The EuroForth 2009 proceedings and the individual papers and/or
presentation slides are now available on

http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/euroforth/ef09/papers/

Also, photographs made by some of the participants are available on

http://www.forth-ev.de/gallery/euroforth2009

If you have photos from EuroForth that you want to add to that
gallery, pack them in a zip file and make them available to Bernd
Paysan <bernd.paysan@...>.

Both of the links above are now also on the EuroForth 2009 web page

http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/euroforth/ef09/

- anton

This years EuroForth conference is to be held on the first weekend of
September (2-4) in Exeter, UK.  See the web site for further details:

	 http://www.euroforth.org/ef09

Hope to see you there.

--
Peter Knaggs
Conference Organiser.

This is just a reminder that the submission deadline for refereed
papers is this Friday.

The conference home page is at <http://www.euroforth.org/ef09/> and
the Call For Papers is at <http://www.euroforth.org/ef09/cfp.html>.

- anton

EuroForth 2009 will be held at the University of Exeter in England.
The dates known up to now are:

      May 29: Deadline for draft papers (academic stream)
      July 1: Notification of acceptance of academic stream papers

   August 24: Deadline for camera-ready paper submission
               (academic and industrial stream)
September 2-3: non-voting Forth200x meeting
                starts on 2nd at 2pm, buffet provided before the start
September 3-4: voting Forth200x meeting
September 4-6: EuroForth 2009 conference
                starts on 4th at 2pm, buffet provided before the start

So it's time to start working on your academic (refereed) stream paper
and/or think about what you want to submit as industrial-stream
paper.

The conference home page is at <http://www.euroforth.org/ef09/> and
the Call For Papers is at <http://www.euroforth.org/ef09/cfp.html>.

- anton

I have now confirmed the dates for the euroForth 2009 meeting.

	 Dates:    September 4-6
	 Location: University of Exeter, England.

See [1] information about the conference facilities at the University of
Exeter.  I will publish further details as they become known to me.  See
the euroForth web site [2] for further details.

[1] http://admin.exeter.ac.uk/hospitality/visitors/events/index.shtml
[1] http://www.euroforth.org/ef09/index.html

--
Peter Knaggs

The registration deadline for EuroForth 2008 is in a week, on Tuesday,
August 19th.  If you register later, not only will you have to pay an
additional late registration fee of EUR 20,-, it will also be
uncertain if we can book you into the ordinary conference hotel at the
conference fees, so you might have to stay at a different hotel and/or
you may have to pay a cost difference.  So it's a good idea to
register before the deadline.

You can find EuroForth information including the registration form and
the Call for Papers on the home page:
<http://www.euroforth.org/ef08.html>.

The following people have already announced that they will be coming
(in alphabetical order):

Willem Botha
Federico de Ceballos
Anton Ertl
David Gregg
Andrew Haley
Peter Knaggs
Nick Nelson
Bernd Paysan
Stephen Pelc
Jaanus Pöial
Bill Stoddart

- anton

Some deadlines for the EuroForth 2008 are coming up:

Thursday, June 26: Deadline for early registration (Savings of EUR 20).
Friday,   June 27: Submission deadline for reviewed papers.

You can find EuroForth information including the registrartion form
and the Call for Papers on the home page:
<http://www.euroforth.org/ef08.html>.

- anton

In four months time EuroForth 2008 will happen, so it's time to start
registering and making travel arrangements (especially if you want to
get one of the cheap plane or railway fares).

I have now made the invitation and registration form available at

http://www.euroforth.org/ef08/registration.pdf

Note that there is an early registration deadline on June 26th, which
saves you EUR 20 off the registration fee.  There is also a regular
registration deadline on August 19th.  If you miss the regular
registration deadline, we may have to book you into a different hotel
and/or pass on changes in room pricing to you in addition to charging
you an additional EUR 20 for late registration.

You can find information on traveling to EuroForth 2008 on the new
page

http://www.euroforth.org/ef08/travel.html

Also, I want to remind you that the deadline for refereed papers is
June 27th, just a month away, so it's also time to start writing your
paper.

