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#102675 From: "yanniru" <yanniru@...>
Date: Mon Mar 1, 2010 1:23 pm
Subject: Re: [evol-psych] Settling The Soy Controversy $$; "Straightedgers" ...
yanniru
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A personal data point:

"Beg to differ, soy products have always caused severe pain in my chest.  I was
taking a certain supplement for years, it was reformulated probably in the past
two years to include soy.


I hadn't noticed till I developed the breast pain.  Stopped the supplement
immediately.


Went to the Dr. since I suddenly developed a 'lump'.


Received a diagnosis of breast cancer on Wednesday."

--- In evolutionary-psychology@yahoogroups.com, Robin Whittle <rw@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Cage,
>
> Further to what you wrote:
>
> > The author, Neal Barnard, is the founder of a vegan advocacy
> > group:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physicians_Committee_for_Responsible_Medicine
> >
> > It does not seem from the Wikipedia article or a brief perusal of their
> > web site that he takes a particularly balanced view around certain
> > dietary policies.
>
> a comment recently added to the Huffington Post article:
>
>
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/neal-barnard-md/settling-the-soy-controve_b_453966\
.html?show_comment_id=41229298#comment_41229298
>
> states:
>
>     Umm.....this is written by a soy lobbyist. Check this out:
>
>
http://activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm/o/23-physicians-committee-for-\
responsible-medicine
>
>     Often appearing in a lab coat, PCRM president Neal Barnard looks
>     the part of a mainstream health expert. He also churns out a
>     steady stream of reliably anti-meat and anti-dairy nutrition
>     research. Although his "results" generally conclude that a vegan
>     diet (practiced by a tiny fraction of Americans) will solve any
>     of dozens of health problems, the mass media eats them up. And
>     PCRM is media-savvy enough to take advantage.
>
>     But Barnard was trained as a psychiatrist, not a nutritionist.
>     His nutritional advice boils down to one basic message: don't eat
>     meat, or anything that comes from animals. PCRM has complained to
>     the Federal Trade Commission about advertisements that depict
>     milk as part of a healthy diet. It petitioned the government to
>     slap meat and poultry with a "biohazard label," adding in its
>     newsletter that eggs should carry these dire warnings as well"
>
>     Follow the money.
>
>
> OK - but what is "activistcash.com"?  It is run by the "Center for
> Consumer Freedom", and the Wikipedia article includes:
>
>   The forerunner to the CCF was the Guest Choice Network, which was
>   organized in 1995 by Richard Berman, executive director of the
>   public affairs firm Berman and Company, with $600,000 from the
>   Philip Morris tobacco company,[2] "to unite the restaurant and
>   hospitality industries in a campaign to defend their consumers and
>   marketing programs against attacks from anti-smoking,
>   anti-drinking, anti-meat, etc. activists ..." According to Berman,
>   the GCN mission was to encourage operators of "restaurants, hotels,
>   casinos, bowling alleys, taverns, stadiums, and university
>   hospitality educators" to "support [the] mentality of 'smokers
>   rights' by encouraging responsibility to protect 'guest
>   choice.'"[3] Philip Morris donated $2.95 million to GCN between
>   1995 and 1998.[4]
>
>   The Guest Choice Network argued against restaurant-related
>   initiatives from environmental, animal rights and anti-alcohol
>   organizations[5] and straightedgers, including arguments that
>   restaurants should be allowed to maintain smoking sections.[6]
>
<Snip>

#102676 From: "Robert Karl Stonjek" <stonjek@...>
Date: Mon Mar 1, 2010 2:11 pm
Subject: Re: [evol-psych] Digest Number 7071
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 Richard C. Connor
The dolphin melon is a specialized acoustic fat tissue and is not part of the dolphin brain or even in the skull.
 
Many readers of this list may be familiar with the unsupported claims in the 1960s and 1970s by John Lilly of a special dolphin intelligence, but there has been an even longer, and in some ways stranger, history of neuroanatomists making claims that dolphins brains are somehow more 'primitive' or less 'sophisticated' than those of other mammals.
 
For readers of this list who are interested in what we do know about dolphin brains, cognitive abilities, and why they may have converged with few other groups in evolving such large brains, I recommend the following papers.
 
Marino, L, Butti, C., R.C. Connor, R. E. Fordyce, L. M. Herman, P. R. 
Hof, L. Lefebvre, D. Lusseau, B. McCowan, E. A. Nimchinsky, A. A.                
A. A. Pack, L. Rendell., J. S. Reidenberg., D. Reiss., M. D. Uhen. , E. Van         

der Gucht, H. Whitehead. 2008. A claim in search of evidence: Reply to

Manger?s thermogenesis hypothesis of cetacean brain structure. Biological Reviews, 83: 417-440..

 

Connor, R.C. 2007. Complex alliance relationships in bottlenose dolphins

and a consideration of selective environments for extreme brain size evolution in mammals.

Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society: Biological Sciences 362: 587-602.

 

Marino, L, R.C. Connor, R. E. Fordyce, L. M. Herman, P. R. Hof, L. Lefebvre, D.
Lusseau, B. McCowan, E. A. Nimchinsky, A. A. A. A. Pack, L. Rendell., J. S. Reidenberg., D. Reiss., M. D. Uhen. ,
 E. Van der Gucht,H. Whitehead. 2007. Cetaceans have complex brains for complex cognition. 
PLOS 5: 966:972.
 
Richard Connor

RKS:
Thanks for putting us straight on the melon, John, it was actually the auditory cortex I had in mind which, apparently, is 250 times as big in the dolphin as the human.  The book I had recently read, that I was thinking of (and not recalling particularly well), is 'Do Animals Think?' by Clive D.L.Wynne.  In the chapter on Dolphins, after having some fun with Lilly, he goes on to say:

"Brains are not supernatural objects but are subject to the laws of physics like any other physical entities. As land mammals we have to carry our brains about with us all day, every day (if that seems like a funny way of putting it, remember that human infants are unable to hold up the weight of their own heads for the first two or three months of life). If we could fly, the problem of brain weight would be even more acute. But sea mammals do not have to worry about weight. Consequently, without the check of gravity, it seems that evolution has allowed the weight and volume of dolphin brains to blow out. That is not to say that the dolphin brain is not still large on anyone's terms. Just that there is nothing mysterious about the size of a dolphin's brain.

A brain is not just subject to the laws of physics but to the laws of biology too. Breathing in the dolphin is known to be under the control of the cortex, rather than the deeper brain centers used in other mammals. The dolphin's sonar system must be controlled from somewhere, and the cortex is a likely candidate for that function too. One of the brain centers that controls hearing is over 250 times larger in the dolphin brain than the equivalent structure in the human brain. Thus, the brain of the dolphin must be understood as a component of the body it inhabits and the things that body can do.

"But not all parts of our brain are equally impressive. In human evolution it is the neocortex, the folds of tissue on top of the basic brain, that have taken on truly exceptional dimensions. In most mammals the neocortex takes up between 10 and 30 percent of the total, reaching values above 50 percent only for primates, but the human neocortex takes up a magnificent 80 percent of total brain volume. Our neocortex is so large it has to be folded to fit inside the skull. If you removed your brain from your skull (don't try this at home), you would find that, unfolded, your neocortex occupies more than twice the area on the kitchen table as it does inside your head. But on this measure of human distinction, dolphins, it is often pointed out, outstrip us. The unfolded neocortex of a dolphin takes up five times as much space as it does packed into the dolphin skull. Though this fact appears in most popular texts on dolphins, one rather important detail is always missing. Though all land mammals have approximately the same density of nerve cells in their neocortexes, sea mammals do not. Mammals in the ocean have only about one-quarter the number of nerve cells per square inch of cortex as do land mammals. Thus, in terms of numbers of nerve cells, the functioning units, the dolphin neocortex is not so large after all."

The other book I had in mind was/is 'Principles of Brain Evolution' by Georg F Striedter P.356~7 with regard to sea mammals in general:-

"Now, if different lineages tend to evolve along divergent tracks, then it makes little sense to compare the brains of distant relatives in terms of absolute brain size. For example, it is not very informative to know that the brains of some large cetaceans (whales) weigh roughly 5 times as much as human brains (Figure 10.6), because cetacean brains also differ from all primate brains in a multitude of other attributes (Kruger, 1959; Morgane and Jacobs, 1972; Ridgway, 1986; Peichl et al., 2001). Most notably, the neocortex of all cetaceans is much thinner and less highly laminated than the neocortex of primates (see Figure 10.6 C,D). We do not yet know precisely how and why cetaceans evolved this unusually thin neocortex, but we can be fairly certain that this change was not a simple "automatic" consequence of a change in absolute brain size. Therefore, comparing human and whale brains in terms of absolute brain size is like comparing apples and grapefruits; the two differ in size-independent ways! This is not particularly surprising once you consider that primates and cetaceans are extremely distant relatives, with whales being closely related to hippopotami and other artiodactyls (Thewissen et al., 2001) (see Figure 2.11)."

 

Figure 10.6 Comparison of Human and Whale Brains The brain of (A) a human is considerably smaller than the brain of (B) a killer whale and exhibits fewer neocortical gyri. On the other hand, the neocortex is considerably thinner and less highly laminated in (C) a pygmy sperm whale (or most other cetaceans) than in (D) humans. This difference in neocortical thickness is but one of many features that distinguish human or other primate brains from those of cetaceans. It also explains why cetaceans have thinner and more numerous neocortical gyri: The thinner a sheet is, the more tightly it can be folded. (A and B from Ridgway, 1986; C and D from Preuss, 2001.)

Kind Regards
Robert Karl Stonjek


#102677 From: Joseph Burch <jbb@...>
Date: Mon Mar 1, 2010 6:08 pm
Subject: Re: [evol-psych] News: Among the Ruins
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Robert, et al --

You can see photos of Taj'alik Abaj' posted by AIST here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/aist/sets/72157603369126227/

The originals are highly detailed, and AIST has provided a selection of image sizes for the convenience of viewer.

Joe

On 02/27/2010 01:34 AM, Robert Karl Stonjek wrote:
 

Among the Ruins

February 26th, 2010 in Other Sciences / Archaeology & Fossils
Among the Ruins(PhysOrg.com) -- In an ancient Mayan site, USF archaeologists use new tools to find everything old.

For the past three weeks, a team from the University of South Florida’s Alliance for Integrated Spatial Technologies - a network of archaeologists, geologists, historians and other disciplines - have been exploring the Guatemalan ruins of Tak’alik Abaj’, an ancient city where Mayan priests once conducted rituals.

Using some of the world’s most advanced scanning and photographic technology, the team is able to explore the ruins - considered some of the most fascinating ancient treasures in the world - without disturbing them in the site, which lies in southwest Guatemala, about 45 km from the border with Mexico.

The AIST scientists are capturing three-dimensional images of the ruins which scholars around the world can study and allow for less invasive excavation of the vast site, which over the years has become the home of a sustainable coffee and rubber plantation and in some parts remains covered by thick vegetation in others.

USF archaeologist Travis Doering, who co-founded AIST with USF anthropologist Lori Collins, said the National Science Foundation funded project will eventually allow scholars to access images from the ruins on the Internet and examine them in as much detail as if they were there in person. In addition to being an important religious site for the Mayans, the area also flourished from 9th century BC through to at least the 10th century AD as an important centre of commerce.

“Everybody is going to be able to use the data, we’re going to make it available to the broadest audience available,” he said. “Particularly in Mesoamerican studies, the data is very closely held and it’s difficult to get to. The more people who can see it can interact with it the better the discipline is going to be.”
The group will be in Guatemala until March 14, but they’ve enabled readers to follow their journey in their blog, AIST Expedition Journal.

The Tak’alik Abaj’ project has been carried out in cooperation with the Ministerio de Cultura y Deportes, Direccion General del Patrimonio Cultural y Natural, Projecto Nacional Tak’alik Abaj’ and El Asintal, Retalhuleu.

Provided by University of South Florida
http://www.physorg.com/news186419281.html

Posted by
Robert Karl Stonjek



#102678 From: Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...>
Date: Mon Mar 1, 2010 8:17 pm
Subject: Re: [evol-psych] Digest Number 7071
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Robert and Richard,

Let's do the math assuming the data below is accurate as given. Dolphin neo-cortex unfolded = 5x internal size. Human unfolded = 2x. Density of nerve cells in dolphin 25% of human. Dolphin avg. brain weight 1600 gm. Human avg brain weight 1350 gm.

Relative number of nerve cells in neuro-cortex:
Dolphin: .25 x (1600 x 5) = 2000 
Human: 1 x (1350 x 2 ) = 2700
Sperm Whale: .25 x (7800 x 5) = 9750
Chimp: 1 x (400 x ?(assume = ~1)) = 400?

So just on the data you two provide the human brain neo-cortical neuralization is 135% that of a dolphin but only 28% that of a sperm whale though I'm sure that this data is not the whole story.....

Edgar





On Mar 1, 2010, at 9:11 AM, Robert Karl Stonjek wrote:

 

 Richard C. Connor

The dolphin melon is a specialized acoustic fat tissue and is not part of the dolphin brain or even in the skull.
 
Many readers of this list may be familiar with the unsupported claims in the 1960s and 1970s by John Lilly of a special dolphin intelligence, but there has been an even longer, and in some ways stranger, history of neuroanatomists making claims that dolphins brains are somehow more 'primitive' or less 'sophisticated' than those of other mammals.
 
For readers of this list who are interested in what we do know about dolphin brains, cognitive abilities, and why they may have converged with few other groups in evolving such large brains, I recommend the following papers.
 
Marino, L, Butti, C., R.C. Connor, R. E. Fordyce, L. M. Herman, P. R. 
Hof, L. Lefebvre, D. Lusseau, B. McCowan, E. A. Nimchinsky, A. A.                
A. A. Pack, L. Rendell., J. S. Reidenberg., D. Reiss., M. D. Uhen. , E. Van         

der Gucht, H. Whitehead. 2008. A claim in search of evidence: Reply to

Manger?s thermogenesis hypothesis of cetacean brain structure. Biological Reviews, 83: 417-440..

 

Connor, R.C. 2007. Complex alliance relationships in bottlenose dolphins

and a consideration of selective environments for extreme brain size evolution in mammals.

Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society: Biological Sciences 362: 587-602.

 

Marino, L, R.C. Connor, R. E. Fordyce, L. M. Herman, P. R. Hof, L. Lefebvre, D.
 Lusseau, B. McCowan, E. A. Nimchinsky, A. A. A. A. Pack, L. Rendell., J. S. Reidenberg., D. Reiss., M. D. Uhen. ,
 E. Van der Gucht,H. Whitehead. 2007. Cetaceans have complex brains for complex cognition. 
PLOS 5: 966:972.
 
