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Quote John Latter: One area I want to address in a future article is
how cultural conditioning also leads to evidence being disregarded (or
not being seen in its correct context).

This question gets into one of the more interesting aspects of human
decision making. If a group of professionals is given the opportunity
to choose among a set of options- this can include choosing between
competing theories, choosing between competing interpretations of
data, or selecting a stock to recommend, you find many instances where
the group fails or refuses to accept or even consider options that are
clearly and obviously (at least obvious to the professional) superior
to the options actually considered and selected. I call this `When
really smart people make really stupid decisions". This very
interesting phenomena, IMO, provides some really interesting insights
into the operation of goal directed intelligence in both humans and in
evolutionary processes.







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Quote John Latter: One area I want to address in a future article is how cultural conditioning also leads to evidence being disregarded (or not being seen in...
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Dec 27, 2005
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Fortunately, in science, if we choose the wrong direction (theory), there is no fooling Mother Nature. Experiments show we are wrong or logic, or some other...
Davin C. Enigl
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Dec 27, 2005
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Davin, That is what should happen in theory and it is what happens when participants produce testable predictive theories and follow the rules of open,...
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Yes, science has its share of drunk-inspired speculation, but those are not scientific theories yet. I'd say they are speculative research programmes. I took...
Davin C. Enigl
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Quote: You are talking about scientific speculation, religion, and bar-room drunk inspired pseudo-wisdom, that become pseudo-scientific theories. In the Press...
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Quote: No, what I am talking about are `theories' that obtain apparent consensus status as a result of a peer review process. Yes, we agree. The problem with...
Davin C. Enigl
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... At the moment I'm thinking of expanding on a short article from my website: /*An Error In Associating Lamarck With 'Adaptive Mutations'? [1] */ /In 1640...
John Latter
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John, Quote: I get the distinct impression that a number of the opinions expressed are the sole result of what the individual has been taught rather than what...
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Davin, Your comments bring up quite a number of interesting issues. While I agree in general with much of what you say, there are a couple of fine points on...
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Authority: Accepting authority over the truth-of-reality can get you killed by Mother Nature. There is no fooling her, no matter what the authority says....
Davin C. Enigl
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... I wouldn't be surprised if it was even higher - but you wouldn't want to alienate your entire audience would you? :) John -- *Model of an Internal...
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Ideas, even consensus ideas do change, sometimes with amazing speed. Clearly that change is not the result of thoughtful reflection and evaluation by a large...
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Davin, Aw, an exchange of authoritative opinions on the subject of authoritative opinions. Putting aside, for the moment, the question of whether...
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Actually, I never go to the grocery store because I don’t trust the food. I worked as a food microbiologist for about 15 years. I know the screw-ups. To...
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Basic decisions on authority is laughable where I work. We read the most authoritative articles and trash their research all the time. We even comment that...
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From: "warrenbergerson" <warrenbergerson@...> ... Science can determine the validity of evolution, and the nature of evolution. What can philosophy do?...
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Science's metaphysics is Super-Realism or Transcendental-Realism as far as I am concerned. Choose your flavor of Realism which says reality is the ultimate...
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... I cannot disagree with much of the above Warren - although I am unclear about what "the decision making performed by these change agents may not be what we...
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John, Quote: All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. A...
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... It is the psychological origin of the resistance that I find particularly interesting. The quote gives the general (and worst!) case while the example of...
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... Might as well stay consistent and say that in the third stage it's ridiculed as self-evident--it was known all along. It's ridicule all the way. I'd like...
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... Well I know some people who would look back at Galileo's peer's and say "Boy, they musta been dumb believing the sun revolved around the earth!" Then, two...
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From: "John Latter" <jorolat@...> ... I don't know what the average person thought about Galileo. I wonder if anybody at the time talked about the...
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... I think the problem lay in not being able to see beyond the egocentric - oops, I mean geocentric - theory. Galileo ultimately spent the rest of his life...
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