You can find all this information through the conference home page:

http://www.euroforth.org/ef08.html

- anton

On Sonntag 09 Dezember 2007, Anton Ertl wrote:
> And there are Euroforth 2007 photos by Bernd Paysan and (new) me on
>  <http://www.forth-ev.de/gallery/euroforth2007>.

Another note: If you have photos, zip them into a file, put the file
on-line and send me the URL, and I'll integrate it into the gallery.

--
Bernd Paysan
"If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
http://www.jwdt.com/~paysan/

On Sonntag 09 Dezember 2007, Anton Ertl wrote:
> Finally, the EuroForth homepage has moved: it is currently residing
> at <http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/euroforth/>, and has a
> permanent home at <http://www.euroforth.org/>; this site and the old
> site currently redirect to the current page.

Note: There's a SWAP of dates in the EuroForth main page. 2008 has the
date of EuroForth 2007 and the other way round. For those of you who
use PIMs for their calendar, I've converted Anton's dates into iCal and
vCal.

--
Bernd Paysan
"If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
http://www.jwdt.com/~paysan/

EuroForth 2008 will be held at TU Wien in Vienna, Austria.  I hope you
already have your 2008 calendars, so you can immediately note the
dates:

  May-June   : Registration becomes available
      June 27: Deadline for draft papers (academic stream)
    August 12: Notification of acceptance of academic stream papers
    August 19: Registration deadline
September 15: Deadline for camera-ready paper submission
               (academic and industrial stream)
September 25-26: Forth200x meeting
September 26-28: EuroForth 2008

The home page of EuroForth 2008 is
<http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/euroforth/ef08.html>; the Call
for Papers is already available
<http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/euroforth/ef08/cfp.html>.

Also, there is finally a EuroForth 2007 homepage:
<http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/euroforth/ef07.html>.

Also new: the 2007 Proceedings and Papers page:
<http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/euroforth2007/papers/>.

And there are Euroforth 2007 photos by Bernd Paysan and (new) me on
<http://www.forth-ev.de/gallery/euroforth2007>.

Finally, the EuroForth homepage has moved: it is currently residing at
<http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/euroforth/>, and has a
permanent home at <http://www.euroforth.org/>; this site and the old
site currently redirect to the current page.  Thanks to Peter Knaggs
for maintaining the web site up to 2007, for providing the content and
for the redirections.

- anton

Klaus Schleisiek has asked me to remind you that today is the
registration deadline for EuroForth 2007.  The conference is preceeded
by the Forth200x meeting.

The dates:

August    24: Registration deadline
September  3: Deadline for camera-ready paper submission
               (academic and industrial stream)
September 13-14: Forth200x meeting
September 14-16: EuroForth 2007

Registration form (deadline August 24):
<http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/euroforth2007/registration.pdf>

Invitation:
<http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/euroforth2007/invitation.pdf>

Call for papers (deadline for non-refereed papers: September 3)
<http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/euroforth2007/>

- anton

Klaus Schleisiek has made the invitation and the registration form for
EuroForth 2007 available:

Invitation:
http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/euroforth2007/invitation.pdf

Registration form:
http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/euroforth2007/registration.pdf

You can still find the Call for papers and submission information on:
http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/euroforth2007/

Klaus gives a different submission address than I do.  You can send
papers to either of us, and we will send them on to the other one so
that they will appear both in the on-paper and the electronic
proceedings.

- anton

You can find the Web version of the CFP (with links) on
<http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/euroforth2007/>

EuroForth 2007 Call for Papers and Submission Instructions

Call for papers

EuroForth brings together researchers and practitioners from the Forth
community. Papers are solicited on all aspects of Forth (applications,
implementations, extensions, etc.) and related topics.

There are two types of paper you can submit: refereed (academic stream), or
unrefereed (industrial stream). Refereed papers will be reviewed by experts
against criteria for scientific papers, such as originality and technical
quality, and then will be accepted to or rejected from the academic stream. If
you are not familiar with scientific papers and their reviewing process, you
may want to read guides like How To Get Your SIGGRAPH Paper Rejected, How to
Write an Informatics Paper or The Researcher's Bible.