Richard Connor

RKS:
Thanks for putting us straight on the melon, John, it was actually the auditory cortex I had in mind which, apparently, is 250 times as big in the dolphin as the human.  The book I had recently read, that I was thinking of (and not recalling particularly well), is 'Do Animals Think?' by Clive D.L.Wynne.  In the chapter on Dolphins, after having some fun with Lilly, he goes on to say:

"Brains are not supernatural objects but are subject to the laws of physics like any other physical entities. As land mammals we have to carry our brains about with us all day, every day (if that seems like a funny way of putting it, remember that human infants are unable to hold up the weight of their own heads for the first two or three months of life). If we could fly, the problem of brain weight would be even more acute. But sea mammals do not have to worry about weight. Consequently, without the check of gravity, it seems that evolution has allowed the weight and volume of dolphin brains to blow out. That is not to say that the dolphin brain is not still large on anyone's terms. Just that there is nothing mysterious about the size of a dolphin's brain.

A brain is not just subject to the laws of physics but to the laws of biology too. Breathing in the dolphin is known to be under the control of the cortex, rather than the deeper brain centers used in other mammals. The dolphin's sonar system must be controlled from somewhere, and the cortex is a likely candidate for that function too. One of the brain centers that controls hearing is over 250 times larger in the dolphin brain than the equivalent structure in the human brain. Thus, the brain of the dolphin must be understood as a component of the body it inhabits and the things that body can do.

"But not all parts of our brain are equally impressive. In human evolution it is the neocortex, the folds of tissue on top of the basic brain, that have taken on truly exceptional dimensions. In most mammals the neocortex takes up between 10 and 30 percent of the total, reaching values above 50 percent only for primates, but the human neocortex takes up a magnificent 80 percent of total brain volume. Our neocortex is so large it has to be folded to fit inside the skull. If you removed your brain from your skull (don't try this at home), you would find that, unfolded, your neocortex occupies more than twice the area on the kitchen table as it does inside your head. But on this measure of human distinction, dolphins, it is often pointed out, outstrip us. The unfolded neocortex of a dolphin takes up five times as much space as it does packed into the dolphin skull. Though this fact appears in most popular texts on dolphins, one rather important detail is always missing. Though all land mammals have approximately the same density of nerve cells in their neocortexes, sea mammals do not. Mammals in the ocean have only about one-quarter the number of nerve cells per square inch of cortex as do land mammals. Thus, in terms of numbers of nerve cells, the functioning units, the dolphin neocortex is not so large after all."

The other book I had in mind was/is 'Principles of Brain Evolution' by Georg F Striedter P.356~7 with regard to sea mammals in general:-

"Now, if different lineages tend to evolve along divergent tracks, then it makes little sense to compare the brains of distant relatives in terms of absolute brain size. For example, it is not very informative to know that the brains of some large cetaceans (whales) weigh roughly 5 times as much as human brains (Figure 10.6), because cetacean brains also differ from all primate brains in a multitude of other attributes (Kruger, 1959; Morgane and Jacobs, 1972; Ridgway, 1986; Peichl et al., 2001). Most notably, the neocortex of all cetaceans is much thinner and less highly laminated than the neocortex of primates (see Figure 10.6 C,D). We do not yet know precisely how and why cetaceans evolved this unusually thin neocortex, but we can be fairly certain that this change was not a simple "automatic" consequence of a change in absolute brain size. Therefore, comparing human and whale brains in terms of absolute brain size is like comparing apples and grapefruits; the two differ in size-independent ways! This is not particularly surprising once you consider that primates and cetaceans are extremely distant relatives, with whales being closely related to hippopotami and other artiodactyls (Thewissen et al., 2001) (see Figure 2.11)."

 

<Principles of Brain ~ Whale 3.jpg>

Figure 10.6 Comparison of Human and Whale Brains The brain of (A) a human is considerably smaller than the brain of (B) a killer whale and exhibits fewer neocortical gyri. On the other hand, the neocortex is considerably thinner and less highly laminated in (C) a pygmy sperm whale (or most other cetaceans) than in (D) humans. This difference in neocortical thickness is but one of many features that distinguish human or other primate brains from those of cetaceans. It also explains why cetaceans have thinner and more numerous neocortical gyri: The thinner a sheet is, the more tightly it can be folded. (A and B from Ridgway, 1986; C and D from Preuss, 2001.)

Kind Regards
Robert Karl Stonjek




#102679 From: "R A Fonda" <rafonda@...>
Date: Mon Mar 1, 2010 3:59 pm
Subject: Re: [evol-psych] Climategate World is Not Warming
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Helga, you state that you are losing patience with people who are not climatologists expressing opinions on anthropogenic climate change.
 
I am trying to focus on the POLITICAL, social, and economic issues that arise from the proposals that are SUPPOSEDLY based on the scientific data. I doubt you would insist that only climatologists can have a voice in the decision as to whether we should have 'cap and trade' legislation.
 
In fact, I AGREE that liberating fossil carbon is likely to have very significant effects on climate IN THE LONG RUN, and 'all else being equal'. One point I make is that in-the-long-run OTHER crises will reduce our overpopulation anyway, certainly ameliorating carbon problems. Another point I make is that 'all things' are NOT 'the same'. There appears, for instance, to be reduced total solar irradiance at present, suggesting a "solar minimum" which might be as long and severe as the Maunder Minimum, but even if it is only as short as the Dalton Minimum, it gives us at least another decade during which we can take careful consideration of alternatives. Finally, I completely reject the suggested POLITICAL 'solutions' such as cap and trade and western asset redistribution.
 
I would certainly support sensible programs such as reforestation and seeding the central Pacific with nano-particles of iron to induce bio-fixation and subsequent sequestrtion of carbon, among many other ways of actually doing something useful.
 
Climatologists are NOT the only people fit to make decisions on socio-POLITICAL and economic proposals. Sadly, they have even failed to inspire confidence in their scientific integrity, so ordinary people are left to wonder if we can trust the data they present.
 
RAF

#102680 From: Julienne <julienne@...>
Date: Tue Mar 2, 2010 2:04 am
Subject: "The Pluto Files"
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When the American Museum of Natural History's Hayden Planetarium
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the Motherland or the Fatherland is an object of veneration and
becomes a burning cause for which one becomes willing to kill the
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#102681 From: Julienne <julienne@...>
Date: Mon Mar 1, 2010 11:31 pm
Subject: Don't blame feminism for bad dates.
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The Case Against Settling

Don't blame feminism for bad dates.

By Julia Baird | NEWSWEEK

Published Jan 22, 2010

  From the magazine issue dated Feb 1, 2010

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Remember that scene in When Harry Met Sally when
Harry refuses to believe that a man called
Sheldon could be a great lover? "A Sheldon can do
your taxes," he says. "If you need a root canal,
he's your man. But between the sheets is not
Sheldon's strong suit." Sally didn't care—but
Lori Gottlieb did. In her new book, Marry Him:
The Case for Settling for Mr. Good Enough, she
says she hesitated before dating someone because
he had the name of a "nerdy sidekick." She also
balked at the fact that he had been upset by his
divorce a year earlier, he loved sports, and he
was born in the Bronx, a place she "associated
with beer-can-smashing guys with thick accents."
Her type, she said, was "sophisticated intellectuals."

Sounds awful, right? As she weighed up her
matchmaker's assurances that this man was not
"belching" or "rough talking" and had been Ivy
League-educated, "Sheldon" started dating another
woman. This incident caused Gottlieb to rethink
her standards—and go on to mount a case that the
reason many women are unable to find love is that
they are superficial and hypercritical, as she
was. Gottlieb, a 42-year-old single mother,
caused quite a stir when she wrote a piece for
The Atlantic in 2008 telling women to settle for
men with shortcomings like bad breath—and not
hold out for a big, heart-clenching love. If they
did not, she argued, they would find themselves
alone and without someone to help with the hard
slog of bringing up kids. Marriage, she wrote,
was not a "passionfest," but a "boring, nonprofit
business." Just makes a girl want to crack open
the champagne, doesn't it? In her book, Gottlieb
posits herself as the latest example of that
now-clichéd cautionary tale, Women Who Dare to
Dream of Love, Don't Find It, and End Up
Tragically Alone. The prevalence of these kinds
of stories does not diminish the struggle and
heartbreak behind them. Gottlieb's sadness is
another lament for the unlucky in a generation
who delayed marriage longer than any other,
risking their fertility, and found themselves
fighting for a family in ways our mothers would
not have dreamed of. Half a dozen of my friends
are having children on their own: buying sperm,
signing up for IVF, freezing eggs.

But it's a leap of illogic to suggest that the
answer is for women to settle for humdrum
marriages with men you tolerate so you can have a
father for your children. How insulting for men:
imagine going to a boyfriend's house and seeing
Marry Her: The Case for Settling for Ms. Good
Enough on his shelves. And whom does Gottlieb
blame? Guess. "I know this is an unpopular thing
to say," she writes, "but feminism has completely
f--ked up my love life." Um, I know why it's
unpopular: because it's completely unfair.
Feminism is a centuries-old social movement, not
a self-help book—we can't blame it for bad
decisions we make about men. The problem, as
Gottlieb sees it, is that women were told they
could have it all, which meant not compromising
in any aspect of life, including dating (which is
odd because people who can't compromise aren't
feminists, they are just generally unpleasant
people). Then women got so fussy that they
"empowered themselves out of a mate."

This twisted thinking makes my head hurt. First,
the only evidence offered to prove that women
expect too much is anecdotal. Are some women too
picky? Sure. People are shallow, unkind, and
judgmental. But I don't know any women who have
checklists. If they do, I imagine it's something
most grow out of. If you will only date someone
who looks like Brad Pitt, "earns a gazillion
dollars, and makes your knees go weak every time
you're together," as Gottlieb writes, then you're
probably either 20 or stupid. Most of us just
want to love and be loved. The data show that
when it comes to money and education, women are
in fact lowering their standards. A Pew study
released Jan. 19 found that in 1970, 4 percent of
wives earned more than their husbands. In 2007,
22 percent did. The percentage of women who had
more education than their husbands rose from 20 to 28.
Click here to find out more!

Second, no movement could possibly tame the great
wild lions of love, lust, and luck. Feminists
fought for respect and equality: they never
promised a perfect world, where nonbelching
princes would gallop up at exactly the right time
and impregnate us. They told us to be wary of
fairy tales, and not to spend our lives waiting
for them to come true. It doesn't mean you have
to "settle," or give up on love. Some things are still worth dreaming about.

Julia Baird is the author of Media Tarts: How the
Australian Press Frames Female Politicians. Follow heron Twitter.

© 2010
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generation in which the Motherland or the
Fatherland is an object of veneration and becomes
a burning cause for which one becomes willing to
kill the children of other Motherlands or Fatherlands." Howard Zinn

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Date: Mon Mar 1, 2010 10:39 pm
Subject: News: Depression’s Upside
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February 28, 2010

Depression’s Upside

The Victorians had many names for depression, and Charles Darwin used them all. There were his “fits” brought on by “excitements,” “flurries” leading to an “uncomfortable palpitation of the heart” and “air fatigues” that triggered his “head symptoms.” In one particularly pitiful letter, written to a specialist in “psychological medicine,” he confessed to “extreme spasmodic daily and nightly flatulence” and “hysterical crying” whenever Emma, his devoted wife, left him alone.

While there has been endless speculation about Darwin’s mysterious ailment — his symptoms have been attributed to everything from lactose intolerance to Chagas disease — Darwin himself was most troubled by his recurring mental problems. His depression left him “not able to do anything one day out of three,” choking on his “bitter mortification.” He despaired of the weakness of mind that ran in his family. “The ‘race is for the strong,’ ” Darwin wrote. “I shall probably do little more but be content to admire the strides others made in Science.”

Darwin, of course, was wrong; his recurring fits didn’t prevent him from succeeding in science. Instead, the pain may actually have accelerated the pace of his research, allowing him to withdraw from the world and concentrate entirely on his work. His letters are filled with references to the salvation of study, which allowed him to temporarily escape his gloomy moods. “Work is the only thing which makes life endurable to me,” Darwin wrote and later remarked that it was his “sole enjoyment in life.”

For Darwin, depression was a clarifying force, focusing the mind on its most essential problems. In his autobiography, he speculated on the purpose of such misery; his evolutionary theory was shadowed by his own life story. “Pain or suffering of any kind,” he wrote, “if long continued, causes depression and lessens the power of action, yet it is well adapted to make a creature guard itself against any great or sudden evil.” And so sorrow was explained away, because pleasure was not enough. Sometimes, Darwin wrote, it is the sadness that informs as it “leads an animal to pursue that course of action which is most beneficial.” The darkness was a kind of light.

The mystery of depression is not that it exists — the mind, like the flesh, is prone to malfunction. Instead, the paradox of depression has long been its prevalence. While most mental illnesses are extremely rare — schizophrenia, for example, is seen in less than 1 percent of the population — depression is everywhere, as inescapable as the common cold. Every year, approximately 7 percent of us will be afflicted to some degree by the awful mental state that William Styron described as a “gray drizzle of horror . . . a storm of murk.” Obsessed with our pain, we will retreat from everything. We will stop eating, unless we start eating too much. Sex will lose its appeal; sleep will become a frustrating pursuit. We will always be tired, even though we will do less and less. We will think a lot about death.

The persistence of this affliction — and the fact that it seemed to be heritable — posed a serious challenge to Darwin’s new evolutionary theory. If depression was a disorder, then evolution had made a tragic mistake, allowing an illness that impedes reproduction — it leads people to stop having sex and consider suicide — to spread throughout the population. For some unknown reason, the modern human mind is tilted toward sadness and, as we’ve now come to think, needs drugs to rescue itself.

The alternative, of course, is that depression has a secret purpose and our medical interventions are making a bad situation even worse. Like a fever that helps the immune system fight off infection — increased body temperature sends white blood cells into overdrive — depression might be an unpleasant yet adaptive response to affliction. Maybe Darwin was right. We suffer — we suffer terribly — but we don’t suffer in vain.

ANDY THOMSON IS a psychiatrist at the University of Virginia. He has a scruffy gray beard and steep cheekbones. When Thomson talks, he tends to close his eyes, as if he needs to concentrate on what he’s saying. But mostly what he does is listen: For the last 32 years, Thomson has been tending to his private practice in Charlottesville. “I tend to get the real hard cases,” Thomson told me recently. “A lot of the people I see have already tried multiple treatments. They arrive without much hope.” On one of the days I spent with Thomson earlier this winter, he checked his phone constantly for e-mail updates. A patient of his on “welfare watch” who was required to check in with him regularly had not done so, and Thomson was worried. “I’ve never gotten used to treating patients in mental pain,” he said. “Maybe it’s because every story is unique. You see one case of iron-deficiency anemia, you’ve seen them all. But the people who walk into my office are all hurting for a different reason.”

