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Today's Topics:

1. (EVDL) If it is not a NEV, What should we call it?
(dmiles33810@...)
2. Re: (EVDL) If it is not a NEV, What should we call it?
(Seth Rothenberg)
3. Re: (EVDL) If it is not a NEV, What should we call it?
(lcalarea47 @dslextreme.com)
4. Re: Kelly Controller Owners (I DO have a contactor)
(gottdi@...)
5. Re: (EVDL) If it is not a NEV, What should we call it?
(Dave Hymers)
6. Re: (EVDL) If it is not a NEV, What should we call it?
(Willie McKemie)
7. ExxonMobil and Electrovaya launch car program in Baltimore
(Seth Rothenberg)
8. Re: (EVDL) If it is not a NEV, What should we call it?
(Dave Hymers)
9. Seattle charge location (storm connors)
10. Re: Kelly Controller Owners (I DO have a contactor)
(Roger Stockton)
11. Wifi router EV battery tester (David Rowe)
12. Why not drop the other shoe and have an all-electric Volt?
(Ken Fry)
13. Sevcon Calibrator (twokings)
14. Re: (EVDL) If it is not a NEV, What should we call it?
(Seth Rothenberg)
15. Re: Wifi router EV battery tester (Seth Rothenberg)
16. Sion and Lithium Sulphur (Rush)
17. Laguna Seca (Bob Martin)
18. Re: Personal "Plasma Event" (Jim Walls)
19. Re: Sion and Lithium Sulphur (EVDL Administrator)
20. Re: Why not drop the other shoe and have an all-electric
Volt? (Jack Murray)
21. Perfect system: including BMS, charger and controller
(SkyEnergy-Steven)
22. Re: Personal "Plasma Event" (Doug Weathers)
23. Re: Laguna Seca (Will Beckett)
24. Re: 2009, comeback for low rolling resistance tires ? (m gol)
25. Re: Lithium reserves (Ricardo / Obvio !)
26. Re: Sevcon Calibrator (lawlessind@...)
27. Re: 2009, comeback for low rolling resistance tires ?
(Phil Marino)
28. Tachometer and Transmission Issues (Jeff Shanab)
29. Re: ExxonMobil and Electrovaya launch car program in
Baltimore (John Garbarini)
30. Re: 2009, comeback for low rolling resistance tires ?
(Roland Wiench)
31. Very nice Datsun truck for sale. (damon henry)
32. Re: (EVDL) If it is not a NEV, What should we call it?
(Dave Hymers)
33. Re: Sion and Lithium Sulphur (Dave Hymers)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:24:47 -0400
From: dmiles33810@...
Subject: [EVDL] (EVDL) If it is not a NEV, What should we call it?
To: EV@...
Message-ID: <8CBC898BA341382-CDC-113F@...>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed

If it is not a NEV, What should we call it?

Many say and have said that public promotion of golf carts and other
Neighborhood Electric Vehicles confuses the public, and present EVs as
SLOW and Short Ranged vehicles.? Well those vehicles have their place
but I don't need one at this time!

Not far south of Tampa FL. is a "Sun-City" development for adults over
55 years old. Hundreds of homes with lawn service provided or
available, a nice shopping center with several major retailers, and a
medical / fitness center with a gym and over 10 doctors. Special lanes
are provided for NEVs next to and crossing all streets and highways.
Almost every home has a golf cart with roof and rain curtains. Many are
Gasoline, some are electric. Every home also seems to have an
automobile [gas] also. Several dealers sell golf cars [a powered golf
cart is properly termed a golf car!] with customized bodies to look
like classic vehicles, mostly front and rear additions to suggest [as a
caricature of a car] a cute appearance.? There is a place for NEVs. In
"The Villages,"? "Top of the World," "Sun City," and others of that
ilk. Along with "Geriatric Scooters" at the mall and shopping inside
the larger stores.? But do not confuse them with EV Highway Cruisers [
as I call them to accentuate the difference!] Minimum Sixty MPH? and
Fifty Mile Range is NO NEV!
Just because I call them "EV Highway Cr
uisers," doesn't make that the
best term, I invite all of you to help improve our Public Image and
Media Perception of our vehicles. Let us? define a better term if
possible for our EVs a few I have dreamed up are :

EV Highway Cruiser

EMF Car? [Electric Motive Force Car]

Electric Cruiser

Electric Runabouts

Highway EV

Pure Electric Car? [not a hybrid]

High Tension Traction Vehicle??? [High Tension is High Voltage...]

High Voltage Car

Steinmetz Technology Vehicle? [STV] [Steinmetz was the mathematician
who devised formulas
?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
for making motors and generators. ]

What can you call your EV that will impress your neighbor and leave no
doubt that you can drive up a hill or cruise down the highway!? Would a
French, Italian, German, Latin or Spanish term work? Please , let us
make this step to improve our image.? Feedback desired, chose the best
one from above or devise a better term. Then, since I read every
posting, I will try to compile the results...

Dennis Miles? EVtrainingCenter? Lakeland, FL





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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 15:32:50 -0400
From: Seth Rothenberg <nevjersey@...>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] (EVDL) If it is not a NEV, What should we call it?
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@...>
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

I refer to my project as one of
these you listed:
Highway EV
Pure Electric Car
It will certainly help for me
to get it on the road....
and one day to make it my daily driver.