Submission Instructions

Please submit in Postscript (viewable with ghostscript) or PDF (viewable with
xpdf) format. If you use MS printer drivers to create the Postscript, please
submit the original format in addition to Postscript/PDF. Put the file(s) on a
web server and send the URL (preferred), or send it as attachment with MIME
content-type "application/postscript", "application/pdf" or "application/
octet-stream", or include the Postscript literally in a completely unencoded
mail (no MIME encodings).

For the final camera-ready copy, the format should be A4 with at least 25mm of
margins, unnumbered.

Here are guides on how to create PostScript files on Windows and MacOS. To
check the result, use a Postscript viewer.

Submission address (for drafts and final version):

Anton Ertl
anton@...
Institut für Computersprachen E185/1
Technische Universität Wien
Argentinierstraße 8/4
A-1040 Wien
Austria

Dates

      June 28: Deadline for draft papers (academic stream)
     August 3: Notification of acceptance of academic stream papers
September  3: Deadline for camera-ready paper submission
               (academic and industrial stream)
September 13-14: Forth200x meeting
September 14-16: EuroForth 2007

Program Committee (for the refereed track)

Sergey N. Baranov, Motorola ZAO, Russia (secondary chair)
M. Anton Ertl, TU Wien (chair)
David Gregg, Trinity College Dublin
Ulrich Hoffmann, Heidelberger Druckmaschinen AG
Jaanus Pöial, Estonian Information Technology College, Tallinn
Bradford Rodriguez, T-Recursive Technology
Reuben Thomas

- anton

You can now find the proceedings of EuroForth 2006 online, at

http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/euroforth2006/papers/

- anton

The following euroforth poll is now closed.  Here are the
final results:


POLL QUESTION: We have two options for the dates of the next EuroForth
meeting, at Dagstuhl in Germany. Note that a Forth200x
standards meeting will be held immediately proceeding
the next this conference.

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- 14-17 September 2007, 2 votes, 66.67%
- 20-24 September 2007, 1 votes, 33.33%



For more information about this group, please visit
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/euroforth

For help with Yahoo! Groups, please visit
http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/

EuroForth 2007 will be held at Schloss Dagstuhl, Germany [1]. This would
be our fourth visit to Dagstuhl, with previous visits in 1995, 1998,
2001 and 2004. Both Len Zettel [2] and Paul E. Bennett [3] have written
conference reports of previous meetings.

Klaus Schleisiek, the conference organiser for 2007, has offered two
dates for the next conference:

	 14-17 September 2007
	 20-24 September 2007

You can either contact Klaus directly with your preference [4], or vote
in the poll I have set up on euroforth email list home page [5]. Either
way Klaus will need to tell Dagstuhl on Friday, September 29th. So no
votes after Thursday 28th please.


[1] http://www.dagstuhl.de/en/about-dagstuhl/
[2] http://dec.bournemouth.ac.uk/forth/euro/report95.html
[3] http://dec.bournemouth.ac.uk/forth/euro/ef98/report.html
[4] kschleisiek@...
[5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/euroforth/surveys?id=2336981

--
Peter Knaggs

Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the
euroforth group:

We have two options for the dates of the next EuroForth
meeting, at Dagstuhl in Germany. Note that a Forth200x
standards meeting will be held immediately proceeding
the next this conference.

   o 14-17 September 2007
   o 20-24 September 2007


To vote, please visit the following web page:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/euroforth/surveys?id=2336981

Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
web site listed above.

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EuroForth 2006 Conference

			 15-17 September 2006

	 Sidney Sussex College, Cambridge University, England.

Conference will open with registration and lunch on Friday, September
15, and continue until Lunch on Sunday, September 17. We will have our
customary formal dinner on Saturday evening, complete with a tour of
Cambridge.

An optional fourth day (Sunday afternoon and Monday morning) is provided
for exhibits and general discussion.

The conference will be proceeded by a Forth 200x Standards Meeting,
starting at 2pm on Thursday, September 14.

This year's conference will also see the first AGM of the EuroForth
Association.

