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Today's Topics:

1. Smurf gloves (was: Personal "Plasma Event") (Bill Dube)
2. OT Simpson VOM question (Kelly Hales)
3. Re: 2009, comeback for low rolling resistance tires ?
(Ricky Suiter)
4. Re: 2009, comeback for low rolling resistance tires ? (m gol)
5. Re: ExxonMobil and Electrovaya launch car program in
Baltimore (lcalarea47 @dslextreme.com)
6. Re: OT Simpson VOM question (evan foss)
7. Re: OT Simpson VOM question (Roland Wiench)
8. Re: OT Simpson VOM question (Kelly Hales)
9. Re: Laguna Seca (Jeff Mccabe)
10. Re: OT Simpson VOM question (evan foss)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 10:56:47 -0600
From: Bill Dube <billdube@...>
Subject: [EVDL] Smurf gloves (was: Personal "Plasma Event")
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@...>
Message-ID: <20090702165748.956AB20102@...>
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Let us not allow "perfect" to interfere with "good enough". What we
need to keep firmly in mind is that most folks wear _nothing_ on
their hands when working with live packs and EV traction wiring.

The blue nitrile mechanic's gloves (Smurf gloves) are 100 times
better than bare hands. They are inexpensive and are not
uncomfortable to wear. They don't interfere with your dexterity. They
are available in every hardware store. You can get them at Walmart.

You can think up more "perfect" protection, but it is expensive,
cumbersome, and generally so inconvenient that folks will "skip it"
unless forced to comply. The safest solution is to never get out of
bed and never do anything. All safety equipment is a compromise. (See
"bear-proof suit".)

Like condoms, the Smurf gloves do not offer perfect protection. They
are much, much, much better than nothing. They _help_ protect from
the plasma flash. They cover your skin and will greatly reduce the
amount of metal vapor deposition on your skin. They will prevent 99%
of the shocks you would get with bare hands. (This alone will prevent
99% of the injuries because you jump or jerk and injure yourself.)
You will be much better off wearing the Smurf gloves than not. If you
have ever touched a hot exhaust manifold (or a drop light bulb) with
the back of your hand when wearing Smurf gloves, you fully appreciate
the additional (but limited) burn protection you get.

Like condoms, it would be much safer if you did not touch anything,
ever. They are an imperfect, but easy and practical solution that
offers a _lot_ of protection for a small effort and low cost.



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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 10:04:46 -0700
From: "Kelly Hales" <khales@...>
Subject: [EVDL] OT Simpson VOM question
To: "Electric Discussion List" <ev@...>
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Hi all,
I hope you don't mind this question as it's a bit of topic. I figured some of
you guru's might be some help here. My fater in law bought me a Simpson 260-6P
meter at a thrift store. It needs a little repair. We found one blown resistor
inside. A search of the internet found a site (simson260.com) that has manuals
and schematics and such. The resistor in question is a 22.5 ohm and the parts
list says its wire wound. A trip to Elliot Electronics here in Tucson wasn't
much help on the wire wound spec. But I did pick up some 22 ohm 1 watt and 2
watt resistors, in the standard variety. My question is, will the not being
wire wound matter much and will the .5 ohm make much of a difference. I can't
seem to find a source online for Simpson parts, just places to send them to for
repair. Since I'm unemployed I'd like to fix it myself if I can find the part
or use these. Any ideas?
Thanks
Kelly
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 10:09:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ricky Suiter <ricksuiter@...>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] 2009, comeback for low rolling resistance tires ?
To: EV List <ev@...>
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On Tirerack look up Kosei brand wheels. They're the most reasonably priced light
weight wheels I've found. I have a set of 15" K1-TS wheels on my Saturn and I'm
relatively happy with them. The 14's weight in at 9.3lbs. The K3 model is also
available in a 14 at 10.6 lbs and they're on closeout right now for only $89
each.

I did have to recently replace one of my wheels though. I had a tire I figured
had a nail in it and was slowly leaking. When it took it to the tire store they
put it under water and immediately had me come back out in to the shop to show
me something. The wheel itself was leaking air right where one of the spokes
goes to the outer wheel surface. I had never curbed the wheel, but maybe I hit a
pothole too hard or something. There is a visible fissure in the metal at the
bead. The wheel was almost 3 years old when this happened so I guess I got my
use out of it. The wheel is stamped inside as rated for 500kg. I don't have that
much weight on it.

I went a little nuts and bought a set of the 14's for my Ford Th!nk Neighbor,
haven't had any problems with those.

About the only other option for light weight wheels are Volk which are also
known as Rays wheels. Such a size would probably be special order from Japan
with at least a 2 month lead time. These wheels would likely be $400-$500 each
too! It's something to look at and drool though.

Regards,
Rick
92 Saturn SC Conversion
AZ Alt Fuel Plates "ZEROGAS"

--------------------
>Hey thanks for the links.
>
>Got any ideas where I can get some light weight 14" rims for a Geo Metro?







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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:48:48 -0800
From: m gol <gol.m86@...>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] 2009, comeback for low rolling resistance tires ?
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@...>
Message-ID:
<1f1ce8720907021048l11fe5306mf3cfadeda37c8d55@...>
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Doesn't look like Kosei fits the Geo Metro.

