Aloha, what follows is an interview with Edgar Fouche conducted by Paola Harris
in 1999 and printed in her book, Connecting the Dots, pp. 84-90. It illustrates
more of his views on black projects and how extraterrestrial technologies have
been secretly reverse engineered. He gives more details about the TR-3B flying
triangle and claims it is the basis for many UFO sightings involving flying
triangles. This is worth considering given widespread knowledge of how the
Biefeld-Brown effect produces a lift for objects by using high voltages charges,
and how large triangular objects offer a stable geometric design for optimal
effect. The following 15 min video gives a demonstration on how the
Biefeld-Brown effect works and why triangles are most stable:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7083133926237328062&q=lifter&hl=en



Fouche also makes a number of major claims in his interview based on his
research and interviews with covert project personnel. He claims for example
that the Santilli alien autopsy film is disinformation based on actual footage
of an alien autopsy. The real EBEs from Roswell he says had four fingers not
six. He also claims that the Nazis recovered the first extraterrestrial vehicle.
This is consistent with claims by Col Philip Corso and comments by former German
scientists such as Prof Herman Oberth. He discusses the role Majestic 12
committee in spreading disinformation that helps promote the New World Order
through manipulating fear of extraterrestrial intervention. He claims that most
ET abductions are shadow government contrived (MILABs) and use false screen
memories to make it appear as alien abductions. He argues that this may be a
secret effort to genetically modify the human population for a future scenario
where the ETs who made the Roswell EBEs return to Earth. It seems Fouche and
Steven Greer have the same idea concerning ET abductions being really MILABs. I
think Fouche and Greer err on this point since much data shows that MILABs
follow real ET abduction thus creating confusion with overlapping screen
memories and different sets of experiences. This is the conclusion that can be
drawn for example from Dan Sherman's testimony who resigned his Air Force
position due to him having to relay ET abduction data to covert government
officials who would presumable use this to authorise MILABs.



Overall, there is much value in reading Fouche's views on reversed engineered ET
vehicles and the current state of 'black' technology. My thanks to Paola Harris
for permission to circulate this interview. Her book is available at:
http://5thworld.com/Dots/index.html



In peace,



Michael Salla, PhD

www.exopolitics.org



***



Ed Fouche



I first heard about Ed Rothchild Fouche from my editor of

Dossier Alieni

and

Notizario UFO

magazines Maurizio Baiata after

the book

Alien Rapture

had come out. My boss thought it talked

about exotic planes, exotic technology like the TR3B and the

Aurora constructed in Area 51 and back-engineering. It was known

that Fouche had subcontracted to work on technology at S-4 at Area

51. Later he would talk by phone with Dr. Michael Wolf because I

would put them together and they would find common ground. This

was important for me, because I needed to cross-check stories, and I

was curious what common experiences they actually had.

Ed Fouche was as courteous, kind and sensitive as he was

tough. He has a broad view of the conspiracy and the reason for the

cover-up. He also had had some conflicts as a consequence of his

testimony, although his book was a fictionalized account in collaboration

with famed author Brad Steiger. I recognized the same kinds

of plots of intrigue, murder, secret black-ops programs and Bob

Lazar insider-type disclosure in this fictionalized plot as there was

in some of Michael Wolf’s book Ed Fouche

included an interesting element of spiritual awakening that involves

an underwater contact. The word “rapture” is biblical and prophetic.

Ed told me he enjoyed the interview, and he sent me a great deal of

technical material on the TR-3B and aerial technology. In this interview

I asked him also about the alien presence and about any possible

contact experiences he might have had, since I was struck by the

“underwater” scene in the book, which resembled the one from the

movie

The Abyss

. I thank Ed for trusting me and sharing his fine mind

and his thoughts with me.

Ed Fouche Telephone Interview 1999

Paola Harris (PH): During your talk at the Laughlin Conference in

Nevada, you showed slides of a plane built using very advanced

technology, similar to extraterrestrial technology.

Ed Fouche (EF): They show the development of certain craft which the

government denies exist.

PH: Are the photos classified or unclassified?

EF: Some used to be classified, but they aren’t anymore. Take the TR-

3B for example. We had an old digital image where it was impossible

to make out the shape of this craft. So I took it to a friend, a

graphics expert, who enhanced the details by enlarging it. That’s

how we managed to accurately recreate its characteristics.

PH: Is this material in the public domain?

EF: No, we may have restored a photo, but the TR-3B is still the most

secret craft in the world. The government has many covert programs,

and at least half a dozen of them concern top secret

planes— the most highly classified objects in the world—and the

technology behind them.

PH: When triangular objects are sighted, as in Belgium in 1990, are

they actually craft built by the government?

EF: They aren’t alien. They have a flat, triangular shape; we call them

mantas

—a kind of TR-3A with bat wings, totally different from

the TR-CB. A friend of mine, “Gerald”, worked for NASA for the

whole of his career. We met at the end of 1976. According to him,

there are three prototypes of these craft measuring about sixty

meters (200') across, and the operational model is about 180

meters (600') across. He saw them with his own eyes. The copyright

on this information dates back to 1994.