For further details on submitting a paper (refereed or non-refereed)
and/or to register please refer to the web site:

	 http://dec.bournemouth.ac.uk/forth/euro/ef06.html

--
Peter Knaggs

The 22nd EuroForth will be held from September 15-17, 2006 in
Cambridge, England.

Papers about Forth, stack machines, and related topics are
welcome. Please limit paper size to 8 pages.

There are two types of paper you can submit: refereed (academic
stream), or unrefereed (industrial stream).


Dates

      June 28: Deadline for draft papers (academic stream)
               This is a hard deadline (I will be off-line afterwards)
    August 26: Notification of acceptance of academic stream papers
September  4: Deadline for camera-ready paper submission
               (academic and industrial stream)
September 14-15: Forth200x meeting
September 15-17: EuroForth 2006


Submission Instructions

Please submit in Postscript (viewable with ghostscript) or PDF
(viewable with xpdf) format. If you use MS printer drivers to create
the Postscript, please submit the original format in addition to
Postscript/PDF. Put the file(s) on a web server and send the URL
(preferred), or send it as attachment with MIME content-type
"application/postscript", "application/pdf" or
"application/octet-stream", or include the Postscript literally in a
completely unencoded mail (no MIME encodings).

For the final camera-ready copy, the format should be A4 with at least
25mm of margins, unnumbered.


Submission address (for drafts and final version):

Anton Ertl
anton@...
Institut für Computersprachen E185/1
Technische Universität Wien
Argentinierstraße 8/4
A-1040 Wien
Austria


Program Committee (for the refereed track)

Sergey N. Baranov, Motorola ZAO, Russia
M. Anton Ertl, TU Wien (chair)
David Gregg, Trinity College Dublin
Ulrich Hoffmann, Heidelberger Druckmaschinen AG
Phil Koopman, Carnegie Mellon University
Jaanus Pöial, Estonian Information Technology College, Tallinn
Bradford Rodriguez, T-Recursive Technology
Reuben Thomas


Links

This call for papers: http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/euroforth2006/
Conference home page: http://dec.bournemouth.ac.uk/forth/euro/ef06.html

- anton

Hello Federico,

I will arrive at Santander on Friday, 14:50 on Iberia 8866.

Where do I go from there?

:)

Klaus Schleisiek

SEND Signal Elektronik GmbH
Rostocker Str. 20
D-20099 Hamburg
Fon: +49 40 375008-13
Fax: +49 40 375008-93
Web: www.send.de

Forth standards meeting at EuroForth 2005

On 2005-10-20 and 2005-10-21 there will be a Forth standards meeting,
right before EuroForth 2005
<http://personales.unican.es/ceballof/ef05/>. Some of the topics that
we might discuss are:


Proposals for standardisation

Which proposals that have had a CfV should be accepted into the
standard, which ones should be delayed, and which ones should be
rejected (if any)?

About which other topics should there be proposals, and who is going
to write them?

Should new words be put into the established wordsets, or into new
ones? How are the extension-query names reflected in the standard (if
at all)?


Meta stuff

How well is the RfD/CfV process working at generating high-quality
proposals for standardisation and getting information about their
popularity?

What could be improved? Or should we do something completely
different?

Should we run the standard through a standards body like ANSI, ISO,
IEEE, etc.? If so, which one?

Who is going to be the chaiman of the standards committee? Who is
going to be the editor of the standards document?


Please submut additional topics

If you have any other issues that you want to discuss, please mail me
about them.

- anton

The 21st EuroForth Conference will be held from October 20th-24th in
Santander, Spain.

Papers about Forth, stack machines, and related topics are
welcome. Please limit paper size to 8 pages.

DATES

    October 10th   - hard deadline for final camera ready copy.
    October 20th   - Conference 0th day (standards meeting, other topics?).
    October 21st-23rd Main Conference.
    October 24th   - Conference 4th day.

    Please submit abstracts/talk announcements as soon as possible.
    Please register as soon as possible.


SUBMISSION INSTRUCTIONS

Submission address: anton@...

