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[eventidehelps] Re: More on MIDI Controllers

At 7:43 AM +0000 11/8/01, Italo De Angelis wrote:

>Let's start the thread about EVENTIDE MIDI PEDALBOARD !
>Any ideas, folks?

I think there are at least two categories of users, those who want a
reasonable measure of control at a reasonable price and those who
want a great deal of control and are willing to pay for it. Therefore
it is probable that we'll be talking about two different units. This
presents a problem, because the sales numbers may not justify the
parallel development. However, I think we should approach the design
process with this dialectic. It is also helpful to consider that
other manufacturers have done this (Line6, Alesis, Digitech all come
to mind).

* Whether there is one model or two, the obvious control elements
must include switches, (optional) control pedals, and one or more
displays.

* Programming of this unit should be easy to do on the unit itself,
but there should also be cross-platform software for programming from
an external computer. I stress that this software must be available
for both PC and Mac.

* A built-in programmer should be similar in layout to the standard
Eventide keypad, but for the sake of durability underfoot the
programming switches should probably be membrane switches.
Programming switches should be distinct from the operational foot
switches. The layout of the Mitigator RFC-1 may be a good model.

* Switches should be robust AND quiet. They should provide both
tactile and visual feedback to indicate that they have indeed been
pressed, but there should not be a resounding "click" - not everyone
plays at rock and roll levels.

* Switches should be able to function in several modes, assignable in
software: momentary, toggle, step forward/back through several
states, etc.

* There should be direct support of multiple continuous control
pedals. Some performers may need eight or more (I've seen as many as
24). There might be a pair of pedals built in, as many existing
controllers do have, and there should be some number of 1/4" jacks to
accommodate common expression pedals.

* There should be an option to daisy-chain multiple external pedal
modules. These modules should have a similar form factor to the
Mitigator CFC-4 pedal, four continuous pedals mounted together in a
solid frame. These frames could optionally be locked together with
hardware that would permit them to be in a straight line or at a
variety of angles. The pedal groups should probably link
electronically by MIDI, or by EVE/NET if it's up to the task.

* The system should accommodate inputs from other types of
controllers, designed by Eventide or third parties. One pedal design
idea I've been promoting for years is a continuous controller pedal
with a return-to-center function such as is commonly found in
keyboard pitch bend wheels.

* The controller should have multiple visual displays. Ideally, each
switch should have its own alphanumeric label. This will certainly
bump up the cost, but it will be a big ergonomic improvement over
most other pedal boards.
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Thu Nov 8, 2001 6:26 pm

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Thanks to all for contributing ideas on the MIDI foot controller issue...obviously I am not alone on my quest! Perhaps this suggests a niche for Eventide...a...
Sands, Stuart
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Nov 6, 2001
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... E V E N T I D E I S L I S T E N I N G ! ! ! ... drag ... backup...oh well). Well Stuart, working with such systems require to keep track of ANY change...
Italo De Angelis
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Nov 6, 2001
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... I'll second that motion - It doesn't seem like it should be so costly and so difficult to have such expansive external foot control capability with the...
JBell
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Nov 7, 2001
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Stuart and Jake I totally agree that an Eventide Midi Pedalboard, w/extended software & hardware functionality, is a great idea and a real plus for Eventide...
Italo De Angelis
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Nov 7, 2001
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Hey Italo! Looks like someone was listening in on our Yahoo Chatting eh? We talked about how cool it would be if Eventide build a Midi controller! ..Guess I'm...
Mike Hunter
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Nov 8, 2001
7:38 am

Mike YOU are absolutely correct! It really seems the world was listening to us ;-) so, what is your "wish list" for an EVENTIDE midi Pedalboard? any...
Italo De Angelis
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Nov 8, 2001
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Hey Guys, I saw this new MIDI foot controller from Behringer and with their recent 50% off price announcement, it might be a good deal. I didn't read the...
Bruce McIntyre
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Nov 8, 2001
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Bruce here we discuss another issue! the thread is a project for an EVENTIDE advanced midi pedalboard; keep track of it. Users need at least SysEx strings...
Italo De Angelis
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Hi Italo (and others), I'm glad you like the idea of an Eventide MIDI foot controller. I would be happy to help define specs for such a unit (and beta test...
Sands, Stuart
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Nov 8, 2001
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Stuart you got many points!!! So, what about a good description of its hardware & software features? Let's start the thread about EVENTIDE MIDI PEDALBOARD ! ...
Italo De Angelis
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Nov 8, 2001
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... I think there are at least two categories of users, those who want a reasonable measure of control at a reasonable price and those who want a great deal of...
Richard Zvonar
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Nov 8, 2001
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... a ... Therefore ... This ... I agree and think we need something better than what we have around in the market now!!! Let's make one, better and cheaper...
Italo De Angelis
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Nov 8, 2001
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... I'd argue for 2 built-in plus 8 more inputs. Suppose for example you're controlling an Orville. You might want a pair of dedicated volume pedals, one for...
Richard Zvonar
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... this ... either ... Richard Orville & 7000/7500 can send these smart functions, but the majority of processors out there can't. It would be nice to have...
Italo De Angelis
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... A simple way to switch between DSP A and DSP B. with a smooth way to change presets and banks along the lines of the way Eventides are formatted for this. ...
JBell
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Nov 8, 2001
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... - I wonder if its ... way an EV 5 expression pedal works with a synth? Can you describe this more exactly, Jake? Thank You Italo...
Italo De Angelis
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... This may be something that is already possible and I am just not aware of it. But it sounded like some of the "synth enhancement" features of Orville were...
JBell
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... Grande Jake this is already possible in all Eventide units (3000/4000/7000/ORVILLE/ECLIPSE) ;-)) This will be our first "ON LINE VSIG PROGRAMMING CLASS"...
Italo De Angelis
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... I thought that it was so - as I mentioned - looking forward to the Class. But I will still need to set-up some footcontroller. I am going to send a copy...
JBell
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Nov 10, 2001
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I just found a Web site with some do-it-yourself MIDI controller information. In particular, here's something for a MIDI Foot Controller: ...
Richard Zvonar
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Nov 14, 2001
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You might have a look at the EventStation 1, designed by Starr Labs for Kurzweil http://www.starrlabs.com/percussion.html Although its primary function is as a...
Richard Zvonar
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Nov 9, 2001
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Looks AMAZING on paper, Richard!!!! best Italo ... interface ... of...
Italo De Angelis
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Nov 9, 2001
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Hello, Really this topic gets a regular bashing on www.loopersdelight.com and there is so many people on Kim Flint's list who know so much and could also ...
Steven
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Nov 8, 2001
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Hello Steven I always follow Loopers Delight discussions. We at Eventide think that quality has a price that many don't seem to want to spend on it. This is a...
Italo De Angelis
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Have you checked out the Rocktron "all access" board? It's expensive, but it can do everything that a midi-board can do - it's completely programmable and...
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Nov 12, 2001
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... As I understand it, All Access has an Eventide-compatible mode that was developed in collaboration with Eventide several years ago. I believe this is a...
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