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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:03:02 -0700
From: "lcalarea47 @dslextreme.com" <lcalarea47@...>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] (EVDL) If it is not a NEV, What should we call it?
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@...>
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

hi has anyone converted a ford think/ chrysler gem conversion nev ?? ie
stuff more batteries [amps ] larger controller / motor ? larger tires
perhaps . i notice on ebay a place is selling just the frame from a
Chrysler gem , built sturdy all alluiminium frame plus are built to ie codes
for on road legal use unlike a golf cart .lonnie

On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 12:24 PM, <dmiles33810@...> wrote:

> If it is not a NEV, What should we call it?
>
> Many say and have said that public promotion of golf carts and other
> Neighborhood Electric Vehicles confuses the public, and present EVs as
> SLOW and Short Ranged vehicles. Well those vehicles have their place
> but I don't need one at this time!
>
> Not far south of Tampa FL. is a "Sun-City" development for adults over
> 55 years old. Hundreds of homes with lawn service provided or
> available, a nice shopping center with several major retailers, and a
> medical / fitness center with a gym and over 10 doctors. Special lanes
> are provided for NEVs next to and crossing all streets and highways.
> Almost every home has a golf cart with roof and rain curtains. Many are
> Gasoline, some are electric. Every home also seems to have an
> automobile [gas] also. Several dealers sell golf cars [a powered golf
> cart is properly termed a golf car!] with customized bodies to look
> like classic vehicles, mostly front and rear additions to suggest [as a
> caricature of a car] a cute appearance. There is a place for NEVs. In
> "The Villages," "Top of the World," "Sun City," and others of that
> ilk. Along with "Geriatric Scooters" at the mall and shopping inside
> the larger stores. But do not confuse them with EV Highway Cruisers [
> as I call them to accentuate the difference!] Minimum Sixty MPH and
> Fifty Mile Range is NO NEV!
> Just because I call them "EV Highway Cr
> uisers," doesn't make that the
> best term, I invite all of you to help improve our Public Image and
> Media Perception of our vehicles. Let us define a better term if
> possible for our EVs a few I have dreamed up are :
>
> EV Highway Cruiser
>
> EMF Car [Electric Motive Force Car]
>
> Electric Cruiser
>
> Electric Runabouts
>
> Highway EV
>
> Pure Electric Car [not a hybrid]
>
> High Tension Traction Vehicle [High Tension is High Voltage...]
>
> High Voltage Car
>
> Steinmetz Technology Vehicle [STV] [Steinmetz was the mathematician
> who devised formulas
>
> for making motors and generators. ]
>
> What can you call your EV that will impress your neighbor and leave no
> doubt that you can drive up a hill or cruise down the highway! Would a
> French, Italian, German, Latin or Spanish term work? Please , let us
> make this step to improve our image. Feedback desired, chose the best
> one from above or devise a better term. Then, since I read every
> posting, I will try to compile the results...
>
> Dennis Miles EVtrainingCenter Lakeland, FL
>
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:18:52 -0700
From: gottdi@...
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Kelly Controller Owners (I DO have a contactor)
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@...>
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Joel,

Maybe it was not anything you did at all. Maybe it just died. It is an
electronic component and it can JUST die.

Good that Kelly stood by their product. They have always been good
about that.


Pete :)





On Jul 1, 2009, at 11:22 AM, Joel Sell wrote:

> Ah, more confusion. I don't have a 120V charger. I have 10 12V
> chargers on board. 20 6v sam's club golf cart batteries, 2 batteries
> per charger. So the emergency cut off switch doesn't effect the
> charging (I think).
> The pre-charge resistor. Funny how the Kelly manual requires it
> (they even include it with the controller)....
> Lonnie- No red light. No green light. Nothing. DEAD.
> In the spirit of full disclosure, Kelly replaced the controller, no
> questions asked. They had no suggestions on how this could have
> happened. I just want to figure out what happened so I can keep it
> from happening again, although I think the best answer I'm going to
> get is one I already know- get a Curtis or a Zilla.
> Joel in Philly
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:19:38 -0700
From: Dave Hymers <dhymers@...>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] (EVDL) If it is not a NEV, What should we call it?
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@...>
Message-ID:
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Domestically powered transportation.
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 15:44:18 -0500
From: Willie McKemie <mckemie@...>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] (EVDL) If it is not a NEV, What should we call it?
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@...>
Message-ID: <20090701204418.GA12158@c25>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

On Wed, Jul 01, 2009 at 01:19:38PM -0700, Dave Hymers wrote:
> Domestically powered transportation.

I see that as a "bicycle built for two" with my wife peddling while I
view the countryside. OK, OK, I know you mean powered by energy
produced in the USA.

--
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http://counter.li.org Linux registered user #228836 since 1995
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 16:50:18 -0400
From: Seth Rothenberg <nevjersey@...>
Subject: [EVDL] ExxonMobil and Electrovaya launch car program in
Baltimore
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@...>
Message-ID:
<e80545a50907011350n151bd530s7ef5f91732b6354@...>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252

It's not hot off the presses, but I don't think I saw it posted yet.
A friend sent me this.....

June 23, 2009

Today ExxonMobilNaN took another important step in meeting the world?s
growing energy needs by announcing the sponsorship of an all-electric
car-sharing and rental program, called AltCar, at the Maryland Science
CenterNaN in Baltimore, MD

Full article @
http://www.exxonmobil.com/Corporate/news_features_20090623_electrovaya.aspx



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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:56:04 -0700
From: Dave Hymers <dhymers@...>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] (EVDL) If it is not a NEV, What should we call it?
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@...>
Message-ID:
<ec811c3f0907011356p24d89bdeq4c40d58518f6598a@...>
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Or really domestically produced from your home solar array :)
Yeah, thats what I was getting at.
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 17:11:16 -0400
From: storm connors <stormconnors@...>
Subject: [EVDL] Seattle charge location
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@...>
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Seattle airport parking area SeaTacPark is offering plug ins for electric cars.
http://www.seatacpark.com/news-go-green.aspx



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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 14:13:28 -0700
From: Roger Stockton <rstockton@...>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Kelly Controller Owners (I DO have a contactor)
To: "'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'" <ev@...>
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Joel Sell wrote:

> Ah, more confusion. I don't have a 120V charger. I have 10
> 12V chargers on board. 20 6v sam's club golf cart batteries,
> 2 batteries per charger. So the emergency cut off switch
> doesn't effect the charging (I think).

OK; with this configuration you can indeed charge with the disconnect open
(provided it is between two of the chargers rather than between a pair of
batteries tended by a single charger).