In the late 1990s, Thomson became interested in evolutionary psychology, which tries to explain the features of the human mind in terms of natural selection. The starting premise of the field is that the brain has a vast evolutionary history, and that this history shapes human nature. We are not a blank slate but a byproduct of imperfect adaptations, stuck with a mind that was designed to meet the needs of Pleistocene hunter-gatherers on the African savanna. While the specifics of evolutionary psychology remain controversial — it’s never easy proving theories about the distant past — its underlying assumption is largely accepted by mainstream scientists. There is no longer much debate over whether evolution sculptured the fleshy machine inside our head. Instead, researchers have moved on to new questions like when and how this sculpturing happened and which of our mental traits are adaptations and which are accidents.

In 2004, Thomson met Paul Andrews, an evolutionary psychologist at Virginia Commonwealth University, who had long been interested in the depression paradox — why a disorder that’s so costly is also so common. Andrews has long dark brown hair and an aquiline nose. Before he begins to talk, he often writes down an outline of his answer on scratch paper. “This is a very delicate subject,” he says. “I don’t want to say something reckless.”

Andrews and Thomson struck up an extended conversation on the evolutionary roots of depression. They began by focusing on the thought process that defines the disorder, which is known as rumination. (The verb is derived from the Latin word for “chewed over,” which describes the act of digestion in cattle, in which they swallow, regurgitate and then rechew their food.) In recent decades, psychiatry has come to see rumination as a dangerous mental habit, because it leads people to fixate on their flaws and problems, thus extending their negative moods. Consider “The Depressed Person,” a short story by David Foster Wallace, which chronicles a consciousness in the grip of the ruminative cycle. (Wallace struggled with severe depression for years before committing suicide in 2008.) The story is a long lament, a portrait of a mind hating itself, filled with sentences like this: “What terms might be used to describe such a solipsistic, self-consumed, bottomless emotional vacuum and sponge as she now appeared to herself to be?” The dark thoughts of “The Depressed Person” soon grow tedious and trying, but that’s precisely Wallace’s point. There is nothing profound about depressive rumination. There is just a recursive loop of woe.

The bleakness of this thought process helps explain why, according to the Yale psychologist Susan Nolen-Hoeksema, people with “ruminative tendencies” are more likely to become depressed. They’re also more likely to become unnerved by stressful events: for instance, Nolen-Hoeksema found that residents of San Francisco who self-identified as ruminators showed significantly more depressive symptoms after the 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake. And then there are the cognitive deficits. Because rumination hijacks the stream of consciousness — we become exquisitely attentive to our pain — numerous studies have found that depressed subjects struggle to think about anything else, just like Wallace’s character. The end result is poor performance on tests for memory and executive function, especially when the task involves lots of information. (These deficits disappear when test subjects are first distracted from their depression and thus better able to focus on the exercise.) Such research has reinforced the view that rumination is a useless kind of pessimism, a perfect waste of mental energy.

That, at least, was the scientific consensus when Andrews and Thomson began exploring the depression paradox. Their evolutionary perspective, however — they see the mind as a fine-tuned machine that is not prone to pointless programming bugs — led them to wonder if rumination had a purpose. They started with the observation that rumination was often a response to a specific psychological blow, like the death of a loved one or the loss of a job. (Darwin was plunged into a debilitating grief after his 10-year-old daughter, Annie, died following a bout of scarlet fever.) Although the D.S.M. manual, the diagnostic bible for psychiatrists, does not take such stressors into account when diagnosing depressive disorder — the exception is grief caused by bereavement, as long as the grief doesn’t last longer than two months — it’s clear that the problems of everyday life play a huge role in causing mental illness. “Of course, rumination is unpleasant,” Andrews says. “But it’s usually a response to something real, a real setback. It didn’t seem right that the brain would go haywire just when we need it most.”

Imagine, for instance, a depression triggered by a bitter divorce. The ruminations might take the form of regret (“I should have been a better spouse”), recurring counterfactuals (“What if I hadn’t had my affair?”) and anxiety about the future (“How will the kids deal with it? Can I afford my alimony payments?”). While such thoughts reinforce the depression — that’s why therapists try to stop the ruminative cycle — Andrews and Thomson wondered if they might also help people prepare for bachelorhood or allow people to learn from their mistakes. “I started thinking about how, even if you are depressed for a few months, the depression might be worth it if it helps you better understand social relationships,” Andrews says. “Maybe you realize you need to be less rigid or more loving. Those are insights that can come out of depression, and they can be very valuable.”

This radical idea — the scientists were suggesting that depressive disorder came with a net mental benefit — has a long intellectual history. Aristotle was there first, stating in the fourth century B.C. “that all men who have attained excellence in philosophy, in poetry, in art and in politics, even Socrates and Plato, had a melancholic habitus; indeed some suffered even from melancholic disease.” This belief was revived during the Renaissance, leading Milton to exclaim, in his poem “Il Penseroso”: “Hail divinest Melancholy/Whose saintly visage is too bright/To hit the sense of human sight.” The Romantic poets took the veneration of sadness to its logical extreme and described suffering as a prerequisite for the literary life. As Keats wrote, “Do you not see how necessary a World of Pains and troubles is to school an intelligence and make it a soul?”

But Andrews and Thomson weren’t interested in ancient aphorisms or poetic apologias. Their daunting challenge was to show how rumination might lead to improved outcomes, especially when it comes to solving life’s most difficult dilemmas. Their first speculations focused on the core features of depression, like the inability of depressed subjects to experience pleasure or their lack of interest in food, sex and social interactions. According to Andrews and Thomson, these awful symptoms came with a productive side effect, because they reduced the possibility of becoming distracted from the pressing problem.

The capacity for intense focus, they note, relies in large part on a brain area called the left ventrolateral prefrontal cortex (VLPFC), which is located a few inches behind the forehead. While this area has been associated with a wide variety of mental talents, like conceptual knowledge and verb conjugation, it seems to be especially important for maintaining attention. Experiments show that neurons in the VLPFC must fire continuously to keep us on task so that we don’t become sidetracked by irrelevant information. Furthermore, deficits in the VLPFC have been associated with attention-deficit disorder.

Several studies found an increase in brain activity (as measured indirectly by blood flow) in the VLPFC of depressed patients. Most recently, a paper to be published next month by neuroscientists in China found a spike in “functional connectivity” between the lateral prefrontal cortex and other parts of the brain in depressed patients, with more severe depressions leading to more prefrontal activity. One explanation for this finding is that the hyperactive VLPFC underlies rumination, allowing people to stay focused on their problem. (Andrews and Thomson argue that this relentless fixation also explains the cognitive deficits of depressed subjects, as they are too busy thinking about their real-life problems to bother with an artificial lab exercise; their VLPFC can’t be bothered to care.) Human attention is a scarce resource — the neural effects of depression make sure the resource is efficiently allocated.

But the reliance on the VLPFC doesn’t just lead us to fixate on our depressing situation; it also leads to an extremely analytical style of thinking. That’s because rumination is largely rooted in working memory, a kind of mental scratchpad that allows us to “work” with all the information stuck in consciousness. When people rely on working memory — and it doesn’t matter if they’re doing long division or contemplating a relationship gone wrong — they tend to think in a more deliberate fashion, breaking down their complex problems into their simpler parts.

The bad news is that this deliberate thought process is slow, tiresome and prone to distraction; the prefrontal cortex soon grows exhausted and gives out. Andrews and Thomson see depression as a way of bolstering our feeble analytical skills, making it easier to pay continuous attention to a difficult dilemma. The downcast mood and activation of the VLPFC are part of a “coordinated system” that, Andrews and Thomson say, exists “for the specific purpose of effectively analyzing the complex life problem that triggered the depression.” If depression didn’t exist — if we didn’t react to stress and trauma with endless ruminations — then we would be less likely to solve our predicaments. Wisdom isn’t cheap, and we pay for it with pain.

Consider a young professor on tenure track who was treated by Thomson. The patient was having difficulties with his academic department. “This guy was used to success coming easy, but now it wasn’t,” Thomson says. “I made it clear that I thought he’d need some time to figure out his next step. His problem was like a splinter, and the pain wouldn’t go away until the splinter was removed.” Should the patient leave the department? Should he leave academia? Or should he try to resolve the disagreement? Over the next several weeks, Thomson helped the patient analyze his situation and carefully think through the alternatives. “We took it one variable at a time,” Thomson says. “And it eventually became clear to him that the departmental issues couldn’t be fixed. He needed to leave. Once he came to that conclusion, he started feeling better.”

The publication of Andrews and Thomson’s 36,000-word paper in the July 2009 issue of Psychological Review had a polarizing effect on the field. While some researchers, like Jerome Wakefield, a professor at New York University who specializes in the conceptual foundations of clinical theory, greeted the paper as “an extremely important first step toward the re-evaluation of depression,” other psychiatrists regarded it as little more than irresponsible speculation, a justification for human suffering. Peter Kramer, a professor of psychiatry and human behavior at Brown University, describes the paper as “a ladder with a series of weak rungs.” Kramer has long defended the use of antidepressants — his landmark work, “Listening to Prozac,” chronicled the profound improvements of patients taking the drugs — and criticized those who romanticized depression, which he compares to the glamorization of tuberculosis in the late 19th century. In a series of e-mail messages to me, Kramer suggested that Andrews and Thomson neglect the variants of depression that don’t fit their evolutionary theory. “This study says nothing about chronic depression and the sort of self-hating, paralyzing, hopeless, circular rumination it inspires,” Kramer wrote. And what about post-stroke depression? Late-life depression? Extreme depressive condition? Kramer argues that there’s a clear category difference between a healthy response to social stressors and the response of people with depressive disorder. “Depression is not really like sadness,” Kramer has written. “It’s more an oppressive flattening of feeling.”

Even scientists who are sympathetic to what Andrews and Thomson call the “analytic-rumination hypothesis” remain critical of its details. Ed Hagen, an anthropologist at Washington State University who is working on a book with Andrews, says that while the analytic-rumination hypothesis has persuaded him that some depressive symptoms might improve problem-solving skills, he remains unconvinced that it is a sufficient explanation for depression. “Individuals with major depression often don’t groom, bathe and sometimes don’t even use the toilet,” Hagen says. They also significantly “reduce investment in child care,” which could have detrimental effects on the survival of offspring. The steep fitness costs of these behaviors, Hagen says, would not be offset by “more uninterrupted time to think.”

Other scientists, including Randolph Nesse at the University of Michigan, say that complex psychiatric disorders like depression rarely have simple evolutionary explanations. In fact, the analytic-rumination hypothesis is merely the latest attempt to explain the prevalence of depression. There is, for example, the “plea for help” theory, which suggests that depression is a way of eliciting assistance from loved ones. There’s also the “signal of defeat” hypothesis, which argues that feelings of despair after a loss in social status help prevent unnecessary attacks; we’re too busy sulking to fight back. And then there’s “depressive realism”: several studies have found that people with depression have a more accurate view of reality and are better at predicting future outcomes. While each of these speculations has scientific support, none are sufficient to explain an illness that afflicts so many people. The moral, Nesse says, is that sadness, like happiness, has many functions.

Although Nesse says he admires the analytic-rumination hypothesis, he adds that it fails to capture the heterogeneity of depressive disorder. Andrews and Thomson compare depression to a fever helping to fight off infection, but Nesse says a more accurate metaphor is chronic pain, which can arise for innumerable reasons. “Sometimes, the pain is going to have an organic source,” he says. “Maybe you’ve slipped a disc or pinched a nerve, in which case you’ve got to solve that underlying problem. But much of the time there is no origin for the pain. The pain itself is the dysfunction.”

Andrews and Thomson respond to such criticisms by acknowledging that depression is a vast continuum, a catch-all term for a spectrum of symptoms. While the analytic-rumination hypothesis might explain those patients reacting to an “acute stressor,” it can’t account for those whose suffering has no discernible cause or whose sadness refuses to lift for years at a time. “To say that depression can be useful doesn’t mean it’s always going to be useful,” Thomson says. “Sometimes, the symptoms can spiral out of control. The problem, though, is that as a society, we’ve come to see depression as something that must always be avoided or medicated away. We’ve been so eager to remove the stigma from depression that we’ve ended up stigmatizing sadness.”

For Thomson, this new theory of depression has directly affected his medical practice. “That’s the litmus test for me,” he says. “Do these ideas help me treat my patients better?” In recent years, Thomson has cut back on antidepressant prescriptions, because, he says, he now believes that the drugs can sometimes interfere with genuine recovery, making it harder for people to resolve their social dilemmas. “I remember one patient who came in and said she needed to reduce her dosage,” he says. “I asked her if the antidepressants were working, and she said something I’ll never forget. ‘Yes, they’re working great,’ she told me. ‘I feel so much better. But I’m still married to the same alcoholic son of a bitch. It’s just now he’s tolerable.’ ”

The point is the woman was depressed for a reason; her pain was about something. While the drugs made her feel better, no real progress was ever made. Thomson’s skepticism about antidepressants is bolstered by recent studies questioning their benefits, at least for patients with moderate depression. Consider a 2005 paper led by Steven Hollon, a psychologist at Vanderbilt University: he found that people on antidepressants had a 76 percent chance of relapse within a year when the drugs were discontinued. In contrast, patients given a form of cognitive talk therapy had a relapse rate of 31 percent. And Hollon’s data aren’t unusual: several studies found that patients treated with medication were approximately twice as likely to relapse as patients treated with cognitive behavior therapy. “The high relapse rate suggests that the drugs aren’t really solving anything,” Thomson says. “In fact, they seem to be interfering with the solution, so that patients are discouraged from dealing with their problems. We end up having to keep people on the drugs forever. It was as if these people have a bodily infection, and modern psychiatry is just treating their fever.”

Thomson describes a college student who was referred to his practice. “It was clear that this patient was in a lot of pain,” Thomson says. “He couldn’t sleep, couldn’t study. He had some family issues” — his parents were recently divorced — “and his father was exerting a tremendous amount of pressure on him to go to graduate school. Because he’s got a family history of depression, the standard of care would be to put him on drugs right away. And a few years ago, that’s what I would have done.”