File format: Please submit in Postscript (viewable with ghostscript)
or PDF (viewable with xpdf) format. If you use MS printer drivers to
create the Postscript/PDF, please submit the original format in
addition to Postscript/PDF. Put the file(s) on a web server and send
the URL (preferred), or send it as attachment with MIME content-type
"application/postscript", "application/pdf" or
"application/octet-stream", or include the Postscript literally in a
completely unencoded mail (no MIME encodings).

Abstracts should be submitted as plain text email.

Paper format: The format should be A4 with at least 25mm of margins,
unnumbered.


OTHER INFORMATION

The EuroForth 2005 home page:
<http://personales.unican.es/ceballof/ef05/> with
registration form,  travel information, etc.

The submission page:
<http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/euroforth2005/>
with submission instructions, announced talks etc.

As of this writing, six talks have been announced.

- anton

Klaus Schleisiek wrote:
>
> Hello Federico,
>
> can you confirm that the euro4th conference is happening as announced?

He contacted me yesterday, and yes, it's going to happen.  The
conference home page <http://personales.unican.es/ceballof/ef05/>
contains more information.

- anton

Hello Federico,

can you confirm that the euro4th conference is happening as announced?

The time has come to make flight reservations!

Also, it would be good to receive a registration form and prices.

:)

Klaus Schleisiek

SEND Signal Elektronik GmbH
Rostocker Str. 20
D-20099 Hamburg
Fon: +49 40 375008-13
Fax: +49 40 375008-93
Web: www.send.de

fdeceballos schrieb:
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm posting this message as a preliminary announcement to EuroForth
> 2005, to be held at Santander (Spain), from 20th to 24th October, with
> the following provisional schedule:
>
>    Thu 20th 13:00 - Fri 21st 14:00  Zeroth Day, the Forth 2005
>                                     Standard.
>    Fri 21st 15:00 - Sun 23st 15:00  The conference proper.
>    Sun 23th 15:00 - Mon 24th 15:00  Fourth Day.
>
> Dates (provisional):
>
>    January 3rd    - Official announcement of the Conference.
>                     Designation of the Program Chair (Anton?).
>
>    March 1st      - 1st call for papers.
>                     Designation of the Program Committee.
>                     Opening of the Conference Web Page.
>
>    May 2nd        - 2nd call for papers.
>
>    July 1st       - Last call for papers.
>
>    July 29th      - Deadline for draft papers (academic stream).
>
>    August 19th    - Deadline for abstracts (business/industrial
>                     stream).
>
>    August 31st    - Notification of acceptance of papers.
>
>    September 16th - Deadline for confirmation of attendance and
>                     registrations.
>
>    September 30th - Deadline for final camera ready copy.
>                     Deadline for topics to be discussed during the 0th
>                     day.
>
>    October 20th   - Conference begins.
>
>    October 24th   - Conference ends.
>
> Regards,
>
> Federico de Ceballos

The 21st EuroForth Conference will be held from October 20th-24th in
Santander, Spain.

Papers about Forth, stack machines, and related topics are
welcome. Please limit paper size to 8 pages.


Dates:

    July 29th      - Deadline for draft papers (academic stream).
    August 19th    - Deadline for abstracts (business/industrial stream).
    August 31st    - Notification of acceptance of papers.
    September 16th - Deadline for confirmation of attendance and registrations.
    September 30th - Deadline for final camera ready copy.
                     Deadline for topics to be discussed during the 0th
                     day.
    October 20th   - Conference 0th day (standards meeting, other topics?).
    October 21st-23rd Main Conference.
    October 24th   - Conference 4th day.


Submission instructions

For the draft papers for the refereed stream, please submit in
Postscript (viewable with ghostscript) or PDF (viewable with xpdf). If
you use MS printer drivers to create the Postscript, please submit the
original format in addition to Postscript. Put the file(s) on a web
server and send the URL (preferred), or send it as attachment with
MIME content-type "application/postscript", "application/pdf" or
"application/octet-stream", or include the Postscript literally in a
completely unencoded mail (no MIME encodings).

Abstracts for the non-refereed stream should be submitted as plain
text email.