> The pre-charge resistor. Funny how the Kelly manual requires
> it (they even include it with the controller)....

The cynic in me says this is what happens when non-EVers build controllers. It
wouldn't surprise me greatly if Kelly had based their connection diagrams *very*
closely after those Curtis provides (for their industrial applications).

A permanently connected precharge resistor is tolerable in a low-voltage system
(think industrial vehicle), but is definitely not a recommended practice for
igher-voltage/on-road EVs.

> Lonnie- No red light. No green light. Nothing. DEAD.
> In the spirit of full disclosure, Kelly replaced the
> controller, no questions asked. They had no suggestions on
> how this could have happened. I just want to figure out what
> happened so I can keep it from happening again, although I
> think the best answer I'm going to?get is one I already know-
> get a Curtis or a Zilla.

Getting a different make of controller isn't necessarily going to help.

All controllers use parts that have maximum voltage limits that must be
respected; switching to a controller with higher voltage-rated parts may keep
you from killing the controller from over-voltage, at least until you increase
the pack voltage to take advantage of the higher controller ratings... ;^>

I am fairly confident that what happened is that you killed the controller by
subjecting it to voltage in excess of its ratings while charging.

I would suggest *not* opening the emergency disconnect while charging. I would
also suggest that you either install a second contactor on the other side of the
pack than the main contactor or install an appropriately rated relay in series
with the precharge resistor. Whichever of these you choose, simply wire it so
it turns on as soon as the ignition key is turned on.

This will ensure that your controller never sees the charge voltage.

Cheers,

Roger.



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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 08:28:07 +0930
From: David Rowe <david@...>
Subject: [EVDL] Wifi router EV battery tester
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@...>
Message-ID: <1246489087.6259.58.camel@localhost>
Content-Type: text/plain

Hi,

I have been messing around with a battery AH tester based on a Wifi
router for data collection and control, and $2 PIC microcontroller
board. I have blogged on it here:

http://www.rowetel.com/blog/?p=119

Cheers,

David




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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 19:29:49 -0400
From: "Ken Fry" <kenfry@...>
Subject: [EVDL] Why not drop the other shoe and have an all-electric
Volt?
To: <ev@...>
Message-ID: <000001c9faa3$d5741e60$0201a8c0@gaia>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I think that the problem with an all-electric Volt is simply an
unacceptable cost/benefit ratio: you would pay far more and get far less
utility. In the vehicle I am developing, (see www.gaiatransport.com
<http://www.gaiatransport.com/> ) I made the same decision that Chevy
made, that being: the only realistic route to full-electric vehicles as
a mass market item, is via PHEVs... because only with the volume
possible with PHEVs can high quality battery prices start to come down
to the $200/kWh that can make a mass market BEV feasible. Remember that
the mass market is happy with Ford F150's and full size Honda Accords
(double the weight of my first one). The mass market is not Prius
buyers (even though owning one means no sacrifices whatsoever) and is
certainly not electric vehicle buyers (who accept very large sacrifices
in purchase cost and convenience). Consider something simple, like a
nice one day drive up the California coast. Sorry, not in a Tesla, let
alone something designed for 100 mile range.

Batteries are too expensive for a mass market BEV with long range, mid
size, and good performance. Make a BEV of a Volt, with true,
repeatable, realistic 100 mile range (let alone anything greater) and
you have $20,000 in batteries alone (40kWh), even if you buy the cheap
ones we can get for $500/kWh from China. (Use 70% of a Tesla pack, and
you have $40,000 in batteries/bms alone.) So you'd end up with a very
expensive, limited utility economy car, the cost of which you can never
justify on the basis on gas savings, and which couldn't begin to compete
with an ordinary Prius in the marketplace. For the country at large,
electricity is generated at 38% well-to-plug efficiency and mainly from
coal, so the Prius (at 38% engine efficiency and 82% well-to-pump
gasoline efficiency) is comparably clean, but a fraction the price of a
Volt in BEV form. A Volt BEV could not compete even with a Prius, let
alone with Accord or a Camry. (Even Prius sales are off 61% this May vs
last May, with people unwilling to pay what they see as a premium over
an economy car.) The Prius no longer shows up on the best selling 20
light vehicles list, which is still headed by the Ford F-series. The
mass market wants perceived value, and big and flashy trumps
environmental concerns.

Contrast this with the Volt, as designed. Although at $40,000 with its
small battery pack it is probably too expensive, perhaps people can be
convinced that it has enough virtues to sell well. (At $22,000 it could
sell like hotcakes.) 90% of all commuters would never use any gasoline,
getting all the benefits of a full electric car, such as the potential
for charging on clean power, in the places where that is available,
without the worries about range. (Tell me these worries are unfounded
when you are five miles from the hospital with a dead battery pack and
your wife in labor.) For the rest of the country, you charge on the
grid mix, which is still somewhat better environmentally than using
gasoline, but almost universally cheaper. Many people will find that
prospect very appealing... some, even if the cost is $35,000 or $40,000
- at which price, you would never save enough on fuel to warrant the
cost, but you will be doing your part to help usher in future electric
vehicles.

The idea of the Volt (as designed) is just right, I think, although the
price is too high. GM could price it lower if they produce their own
batteries (which they have planned to do), and take the long view. They
have no history of taking the long view, though.

For my own vehicle, PHEV is the only way I can make an economy car that
is priced like an economy car. Making the car efficient enough to be
able to use a very small battery pack means that it holds just two
people rather than the whole family, and it can't tow a boat. But I
think there is a small market for a vehicle that gets one person back
and forth to work on electricity with minimal environmental impact, that
does not consume the huge quantities of resources in production that any
large vehicle (electric or otherwise) does, that avoids range anxiety,
that can be driven across the country, that doesn't suffer the safety
weaknesses of most very small cars, and carries the price of a small car
rather than the price of a Mercedes.

If the Volt were $22,000 I'd have a harder time selling my cars, and
Toyota would have a hard time selling Priuses.

