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Aloha, what follows is an email exchange concerning reactions to the UN UFO meetings material. Further information is relayed about the original source for Clay and Shawn Pickering's material by Robert Morningstar, an editor of UFO Digest.

In peace,

Michael Salla, Ph.D.
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----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Robert Morningstar <robert.morningstar@...>
To: Vinceomni@...
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 12:22:03 PM
Subject: Re: Attitudes and Reactions to possible UN UFO meetings

Hello, Vince...

Thank you for your post. 

It was badly needed to balance the negativism of most of the comments of "know-it-all" and "I-don't-believe-if-I didn't-find-it" UFO experts who have posted their comments on UFO Updates and other sites.

I can tell you now that I have been privy to these developments for many months now, having met Shawn and Clay Pickering in NYC on June 24th, 2007, the 60th Anniversary of Ken Arnold's sighting. 

Since that time, I have had the privilege of addressing their NYC Disclosure Group twice and have come to know these two gentlemen very well as friends and confidants.  They are honest, intelligent and sincere UFO investigators and have shared much important information with me.

The skepticism and, in some cases, the rancor with which their information has been received is typical of the wariness of many UFO researchers.  There have been many caustic comments (none of substance) from certain UFOlogists who jealousy guard their niches, purviews and "spheres of influence" in UFOlogy.  Their reactions, in many cases, have been identical to the mass media's typical reflex arcs for the past 6 decades, which include condemnation, sarcasm, derision and ridicule.

Many critics have objected to Clay and Shawn's "non-disclosure" of the identity of their source, which is the same criticism that was leveled many years ago at Leonard Stringfield.  Yet, as the decades have passed, many of Mr. Stringfield's revelations have been shown to be correct and the reliability of his "unnamed sources" has been validated.  Mr. Stringfield's need to protect his sources has also been acknowledged. 

It is obvious (but, perhaps, this requires a restatement) that once a researcher betrays the identity of a source (when anonymity has been requested), he will not be trusted again, the information flow is stopped, the source is compromised, in some cases, with dire consequences, and source will loose his/her position of access to the information).

I am writing to let you all know that I, along with Dr. Michael Salla, received the same information and have been kept abreast of developments in this disclosure process for many months now.  I have met and conversed by phone/email many times with Shawn and Clay Pickering and, although we don't agree 100% on UFO theory, we do hold many similar views in UFOlogy, one of which is in the field of mass psychology, which is the basis of the "non-disclosure" policy of most governments. 

This is something we all know since the revelations of The Robertson Panel and The Brookings Institution white paper written for NASA in the 1960s (On the Peaceful Uses of Outer Space).

I received word of the prospective UN UFO meeting a couple of days before the event and I too was surprised but I should not have been considering the magnitude of events that have transpired since the NPC UFO Conference in Washington, DC on November 12th and the Stephensville UFO flap (which continues even now).

Clay and Shawn first informed me of their contact's identity and source's background on June 24th at the UFO Culture of Contact Symposium here in NYC at which time they presented a second copy of the famous SOM-101 (UFO Crash Retrieval Manual), which they allowed me to inspect and which I recognized to be a nearly perfect Xerox copy of an original source document with perfectly aligned margins (no bent or folded pages, no fuzzy type as in the photographed copy which appeared about 10 years ago (when I first read it).  This copy appeared to be more detailed than the bare bones version that has been circulating during intervening years.

It was their copy of this document, SOM-101, and the coherent story that they told of how it was acquired by their source that drew me to follow the lead.  As stated above, we have had many meetings and exchanges of information (what I like to call "cross-pollination of information") during the past 8 months, which have given me confidence in the source and the document they presented at the symposium. 

On the night of the reported UN UFO meeting, I received a working copy of their SOM-101 (which is distinctly different from the original copied from photographs) and I was briefed on the UN meeting, given the same information that was revealed by Dr. Salla. 

Since Dr. Salla had done such an outstanding job in presenting a synopsis of the event, I did not write a report on it.  Instead, Dirk Vander Ploeg, the publisher of U.D.,  and I chose instead to have Dr. Salla's article republished on UFO Digest.Com.

The reactions of the UFO community came in "hot and heavy," with many ranting "Rumplestiltskin-types," jumping up and down into a hole in the ground (figuratively speaking).  Some of their comments excoriated Shawn and Clay and their "unnamed source."

 

I am writing to tell you all that I have great confidence in Shawn and Clay Pickering; in their honesty, the high quality of their information and the reliability of their source.

 

One week after the purported UN UFO meeting, I was introduced to and met their "source" in New York City.  We spent nearly 2 hours together over drinks and I was able to converse with him at length on his background and previous career as a high-ranking officer in one of the US armed forces and his current position as a diplomat.

His background story and his character (as "an officer and a gentleman") check out in my book.

 

The basic premise behind this "secret" UN UFO meeting was a "testing of the waters" in order to prepare for worldwide UFO disclosure through the United Nations.  The story was intentionally leaked through the Pickering Brothers in order to evaluate the reaction of the public and the UFO community. 

Basically, the US government wants to study the reaction of the public at large and UFOlogists, in particular, to the prospect of full UFO disclosure sometime within the next 8-9 years.