Instead, Thomson was determined to help the student solve his problem. “What you’re trying to do is speed along the rumination process,” Thomson says. “Once you show people the dilemma they need to solve, they almost always start feeling better.” He cites as evidence a recent study that found “expressive writing” — asking depressed subjects to write essays about their feelings — led to significantly shorter depressive episodes. The reason, Thomson suggests, is that writing is a form of thinking, which enhances our natural problem-solving abilities. “This doesn’t mean there’s some miracle cure,” he says. “In most cases, the recovery period is going to be long and difficult. And that’s what I told this young student. I said: ‘I know you’re hurting. I know these problems seem impossible. But they’re not. And I can help you solve them.’ ”

IT’S TOO SOON to judge the analytic-rumination hypothesis. Nobody knows if depression is an adaptation or if Andrews and Thomson have merely spun another “Just So” story, a clever evolutionary tale that lacks direct evidence. Nevertheless, their speculation is part of a larger scientific re-evaluation of negative moods, which have long been seen as emotional states to avoid. The dismissal of sadness and its synonyms is perhaps best exemplified by the rise of positive psychology, a scientific field devoted to the pursuit of happiness. In recent years, a number of positive psychologists have written popular self-help books, like “The How of Happiness” and “Authentic Happiness,” that try to outline the scientific principles behind “lasting fulfillment” and “getting the life we want.”

The new research on negative moods, however, suggests that sadness comes with its own set of benefits and that even our most unpleasant feelings serve an important purpose. Joe Forgas, a social psychologist at the University of New South Wales in Australia, has repeatedly demonstrated in experiments that negative moods lead to better decisions in complex situations. The reason, Forgas suggests, is rooted in the intertwined nature of mood and cognition: sadness promotes “information-processing strategies best suited to dealing with more-demanding situations.” This helps explain why test subjects who are melancholy — Forgas induces the mood with a short film about death and cancer — are better at judging the accuracy of rumors and recalling past events; they’re also much less likely to stereotype strangers.

Last year Forgas ventured beyond the lab and began conducting studies in a small stationery store in suburban Sydney, Australia. The experiment itself was simple: Forgas placed a variety of trinkets, like toy soldiers, plastic animals and miniature cars, near the checkout counter. As shoppers exited, Forgas tested their memory, asking them to list as many of the items as possible. To control for the effect of mood, Forgas conducted the survey on gray, rainy days — he accentuated the weather by playing Verdi’s “Requiem” — and on sunny days, using a soundtrack of Gilbert and Sullivan. The results were clear: shoppers in the “low mood” condition remembered nearly four times as many of the trinkets. The wet weather made them sad, and their sadness made them more aware and attentive.

The enhancement of these mental skills might also explain the striking correlation between creative production and depressive disorders. In a survey led by the neuroscientist Nancy Andreasen, 30 writers from the Iowa Writers’ Workshop were interviewed about their mental history. Eighty percent of the writers met the formal diagnostic criteria for some form of depression. A similar theme emerged from biographical studies of British writers and artists by Kay Redfield Jamison, a professor of psychiatry at Johns Hopkins, who found that successful individuals were eight times as likely as people in the general population to suffer from major depressive illness.

Why is mental illness so closely associated with creativity? Andreasen argues that depression is intertwined with a “cognitive style” that makes people more likely to produce successful works of art. In the creative process, Andreasen says, “one of the most important qualities is persistence.” Based on the Iowa sample, Andreasen found that “successful writers are like prizefighters who keep on getting hit but won’t go down. They’ll stick with it until it’s right.” While Andreasen acknowledges the burden of mental illness — she quotes Robert Lowell on depression not being a “gift of the Muse” and describes his reliance on lithium to escape the pain — she argues that many forms of creativity benefit from the relentless focus it makes possible. “Unfortunately, this type of thinking is often inseparable from the suffering,” she says. “If you’re at the cutting edge, then you’re going to bleed.”

And then there’s the virtue of self-loathing, which is one of the symptoms of depression. When people are stuck in the ruminative spiral, their achievements become invisible; the mind is only interested in what has gone wrong. While this condition is typically linked to withdrawal and silence — people become unwilling to communicate — there’s some suggestive evidence that states of unhappiness can actually improve our expressive abilities. Forgas said he has found that sadness correlates with clearer and more compelling sentences, and that negative moods “promote a more concrete, accommodative and ultimately more successful communication style.” Because we’re more critical of what we’re writing, we produce more refined prose, the sentences polished by our angst. As Roland Barthes observed, “A creative writer is one for whom writing is a problem.”

This line of research led Andrews to conduct his own experiment, as he sought to better understand the link between negative mood and improved analytical abilities. He gave 115 undergraduates an abstract-reasoning test known as Raven’s Progressive Matrices, which requires subjects to identify a missing segment in a larger pattern. (Performance on the task strongly predicts general intelligence.) The first thing Andrews found was that nondepressed students showed an increase in “depressed affect” after taking the test. In other words, the mere presence of a challenging problem — even an abstract puzzle — induced a kind of attentive trance, which led to feelings of sadness. It doesn’t matter if we’re working on a mathematical equation or working through a broken heart: the anatomy of focus is inseparable from the anatomy of melancholy. This suggests that depressive disorder is an extreme form of an ordinary thought process, part of the dismal machinery that draws us toward our problems, like a magnet to metal.

But is that closeness effective? Does the despondency help us solve anything? Andrews found a significant correlation between depressed affect and individual performance on the intelligence test, at least once the subjects were distracted from their pain: lower moods were associated with higher scores. “The results were clear,” Andrews says. “Depressed affect made people think better.” The challenge, of course, is persuading people to accept their misery, to embrace the tonic of despair. To say that depression has a purpose or that sadness makes us smarter says nothing about its awfulness. A fever, after all, might have benefits, but we still take pills to make it go away. This is the paradox of evolution: even if our pain is useful, the urge to escape from the pain remains the most powerful instinct of all.

Jonah Lehrer is the author of “How We Decide” and of the blog The Frontal Cortex. This is his first article for the magazine.

Source: The New York Times
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#102683 From: Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...>
Date: Tue Mar 2, 2010 1:04 am
Subject: Re: [evol-psych] Climategate World is Not Warming
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RAF, and Helga,

Saw an interview with Warren Buffet today in which he commented that even if there were only 20% probability that humans were causing SOME global effect on climate warming it would be essential to do something about it. He said he thinks it considerably more likely than that, but even if the effect were small it would be necessary to do something about it.

That to me is the essence of the solution, and an approach that all camps should be able to agree on ....

Edgar



On Mar 1, 2010, at 10:59 AM, R A Fonda wrote:

 

Helga, you state that you are losing patience with people who are not climatologists expressing opinions on anthropogenic climate change.
 
I am trying to focus on the POLITICAL, social, and economic issues that arise from the proposals that are SUPPOSEDLY based on the scientific data. I doubt you would insist that only climatologists can have a voice in the decision as to whether we should have 'cap and trade' legislation.
 
In fact, I AGREE that liberating fossil carbon is likely to have very significant effects on climate IN THE LONG RUN, and 'all else being equal'. One point I make is that in-the-long-run OTHER crises will reduce our overpopulation anyway, certainly ameliorating carbon problems. Another point I make is that 'all things' are NOT 'the same'. There appears, for instance, to be reduced total solar irradiance at present, suggesting a "solar minimum" which might be as long and severe as the Maunder Minimum, but even if it is only as short as the Dalton Minimum, it gives us at least another decade during which we can take careful consideration of alternatives. Finally, I completely reject the suggested POLITICAL 'solutions' such as cap and trade and western asset redistribution.
 
I would certainly support sensible programs such as reforestation and seeding the central Pacific with nano-particles of iron to induce bio-fixation and subsequent sequestrtion of carbon, among many other ways of actually doing something useful.
 
Climatologists are NOT the only people fit to make decisions on socio-POLITICAL and economic proposals. Sadly, they have even failed to inspire confidence in their scientific integrity, so ordinary people are left to wonder if we can trust the data they present.
 
RAF



#102684 From: "Robert Karl Stonjek" <stonjek@...>
Date: Tue Mar 2, 2010 9:45 am
Subject: News: Darkness increases dishonest behavior
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Darkness increases dishonest behavior

March 1st, 2010 in Medicine & Health / Psychology & Psychiatry

Darkness can conceal identity and encourage moral transgressions; thus Ralph Waldo Emerson wrote in "Worship" in The Conduct of Life (1860), "as gaslight is the best nocturnal police, so the universe protects itself by pitiless publicity."

New research in Psychological Science, a journal of the Association for Psychological Science, shows that darkness may also induce a psychological feeling of illusory anonymity, just as children playing "hide and seek" will close their eyes and believe that other cannot see them, the experience of darkness, even one as subtle as wearing a pair of sunglasses, triggers the belief that we are warded from others' attention and inspections.

Psychological scientists Chen-Bo Zhong, Vanessa K. Bohns (both of University of Toronto's Rotman School of Management), and Francesca Gino (University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill) conducted three experiments to test whether darkness can license dishonest and self-interested behaviors.

In the first experiment, participants were placed in a dimly or well-lit room and received a brown envelope that contained $10 along with one empty white envelope. They were then asked to complete a worksheet with 20 matrices, each consisting of 12 three-digit numbers. The participants had five minutes to find two numbers in each matrix that added up to 10.

The researchers left it up to the participants to score their own work and for each pair of numbers correctly indentified they could keep $0.50 from their supply of money. At the end of the experiment, the participants were asked to place the remainder of their money into the white envelope on their way out. While there was no difference in actual performance, participants in the slightly dim room cheated more and thus earned more undeserved money than those in a well-lit room.

In the second experiment, some participants wore a pair of sunglasses and others wore clear glasses while interacting with an ostensible stranger in a different room (in actuality participants interacted with the experimenter). Each person had $6 to allocate between him-or herself and the recipient and could keep what he or she didn't offer. Participants wearing sunglasses behaved more selfishly by giving significantly less than those wearing clear glasses.

In the third experiment, the scientists replicated the previous experiment and then measured the extent to which participants felt anonymous during the experiment. Once again, those wearing sunglasses gave significantly less money and furthermore, those wearing sunglasses reported feeling more anonymous during the study.

Across all three experiments, darkness had no bearing on actual anonymity, yet it still increased morally questionable behaviors. The researchers suggest that the experience of darkness may induce a sense of anonymity that is disproportionate from actual anonymity in a given situation. Zhong explains, "Imagine that a person alone in a closed room is deciding whether to lie to a total stranger in an email. Clearly, whether the room is well-lit or not would not affect the person's actual level of anonymity. Nevertheless, darkness may license unethical behavior in such situations."

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#102685 From: "Robert Karl Stonjek" <stonjek@...>
Date: Tue Mar 2, 2010 9:25 am
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March 1st, 2010 in Other Sciences / Archaeology & Fossils
Roman era York may have been more diverse than todayA computerised reconstruction of how the Ivory Bangle Lady could have looked. Image credit: Dr Hella Eckardt/University of Reading

(PhysOrg.com) -- A new archaeological study in Britain has shown that its multi-cultural nature is not a new phenomenon, but that even in Roman times there was a strong African influence, with North Africans moving in high social circles.

The study, led by Dr Hella Eckardt of the Department of Archaeology at Reading University, used pioneering forensic techniques to study fourth century artifacts and bones in the Yorkshire Museum’s collections in York. The researchers used isotope analysis and forensic ancestry assessment to analyze the items, which included the “Ivory Bangle Lady” skeleton and goods buried with her.

The Ivory Bangle Lady remains were found in August 1901 in a stone coffin unearthed in Bootham, where a group of graves were found. The grave has been dated to the latter half of the fourth century. Items buried with the Lady included expensive luxury items such African elephant ivory bracelets, beads, pendants and other jewelry, a blue glass jug, a glass mirror, and Yorkshire jet. A rectangular bone mount, possibly for a wooden coffin, was also found in the grave. An inscription on the bone, “Hail sister, may you live in God,” suggests the woman held religious beliefs and may have been Christian. She is believed to have been one of the richest inhabitants of the city.

The researchers analyzed and measured the Lady’s skull and facial features, and looked at the chemical signatures of her diet. They also examined the burial site to build a picture of her social status and ancestry.

Dr Eckardt said the results showed the Ivory Bangle Lady was of mixed ancestry, and the isotope analysis suggested she may have migrated to Britain from a warmer climate. This evidence, along with the goods found in the ground, and the fact the burial rite was unusual, all point to the her having been of North African descent, arriving in Britain possibly via the Mediterranean, and she was of high social status.

Roman era York may have been more diverse than today

The analysis of the Lady and other skeletons and artifacts contradicts the popular assumption about Britain in Roman times that African immigrants were usually males, of low status, and most were slaves, and shows that high status women from Africa were also present in the society. Dr Eckardt said the research on the Lady and other skeletons suggest the society was as diverse, and possibly more diverse than it is today.

The Roman Empire extended into the Near and Middle East, North Africa, and included Europe, and there were great movements of people throughout the Empire, both voluntary and involuntary. York (or Eboracum, as it was then known) was an important city of the period and eventually was named capital of “Britannia Inferior.” Emperor Septimius Severus, who was born in North Africa, was one of two Roman Emperors who visited Eboracum, and died there.

The paper is published in this month’s edition of the journal Antiquity. The skeleton and artifacts will be displayed in August as part of the Yorkshire Museum’s exhibition: Roman York — Meet the People of the Empire. Roman era York may have been more diverse than today

More information: A Lady of York: migration, ethnicity and identity in Roman Britain, Antiquity, Volume: 84 Number: 323 Page: 131-145. http://antiquity.ac.uk/ant/084/ant0840131.htm

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#102686 From: "Robert Karl Stonjek" <stonjek@...>
Date: Tue Mar 2, 2010 9:12 am
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Tiny shelled creatures shed light on extinction and recovery 65 million years ago
March 1st, 2010 in Space & Earth / Earth Sciences
Tiny shelled creatures shed light on extinction and recovery 65 million years agoScanning electron micrograph of the nanofossil Chiasmolithus from about 60 million years ago. This genus arose after the Cretacious Paleogene boundary mass extinction. The size about 8 microns. Credit: Timothy Bralower; Penn State

An asteroid strike may not only account for the demise of ocean and land life 65 million years ago, but the fireball's path and the resulting dust, darkness and toxic metal contamination may explain the geographic unevenness of extinctions and recovery, according to Penn State geoscientists.

"Our results shed light on the causes of nannoplankton extinction, how productivity was restored, the factors that controlled the origination of new species, and, ultimately, how phytoplankton influenced restoration of the entire marine ecosystem," the researchers report in this month's issue of Nature Geoscience.

The researchers, using 823 samples from 17 drilling sites in both the Northern and Southern Hemispheres, analyzed the community structure of calcareous -- shelled -- nannoplankton. Included in their study were two sites -- one in the Pacific and one in the South Atlantic -- with reliable, accurate dating.

"At the Cretaceous-Paleogene boundary, 93 percent of the nannoplankton went extinct," said Timothy J. Bralower, head and professor of geosciences. "Nannoplankton are the base of the food chain in the ocean. If they go extinct, other, larger organisms that feed on them have problems."