Cheers, Ken


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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 16:56:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: twokings <twokings23@...>
Subject: [EVDL] Sevcon Calibrator
To: ev@...
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I have a Columbia Par Car golf cart. Looking for some help. I bought the
Calibrator Sevcontrol, part #662/14036 to adjust the speed. My Sevcon
controler is part # 633t45303. Par Car uses a pass code to use the
Calibrator a 4 digit number code, and I cannot seem to find anyone who will
help me with this code. Anyone out there familiar with this Calibrator,
please contact me.


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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 21:53:26 -0400
From: Seth Rothenberg <nevjersey@...>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] (EVDL) If it is not a NEV, What should we call it?
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@...>
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

It doesn't specifically convey highway speeds, but
I think of it as a Green car. Right now, dark green.
My plan is to paint it green : (0x) 00FF00

I found engine paint at the parts store this color,
so that's on the radar now for the interior.

(I had a wheel well repaired by a body guy,
and I told him, make it neat, it's going to be a show car....
I can dream, can't I?)
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 22:03:09 -0400
From: Seth Rothenberg <nevjersey@...>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Wifi router EV battery tester
To: david@..., Electric Vehicle Discussion List
<ev@...>
Message-ID:
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David,
very cool stuff.

I just got my freerunner(s) back from Buzz Fix land,
I am considering using one as a speedometer.
(I got tangogps to auto-start)

and my quick brain just realized that I could
configure it to automatically sync when
it detects my home network.

(FreeRunner is a linux phone that does
everything but make calls - and that
probably works by now :-)

GPS
wifi
GSM
gprs data (internet) (someday)
accellerometer
stero phone jack
USB (sort of :-)
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 18:12:53 -0700
From: "Rush" <Rush@...>
Subject: [EVDL] Sion and Lithium Sulphur
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@...>
Message-ID: <041901c9fab2$3fccd140$6401a8c0@5thwheel>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original

Someone asked me about Sion here in Tucson and the Lithium Sulphur batteries
that they are producing. Can anybody give me some info about the battery
chemistry as compared to Lithium Ions?

All the info that I can find from a google search seem to indicate that the
watt density is much better, but the cycling is way down, around 300. I
remember seeing a PBS show about the fact that most of the lithium is owned
by Brazil (I think) and that it might be a problem buying such a large
quantity needed for mass production.

Any info would be helpful, TIA

Rush
Tucson AZ




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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 21:01:19 -0700
From: "Bob Martin" <bobcat.martin@...>
Subject: [EVDL] Laguna Seca
To: <ev@...>
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Is anybody planning to attend the EV event at Laguna Seca on July 18th. As I
understand, EV's have been invited to run Solo 1 (one vehicle at a time for lap
time). Bikes, GoKarts, Cars, Electrathon Vehicles...See Ya'll there! Bob
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 21:59:40 -0700
From: Jim Walls <jim@...>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Personal "Plasma Event"
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Someone posted:
> I have never used these but here is a link I had on some:
> http://www.cementexusa.com/index.php


Those look like the ones we have at work. Very pricey, but GREAT! We
are using them for 48V station batteries for 2-way radio sites. A small
battery plant is about 750AH, and our largest is currently 2700AH. In
case you are wondering, that's 15 strings in parallel with each string
consisting of 4 12V 180AH gell type telecomm batteries. Total is over 2
tons of battery.

BTW, we had had our primary power tech have a plasma event last year.
He was adding 3 additional 180AH 48V banks to an existing battery
plant. Did a boo-boo and shorted one of those new banks with a 2 foot
piece of 2AWG. Scared the hell out of me when he called me on the radio
and said that he needed me to call paramedics. He ended up getting to
know the folks at the Grossman Burn Center near Los Angeles, CA far
better than he would have liked. Was off work for 3 weeks too. That
was strictly from the flash - NOT from electricity going through his finger.

BTW, in another followup message on this thread it was suggested to wear
the disposable nitrile gloves. Although they should have no trouble
stopping low to moderate voltage, in the event of a flash, the glove
would likely melt - INSTANTLY. So now your finger is burned and covered
with melted glove material. A lightweight leather or Nomex glove might
be better. However as someone pointed out, make sure it's light enough
that you retain your dexterity.


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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 01:07:11 -0400
From: "EVDL Administrator" <evpost@...>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Sion and Lithium Sulphur
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@...>
Message-ID: <4A4C083F.19888.3606AC48@...>

On 1 Jul 2009 at 18:12, Rush wrote:

> Can anybody give me some info about the [lithium-sulfur] battery
> chemistry as compared to Lithium Ions?

Does this help?

http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html#nabble-to19132472%7Ca19132472

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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 22:30:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jack Murray <jack@...>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Why not drop the other shoe and have an
all-electric Volt?
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Hi Ken, looks like a cool car/scooter!
Agree with your analysis mostly. As I've said many times, the way to make EV's
affordable and mass-market is to use small batteries, as they are the most
expensive part of EV. If we can have ubiquitous fast-charge stations, it would
work today for most cities. For long-distance, you must remember that 10-15hp
works on flat ground, try going over the grapevine with a 50cc engine.
I'd like to see some evidence of the crash worthiness at 70mph of that little
car.
Cheers, Jack

--- On Wed, 7/1/09, Ken Fry <kenfry@...> wrote:

> From: Ken Fry <kenfry@...>
> Subject: [EVDL] Why not drop the other shoe and have an all-electric Volt?
> To: ev@...
> Date: Wednesday, July 1, 2009, 4:29 PM
> I think that the problem with an
> all-electric Volt is simply an
> unacceptable cost/benefit ratio: you would pay far more and
> get far less
> utility.? In the vehicle I am developing, (see
> www.gaiatransport.com
> <http://www.gaiatransport.com/> ) I made the same
> decision that Chevy
> made, that being: the only realistic route to full-electric
> vehicles as
> a mass market item, is via PHEVs... because only with the
> volume
> possible with PHEVs can high quality battery prices start
> to come down
> to the $200/kWh that can make a mass market BEV
> feasible.? Remember that
> the mass market is happy with Ford F150's and full size
> Honda Accords
> (double the weight of my first one).? The mass market
> is not Prius
> buyers (even though owning one means no sacrifices
> whatsoever) and is
> certainly not electric vehicle buyers (who accept very
> large sacrifices
> in purchase cost and convenience).? Consider something
> simple, like a
> nice one day drive up the California coast.? Sorry,
> not in a Tesla, let
> alone something designed for 100 mile range.? ?
> ? ? ?
>
> Batteries are too expensive for a mass market BEV with long
> range, mid
> size, and good performance.? Make a BEV of a Volt,
> with true,
> repeatable, realistic 100 mile range (let alone anything
> greater) and
> you have $20,000 in batteries alone (40kWh), even if you
> buy the cheap
> ones we can get for $500/kWh from China.? (Use 70% of
> a Tesla pack, and
> you have $40,000 in batteries/bms alone.)? So you'd
> end up with a very
> expensive, limited utility economy car, the cost of which
> you can never
> justify on the basis on gas savings, and which couldn't
> begin to compete
> with an ordinary Prius in the marketplace.? For the
> country at large,
> electricity is generated at 38% well-to-plug efficiency and
> mainly from
> coal, so the Prius (at 38% engine efficiency and 82%
> well-to-pump
> gasoline efficiency) is comparably clean, but a fraction
> the price of a
> Volt in BEV form.? A Volt BEV could not compete even
> with a Prius, let
> alone with Accord or a Camry.? (Even Prius sales are
> off 61% this May vs
> last May, with people unwilling to pay what they see as a
> premium over
> an economy car.)? The Prius no longer shows up on the
> best selling 20
> light vehicles list, which is still headed by the Ford
> F-series.? The
> mass market wants perceived value, and big and flashy
> trumps
> environmental concerns.?
>
> Contrast this with the Volt, as designed.? Although at
> $40,000 with its
> small battery pack it is probably too expensive, perhaps
> people can be
> convinced that it has enough virtues to sell well.?
> (At $22,000 it could
> sell like hotcakes.)? 90% of all commuters would never
> use any gasoline,
> getting all the benefits of a full electric car, such as
> the potential
> for charging on clean power, in the places where that is
> available,
> without the worries about range.? (Tell me these
> worries are unfounded
> when you are five miles from the hospital with a dead
> battery pack and
> your wife in labor.)? For the rest of the country, you
> charge on the
> grid mix, which is still somewhat better environmentally
> than using
> gasoline, but almost universally cheaper.? Many people
> will find that
> prospect very appealing... some, even if the cost is
> $35,000 or $40,000
> - at which price, you would never save enough on fuel to
> warrant the
> cost, but you will be doing your part to help usher in
> future electric
> vehicles.???
>
> The idea of the Volt (as designed) is just right, I think,
> although the
> price is too high.? GM could price it lower if they
> produce their own
> batteries (which they have planned to do), and take the
> long view.? They
> have no history of taking the long view,
> though.???
>
> For my own vehicle, PHEV is the only way I can make an
> economy car that
> is priced like an economy car.? Making the car
> efficient enough to be
> able to use a very small battery pack means that it holds
> just two
> people rather than the whole family, and it can't tow a
> boat.? But I
> think there is a small market for a vehicle that gets one
> person back
> and forth to work on electricity with minimal environmental
> impact, that
> does not consume the huge quantities of resources in
> production that any
> large vehicle (electric or otherwise) does, that avoids
> range anxiety,
> that can be driven across the country, that doesn't suffer
> the safety
> weaknesses of most very small cars, and carries the price
> of a small car
> rather than the price of a Mercedes.?
>
> If the Volt were $22,000 I'd have a harder time selling my
> cars, and
> Toyota would have a hard time selling Priuses.?
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 22:38:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: SkyEnergy-Steven <skyenergy.steven@...>
Subject: [EVDL] Perfect system: including BMS, charger and controller
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I think it needs a whole system, including BMS,charger,controller.

BMS can control the voltage of the batteries, also can control the charger
and controller.

Charger with good quality must has the CAN Bus, can communicate with BMS.

Controller must has the CAN Bus too, can communicate with BMS. When the
voltage of the battery is low, the BMS can "inform" the controller
outputting lower power.

Though, all the eqiumpents each has CAN Bus and can communicate with each
other, can work best together.

As I know, almost nobody knows why a controller needs a CAN Bus. :)

Above is I heard from a engineer who are working in a BMS factory.

But now, I can only provide the good battery, BMS. But the controller with
CAN Bus, I don't know who has it.
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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 23:45:18 -0600
From: Doug Weathers <dougw@...>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Personal "Plasma Event"
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@...>
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Here's Neon John talking about gloves from last year:

<http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html#nabble-to18448668%7Ca18461034>

Warning: he links to a picture of someone who got electrocuted. Don't
click on it unless you want to see a human being who burned to death.

I think the advice boils down to: wear three layers of PVC exam gloves,
or lineman's gloves if you actually need to handle live wires.

--
Doug Weathers
Las Cruces, NM, USA
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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 23:37:32 -0700
From: "Will Beckett" <will@...>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Laguna Seca
To: "'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'" <ev@...>
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Thanks for sending the message Bob. I will be there with the t-Zero.

- Will Beckett
Aptos, CA? 95003
(831) 688-8669
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Of Bob Martin
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 9:01 PM
To: ev@...
Subject: [EVDL] Laguna Seca

Is anybody planning to attend the EV event at Laguna Seca on July 18th. As I
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Message: 24
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 00:18:56 -0800
From: m gol <gol.m86@...>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] 2009, comeback for low rolling resistance tires ?
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@...>
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Hey thanks for the links.

Got any ideas where I can get some light weight 14" rims for a Geo Metro?