Tirerack had two 14" wheels available. They weigh 15 lbs...I was hoping to
get something lighter for the same price...like you did...

On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Ricky Suiter <ricksuiter@...> wrote:

>
> On Tirerack look up Kosei brand wheels. They're the most reasonably priced
> light weight wheels I've found. I have a set of 15" K1-TS wheels on my
> Saturn and I'm relatively happy with them. The 14's weight in at 9.3lbs. The
> K3 model is also available in a 14 at 10.6 lbs and they're on closeout right
> now for only $89 each.
>
> I did have to recently replace one of my wheels though. I had a tire I
> figured had a nail in it and was slowly leaking. When it took it to the tire
> store they put it under water and immediately had me come back out in to the
> shop to show me something. The wheel itself was leaking air right where one
> of the spokes goes to the outer wheel surface. I had never curbed the wheel,
> but maybe I hit a pothole too hard or something. There is a visible fissure
> in the metal at the bead. The wheel was almost 3 years old when this
> happened so I guess I got my use out of it. The wheel is stamped inside as
> rated for 500kg. I don't have that much weight on it.
>
> I went a little nuts and bought a set of the 14's for my Ford Th!nk
> Neighbor, haven't had any problems with those.
>
> About the only other option for light weight wheels are Volk which are also
> known as Rays wheels. Such a size would probably be special order from Japan
> with at least a 2 month lead time. These wheels would likely be $400-$500
> each too! It's something to look at and drool though.
>
> Regards,
> Rick
> 92 Saturn SC Conversion
> AZ Alt Fuel Plates "ZEROGAS"
>
> --------------------
> >Hey thanks for the links.
> >
> >Got any ideas where I can get some light weight 14" rims for a Geo Metro?
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 10:54:40 -0700
From: "lcalarea47 @dslextreme.com" <lcalarea47@...>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] ExxonMobil and Electrovaya launch car program in
Baltimore
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@...>
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i agree .. there all playing politics . plus you allways hear of these
prototypes .all talk ...amazing these oil companys allways trying to pull
the wool over ones eyes ...lonnie

On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 6:32 AM, John Garbarini <johnlg_2000@...>wrote:

>
> Seth-
> Exxonmobil? You know that's a scam, right off the bat.
> In Bergen County, where I live, Mini Cooper is now leasing its cars to
> local muni townships, for a "test" program. So, what? At the end of the
> "test," all town have to return the cars. What benefit comes from this?
> Another scam to make the US people think something's being done to get EVs
> on the road.
> John
> --- On Wed, 7/1/09, Seth Rothenberg <nevjersey@...> wrote:
>
> > From: Seth Rothenberg <nevjersey@...>
> > Subject: [EVDL] ExxonMobil and Electrovaya launch car program in
> Baltimore
> > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@...>
> > Date: Wednesday, July 1, 2009, 4:50 PM
> > It's not hot off the presses, but I
> > don't think I saw it posted yet.
> > A friend sent me this.....
> >
> > June 23, 2009
> >
> > Today ExxonMobilNaN took another important step in meeting
> > the world?s
> > growing energy needs by announcing the sponsorship of an
> > all-electric
> > car-sharing and rental program, called AltCar, at the
> > Maryland Science
> > CenterNaN in Baltimore, MD
> >
> > Full article @
> >
> http://www.exxonmobil.com/Corporate/news_features_20090623_electrovaya.aspx
> >
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 13:57:04 -0400
From: evan foss <evanfoss@...>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] OT Simpson VOM question
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@...>
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It is hard to tell what effect that half ohm change will have with out
the schematic. Typically meters are made with better than 5% parts
though. If the old one wasn't I guess you could get away with it. For
some reason that simson260.com wouldn't load for me.

On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Kelly Hales<khales@...> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I hope you don't mind this question as it's a bit of topic. I figured some of
you guru's might be some help here. ?My fater in law bought me a Simpson 260-6P
meter at a thrift store. ?It needs a little repair. ?We found one blown resistor
inside. ?A search of the internet found a site (simson260.com) that has manuals
and schematics and such. ?The resistor in question is a 22.5 ohm and the parts
list says its wire wound. ?A trip to Elliot Electronics here in Tucson wasn't
much help on the wire wound spec. ?But I did pick up some 22 ohm 1 watt and 2
watt resistors, in the standard variety. ?My question is, will the not being
wire wound matter much and will the .5 ohm make much of a difference. ?I can't
seem to find a source online for Simpson parts, just places to send them to for
repair. ?Since I'm unemployed I'd like to fix it myself if I can find the part
or use these. ?Any ideas?
> Thanks
> Kelly
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 11:31:08 -0700
From: "Roland Wiench" <ev_7@...>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] OT Simpson VOM question
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@...>
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Hello Kelly,

Go to: http://www.surplussales.com/

Then click Product Index
and click Wire wound resistors

When you get there, you are going to be like a kid in a candy store.