I must say that the reaction of the general public has been promising but that of most UFOlogists (responding in UFO Updates) has been somewhat disappointing although the comments of others, older - more experienced - and having known or lived through the Leonard Stringfield era have weighed in with open minds and more intelligent, less emotional comments. 

 

The UFO Disclosure operation is a very delicate matter, which will take quite a bit of time to achieve while exercising great caution on the part of governments all along the way.  The indoctrinated, misinformed or disinformed human mind (such as those of religious fanatics) is a very fragile entity and a very dangerous one when rattled.  The public mind must be protected while the work of untangling the lies and cover stories of 60 years is being done.  It is very much a "psychosurgical procedure," excising the lies that have been implanted in the public mind to be replaced by facts as they really are.

During this delicate period, both the public mind and the identity of the source(s) must be protected so that the work of Disclosure can be completed without peril to either the subject or the source(s).

 

Best regards to all,

Robert Morningstar

  Editor, UFO Digest
 


 
On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 10:56 AM, <Vinceomni@...> wrote:
Listers,
 
This note is not directed to any single  individual who  commented  
concerning possible UN meetings on disclosures. It is the overall
response pattern that dismays and concerns. It does not reflect well
on the flexibility and adaptive quality of our research community.
I do not know the sources and circumstances well enough to either
accept or reject the particular accounts. It does need serious discussion
however.
 
However the reports of extreme contentious squabbling , short sighted
self interest, religious dogmatic disputations, the refusal to think in
other than the most immediate national provincialism, has a
strong ring of truth, it reminds one of some UFO conferences.   
 
The comments in this venue, so far, seem embarrassing in their ; simplistic,
reactionary , rigid categorical thinking, binary logic , and lack of imagination
as to the possible stellar neighborhood complexities. It doesn't seem
that most think outside of the most elementary labels  and reflexive thinking.
 
There is a non adult  simplistic thought being applied. The statement
that visitors are concerned with  human freedom and free will choice
is greeted with what amount to hoots of ridicule. This is taken as a lazy
excuse to deal  as mindlessly as mainstream media deals with UFOs
in general.
 
That there may be off world divisions,  jurisdictional conflicts, alliances,
varied goals and policies , that may be in play seems to be beyond the
spectrum of thinking possible. Some factions , may very well have
a keen sense of freedom and free will---the traffic here has for the
most part avoided population centers in broad daylight, they haven't
overtly invaded, we are not treated as north American  Indians were
treated, with colonization and conquering. 
 
Instead of a serious analysis of possible ET diplomatic and indications
watching activity trend lines that point towards a daylight appearance
over populated areas, we have the superficial logic that this would lead
to planetary panic. Nonsense  Yes, many would be upset and greatly
excited. The major talking  heads , network anchors , government officials,
would all be on the hot seat. but even if a Phoenix ( 3-13-97 ) type event
took place , at high noon , we'd manage, we will manage. The skeptics
would hide out, churchs would be packed as much as bars, and there
would be  a mass sell off on Wall St and .elsewhere.
 
We did not go from covered wagons, sailing ships and feudalism,
and mass illiteracy without having the planetary potential that attracts
the visitor traffic from stars likely many parsecs distant. Ape men
do not build fusion weapons and electrogravity drives. ( go look
into what is going on at the Warton Special projects Site in UK or flying
out of N.Edwards, skeptics go look before dismissal. Lockheed Martin
and BAE are up to something big, they've spent billions doing so. )
 
This ET shock and awe show is , to this observer the catalyst that
will be like a planetary espresso  caffeine jolt, that will finally begin a
global discussion on our pig headed plunge into ecological disasters,
carrying capacities and finally prod leaders and legislatures  to thinking
about more than the next election. Forums such as Davos will
transition from polite speeches , to intellectual full scale brawling
hammer and tong , dialogue, and the real options on the table.
 
What is continuing to happen in Texas skies, and elsewhere is a
giant clock ticking down to an " in your face" daylight event, one that
is simply the natural incremental direction things are going. One
of the Phoenix or recent Texas leviathans will be hanging over Manhattan
long before 2017, or 2012 based on trend lines.
 
The Noon day sun shining on a  1,000 ft long cylinder or chevron
hanging over lower Manhattan  will cast a mocking shadow on the
refusal on many forums to see this step. For note , the UFO waves
of the 40's and 50's came as a surprise, so too , will be  the next step.
 
Non interference policy? That is a bad joke, ever since the 40's and 
50's crash retrievals, our governing circles have been fundamentally
directed and  interfered with. 'A shock and awe step is simply the
next  , logical step. Snooze  on , those who think the
status quo of ambiguity will go on forever. You'll awake to seeing
news staff literally running in the news centers, and five hundred 
or a thousand ships hanging over every major city on the planet. 
Soon. Tomorrow. or a year, or two, or three, at the most of
tomorrows.  
 
For the record, no equivocation , this is our future. For
it is this observers judgement  , that our destiny is not for
our planet to stumble and bumble without outside major
effect in perpetuity.
 
Perhaps even some gray skinned analyst , is muttering,
telepathically , "damn  it, some human is going to spoil
this yet---it's supposed to be a surprise, for maximum
growth maturity result ".
 
Vince White. FEB 23 2008  
 
 
 




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