On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Ricky Suiter <ricksuiter@...> wrote:

>
> There certainly has been a resurgence in LRR tires in the last two months.
> I needed a set of new tires for my Saturn conversion and bugged Bridgestone
> continuously to bring their new Ecopia EP100 tire here, but the answer was
> only "it's not intended for the US market." Two months after I bought new
> Michelins they begin selling them. Here's a few of what they are offering
> specifically for LRR:
>
> Bridgestone Ecopia EP100:
>
>
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Bridgestone&tireModel=Ecopia+EP\
100
>
> Ecopia EP20 just showed up recently as an OEM Prius replacement tire:
>
>
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Bridgestone&tireModel=Ecopia+EP\
20
>
> Ecopia EP-02 is the Rav4 EV tire that has been around all along:
>
>
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Bridgestone&tireModel=Ecopia+EP\
-02
>
> Goodyear Assurance Fuel Max, they've actually been running TV commercials
> for this tire:
>
>
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Goodyear&tireModel=Assurance+Fu\
el+Max
>
> Michelin Energy Saver. All their "Energy" line of tires are supposed to be
> LRR and I have a set of Energy MXV4S8's on my Saturn. I'm happy with it, but
> they are heavy tires:
>
>
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=Energy+Saver\
+A%2FS
>
> They also make a version of the Hydroedge in LRR:
>
>
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=HydroEdge+wi\
th+Green+X
>
> If you'd asked about this last year you would have only had a few sparse
> choices, but now it's definitely a competition.
>
>
> Regards,
> Rick
> 92 Saturn SC Conversion
> AZ Alt Fuel Plates "ZEROGAS"
>
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
> I was reading a magazine that had a blurb abut the 2009 F-150 truck
> which has a "SFE" version fords "super fuel economy" version.
> One thing that caught my eye was the use of low rolling resistance tires
> and in larger sizes.
>
> "18-inch chrome clad aluminum wheels
> <http://www.autospies.com/news/2009-Ford-F150-SFE-34918/#>with low
> rolling resistance P265/60R18 all-season tires."
> and apparently there is a 20" option too for those bling addicts that
> want a heavier rim to totally offset the low rolling resistance.
>
> Not very low profile but a bit of googleing and we see the GM has it's
> "XFE" "eXtra fuel economy" line to match. (sheesh more TLA's)
> They have goodyear and conti's in 15" size for the cobalt for example.
>
> The phrases that worry me are "worked with the tire manufacturer to
> create a tire especially for the cobalt".; which could mean we can't buy
> them.
>
> But here is hoping that low rolling resistance tires will gain enough
> momentum to tip the scales and make a comeback.
> I want to rolling resistance standards posted on the tire along with the
> treadwear and traction ratings :-)
>
> Funny are how many blog entries there are saying "low rolling resistance
> = unstable or unsafe in any inclement weather " and none about fair
> weather braking differences.
>
> Don't worry, I know lower rolling resistance doesn't automatically mean
> less traction.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 25
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:29:11 -0300
From: "Ricardo / Obvio !" <ricardo@...>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Lithium reserves
To: "'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'" <ev@...>
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Dear Rush:

Sorry, I don't know about Sion.

But regarding the world's large Lithium reserves, USA have 3,8%, Bolivia
50,5%, Chile 28,1% Brasil 1,3% and China 10,3%.

In Latin America, Brasil is the largest producer of auto parts, with big
industrial park and all infrastructure - 85% of all energy is hydro-electric
- and many battery companies from USA, China and Japan are dealing to open
facilities here - there's a common market for South America, named Merco Sul
- in order to produce/export and also to sell in the future market of EV?s
in Brasil and Mexico.

Ricardo
Rio de Janeiro



-----Original Message-----
From: ev-bounces@... [mailto:ev-bounces@...] On Behalf
Of Rush
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 10:13 PM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: [EVDL] Sion and Lithium Sulphur

Someone asked me about Sion here in Tucson and the Lithium Sulphur batteries
that they are producing. Can anybody give me some info about the battery
chemistry as compared to Lithium Ions?

All the info that I can find from a google search seem to indicate that the
watt density is much better, but the cycling is way down, around 300. I
remember seeing a PBS show about the fact that most of the lithium is owned
by Brazil (I think) and that it might be a problem buying such a large
quantity needed for mass production.

Any info would be helpful, TIA

Rush
Tucson AZ


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Message: 26
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 07:38:40 -0400
From: lawlessind@...
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Sevcon Calibrator
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Did you try 2 up 2 down 2 up 2 down?

Shawn


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From: twokings <twokings23@...>
To: ev@...
Sent: Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:56 pm
Subject: [EVDL] Sevcon Calibrator



I have a Columbia Par Car golf cart. Looking for some help. I bought
the
Calibrator Sevcontrol, part #662/14036 to adjust the speed. My Sevcon
controler is part # 633t45303. Par Car uses a pass code to use the
Calibrator a 4 digit number code, and I cannot seem to find anyone who
will
help me with this code. Anyone out there familiar with this Calibrator,
please contact me.


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Message: 27
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 08:45:04 -0400
From: Phil Marino <phil42277@...>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] 2009, comeback for low rolling resistance tires ?
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@...>
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I wouldn't worry too much about rim weight. It might be easier ( and
cheaper) to save weight elsewhere. The difference between stock steel rims
and expensive aluminum rims is not generally very much. And, the "rolling
inertia" effect of rims is fairly small ( despite common thinking on this).
Phil Marino
Rochester, NY

On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 4:18 AM, m gol <gol.m86@...> wrote:

> Hey thanks for the links.
>
> Got any ideas where I can get some light weight 14" rims for a Geo Metro?
>
> On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Ricky Suiter <ricksuiter@...>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > There certainly has been a resurgence in LRR tires in the last two
> months.
> > I needed a set of new tires for my Saturn conversion and bugged
> Bridgestone
> > continuously to bring their new Ecopia EP100 tire here, but the answer
> was
> > only "it's not intended for the US market." Two months after I bought new
> > Michelins they begin selling them. Here's a few of what they are offering
> > specifically for LRR:
> >
> > Bridgestone Ecopia EP100:
> >
> >
>
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Bridgestone&tireModel=Ecopia+EP\
100
> >
> > Ecopia EP20 just showed up recently as an OEM Prius replacement tire:
> >
> >
>
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Bridgestone&tireModel=Ecopia+EP\
20
> >
> > Ecopia EP-02 is the Rav4 EV tire that has been around all along:
> >
> >
>
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Bridgestone&tireModel=Ecopia+EP\
-02
> >
> > Goodyear Assurance Fuel Max, they've actually been running TV commercials
> > for this tire:
> >
> >
>
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Goodyear&tireModel=Assurance+Fu\
el+Max
> >
> > Michelin Energy Saver. All their "Energy" line of tires are supposed to
> be
> > LRR and I have a set of Energy MXV4S8's on my Saturn. I'm happy with it,
> but
> > they are heavy tires:
> >
> >
>
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=Energy+Saver\
+A%2FS
> >
> > They also make a version of the Hydroedge in LRR:
> >
> >
>
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=HydroEdge+wi\
th+Green+X
> >
> > If you'd asked about this last year you would have only had a few sparse
> > choices, but now it's definitely a competition.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Rick
> > 92 Saturn SC Conversion
> > AZ Alt Fuel Plates "ZEROGAS"
> >
> >
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> > I was reading a magazine that had a blurb abut the 2009 F-150 truck
> > which has a "SFE" version fords "super fuel economy" version.
> > One thing that caught my eye was the use of low rolling resistance tires
> > and in larger sizes.
> >
> > "18-inch chrome clad aluminum wheels
> > <http://www.autospies.com/news/2009-Ford-F150-SFE-34918/#>with low
> > rolling resistance P265/60R18 all-season tires."
> > and apparently there is a 20" option too for those bling addicts that
> > want a heavier rim to totally offset the low rolling resistance.
> >
> > Not very low profile but a bit of googleing and we see the GM has it's
> > "XFE" "eXtra fuel economy" line to match. (sheesh more TLA's)
> > They have goodyear and conti's in 15" size for the cobalt for example.
> >
> > The phrases that worry me are "worked with the tire manufacturer to
> > create a tire especially for the cobalt".; which could mean we can't buy
> > them.
> >
> > But here is hoping that low rolling resistance tires will gain enough
> > momentum to tip the scales and make a comeback.
> > I want to rolling resistance standards posted on the tire along with the
> > treadwear and traction ratings :-)
> >
> > Funny are how many blog entries there are saying "low rolling resistance
> > = unstable or unsafe in any inclement weather " and none about fair
> > weather braking differences.
> >
> > Don't worry, I know lower rolling resistance doesn't automatically mean
> > less traction.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Message: 28
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 06:24:35 -0700
From: Jeff Shanab <jshanab@...>
Subject: [EVDL] Tachometer and Transmission Issues
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>
> I have 2 issues with my 65 Datsun Pickup that I hope someone can help
> with.
> First is with my tachometer.
> Purchased the 3" electric tach, sensor, and magnetic collar from
> EVparts.
> When I step on the accelerator, it immediately buries the tach at the
> maximum 7000 rpm.
> As I continue to accelerate, it stays at 7000 rpm.
> If I let off the accelerator, it drops back to what seems to be a more
> correct reading; 2000 - 2500 rpm.
> Press on the accelerator again, and it buries at 7000 rpm.
> I adjusted the sensor spacing out and in from the magnetic collar, and
> it seemed to make no difference.
>
> Second is with my transmission, or adaptor, or ?
> First and reverse gears are very noisy when accelerating. Kind of a
> grating, rubbing sound.
> 2nd, 3rd, 4th are very smooth and quiet.
> Could this be normal for these gears, or some other problem.
> Also seem to get a grating sound when slowing down to a stop in any
> gear.
> Don't know if this is the same issue, or if it could be the brakes, or ?
>
>
> Can any of the old Datsun people shed any light on this.
> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Dennis
> Elsberry, MO
> http://www.evalbum.com/1366
>

My guess on the tack is it counts pulses and noise during acceleration
is being interpreted as more pulses and pegging the tach
Perhaps a pi filter?
May be difficult because of the wide range the tach operates in.
Get an AM radio and tune it between stations and take a test drive.
Use shielded cable grounded at only one end.
BTW, What controller do you have?

The transmission noise, well first and reverse are often the first to
wear out, reverse becasue it is a narrow gear for it's light use and
first because it has the highest torque multiplication. Perhaps if you
were running it as an ICE before, you just couldn't hear it?
How is the alignment?
How is it connected, some transmission had some float on the input
shaft that your adapter may not be handleing properly.



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Message: 29
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:32:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Garbarini <johnlg_2000@...>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] ExxonMobil and Electrovaya launch car program in
Baltimore
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@...>
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Seth-
Exxonmobil? You know that's a scam, right off the bat.
In Bergen County, where I live, Mini Cooper is now leasing its cars to local
muni townships, for a "test" program. So, what? At the end of the "test," all
town have to return the cars. What benefit comes from this? Another scam to make
the US people think something's being done to get EVs on the road.
John
--- On Wed, 7/1/09, Seth Rothenberg <nevjersey@...> wrote:

> From: Seth Rothenberg <nevjersey@...>
> Subject: [EVDL] ExxonMobil and Electrovaya launch car program in Baltimore
> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@...>
> Date: Wednesday, July 1, 2009, 4:50 PM
> It's not hot off the presses, but I
> don't think I saw it posted yet.
> A friend sent me this.....
>
> June 23, 2009
>
> Today ExxonMobilNaN took another important step in meeting
> the world?s
> growing energy needs by announcing the sponsorship of an
> all-electric
> car-sharing and rental program, called AltCar, at the
> Maryland Science
> CenterNaN in Baltimore, MD
>
> Full article @
> http://www.exxonmobil.com/Corporate/news_features_20090623_electrovaya.aspx
>
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Message: 30
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:40:30 -0700
From: "Roland Wiench" <ev_7@...>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] 2009, comeback for low rolling resistance tires ?
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@...>
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Hey thanks for the links.