Scientists have collected large amounts of data on nannoplankton from this time period, but, according to Bralower, each sampling was looked at separately, and no one compiled the separate sampling results. Bralower, working with Shijun Jiang, postdoctoral fellow now at Florida State University and Mark E. Patzkowsky, associate professor of geosciences; Lee R. Kump, professor of geosciences, and Jonathan D. Schueth, graduate student in geosciences, all of Penn State, found that extinction level correlates with latitude. The highest rate of extinctions is in the Northern Hemisphere with decreasing extinction levels in the Southern Hemisphere.

Analysis of the signature of the asteroid that initiated the extinction event shows that the asteroid came into our atmosphere in the southeast and traveled toward the northwest ultimately colliding with Earth on the tip of the Yucatan Peninsula in Mexico.

"This agrees with the fact that North American land plants were hammered and there was an especially sever mass extinction on that continent," said Bralower.

The initial dust and debris from the impact crater hit the Northern Hemisphere first and hardest. Low-diversity opportunistic organisms that appear when other nannoplankton disappear persisted in the Northern Hemisphere for 40 thousand years after the impact and this hemisphere then took 270 thousand years to recover. In the south, only intermediate levels of extinction occurred and greater diversity persisted, which agrees with the minor land plant changes in the Southern Hemisphere.Tiny shelled creatures shed light on extinction and recovery 65 million years ago

This compilation of scanning electron microscope images of organisms includes, at left, Paleocene nannofossils from 60-55 million years ago. These fossils are all post Cretacious Paleogene boundary. At right are several living nannoplankton species. Most of the objects in this compilation are also about 8 microns. Credit: Timothy Bralower; Penn State

The darkness caused by the collision would impair photosynthesis and reduce nannoplankton reproduction. While full darkness did not occur, the effects in the north would have lasted for up to six months. However, with ample sunlight and large amounts of nutrients in the oceans, the populations should have bounced back, even in the North, but they did not. The researchers suggest that toxic metals that where part of the asteroid, heavily contaminated the Northern oceans and were the major factor inhibiting recovery.

"Metal loading is a great potential mechanism to delay recovery," said Bralower. "Toxic levels in the parts per billions of copper, nickel, cadmium and iron could have inhibited recovery."

On the one hand, the researchers considered an impact scenario causing perpetual winter and ocean acidification to explain the slow recovery, but neither explains the lag between Southern and Northern Hemispheres. Trace metal poisoning, on the other hand, would have been severe near the impact in the Northern Hemisphere. When the high temperature debris from the impact hit the water, copper, chromium, aluminum, mercury and lead would have dissolved into the seawater at likely lethal levels for plankton. Iron, zinc and manganese -- normally micronutrients -- would reach harmful levels shortly after the impact. Other metal sources might be acid-rain leached soils or the effects of wildfires. Metals like these can inhibit reproduction or shell formation.

The toxic metals probably exceeded the ability of organic compounds to bind them and remove them from the system. Because nannoplankton are the base of the food chain, larger organisms concentrate any metals found in nannoplankton making the metal poisoning more effective. With the remaining in the oceans and the lack of sunlight, the length of time for recovery might increase.

"We still do not really know why some things die out, while others hang on by a shoestring and eventually recover," said Bralower.

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#102687 From: "Robert Karl Stonjek" <stonjek@...>
Date: Tue Mar 2, 2010 9:56 am
Subject: News: Study proves conclusively that violent video game play makes more aggressive kids
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Study proves conclusively that violent video game play makes more aggressive kids
March 1st, 2010 in Medicine & Health / Psychology & Psychiatry

Iowa State University Distinguished Professor of Psychology Craig Anderson has made much of his life's work studying how violent video game play affects youth behavior. And he says a new study he led, analyzing 130 research reports on more than 130,000 subjects worldwide, proves conclusively that exposure to violent video games makes more aggressive, less caring kids -- regardless of their age, sex or culture.

The study was published today in the March 2010 issue of the , an American Psychological Association journal. It reports that exposure to violent video games is a causal risk factor for increased aggressive thoughts and behavior, and decreased empathy and prosocial behavior in youths.

"We can now say with utmost confidence that regardless of research method -- that is experimental, correlational, or longitudinal -- and regardless of the cultures tested in this study [East and West], you get the same effects," said Anderson, who is also director of Iowa State's Center for the Study of Violence. "And the effects are that exposure to violent video games increases the likelihood of aggressive behavior in both short-term and long-term contexts. Such exposure also increases aggressive thinking and aggressive affect, and decreases prosocial behavior."

The study was conducted by a team of eight researchers, including ISU psychology graduate students Edward Swing and Muniba Saleem; and Brad Bushman, a former Iowa State psychology professor who now is on the faculty at the University of Michigan. Also on the team were the top video game researchers from Japan - Akiko Shibuya from Keio University and Nobuko Ihori from Ochanomizu University - and Hannah Rothstein, a noted scholar on meta-analytic review from the City University of New York.

The team used meta-analytic procedures -- the statistical methods used to analyze and combine results from previous, related literature -- to test the effects of violent video game play on the behaviors, thoughts and feelings of the individuals, ranging from elementary school-aged children to college undergraduates.

The research also included new longitudinal data which provided further confirmation that playing violent video games is a causal risk factor for long-term harmful outcomes.

"These are not huge effects -- not on the order of joining a gang vs. not joining a gang," said Anderson. "But these effects are also not trivial in size. It is one risk factor for future aggression and other sort of negative outcomes. And it's a risk factor that's easy for an individual parent to deal with -- at least, easier than changing most other known risk factors for aggression and violence, such as poverty or one's genetic structure."

The analysis found that violent video game effects are significant in both Eastern and Western cultures, in males and females, and in all age groups. Although there are good theoretical reasons to expect the long-term harmful effects to be higher in younger, pre-teen youths, there was only weak evidence of such age effects.

The researchers conclude that the study has important implications for public policy debates, including development and testing of potential intervention strategies designed to reduce the harmful effects of playing violent video games.

"From a public policy standpoint, it's time to get off the question of, 'Are there real and serious effects?' That's been answered and answered repeatedly," Anderson said. "It's now time to move on to a more constructive question like, 'How do we make it easier for parents -- within the limits of culture, society and law -- to provide a healthier childhood for their kids?'"

But Anderson knows it will take time for the creation and implementation of effective new policies. And until then, there is plenty parents can do to protect their kids at home.

"Just like your child's diet and the foods you have available for them to eat in the house, you should be able to control the content of the video games they have available to play in your home," he said. "And you should be able to explain to them why certain kinds of games are not allowed in the house -- conveying your own values. You should convey the message that one should always be looking for more constructive solutions to disagreements and conflict."

Anderson says the new study may be his last meta-analysis on violent video games because of its definitive findings. Largely because of his extensive work on violent video game effects, Anderson was chosen as one of the three 2010 American Psychological Association Distinguished Scientist Lecturers. He will give a lecture at October's New England Psychological Association (NEPA) meeting in Colchester, Vt.

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#102688 From: Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...>
Date: Tue Mar 2, 2010 1:21 pm
Subject: Re: [evol-psych] News: Roman era York may have been more diverse than today
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Robert,

This is not unexpected. N. Africa was long a colony of Rome (since the Punic wars), in fact several of the Roman emperors including Septimius Severus were N. African (Libyan) natives, and there was considerable travel back and forth among the Roman colonies so it is not at all unusual that Romans with some black African ancestry would be among the wealthy in 4th century Britain and other Roman areas.

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Roman era York may have been more diverse than today
March 1st, 2010 in Other Sciences / Archaeology & Fossils
Roman era York may have been more diverse than todayA computerised reconstruction of how the Ivory Bangle Lady could have looked. Image credit: Dr Hella Eckardt/University of Reading

(PhysOrg.com) -- A new archaeological study in Britain has shown that its multi-cultural nature is not a new phenomenon, but that even in Roman times there was a strong African influence, with North Africans moving in high social circles.

The study, led by Dr Hella Eckardt of the Department of Archaeology at Reading University, used pioneering forensic techniques to study fourth century artifacts and bones in the Yorkshire Museum’s collections in York. The researchers used isotope analysis and forensic ancestry assessment to analyze the items, which included the “Ivory Bangle Lady” skeleton and goods buried with her.

The Ivory Bangle Lady remains were found in August 1901 in a stone coffin unearthed in Bootham, where a group of graves were found. The grave has been dated to the latter half of the fourth century. Items buried with the Lady included expensive luxury items such African elephant ivory bracelets, beads, pendants and other jewelry, a blue glass jug, a glass mirror, and Yorkshire jet. A rectangular bone mount, possibly for a wooden coffin, was also found in the grave. An inscription on the bone, “Hail sister, may you live in God,” suggests the woman held religious beliefs and may have been Christian. She is believed to have been one of the richest inhabitants of the city.

The researchers analyzed and measured the Lady’s skull and facial features, and looked at the chemical signatures of her diet. They also examined the burial site to build a picture of her social status and ancestry.

Dr Eckardt said the results showed the Ivory Bangle Lady was of mixed ancestry, and the isotope analysis suggested she may have migrated to Britain from a warmer climate. This evidence, along with the goods found in the ground, and the fact the burial rite was unusual, all point to the her having been of North African descent, arriving in Britain possibly via the Mediterranean, and she was of high social status.

Roman era York may have been more diverse than today

The analysis of the Lady and other skeletons and artifacts contradicts the popular assumption about Britain in Roman times that African immigrants were usually males, of low status, and most were slaves, and shows that high status women from Africa were also present in the society. Dr Eckardt said the research on the Lady and other skeletons suggest the society was as diverse, and possibly more diverse than it is today.

The Roman Empire extended into the Near and Middle East, North Africa, and included Europe, and there were great movements of people throughout the Empire, both voluntary and involuntary. York (or Eboracum, as it was then known) was an important city of the period and eventually was named capital of “Britannia Inferior.” Emperor Septimius Severus, who was born in North Africa, was one of two Roman Emperors who visited Eboracum, and died there.

The paper is published in this month’s edition of the journal Antiquity. The skeleton and artifacts will be displayed in August as part of the Yorkshire Museum’s exhibition: Roman York — Meet the People of the Empire. Roman era York may have been more diverse than today

More information: A Lady of York: migration, ethnicity and identity in Roman Britain, Antiquity, Volume: 84 Number: 323 Page: 131-145. http://antiquity.ac.uk/ant/084/ant0840131.htm

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#102689 From: roy freedle <freedle1@...>
Date: Tue Mar 2, 2010 1:29 pm
Subject: nytimes: Human Culture, an Evolutionary Force
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Human Culture, an Evolutionary Force
 
Published: nytimes, March 1, 2010
 
As with any other species, human populations are shaped by the usual forces of natural selection, like famine, disease or climate. A new force is now coming into focus. It is one with a surprising implication — that for the last 20,000 years or so, people have inadvertently been shaping their own evolution.
 
The force is human culture, broadly defined as any learned behavior, including technology. The evidence of its activity is the more surprising because culture has long seemed to play just the opposite role. Biologists have seen it as a shield that protects people from the full force of other selective pressures, since clothes and shelter dull the bite of cold and farming helps build surpluses to ride out famine.
 
Because of this buffering action, culture was thought to have blunted the rate of human evolution, or even brought it to a halt, in the distant past. Many biologists are now seeing the role of culture in a quite different light.
 
Although it does shield people from other forces, culture itself seems to be a powerful force of natural selection. People adapt genetically to sustained cultural changes, like new diets. And this interaction works more quickly than other selective forces, “leading some practitioners to argue that gene-culture co-evolution could be the dominant mode of human evolution,†Kevin N. Laland and colleagues wrote in the February issue of Nature Reviews Genetics. Dr. Laland is an evolutionary biologist at the University of St. Andrews in Scotland.
 
The idea that genes and culture co-evolve has been around for several decades but has started to win converts only recently. Two leading proponents, Robert Boyd of the University of California, Los Angeles, and Peter J. Richerson of the University of California, Davis, have argued for years that genes and culture were intertwined in shaping human evolution. “It wasn’t like we were despised, just kind of ignored,†Dr. Boyd said. But in the last few years, references by other scientists to their writings have “gone up hugely,†he said.
 
The best evidence available to Dr. Boyd and Dr. Richerson for culture being a selective force was the lactose tolerance found in many northern Europeans. Most people switch off the gene that digests the lactose in milk shortly after they are weaned, but in northern Europeans — the descendants of an ancient cattle-rearing culture that emerged in the region some 6,000 years ago — the gene is kept switched on in adulthood.
 
Lactose tolerance is now well recognized as a case in which a cultural practice — drinking raw milk — has caused an evolutionary change in the human genome. Presumably the extra nutrition was of such great advantage that adults able to digest milk left more surviving offspring, and the genetic change swept through the population.
 
This instance of gene-culture interaction turns out to be far from unique. In the last few years, biologists have been able to scan the whole human genome for the signatures of genes undergoing selection. Such a signature is formed when one version of a gene becomes more common than other versions because its owners are leaving more surviving offspring. From the evidence of the scans, up to 10 percent of the genome — some 2,000 genes — shows signs of being under selective pressure.
 
These pressures are all recent, in evolutionary terms — most probably dating from around 10,000 to 20,000 years ago, in the view of Mark Stoneking, a geneticist at the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany. Biologists can infer the reason for these selective forces from the kinds of genes that are tagged by the genome scans. The roles of most of the 20,000 or so genes in the human genome are still poorly understood, but all can be assigned to broad categories of likely function depending on the physical structure of the protein they specify.
 
By this criterion, many of the genes under selection seem to be responding to conventional pressures. Some are involved in the immune system, and presumably became more common because of the protection they provided against disease. Genes that cause paler skin in Europeans or Asians are probably a response to geography and climate.
 
But other genes seem to have been favored because of cultural changes. These include many genes involved in diet and metabolism and presumably reflect the major shift in diet that occurred in the transition from foraging to agriculture that started about 10,000 years ago.
 
Amylase is an enzyme in the saliva that breaks down starch. People who live in agrarian societies eat more starch and have extra copies of the amylase gene compared with people who live in societies that depend on hunting or fishing. Genetic changes that enable lactose tolerance have been detected not just in Europeans but also in three African pastoral societies. In each of the four cases, a different mutation is involved, but all have the same result — that of preventing the lactose-digesting gene from being switched off after weaning.
 
Many genes for taste and smell show signs of selective pressure, perhaps reflecting the change in foodstuffs as people moved from nomadic to sedentary existence. Another group under pressure is that of genes that affect the growth of bone. These could reflect the declining weight of the human skeleton that seems to have accompanied the switch to settled life, which started some 15,000 years ago.
 
A third group of selected genes affects brain function. The role of these genes is unknown, but they could have changed in response to the social transition as people moved from small hunter-gatherer groups a hundred strong to villages and towns inhabited by several thousand, Dr. Laland said. “It’s highly plausible that some of these changes are a response to aggregation, to living in larger communities,†he said.
 