PH: Did he tell you what year he saw them?

EF: I think he saw the first prototype in 1991. There were triangular

planes before then, but this was the first triangular craft with an

Magnetic Field Disrupter (MFD), a magnetic propulsion system.

It’s a plasma accelerator which somehow disrupts gravity around

the craft, thereby reducing its mass and weight by 89%. In practice,

this was the result of reverse engineering from UFOs, but it

didn’t fly like a UFO, as it had an operational efficiency of 89%. If

you’ve got a craft which can’t reduce its mass and weight more

than this, the only logical thing to do is to build a triangular-shaped

craft with three multiphase rocket engines mounted at the corners,

which is precisely what people see, both in the 200' version and in

the 600' one. The photos, which are very dark and are posted on the

Internet, were taken at night, and you can see three bright lights

which correspond to rocket engines. The large glow in the center is

due to the energy generated by the MFD.

PH: A friend of mine who works in Intelligence told me that you had

come into possession of MJ-12 documents. What did they contain?

EF: Part of the documents concerned the autopsy of some supposed

aliens, similar to those described by Col. Corso in his statements,

and also some things that came out of Santilli’s alien autopsy,

broadcast in the U.S. on FOX, which in my opinion is a reconstruction

by the government in an attempt at disinformation.

PH: Are you referring to the Santilli footage with the alien with six fingers?

EF: Yes. The aim of the reconstruction, based on the original footage

but showing an alien with six fingers, was to confuse the public.

Anyway, an MJ-12 autopsy document also talks about a removable

lens, like the one seen in the Santilli footage and as described by

Col. Corso. But note that these MJ-12 documents were filed a long

time before Corso wrote the draft of his book or before Santilli had

seen it in the footage.

PH: That’s interesting. And did the aliens have six fingers?

EF: No, four. Why did they film aliens with six fingers? Think about it

for a moment. If everyone believes that four-fingered aliens are

roaming the Earth, and all of a sudden footage appears which corresponds

exactly to the real film but where the being has six fin-

gers, then it’s clear that the footage is not genuine. The aliens in the

video aren’t real.

PH: There may be more than one race, given that they are allegedly

biological entities created in a laboratory.

EF: I disagree with Dr. Wolf’s view here. Initially, there was a UFO

crash in Germany and the aliens there were grays. The second

crash happened at Roswell and another then occurred in the U.S. In

between the two incidents, there was a UFO crash in Russia.

PH: Some alien races are believed to be very similar to human beings.

Col. Corso said that it was worrisome that some of these races may

be so humanlike that they could walk along Pentagon corridors

without being recognized.

EF: As I mentioned, one of my key informers, an NSA investigator,

swore that there was an alien race of this kind. We knew of their

existence but had never managed to communicate with them. This

is why a massive technological race began in order to equal them,

so we could protect ourselves. Although these aliens have never

shown hostile tendencies, they were so technologically advanced

that they constituted a potential threat. You know how the military

thinks: if they can’t control something, they prefer to kill it.

PH: That’s absolutely true!

EF: So it was all part of the rationale; it was a question of secrecy. At

that time the Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI), or the so-called

Star Wars program, was launched, and following a new Majestic

12 Charter, various technologies were developed, basically to

defend the atmosphere, which forms our external barrier.

PH: Have you ever heard of luminous aliens, or beings of light?

EF: Quite the opposite. The reason why this race uses EBEs (Extraterrestrial

Biological Entities), going back to Roswell, is because they

are neither humanoid nor sentient beings. In the autopsy document,

EBEs are described as absolutely identical to each other, that is to

say, they are manufactured beings. This is logical, in my opinion.

Indeed, there is no reason to send a living being to explore the universe

on a one-way journey when your scientific knowledge is

advanced enough to create an EBE which can do it for you. Today,

we have moved closer to this type of technology: Beings are being

designed with higher perceptive capabilities, for example better

visual abilities, where the bodies are programmed for a mission

and then they are sent into space. While considering myself to be a

rational person and not agreeing with many aspects of UFOlogy,

everything I wrote in my book is completely logical, in my view

and in the view of those who know me.

PH: So in other words, they are robots or androids. Do you know anyone

who has communicated with them?

EF: According to Gerald, at the site of the Roswell incident a “body”

was found still alive. Everyone denies that Secretary of Defense

Forrestal was at the scene. On the contrary, it seems that everyone

had a good false alibi. Well according to Gerald, Forrestal was

right there, and communicated telepathically with the alien. As you

know, Secretary Forrestal then began to show signs of a mental

and emotional disorder, and was admitted to Bethesda Hospital,

where he threw himself out of a window on the sixteenth floor. In

my view, there aren’t any holes in the story. They have never sent

us an alien ambassador, and there are no underground bases where

military personnel work alongside aliens. If we had had some sort

of technology-exchange program with them, why would we have

to invest billions of dollars in Research and Technology in order to

do everything on our own? We could give them hundreds more

human beings in exchange for their science.