Got any ideas where I can get some light weight 14" rims for a Geo Metro?


You have to match the load rating of the wheel to the load rating of the
tire. Plus thrust force that the wheel is subjected to while acceleration
and braking which is calculated by the total weight of the vehicle divided
by two which may be apply to one drive wheel.

In a very light weight 16 inch rim, my specifications for the wheel came to
the actual weight on that wheel plus another 20 percent for static load
which came to 2600 lbs rating. The thrust rating of 200 percent of the
actual weight on that wheel which came to 4000 lbs.

These had to be custom made by CenterLine.Com which makes racing type wheels
by spinning a aluminum sheet into a wheel. They are not cast. I would had
to order 100 wheels to get the price down to $500.00 each back in the 80's.
Just to tool up for one set would cost about $10,000.00.

The wheel I had to choose, has 5/16 inch thick center plate that is full
welded to the rim which has a thrust rating of 4000 lbs.

You also have to match your axle and bearing set to the thrust rating.

When my EV was built back in 1977, it only use the standard set of bearings
and axils. They only lasted a year, where the bearings grind a groove
through the spinals and axles surfaces.

Roland



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Message: 31
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 14:00:02 +0000
From: damon henry <damonhenry@...>
Subject: [EVDL] Very nice Datsun truck for sale.
To: BB600 List <bb600@yahoogroups.com>, EV List <ev@...>,
Nedra Yahoo List Nedra <nedra@yahoogroups.com>
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Hi all,

I have just listed my Datsun truck for sale on the EV Tradin post. You can have
a look at the details here http://home.comcast.net/~damonhenry/truck.htm. This
has been a real labor of love, but it's been clear to me for a while now that to
get my son off to college this fall without jeopordizing the rest of the family
finances and with the econony the way it is something was going to have to go.

damon

_________________________________________________________________
Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync.
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Message: 32
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 08:59:44 -0700
From: Dave Hymers <dhymers@...>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] (EVDL) If it is not a NEV, What should we call it?
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@...>
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What about HCEV, just "Highway Capable EV" (inserting the word capable can
help to dispel any negative feelings)
Meaning like you said; it does 60 and can go a meaningful distance on an
actual highway.

I think you can guess some of these languages :)

Autobahn geeignet Electric Vehicle
Autostrada in grado di veicoli elettrici
Capable route du v?hicule ?lectrique
Moottoritiet? Kykenev?t Electric Vehicle
Capaces carretera de veh?culos el?ctricos
Motorv?g Kan Electric Vehicle
Snelweg geschikt elektrisch voertuig

I know some of those words might impress... I do like the swedish
actually...

What about Future Mobile ?
Anti-Gas Car
Ahead of the curve car (AOTCC)
Sustainable Electric Transport

I think EV's should also be promoted as the number one sustainable transport
option and should possibly have a promoted name that reflects that.
no idea that that'd be though.
I'm out of "ideas" :)
Its really hard to sum up all the positive impacts and details for an EV in
one single impressive name or term; ad agencies spend billions on doing this
for products.
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Message: 33
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:08:39 -0700
From: Dave Hymers <dhymers@...>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Sion and Lithium Sulphur
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@...>
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>From Wikipedia, I suspected it was Liberia ... but its Bolivia !


Since the end of World War II <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II>,
lithium metal production has greatly increased. The metal is separated from
other elements in igneous mineral such as those above, and lithium salts are
also extracted from the water of mineral
springs<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mineral_springs>,
brine pools, and brine deposits.

The metal is produced
electrolytically<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolysis>from a
mixture of fused lithium and potassium
chloride <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potassium_chloride>. In 1998 it was
about US$ <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_dollar> 43 per
pound<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound_(mass)>($95 per
kg
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilogram>).[41]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithi\
um#cite_note-ober-40>

Deposits of lithium are found in South America throughout the
Andes<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andes>mountain chain.
Chile <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chile> is currently the leading lithium
metal producer in the world, with
Argentina<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina>next. Both countries
recover the lithium from brine pools. In the United
States <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States> lithium is similarly
recovered from brine pools in Nevada <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevada>.[
42] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium#cite_note-lanl-41>

Nearly half the world's known reserves are located in the Andes-containing
country Bolivia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolivia>, which in 2009 is
negotiating with Japanese and French firms to begin
production.[43]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium#cite_note-romero-42>Accordi\
ng
to the US Geological Survey, Bolivia's
Uyuni <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyuni> Desert has 5.4 million tons of
lithium, which can be used to make batteries for hybrid and electric
vehicles.[43] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium#cite_note-romero-42>This
is the largest amount of lithium in any country, compared to Chile's 3
million tons of lithium and the United States's 760,000
tons.[43]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium#cite_note-romero-42>
[44] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium#cite_note-43>

China may emerge as a significant producer of brine-based lithium carbonate
around 2010. Potential capacity of up to 55,000 tons per year could come
on-stream if projects in Qinghai
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qinghai>province and
Tibet <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet>
proceed.[45]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium#cite_note-Legers-44>

The total amount of lithium recoverable from global reserves has been
estimated at 35 million tonnes, which includes 15 million tons of the known
global lithium reserve
base.[46]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium#cite_note-Tahil-45>

In 1976 a National Research Council Panel estimated lithium resources at
10.6 million tons for the Western
World.[47]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium#cite_note-46>With the
inclusion of Russian and Chinese resources as well as new
discoveries in Australia, Serbia, Argentina and the United States, the total
has nearly tripled by
2008.[48]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium#cite_note-47>
[49] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium#cite_note-48>
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