Though the genome scans certainly suggest that many human genes have been shaped by cultural forces, the tests for selection are purely statistical, being based on measures of whether a gene has become more common. To verify that a gene has indeed been under selection, biologists need to perform other tests, like comparing the selected and unselected forms of the gene to see how they differ.
 
Dr. Stoneking and his colleagues have done this with three genes that score high in statistical tests of selection. One of the genes they looked at, called the EDAR gene, is known to be involved in controlling the growth of hair. A variant form of the EDAR gene is very common in East Asians and Native Americans, and is probably the reason that these populations have thicker hair than Europeans or Africans.
 
Still, it is not obvious why this variant of the EDAR gene was favored. Possibly thicker hair was in itself an advantage, retaining heat in Siberian climates. Or the trait could have become common through sexual selection, because people found it attractive in their partners.
 
A third possibility comes from the fact that the gene works by activating a gene regulator that controls the immune system as well as hair growth. So the gene could have been favored because it conferred protection against some disease, with thicker hair being swept along as a side effect. Or all three factors could have been at work. “It’s one of the cases we know most about, and yet there’s a lot we don’t know,†Dr. Stoneking said.
The case of the EDAR gene shows how cautious biologists have to be in interpreting the signals of selection seen in the genome scans. But it also points to the potential of the selective signals for bringing to light salient events in human prehistory as modern humans dispersed from the ancestral homeland in northeast Africa and adapted to novel environments. “That’s the ultimate goal,†Dr. Stoneking said. “I come from the anthropological perspective, and we want to know what the story is.â€
 
With archaic humans, culture changed very slowly. The style of stone tools called the Oldowan appeared 2.5 million years ago and stayed unchanged for more than a million years. The Acheulean stone tool kit that succeeded it lasted for 1.5 million years. But among behaviorally modern humans, those of the last 50,000 years, the tempo of cultural change has been far brisker. This raises the possibility that human evolution has been accelerating in the recent past under the impact of rapid shifts in culture.
 
Some biologists think this is a possibility, though one that awaits proof. The genome scans that test for selection have severe limitations. They cannot see the signatures of ancient selection, which get washed out by new mutations, so there is no base line by which to judge whether recent natural selection has been greater than in earlier times. There are also likely to be many false positives among the genes that seem favored.
But the scans also find it hard to detect weakly selected genes, so they may be picking up just a small fraction of the recent stresses on the genome. Mathematical models of gene-culture interaction suggest that this form of natural selection can be particularly rapid. Culture has become a force of natural selection, and if it should prove to be a major one, then human evolution may be accelerating as people adapt to pressures of their own creation.
 

#102690 From: "R A Fonda" <rafonda@...>
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> humans were causing SOME global effect on climate warming it would be essential to do something about it. <
 
I have no doubt that release of fossil carbon MUST have some effect at the margin, but it does NOT follow that it is "essential to do something about it".
 
Still, suppose I stipulate that SOMEthing should be done: WHAT would that be? I mentioned reforestation and seeding the Pacific with iron; I might have added job-creating programs making and installing solar electric arrays and other green energy and conservation programs. But what are we actually offered? A vast tax on MY kindred and a transfer of the loot to sustain overpopulating demes ... fuggheduhboudit!
 
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#102691 From: "Steve Moxon" <stevemoxon3@...>
Date: Tue Mar 2, 2010 4:12 pm
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This is nonsense, as I've explained.
In particular, Kevin Laland's claim that: "It’s highly plausible that some of these changes are a response to aggregation, to living in larger communities".
It's a general principle in biology/genetics that recent, rapid changes in genes are always most likely to stem from sexual selection, and for genes expressed in the brain the obvious source is integration of cognition in the service of verbal and artistic prowess for courtship purposes. Geoffrey Miller's 'mating intelligence' theory is along these lines, and it fts with the general 'genetic filter' function of the male as I've outlined after Wirt Atmar [See my long paper re a new theory of dominance.].
Kevin Laland cannot come up with a single cogent suggestion as to what could have changed in neural structure, and neither can anyone else who puts forward 'niche-construction' notions.
Yet again here we get only the usual bore about lactose tolerance, leading a small field of other just as boring minor adaptations to do with diet and immunity.
 
Steve Moxon [author of the book, The Woman Racket: The new science explaining how the sexes  relate at work, at play and in society, 2008 Imprint Academic; and 'Dominance as adaptive stressing and ranking of males, serving to allocate reproduction by self-suppressed fertility: Towards a fully biological understanding of social system', 2009 Medical Hypotheses].
 
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Human Culture, an Evolutionary Force
 
Published: nytimes, March 1, 2010
 
As with any other species, human populations are shaped by the usual forces of natural selection, like famine, disease or climate. A new force is now coming into focus. It is one with a surprising implication — that for the last 20,000 years or so, people have inadvertently been shaping their own evolution.
 
The force is human culture, broadly defined as any learned behavior, including technology. The evidence of its activity is the more surprising because culture has long seemed to play just the opposite role. Biologists have seen it as a shield that protects people from the full force of other selective pressures, since clothes and shelter dull the bite of cold and farming helps build surpluses to ride out famine.
 
Because of this buffering action, culture was thought to have blunted the rate of human evolution, or even brought it to a halt, in the distant past. Many biologists are now seeing the role of culture in a quite different light.
 
Although it does shield people from other forces, culture itself seems to be a powerful force of natural selection. People adapt genetically to sustained cultural changes, like new diets. And this interaction works more quickly than other selective forces, “leading some practitioners to argue that gene-culture co-evolution could be the dominant mode of human evolution,†Kevin N. Laland and colleagues wrote in the February issue of Nature Reviews Genetics. Dr. Laland is an evolutionary biologist at the University of St. Andrews in Scotland.
 
The idea that genes and culture co-evolve has been around for several decades but has started to win converts only recently. Two leading proponents, Robert Boyd of the University of California, Los Angeles, and Peter J. Richerson of the University of California, Davis, have argued for years that genes and culture were intertwined in shaping human evolution. “It wasn’t like we were despised, just kind of ignored,†Dr. Boyd said. But in the last few years, references by other scientists to their writings have “gone up hugely,†he said.
 
The best evidence available to Dr. Boyd and Dr. Richerson for culture being a selective force was the lactose tolerance found in many northern Europeans. Most people switch off the gene that digests the lactose in milk shortly after they are weaned, but in northern Europeans — the descendants of an ancient cattle-rearing culture that emerged in the region some 6,000 years ago — the gene is kept switched on in adulthood.
 
Lactose tolerance is now well recognized as a case in which a cultural practice — drinking raw milk — has caused an evolutionary change in the human genome. Presumably the extra nutrition was of such great advantage that adults able to digest milk left more surviving offspring, and the genetic change swept through the population.
 
This instance of gene-culture interaction turns out to be far from unique. In the last few years, biologists have been able to scan the whole human genome for the signatures of genes undergoing selection. Such a signature is formed when one version of a gene becomes more common than other versions because its owners are leaving more surviving offspring. From the evidence of the scans, up to 10 percent of the genome — some 2,000 genes — shows signs of being under selective pressure.
 
These pressures are all recent, in evolutionary terms — most probably dating from around 10,000 to 20,000 years ago, in the view of Mark Stoneking, a geneticist at the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany. Biologists can infer the reason for these selective forces from the kinds of genes that are tagged by the genome scans. The roles of most of the 20,000 or so genes in the human genome are still poorly understood, but all can be assigned to broad categories of likely function depending on the physical structure of the protein they specify.
 
By this criterion, many of the genes under selection seem to be responding to conventional pressures. Some are involved in the immune system, and presumably became more common because of the protection they provided against disease. Genes that cause paler skin in Europeans or Asians are probably a response to geography and climate.
 
But other genes seem to have been favored because of cultural changes. These include many genes involved in diet and metabolism and presumably reflect the major shift in diet that occurred in the transition from foraging to agriculture that started about 10,000 years ago.
 
Amylase is an enzyme in the saliva that breaks down starch. People who live in agrarian societies eat more starch and have extra copies of the amylase gene compared with people who live in societies that depend on hunting or fishing. Genetic changes that enable lactose tolerance have been detected not just in Europeans but also in three African pastoral societies. In each of the four cases, a different mutation is involved, but all have the same result — that of preventing the lactose-digesting gene from being switched off after weaning.
 
Many genes for taste and smell show signs of selective pressure, perhaps reflecting the change in foodstuffs as people moved from nomadic to sedentary existence. Another group under pressure is that of genes that affect the growth of bone. These could reflect the declining weight of the human skeleton that seems to have accompanied the switch to settled life, which started some 15,000 years ago.
 
A third group of selected genes affects brain function. The role of these genes is unknown, but they could have changed in response to the social transition as people moved from small hunter-gatherer groups a hundred strong to villages and towns inhabited by several thousand, Dr. Laland said. “It’s highly plausible that some of these changes are a response to aggregation, to living in larger communities,†he said.
 
Though the genome scans certainly suggest that many human genes have been shaped by cultural forces, the tests for selection are purely statistical, being based on measures of whether a gene has become more common. To verify that a gene has indeed been under selection, biologists need to perform other tests, like comparing the selected and unselected forms of the gene to see how they differ.
 

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#102693 From: dennismrobles@...
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Study proves conclusively that violent video game play makes more aggressive
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Iowa State University Distinguished Professor of Psychology Craig Anderson has
made much of his life's work studying how violent video game play affects youth
behavior. And he says a new study he led, analyzing 130 research reports on more
than 130,000 subjects worldwide, proves conclusively that exposure to violent
video games makes more aggressive, less caring kids -- regardless of their age,
sex or culture.

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#102694 From: "Helga V" <helgav@...>
Date: Tue Mar 2, 2010 9:26 pm
Subject: Re: [evol-psych] Climategate World is Not Warming
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I am grateful for this well thought out comment, RAF. I do not personally find
the "climate-gate" material as damning as you apparently do.  I think many of
the more suspicious statements were taken out of proper context.  Anyway, there
is enough evidence that there IS some kind of climatic change going on, and
there is more than adequate evidence for a sixth mass extinction, environmental
degradation, human over-population, pollution, and looming resource shortages
(oil, coal, gas, timber, topsoil, marine animals, uranium, fresh water, etc)
that i think we need to seriously rethink our priorities in "economic planning"
and "policy" -- and if the people who are taking the lead in current economic
planning and government policy are not able to accept these kinds of evidence
into their own calculations even over the short term, something is very wrong.

It is a sad day when action to assure the long-term survival of humanity and
it's natural life-support (earth's ecosystem) must await the short term
maximization of corporate profits.

Or am I missing something?  regards, Helga

--- In evolutionary-psychology@yahoogroups.com, "R A Fonda" <rafonda@...> wrote:
>
> Helga, you state that you are losing patience with people who are not
climatologists expressing opinions on anthropogenic climate change.
>
> I am trying to focus on the POLITICAL, social, and economic issues that arise
from the proposals that are SUPPOSEDLY based on the scientific data. I doubt you
would insist that only climatologists can have a voice in the decision as to
whether we should have 'cap and trade' legislation.
>
> In fact, I AGREE that liberating fossil carbon is likely to have very
significant effects on climate IN THE LONG RUN, and 'all else being equal'. One
point I make is that in-the-long-run OTHER crises will reduce our overpopulation
anyway, certainly ameliorating carbon problems. Another point I make is that
'all things' are NOT 'the same'. There appears, for instance, to be reduced
total solar irradiance at present, suggesting a "solar minimum" which might be
as long and severe as the Maunder Minimum, but even if it is only as short as
the Dalton Minimum, it gives us at least another decade during which we can take
careful consideration of alternatives. Finally, I completely reject the
suggested POLITICAL 'solutions' such as cap and trade and western asset
redistribution.
>
> I would certainly support sensible programs such as reforestation and seeding
the central Pacific with nano-particles of iron to induce bio-fixation and
subsequent sequestrtion of carbon, among many other ways of actually doing
something useful.
>
> Climatologists are NOT the only people fit to make decisions on
socio-POLITICAL and economic proposals. Sadly, they have even failed to inspire
confidence in their scientific integrity, so ordinary people are left to wonder
if we can trust the data they present.
>
> RAF
>

#102695 From: "Helga V" <helgav@...>
Date: Tue Mar 2, 2010 9:12 pm
Subject: Re: [evol-psych] Digest Number 7071
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Might the sperm whale have less dense neural tissue?  In any event, good point,
Edgar, for clarifying that it is clear that size is not all that matters.  There
is also the issue to interconnections between neurones as well as the quality
and quantity of transmitter hormones... and possibly of the kind of things that
generate activity in the brain.  God knows, we have enough evidence that this is
an issue between human beings; why can't it also create some "intelligence"
gaps, not due to sheer brain bulk, between different SPECIES???   regards, Helga

--- In evolutionary-psychology@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...>
wrote:
>
> Robert and Richard,
>
> Let's do the math assuming the data below is accurate as given. Dolphin
neo-cortex unfolded = 5x internal size. Human unfolded = 2x. Density of nerve
cells in dolphin 25% of human. Dolphin avg. brain weight 1600 gm. Human avg
brain weight 1350 gm.
>
> Relative number of nerve cells in neuro-cortex:
> Dolphin: .25 x (1600 x 5) = 2000
> Human: 1 x (1350 x 2 ) = 2700
> Sperm Whale: .25 x (7800 x 5) = 9750
> Chimp: 1 x (400 x ?(assume = ~1)) = 400?
>
> So just on the data you two provide the human brain neo-cortical neuralization
is 135% that of a dolphin but only 28% that of a sperm whale though I'm sure
that this data is not the whole story.....
>
> Edgar
>
>
> On Mar 1, 2010, at 9:11 AM, Robert Karl Stonjek wrote:
>
> >  Richard C. Connor
> > The dolphin melon is a specialized acoustic fat tissue and is not part of
the dolphin brain or even in the skull.
> >
> > Many readers of this list may be familiar with the unsupported claims in the
1960s and 1970s by John Lilly of a special dolphin intelligence, but there has
been an even longer, and in some ways stranger, history of neuroanatomists
making claims that dolphins brains are somehow more 'primitive' or less
'sophisticated' than those of other mammals.
> >
> > For readers of this list who are interested in what we do know about dolphin
brains, cognitive abilities, and why they may have converged with few other
groups in evolving such large brains, I recommend the following papers.
> >
> > Marino, L, Butti, C., R.C. Connor, R. E. Fordyce, L. M. Herman, P. R.
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#102696 From: "Helga V" <helgav@...>
Date: Tue Mar 2, 2010 9:11 pm
Subject: Re: [evol-psych] Digest Number 7071
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Might the sperm whale have less dense neural tissue?  In any event, good point,
Edgar, for clarifying that it is clear that size is not all that matters.  There
is also the issue to interconnections between neurones as well as the quality
and quantity of transmitter hormones... and possibly of the kind of things that
generate activity in the brain.  God knows, we have enough evidence that this is
an issue between human beings; why can't it also create some "intelligence"
gaps, not due to sheer brain bulk, between different SPECIES???