Roland


On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Kelly Hales<khales@...> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I hope you don't mind this question as it's a bit of topic. I figured some
> of you guru's might be some help here. My fater in law bought me a Simpson
> 260-6P meter at a thrift store. It needs a little repair. We found one
> blown resistor inside. A search of the internet found a site
> (simson260.com) that has manuals and schematics and such. The resistor in
> question is a 22.5 ohm and the parts list says its wire wound. A trip to
> Elliot Electronics here in Tucson wasn't much help on the wire wound spec.
> But I did pick up some 22 ohm 1 watt and 2 watt resistors, in the standard
> variety. My question is, will the not being wire wound matter much and
> will the .5 ohm make much of a difference. I can't seem to find a source
> online for Simpson parts, just places to send them to for repair. Since
> I'm unemployed I'd like to fix it myself if I can find the part or use
> these. Any ideas?
> Thanks
> Kelly



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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 11:32:36 -0700
From: "Kelly Hales" <khales@...>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] OT Simpson VOM question
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@...>
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All the other resistors inside are marked 1%. I'd like to find the right
one. Sorry it should have been www.Simpson260.com
Thanks
Kelly
----- Original Message -----
From: "evan foss" <evanfoss@...>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@...>
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] OT Simpson VOM question


It is hard to tell what effect that half ohm change will have with out
the schematic. Typically meters are made with better than 5% parts
though. If the old one wasn't I guess you could get away with it. For
some reason that simson260.com wouldn't load for me.

On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Kelly Hales<khales@...> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I hope you don't mind this question as it's a bit of topic. I figured some
> of you guru's might be some help here. My fater in law bought me a Simpson
> 260-6P meter at a thrift store. It needs a little repair. We found one
> blown resistor inside. A search of the internet found a site
> (simson260.com) that has manuals and schematics and such. The resistor in
> question is a 22.5 ohm and the parts list says its wire wound. A trip to
> Elliot Electronics here in Tucson wasn't much help on the wire wound spec.
> But I did pick up some 22 ohm 1 watt and 2 watt resistors, in the standard
> variety. My question is, will the not being wire wound matter much and
> will the .5 ohm make much of a difference. I can't seem to find a source
> online for Simpson parts, just places to send them to for repair. Since
> I'm unemployed I'd like to fix it myself if I can find the part or use
> these. Any ideas?
> Thanks
> Kelly
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 11:45:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Mccabe <jeff.mccabe@...>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Laguna Seca
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@...>
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Hey Bob,
What asociation or group is running it. Would love to be their with my 928
Porsche.
Jeff McCabe

--- On Wed, 7/1/09, Will Beckett <will@...> wrote:

> From: Will Beckett <will@...>
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Laguna Seca
> To: "'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'" <ev@...>
> Date: Wednesday, July 1, 2009, 11:37 PM
> Thanks for sending the message
> Bob.? I will be there with the t-Zero.
>
> - Will Beckett
> Aptos, CA? 95003
> (831) 688-8669
> will@...
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ev-bounces@...
> [mailto:ev-bounces@...]
> On Behalf
> Of Bob Martin
> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 9:01 PM
> To: ev@...
> Subject: [EVDL] Laguna Seca
>
> Is anybody planning to attend the EV event at Laguna Seca
> on July 18th. As I
> understand, EV's have been invited to run Solo 1 (one
> vehicle at a time for
> lap time). Bikes, GoKarts, Cars, Electrathon Vehicles...See
> Ya'll there! Bob
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 14:49:20 -0400
From: evan foss <evanfoss@...>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] OT Simpson VOM question
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@...>
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I don't see the 22 Ohm resistor on the schematic. R14 is 22.5 Ohms if
I am reading that last smudged out digit correctly. If that is it then
you are ok although you really should use 1% parts in a meter. R14 is
for the 10mA setting on the meter.

On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Kelly Hales<khales@...> wrote:
> All the other resistors inside are marked 1%. ?I'd like to find the right
> one. ?Sorry it should have been www.Simpson260.com
> Thanks
> Kelly
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "evan foss" <evanfoss@...>
> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@...>
> Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 10:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] OT Simpson VOM question
>
>
> It is hard to tell what effect that half ohm change will have with out
> the schematic. Typically meters are made with better than 5% parts
> though. If the old one wasn't I guess you could get away with it. For
> some reason that simson260.com wouldn't load for me.
>
> On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Kelly Hales<khales@...> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> I hope you don't mind this question as it's a bit of topic. I figured some
>> of you guru's might be some help here. My fater in law bought me a Simpson
>> 260-6P meter at a thrift store. It needs a little repair. We found one
>> blown resistor inside. A search of the internet found a site
>> (simson260.com) that has manuals and schematics and such. The resistor in
>> question is a 22.5 ohm and the parts list says its wire wound. A trip to
>> Elliot Electronics here in Tucson wasn't much help on the wire wound spec.
>> But I did pick up some 22 ohm 1 watt and 2 watt resistors, in the standard
>> variety. My question is, will the not being wire wound matter much and
>> will the .5 ohm make much of a difference. I can't seem to find a source
>> online for Simpson parts, just places to send them to for repair. Since
>> I'm unemployed I'd like to fix it myself if I can find the part or use
>> these. Any ideas?
>> Thanks
>> Kelly
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