Submission address for drafts:

Anton Ertl
anton@...
Institut fuer Computersprachen E185/1
Technische Universitaet Wien
Argentinierstrasse 8/4
A-1040 Wien
Austria


Submission address for final version:

To be announced


Program Committee

Sergey N. Baranov, Motorola ZAO, Russia
M. Anton Ertl, TU Wien (chair)
David Gregg, University of Dublin, Trinity College
Phil Koopman, Carnegie Mellon University
Jaanus Pöial, Estonian Information Technology College, Tallinn
Bradford Rodriguez, T-Recursive Technology
Reuben Thomas



You can find further information at the EuroForth 2005 call for papers
page: <http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/euroforth2005/>.

The conference home page does not appear to be up yet.  There is a
preliminary conference home page at
<http://dec.bournemouth.ac.uk/forth/euro/ef05.html>.

- anton

>    * Should we run the standard through a standards body like ANSI,
>      ISO, IEEE, etc.? If so, which one? Opinions were divided on
>      that, but most seemed to agree that we should get going and
>      possibly create a new standards document first, and deal with a
>      standards body later (if at all). It was proposed to defer
>      answering the question for 1 year (12Y:0N:3A). One argument
>      against involving standards bodies is that they want to have an
>      exclusive copyright on the document, so that even the developers
>      of the standards have lose the right to copy and continue to
>      develop it.
>
>
The overhead of dealing with a standards body is *very* high.  Having
gone through the formal standards process with both ANS Forth and Open
Firmware, I don't want to do it ever again.

On the other hand, the process can be helpful for (eventually) gaining
consensus when there are many different opinions represented.

After the Open Firmware Working Group finished the IEEE 1275 core
standard and three subordinate "binding" standards, we stopped using the
official IEEE process for followon work.  Instead, we just used a
lightweight proposal/discussion/publish on the web site approach.  That
worked quite well because the working group was relatively small.  It
probably would not have worked so well if several different companies
were trying to codify different preexisting implementations (which was
the case with ANS Forth).

Another thing to consider is the expense.  The formal standards process
is surprisingly expensive, because of requirements to get broad
participation, to have regular meetings in diverse places, etc.  Full
participation usually ends up requiring company sponsorship to pay for
travel costs, etc.

My overall recommendation is to go the unofficial route.

Best Wishes, and Good Luck,
Mitch Bradley
(past) Vice Chair, ANS Forth Technical Committee
Chair, Open Firmware Working Group

These are two announcements of independent efforts, one for the Forth
200x update of the ANS Forth standard, one is for the CoreForth very
small standard.  If you are interested in one of these efforts (or
both), please join the corresponding mailing list.

Anton Ertl
---------------------- Forth 200x --------------------------------
You can find an HTML version of this on
http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/ansforth/forth200x.html

The short story

A new standards process (Forth 200x) for updating the '94 standard is
underway. It will produce a formal standards document; proposals for
changes to the '94 standard should run through the RfD/CfV process
<http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/ansforth/rfds.html> before
being discussed at the standards meeting. There is now a mailing list
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/forth200x/> for RfDs/CfVs and other
issues related to the Forth 200x effort. The next standards meeting
will be held on the day before EuroForth 2005, i.e., on Oct 20th, 2005
in Santander (Spain). It has not been decided whether an official
standards body (like ISO) will be involved.


The long story

At EuroForth 2004 we had a workshop Forth 2005 about an update of the
Forth standard. There's a picture of the blackboard
<http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/euroforth2004/photos/img_1824.jpg>
(1.3MB) that summarizes the main points. The participants decided to
take some votes, so you see some vote results. Here's the decoded (and
more bandwidth-friendly) form:

     * Should such an effort be done at all? Most people seemed to like
       the idea.

     * Should the new effort only deal with existing practice, or also
       with new ideas?

     * Should we use the RfD/CfV process
       <http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/ansforth/rfds.html> to
       produce semiformal proposals for changes to the standard before
       we decide on the new standard (vote: 13 yes: 0 no: 2 abstain).