--- In evolutionary-psychology@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...>
wrote:
>
> Robert and Richard,
>
> Let's do the math assuming the data below is accurate as given. Dolphin
neo-cortex unfolded = 5x internal size. Human unfolded = 2x. Density of nerve
cells in dolphin 25% of human. Dolphin avg. brain weight 1600 gm. Human avg
brain weight 1350 gm.
>
> Relative number of nerve cells in neuro-cortex:
> Dolphin: .25 x (1600 x 5) = 2000
> Human: 1 x (1350 x 2 ) = 2700
> Sperm Whale: .25 x (7800 x 5) = 9750
> Chimp: 1 x (400 x ?(assume = ~1)) = 400?
>
> So just on the data you two provide the human brain neo-cortical neuralization
is 135% that of a dolphin but only 28% that of a sperm whale though I'm sure
that this data is not the whole story.....
>
> Edgar
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 1, 2010, at 9:11 AM, Robert Karl Stonjek wrote:
>
> >  Richard C. Connor
> > The dolphin melon is a specialized acoustic fat tissue and is not part of
the dolphin brain or even in the skull.
> >
> > Many readers of this list may be familiar with the unsupported claims in the
1960s and 1970s by John Lilly of a special dolphin intelligence, but there has
been an even longer, and in some ways stranger, history of neuroanatomists
making claims that dolphins brains are somehow more 'primitive' or less
'sophisticated' than those of other mammals.
> >
> > For readers of this list who are interested in what we do know about dolphin
brains, cognitive abilities, and why they may have converged with few other
groups in evolving such large brains, I recommend the following papers.
> >
> > Marino, L, Butti, C., R.C. Connor, R. E. Fordyce, L. M. Herman, P. R.
> > Hof, L. Lefebvre, D. Lusseau, B. McCowan, E. A. Nimchinsky, A. A.
> > A. A. Pack, L. Rendell., J. S. Reidenberg., D. Reiss., M. D. Uhen. , E. Van
> > der Gucht, H. Whitehead. 2008. A
> >  claim in search of evidence: Reply to
> >
> > Manger?s thermogenesis hypothesis of cetacean brain structure. Biological
Reviews, 83: 417-440..
> >
> >
> > Connor, R.C. 2007. Complex alliance relationships in bottlenose dolphins
> >
> > and a consideration of selective environments for extreme brain size
evolution in mammals.
> >
> >  Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society: Biological Sciences 362:
587-602.
> >
> >
> >
> > Marino, L, R.C. Connor, R. E. Fordyce, L. M. Herman, P. R. Hof, L. Lefebvre,
D.
> >  Lusseau, B. McCowan, E. A. Nimchinsky, A. A. A. A. Pack, L. Rendell., J. S.
Reidenberg., D. Reiss., M. D. Uhen. ,
> >  E. Van der Gucht,H. Whitehead. 2007. Cetaceans have complex brains for
complex cognition.
> > PLOS 5: 966:972.
> >
> > Richard Connor
> > RKS:
> > Thanks for putting us straight on the melon, John, it was actually the
auditory cortex I had in mind which, apparently, is 250 times as big in the
dolphin as the human.  The book I had recently read, that I was thinking of (and
not recalling particularly well), is 'Do Animals Think?' by Clive D.L.Wynne.  In
the chapter on Dolphins, after having some fun with Lilly, he goes on to say:
> >
> > "Brains are not supernatural objects but are subject to the laws of physics
like any other physical entities. As land mammals we have to carry our brains
about with us all day, every day (if that seems like a funny way of putting it,
remember that human infants are unable to hold up the weight of their own heads
for the first two or three months of life). If we could fly, the problem of
brain weight would be even more acute. But sea mammals do not have to worry
about weight. Consequently, without the check of gravity, it seems that
evolution has allowed the weight and volume of dolphin brains to blow out. That
is not to say that the dolphin brain is not still large on anyone's terms. Just
that there is nothing mysterious about the size of a  dolphin's brain.
> >
> > A brain is not just subject to the laws of physics but to the laws of
biology too. Breathing in the dolphin is known to be under the control of the
cortex, rather than the deeper brain centers used in other mammals. The
dolphin's sonar system must be controlled from somewhere, and the cortex is a
likely candidate for that function too. One of the brain centers that controls
hearing is over 250 times larger in the dolphin brain than the equivalent
structure in the human brain. Thus, the brain of the dolphin must be understood
as a component of the body it inhabits and the things that body can do.
> >
> > "But not all parts of our brain are equally impressive. In human evolution
it is the neocortex, the folds of tissue on top of the basic brain, that have
taken on truly exceptional dimensions. In most mammals the neocortex takes up
between 10 and 30 percent of the total, reaching values above 50 percent only
for primates, but the human neocortex takes up a magnificent 80 percent of total
brain volume. Our neocortex is so large it has to be folded to fit inside the
skull. If you removed your brain from your skull (don't try this at home), you
would find that, unfolded, your neocortex occupies more than twice the area on
the kitchen table as it does inside your head. But on this measure of human
distinction, dolphins, it is often pointed out, outstrip us. The unfolded
neocortex of a dolphin takes up five times as much space as it does packed into
the dolphin skull. Though this fact appears in most popular texts on dolphins,
one rather important detail is always missing. Though all land mammals have
approximately the same density of nerve cells in their neocortexes, sea mammals
do not. Mammals in the ocean have only about one-quarter the number of nerve
cells per square inch of cortex as do land mammals. Thus, in terms of numbers of
nerve cells, the functioning units, the dolphin neocortex is not so large after
all."
> >
> > The other book I had in mind was/is 'Principles of Brain Evolution' by Georg
F Striedter P.356~7 with regard to sea mammals in general:-
> >
> > "Now, if different lineages tend to evolve along divergent tracks, then it
makes little sense to compare the brains of distant relatives in terms of
absolute brain size. For example, it is not very informative to know that the
brains of some large cetaceans (whales) weigh roughly 5 times as much as human
brains (Figure 10.6), because cetacean brains also differ from all primate
brains in a multitude of other attributes (Kruger, 1959; Morgane and Jacobs,
1972; Ridgway, 1986; Peichl et al., 2001). Most notably, the neocortex of all
cetaceans is much thinner and less highly laminated than the neocortex of
primates (see Figure 10.6 C,D). We do not yet know precisely how and why
cetaceans evolved this unusually thin neocortex, but we can be fairly certain
that this change was not a simple "automatic" consequence of a change in
absolute brain size. Therefore, comparing human and whale brains in terms of
absolute brain size is like comparing apples and grapefruits; the two differ in
size-independent ways! This is not particularly surprising once you consider
that primates and cetaceans are extremely distant relatives, with whales being
closely related to hippopotami and other artiodactyls (Thewissen et al., 2001)
(see Figure 2.11)."
> >
> >
> > <Principles of Brain ~ Whale 3.jpg>
> >
> > Figure 10.6 Comparison of Human and Whale Brains The brain of (A) a human is
considerably smaller than the brain of (B) a killer whale and exhibits fewer
neocortical gyri. On the other hand, the neocortex is considerably thinner and
less highly laminated in (C) a pygmy sperm whale (or most other cetaceans) than
in (D) humans. This difference in neocortical thickness is but one of many
features that distinguish human or other primate brains from those of cetaceans.
It also explains why cetaceans have thinner and more numerous neocortical gyri:
The thinner a sheet is, the more tightly it can be folded. (A and B from
Ridgway, 1986; C and D from Preuss, 2001.)
> >
> > Kind Regards
> > Robert Karl Stonjek
> >
> >
> >
>

#102697 From: Jean-François Turmel <jfturmel22@...>
Date: Tue Mar 2, 2010 10:22 pm
Subject: Re: Monogamy Seen in Amphibians for First Time
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I proposed that males and females of a population can evolve to couple to reproduce monogamously when the genetic diversity of the males and females of the population is low, in such circumstances, if a male is coupling to reproduce with several females, it can lead to a lowering of the genetic diversity of the males and females of the population that can lead to extinction of the individuals of the population, by coupling monogamously, in such circumstances, one male reproducing with one female can lead to the maintenance of a certain genetic diversity enabling the avoidance of extinction by decreasing genetic diversity. It might explain the existence of this species of frogs with males and females reproducing monogamously, they might have ancestors from a population with a low genetic diversity.
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#102698 From: Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...>
Date: Tue Mar 2, 2010 11:20 pm
Subject: Re: [evol-psych] News: Pieces of rare biblical manuscript reunited
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Jean-Francois,

They already found better. His bones in his family tomb in an ossuary with his name on it proving conclusively that he was a human being and wasn't resurrected into heaven.

Edgar



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I hope they will find a part of the bible admitting that this jesus was an imposture not really the son of god but the son of a male and a female, like any other individual and that his supposed miracles were setups realized with at least twelve accomplices to deceive other individuals and lead them to get their money, serving them also a religious discourse, presenting also that, having success in gaining their money, that the jews, who were losing their money that was given to this jesus, plotted to kill him, to remain the richest religious authorities of their population.
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#102699 From: "Robert Karl Stonjek" <stonjek@...>
Date: Tue Mar 2, 2010 11:15 pm
Subject: News: Etched ostrich eggs illustrate human sophistication
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Etched ostrich eggs illustrate human sophistication

By Jonathan Amos
Science correspondent, BBC News

Ostrich egg fragments (P-J.Texier) 
Inscribed ostrich shell fragments found in South Africa are among the earliest examples of the use of symbolism by modern humans, scientists say.

The etched shells from Diepkloof Rock Shelter in Western Cape have been dated to about 60,000 years ago.

Details are reported in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

The researchers, who have investigated the material since 1999, argue that the markings are almost certainly a form of messaging - of graphic communication.

"The motif is two parallel lines, which we suppose were circular, but we do not have a complete refit of the eggs," explained Dr Pierre-Jean Texier from the University of Bordeaux, Talence, France.

Blombos (BBC)

"The lines are crossed at right angles or oblique angles by hatching. By the repetition of this motif, early humans were trying to communicate something. Perhaps they were trying to express the identity of the individual or the group," he told BBC News.

Symbolic thought - the ability to let one thing represent another - was a giant leap in human evolution, and sets our species apart from the rest of the animal world.

Understanding when and where this behaviour first emerged is a key quest for scientists studying human origins.

Arguably the earliest examples of conceptual thought are the pieces of shell jewellery discovered at Skhul Cave in Israel and from Oued Djebbana in Algeria. These artefacts are 90,000-100,000 years old.

Shell beading from 75,000 years ago is also found at Blombos Cave in South Africa, as well as a number of ochre blocks that have engravings not dissimilar to those at Diepkloof.

Etched ochre blocks from Blombos (UNSYB)
Etched ochre blocks from Blombos

However, the significance of the Diepkloof finds may lie in their number, which proves such markings could not have been simple doodlings.

"What is extraordinary at Diepkloof is that we have close to 300 pieces of such engravings, which is why we are speaking of a system of symbolic representation," Dr Texier said.

The team, which includes Dr Guillaume Porraz from the University of Tubingen, tried themselves to recreate the markings using pieces of flint.

"Ostrich egg shells are quite hard. Doing such engravings is not so easy. You have to pass through the outer layer to get through to the middle layer," Dr Texier explained.

The team's experiments also suggest that the colouration of the fragments is natural and not the result of the application of pigments.

The group was able to reproduce similar hues by baking pieces of shell near a fire.

Shell beadsMarian Vanhaeren/Francesco d'Errico
Early humans pierced and strung shells together as jewellery

Professor Chris Stringer, of London's Natural History Museum, said the find was important.

"Here we've got something that we can compare with later material that clearly does have important signalling value in the populations," he told BBC News.

"It's a very nice link between the Middle Stone Age, the later Stone Age and even recent populations in South Africa. One question now is whether this is a special site, or as we excavate more sites will we find this material is more widespread?"

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#102700 From: "Robert Karl Stonjek" <stonjek@...>
Date: Tue Mar 2, 2010 11:27 pm
Subject: News: Why the body isn't thirsty at night
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Published online 28 February 2010 | Nature | doi:10.1038/news.2010.95

Why the body isn't thirsty at night

Body clock is a hormonal dimmer switch that controls water loss.

Girl asleep
Brain cells collude to keep animals hydrated while they sleep.V. Balantsev/iStockphoto

The body's internal clock helps to regulate a water-storing hormone so that nightly dehydration or trips to the toilet are not the norm, research suggests.

In an article published in Nature Neuroscience today, neurophysiologists Eric Trudel and Charles Bourque at the Research Institute of the McGill University Health Centre in Montreal, Canada, propose a mechanism by which the body's circadian system, or internal clock, controls water regulation1. By allowing cells that sense water levels to activate cells that release vasopressin, a hormone that instructs the body to store water, the circadian system keeps the body hydrated during sleep.

"We've known for years that there's a rhythm of vasopressin that gets high when you're sleeping. But no one knew how that occurred. And this group identified a very concrete physiological mechanism of how it occurs," says Christopher Colwell, a neuroscientist who studies sleep and circadian rhythms at the David Geffen School of Medicine at the University of California, Los Angeles.

The body regulates its water content mainly by balancing water intake through thirst with water loss through urine production. People don't drink during sleep, so the body has to minimize water loss to remain sufficiently hydrated. Scientists knew that low water levels excite a group of cells called osmosensory neurons, which direct another set of neurons to release vasopressin into the bloodstream. Vasopressin levels increase during sleep; clock neurons, meanwhile, get quieter.

Thirst alert

Trudel and Bourque tested the idea that lower clock-neuron activity might allow osmosensory neurons to more easily activate vasopressin-releasing neurons, which would mean more water retention and less urine production during sleep.

To do this, they isolated thin slices of rat brain containing intact sensory, vasopressin-releasing and clock neurons. Even when removed from the brain, clock neurons continue to mark time.

The duo then stimulated the sensory neurons and recorded any electrical activity in the vasopressin-releasing neurons to monitor communication between the two cell groups. The researchers then moved on to look at the effect of the clock cells on this pathway. When they did not activate the clock cells during the 'sleep' part of their cycle, it was easier for the sensory cells to communicate with vasopressin-releasing cells. Conversely, when they activated the clock cells, this communication decreased markedly.

The results suggest that clock cells function as a dimmer switch for water control. When their activity is high, they prevent sensory cells from instructing secretory cells to release vasopressin. Then, when clock cells are less active, sensory cells can easily instruct secretory cells to release vasopressin, ensuring that the body holds on to its water reserves.