PH: In your opinion, do these androids or manufactured beings have a

program? They must have, mustn’t they, seeing as too many people

continue to talk about their abduction experiences?

EF: I’m not so sure, and this is part of the current diatribe. According to

Gerald and another two people I have talked to, there have been

some abductions, but only a limited number. Most abductions are

carried out by the government.

PH: Why on Earth would the government be involved in abductions

and insert screen memories in people’s minds, making them

believe they were abducted by aliens?

EF: There are several reasons. TMK is easy to use: it’s a mind control

technique first used in the ‘30s and ‘40s, when the CIA used to

give people large doses of marijuana extract (THC), heroin and

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mescaline, altering human behavior via brainwaves or ultrasound

to create screen memories or to put false memories into people’s

minds.

PH: In other words, you are saying that the manipulation of human

beings is being carried out by the government, and not by aliens.

EF: Three people I trust swear that they are absolutely sure of this.

Think about it—one of the reasons which comes to mind is that if

there were some alien germ which could infect us, we could alter

human genetics through injections. But what would happen if

aliens came to Earth and released microbes which could modify

our atmosphere? We would have be able to adapt. In other words,

maybe we know that aliens are coming and they will settle on

Earth. How can we protect our race?

PH: Is this how you explain the reasoning behind abductions?

EF: Exactly. It’s for the protection of the species. Or maybe they’ve

learned how to improve our species from genetic engineering.

PH: But why abduct people, Ed? Why do we have to do it in such a violent

way? Can’t we find another solution? For example, say it’s

being done to fight a disease?

EF: But how would you harvest eggs?

PH: But these people truly believe that they have passed through walls

and been in spaceships. Why would the government create all

these false memories?

EF: Disinformation. If you plant half a dozen different versions of what

is going on in people’s minds, no-one will ever believe anyone

else, and that’s exactly what’s happening.

PH: It’s a worldwide phenomenon. In Italy too, really strange things are

happening to people who live both in cities and in remote areas.

How can it possibly be a government conspiracy?

EF: It could be a cross-section.

PH: They would have to have made agreements with Italy and all the

other nations.

EF: I have never believed in the theory of aliens or the New World

Order controlling minds for financial reasons. The New World

Order exists for a different reason, it’s part of a Majestic 12 plan to

unite the world under a single government. Supposing there’s an

alien threat, how could we unite the world under one power? How

could we all agree? We would never agree, not even through the

United Nations. Not unless a pre-existing authority imposed the

terms of the future new order.

PH: So you believe that convincing people that we are threatened by

aliens will unite everyone in a single world order?

EF: Yes. It would also happen in the event of a crisis. Y2K is a prime

example. The world now relies on computers. There is no easier

way than to crash all the computers in the world to take control and

overcome those who possess all the computer-based and military

power.

PH: Why would they take control?

EF: To rule the world under a single government.

PH: Made up of...

EF: Whoever these people are.

PH: So, as far as you are concerned, the UFO phenomenon is in reality

a major conspiracy devised by the people of the New World Order,

who may be acting exclusively for their own benefit? We blame

aliens for abductions, but in actual fact it’s the government’s

doing?

EF: Put it like this: we are under threat. Whoever has sent these genetically

designed androids or robots (EBEs) to Earth has transmitted a

return signal. These beings have found an inhabitable planet with

intelligent life forms, and sooner or later the real “striking force,”

the real aliens, will arrive. So we have embarked on this massive

program; we have eggs from all these people. We have created special,

genetically modified children, and we have placed them in all

areas of society through adoption, including placements with individuals

connected to the government.

PH: Just a minute, you may be right! They have given these children to

people connected to the government. I think I have met some of

these children. But why would they do this?

EF: OK, I’ll tell you. A microbiologist friend of mine is a great believer

in junk DNA; that is to say, the potential of our DNA has never

really been grasped. In reality, it can form a third DNA helix,

which is an important evolutionary change. Once the One World

…

Order is established, all the genetically modified individuals will

be injected with another DNA element. Imagine, for example,

DNA capable of sparking off an evolutionary process inside them:

these individuals will be able to control the world and not be influenced

by aliens, even biological entities which communicate mentally.

They will all be placed in key positions, and obviously their

seed and eggs will be used to make more human beings, who will

also be endowed with these abilities.

PH: Have you ever as a child had anything strange happen?

EF: When I was small, my mother says once when we were riding in

the forest, we saw a forest fire which came right into the car but

my mother does not like to talk about it. I have a vague recollection

of it. It is funny that you are the only person who has ever

asked me that question.

PH: I am curious sometimes why people are interested in this field, Ed.

Sometimes it could be they are chosen or given an invitation.

Thanks for the interview.




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