     * It turned out that a number of participants do not read Usenet;
       therefore a public moderated mailing list (with a public
       archive) was proposed, and Peter Knaggs volunteered as moderator
       (14Y:0N:1A). The mailing list was created right away: Forth200x,
       and moderation currently happens by getting approved as a member
       of the mailing list (only members are allowed to post). You can
       become a member right away by sending a request to
       forth200x-subscribe@yahoogroups.com or via the mailing list
       homepage <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/forth200x/>. I am not
       yet sure if and how an RfD can be processed in parallel in
       comp.lang.forth and in the mailing list, but I will try it at
       least for those RfDs that I do.

     * Should we run the standard through a standards body like ANSI,
       ISO, IEEE, etc.? If so, which one? Opinions were divided on
       that, but most seemed to agree that we should get going and
       possibly create a new standards document first, and deal with a
       standards body later (if at all). It was proposed to defer
       answering the question for 1 year (12Y:0N:3A). One argument
       against involving standards bodies is that they want to have an
       exclusive copyright on the document, so that even the developers
       of the standards have lose the right to copy and continue to
       develop it.

     * Document format questions and a standards editor. Some people
       favoured starting with the HTML version of the standard and
       sticking with that format, others favoured MS Word (which many
       strongly opposed), some proposed using LaTeX. One argument for
       Word was that it supports change bars which supposedly other
       document formats don't. Finally someone pointed out that the
       editor of the standards document has to be comfortable with the
       document format. Anton Ertl volunteered as editor
       (15Y:0N:0A). One problem with that is that I was also
       volunteered and approved as chairman of the effort, but I guess
       that can be resolved before the editor role becomes active.

     * Should there be a standards meeting? Where and when? We decided
       to have a standards meeting 1 day before the next EuroForth
       (9Y:0N:7A), i.e., on Oct 20th, 2005 in Santander (Spain). The
       standards meeting should only deal with proposals that have run
       through the RfD/CfV process.

     * Anton Ertl was nominated chairman, and should inform the Forth
       community (in the form of the various known formal and informal
       groups) of this effort.


------------------------ CoreForth --------------------------------
There was another workshop at EuroForth 2004, and I was asked to
inform the wider community and invite them to participate in the
resulting effort, so here we go (you have seen some of this in
comp.lang.forth already):

As far as I understand the idea, it's about having a standard for very
small Forth systems that can run on top of hardware cores like Klaus
Schleisiek's uCore or Bernd Paysan's b16, so they can share code for
implementing, e.g., TCP/IP.  This standard is intended to be smaller
than the core wordset of ANS Forth.  For discussing this standard a
mailing list <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/coreForth/> was created.

Note that this effort is independent of the Forth 200x effort (they
may or may not interact).

You can find a picture of the blackboard from this workshop at
http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/euroforth2004/photos/img_1826.jpg
(1.1MB).

Peter Knaggs has done a report on this workshop
<http://dec.bournemouth.ac.uk/forth/euro/ef04/workshops.html#CoreForth>,
but what he writes in some parts differs significantly from what I
remember.
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Hi all,

I'm posting this message as a preliminary announcement to EuroForth
2005, to be held at Santander (Spain), from 20th to 24th October, with
the following provisional schedule:

    Thu 20th 13:00 - Fri 21st 14:00  Zeroth Day, the Forth 2005
                                     Standard.
    Fri 21st 15:00 - Sun 23st 15:00  The conference proper.
    Sun 23th 15:00 - Mon 24th 15:00  Fourth Day.

Dates (provisional):

    January 3rd    - Official announcement of the Conference.
                     Designation of the Program Chair (Anton?).

    March 1st      - 1st call for papers.
                     Designation of the Program Committee.
                     Opening of the Conference Web Page.

    May 2nd        - 2nd call for papers.

    July 1st       - Last call for papers.

    July 29th      - Deadline for draft papers (academic stream).

    August 19th    - Deadline for abstracts (business/industrial
                     stream).

    August 31st    - Notification of acceptance of papers.

    September 16th - Deadline for confirmation of attendance and
                     registrations.

    September 30th - Deadline for final camera ready copy.
                     Deadline for topics to be discussed during the 0th
                     day.

    October 20th   - Conference begins.

    October 24th   - Conference ends.

Regards,

Federico de Ceballos