Colwell points out that the study was done in rats, which are nocturnal. Although the vasopressin cycle and clock-neuron activity are similar in rats and humans, the question of whether the same mechanism occurs in animals that sleep at night remains to be answered.

"We show this for this one circuit, but it's possible that clock neurons regulate other circuits in a similar manner and this remains to be studied," says Bourque. He speculates that future studies might reveal whether the same mechanism regulates hunger, sleepiness and other aspects of physiology related to circadian rhythms. 

  • References

    1. Trudel, E. & Bourque, C. W. Nature Neurosci. doi:10.1038/nn.2503 (2010).
 
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#102701 From: james kohl <jvkohl@...>
Date: Wed Mar 3, 2010 12:42 am
Subject: Re: [evol-psych] nytimes: Human Culture, an Evolutionary Force
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Steve challenges someone to provide a single cogent suggestion as to what could have changed in neural structure. The most obvious answer is the change in neural structure(s) associated with olfactory/pheromonal processing as evidenced recently in:

Genetic variation in a human odorant receptor alters odour perception.

Keller A, Zhuang H, Chi Q, Vosshall LB, Matsunami H.

Nature. 2007 Sep 27;449(7161):468-72.

If the change in the genetically coded receptor (genotype) alters odour perception, it must effect the neural structures involved in phenotypical olfactory/pheromonal processing. These neural structures include noradrenergic, dopaminergic, serotoninergic, and opiotergic pathways, as well as inhibitory neurotransmitters like gamma­aminobutyric acid and excitatory amino acids like glutamic and aspartic acids and other brain peptides including pineal secretions like melatonin and corticotrophin ­releasing hormone and the complex interactions among them. All of these are subtle but functional species-­specific influences on the electrochemical transmission of neuronal signals that the hypothalamus translates to the chemical signal gonadotropin releasing hormone (GnRH), which directs the concurrent maturation of the mammalian neuroendocrine system, the reproductive system, and the central nervous system.

The mammalian GnRH neuronal system
exhibits changes in neural structures that enable a response to species-specific chemical cues associated with self / non-self (i.e., immune system) recognition, and also associated with sex differences in social odors. The species-specific changes in receptors enable sexual selection for genetic diversity.

Laland doesn't seem too far off to me, except that chemically associated food choice (diet), self / non-self (immune system) differences, and mate choice all seem equally involved in human culture. Perhaps Laland should focus more on the inclusion of mate choice and examine an olfactory/pheromonal model of human culture as an evolutionary force.

If, for example, my dominant male scent signature chemically castrates a subordinate by dropping his GnRH neuronal system-altered testosterone level, I might better ensure my genetic material contributes more to the next generation of males who are less susceptible to the scent signature effects of other dominant males on their testosterone levels. wouldn't these boring minor adaptations be pertinent to your theory, Steve?

Jim Kohl



-- On Tue, 3/2/10, Steve Moxon <stevemoxon3@...> wrote:
From: Steve Moxon <stevemoxon3@...>
Subject: Re: [evol-psych] nytimes: Human Culture, an Evolutionary Force
To: evolutionary-psychology@yahoogroups.com
Cc: freedle1@...
Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 11:12 AM

....Kevin Laland cannot come up with a single cogent suggestion as to what could have changed in neural structure, and neither can anyone else who puts forward 'niche-construction ' notions.
Yet again here we get only the usual bore about lactose tolerance, leading a small field of other just as boring minor adaptations to do with diet and immunity.


#102702 From: "Steve Moxon" <stevemoxon3@...>
Date: Wed Mar 3, 2010 12:39 am
Subject: Re: [evol-psych] Climategate World is Not Warming
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Hi Helga
 
Are you entirely obtuse to reason?
Where is your response as I inviited?
Here's (below) my post again. If you have no response then say so.
You have no basis for your insistence on political action.
 
----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Re: [evol-psych] Climategate World is Not Warming

Helga
 
Your position is a profoundly non-reasoned and ignorant one.
 
Quite apart from climate-change models being hardly more consistent with the past 15 years of no further global-warming than with some contrary model, and also quite apart from the need to test climate-change models over a period of time; even if they are found to sucessfully predict future climate-change -- and that this is in the global-warming direction -- actually it's of no useful consequence.
There is no role for any of the political intervention any findings are held to show are required, given that the price-mechanism is already and more ably providing appropriate market incentives.
Indeed, the political issue is the strong resistence by consumers to the inexorable rise in fuel prices through the price-mechanism alone. It will become increasingly important to point to the operation of the price-mechanism as being the sole basis of relentless price rises, to head off public suspicion that it is partly or mainly down to a political ratcheting up of prices over and above this.
And this is even before there is any mass awareness of 'political correctness' fascism driving such as 'green' politics. When the public wakes up to what is going on politically, then given that space-heating likely will quite soon become unaffordable for even the majority, there will be an almighty problem for the government-media-education elite, which they will be unable to deal with.

If in the meantime, nonetheless usual political-Left ideology prevails, and measures are enacted to try to deal with CO2 production, then costs will be added to fossil-fuel usage in Western nations where it is actually most efficient, thereby financially incentivising the transfer of fossil-fuel usage to poorer nations where it is less efficient; the result being that total man-made CO2 production is likely actually to rise, so that the overall ceiling of total combustion-product at the end of the fossil-fuel era actually will be raised!
Compounding this counter-productive trend, the sums spent on measures such as CO2 capture cannot then be spent on technology substitution, which is what otherwise they would indeed be spent on.
The problem of global-warming is dwarfed by the problem of massive global over-population, which is what causes the rises in man-made CO2 production. Any massive reduction in global population will feedback to correspondingly reduce the rate of man-made CO2 production; and the impact of global-warming is itself one factor that can serve to reduce population.

Global-warming in the wider view as a supposed core problem intractable other than by unprecedented political intervention, is thus essentially a chimera; and is revealed to be a political exercise with meta aims achieved through the process of imposing greater political control. This is rooted in predominant contemporary political imperatives converning the bankruptcy of the political-Left philosophy of 'the progressive project', as I've previously outlined.
I find it quite amazing that well-educated inividuals such as contributors to this forum are unable to get their heads round what should be fairly straightforward or at laest not highly convoluted issues.

Steve Moxon [author of the book, The Woman Racket: The new science explaining how the sexes  relate at work, at play and in society, 2008 Imprint Academic; and 'Dominance as adaptive stressing and ranking of males, serving to allocate reproduction by self-suppressed fertility: Towards a fully biological understanding of social system', 2009 Medical Hypotheses.]
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Helga V
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: [evol-psych] Climategate World is Not Warming

 

I am grateful for this well thought out comment, RAF. I do not personally find the "climate-gate" material as damning as you apparently do. I think many of the more suspicious statements were taken out of proper context. Anyway, there is enough evidence that there IS some kind of climatic change going on, and there is more than adequate evidence for a sixth mass extinction, environmental degradation, human over-population, pollution, and looming resource shortages (oil, coal, gas, timber, topsoil, marine animals, uranium, fresh water, etc) that i think we need to seriously rethink our priorities in "economic planning" and "policy" -- and if the people who are taking the lead in current economic planning and government policy are not able to accept these kinds of evidence into their own calculations even over the short term, something is very wrong.

It is a sad day when action to assure the long-term survival of humanity and it's natural life-support (earth's ecosystem) must await the short term maximization of corporate profits.

Or am I missing something? regards, Helga

--- In evolutionary-psychology@yahoogroups.com, "R A Fonda" <rafonda@...> wrote:
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> Helga, you state that you are losing patience with people who are not climatologists expressing opinions on anthropogenic climate change.
>
> I am trying to focus on the POLITICAL, social, and economic issues that arise from the proposals that are SUPPOSEDLY based on the scientific data. I doubt you would insist that only climatologists can have a voice in the decision as to whether we should have 'cap and trade' legislation.
>
> In fact, I AGREE that liberating fossil carbon is likely to have very significant effects on climate IN THE LONG RUN, and 'all else being equal'. One point I make is that in-the-long-run OTHER crises will reduce our overpopulation anyway, certainly ameliorating carbon problems. Another point I make is that 'all things' are NOT 'the same'. There appears, for instance, to be reduced total solar irradiance at present, suggesting a "solar minimum" which might be as long and severe as the Maunder Minimum, but even if it is only as short as the Dalton Minimum, it gives us at least another decade during which we can take careful consideration of alternatives. Finally, I completely reject the suggested POLITICAL 'solutions' such as cap and trade and western asset redistribution.
>
> I would certainly support sensible programs such as reforestation and seeding the central Pacific with nano-particles of iron to induce bio-fixation and subsequent sequestrtion of carbon, among many other ways of actually doing something useful.
>
> Climatologists are NOT the only people fit to make decisions on socio-POLITICAL and economic proposals. Sadly, they have even failed to inspire confidence in their scientific integrity, so ordinary people are left to wonder if we can trust the data they present.
>
> RAF
>


#102703 From: Stephan Pickering <stefanpickering2002@...>
Date: Wed Mar 3, 2010 1:05 am
Subject: paleoclimatic implications of a Champsosaurus from the Paleocene of west Texas
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T.M. Lehman & Ken Barnes, 2010. Champsosaurus (Diapsida: Choristodera) from the Paleocene of west Texas: paleoclimatic implications. Jour. Paleontology 84(2):341-345. ABSTRACT. A specimen of the aquatic reptile Champsosaurus sp. from the Paleocene Black Peaks Formation in southwestern Texas is the southernmost yet known. The fragmentary specimen exhibits some unusual features, such as a great anterior extent of the quadratojugal on the lower temporal arch, and cannot be attributed with confidence to any of the named species. Champsosaurus appears to have been tolerant of temperate climates and had a northern latitudinal range exceeding that of crocodylians. It seems likely that the brief southward extension in range of Champsosaurus during early Paleocene time resulted from a decrease in mean annual temperature, comparable to over 10° of paleolatitude.
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#102704 From: Helga Vierich-Drever <helgav@...>
Date: Wed Mar 3, 2010 1:14 am
Subject: Re: [evol-psych] Climategate World is Not Warming
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Well, besides Hansen's book, which i recommend along with the various published
papers in his bibliography, i also recommend the following:
Arctic lake sediments show warming, unique ecological changes in recent decades
http://www.physorg.com/news175188684.html
Arctic gas leak time bomb discovered - Environment, News -
Belfasttelegraph.co.uk
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/environment/arctic-gas-leak-time-bomb-dis\
covered-13980581.html
Global Warming Effects on Trees 
http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/bmnfa/global.htm
http://www.wolfram.com/products/mathematica/newin7/content/CurrentAndHistoricalW\
eatherData/ModelClimateChange.html

But Steve, i have also looked at some of the more balanced sites, that show
conflicting evidence, such as
[physics/0403083] Man-made climate change:Facts and fiction
http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0403083
and tried to see if the science there really justified not taking steps to curb
CO2 emissions.  I have considered this in terms of pollution and its costs in
terms of human health and damage to ecosystems, as well, and also looked at the
implications of continuing our economic growth in the future decades (if this is
possible).

I have come to the conclusion that there is sufficient evidence that our human
population is in overshoot, and that we are seriously endangering our planetary
life support system, and that even if human-caused climate change is not as
imminent a problem as many of the climate scientists fear, it is STILL not in
the best interests of our species or our planet to continue to put the economic
activities of a fraction of humanity ahead of long term sustainability.  Sure,
we could support the burning of all fossil fuels to the last drop, puff and
crackle, BUT this is not going to alter the issue - that maybe we SHOULD not do
this. Not only will it come to an end eventually, but the longer we do this, the
harsher will be the cleanup in the end.  And the more desperate will be the
plight of future generations.

So, even though I suppose my own resistance to this makes hardly any difference
to the outcome, I DO resist it.  I do not want to be part of this system any
more, and am taking steps to disengage from the fossil fuel based economic
system as much as I can. I heat my home with wood and have a very high
efficiency, low pollution wood stove.  I have horses, land, a big garden, live
in the country, buy only organic foods when I buy food at all, raise most of my
own meat, drive as little as I can.  I am frugal and travel very little.  All of
this just makes me feel better but makes virtually no impact on the fate of
humanity or the planet, I know.

So, what else can I do?  So I bug people like you and others on this list. I
make myself obnoxious, I suppose. And this idea is not a very nice one. Nobody
wants to be hated or avoided by other people, particularly other people they
rather like... but what are the options?  Even if I felt that the science on
climate impacts from increasing carbon dioxide was not sound, it would not
negate all the other looming catastrophes our species is facing in the coming
decade.

And shutting up and just going with the flow is too boring --- look at how much
more fun we have here!

Seriously? My heart is still in the future.  There are little people in my life
who matter to me, and they deserve at least as beautiful a planet as I found
during my travels... and clean air and good food and a chance to live a healthy
long life.  I sometimes feel that if we all could be sure that we would not die,
we all might be a whole lot less worried about what other people thought of us
in any given span of time... but you know, we live on in our descendants (or, as
in my case, in our sibling's children and grandchildren) - we have come so far,
as a species, and struggled so hard to get here, do we really want to blow it
now just because we can't always agree on everything?

Please try to understand where i stand, and why I chose to take a stand here. 
regards, Helga




On Sunday, February 28, 2010, at 11:26AM, "Steve Moxon"
<stevemoxon3@...> wrote:
>Hi Helga
>
>If you reckon, notwithstanding what I wrote, that your position is not awry,
>then you'll be able to counter.
>
>Steve Moxon [author of the book, The Woman Racket: The new science
>explaining how the sexes  relate at work, at play and in society, 2008
>Imprint Academic; and 'Dominance as adaptive stressing and ranking of males,
>serving to allocate reproduction by self-suppressed fertility: Towards a
>fully biological understanding of social system', 2009 Medical Hypotheses].
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Helga Vierich-Drever" <helgav@...>
>To: "Steve Moxon" <stevemoxon3@...>
>Cc: <evolutionary-psychology@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 7:03 PM
>Subject: Re: [evol-psych] Climategate World is Not Warming
>
>
>> Steve, with all due respect. I doubt that my "position" is all that dumb.
>> Have you read Jim Hansen's book?
>> However, I suppose that we might just agree to disagree. I am sufficiently
>> aware of the problems of overpopulation - and i agree with you that it is
>> certainly an extremely serious issue, as is the fact that we are now on
>> the downslope of the fossil fuel mountain, as we are on the downslide in
>> supply of every other material resource on the planet. I found the
>> following a useful summary of the current state of play:
>>
http://www.youtube.com/user/ChrisMartensondotcom#p/c/7E8A774DA8435EEB/20/YDNvr82\
gqd0
>> regards, Helga
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, February 28, 2010, at 02:18AM, "Steve Moxon"
>> <stevemoxon3@...> wrote:
>>>
>
>
>

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