stock. Doesn't have to have B/T lines within! The bold...
Color is not going to determine temperment. Possibly you are breeding the sames lines that are producing your hard biters. Coincidentally, they have a B/T...
... "Hard biting" is not a temperament thing, Candy. Just because a dog grips very hard does not mean he is a bad dog, just probably not suited for sheep....
Yes, I agree. I've only been in the ES circles for two years. A very short time. Discussions of bloodlines come up pretty regularly, and for those who...
Heading is pretty common in dogs that share descent from the Shininger line, and in some of the BT dogs. Even lines that have been selected for heelers for...
... other, bite is a working control style needed for big, heavy, hard working stock.Temperment to me how a dog interacts with his people and pack mates....
LOL......I may have been "rolling up my sleeves, Suzanne but only wish I didn't have to rush off to work. Don't worry, I'll be back. : ) Studying bloodlines...
Penny is 1/4 black and tan, 1/8 from Hughes/Stodghills. Whiskey is mostly (more than 50%)Butcher. He goes to BT dogs as well, but more remotely. Like Black...
... OOPS Make that 3/8. Penny's dad was 1/4 Maynard. 1/8 Maynard, 1/8 Hughes, 1/8 Blankenship. I am not sure that the Blankenship line goes to Sthdghill, if...
Suzanne, You say your dog is a header. What do you mean by that and can you give an example? Bill Corley www.mofoxtrot.com/twinspringsfarm "For a man who has a...
Gem blocks the stock. When we're pushing the flock through a gate she runs to the front to stop them. Also, she wants to hold stock and prevent it from...
When I say she has a lot of Shininger, I mean the Shininger may be pre-potent in the dogs through Shooter. Elaine, Erin? She also has several Beebe dogs...
That's interesting... it may indicate that those "biting genes" are on the same chromosomes that the coat color patterns are on. So that hard biting trait may...
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