Aloha All, I thought I would post a couple of messages from the
prepare4contact forum where the 'tall white' extraterrestrials are
being discussed in relation to the trade deals and resource
extraction they are performing. I think that the strategic questions
raised in the discussion are worth considering. The discussion was
sparked by my recent correspondence with Charles Hall which you
received: "'Tall White' ETs, Technology Transfer and Resource
Extraction" http://www.exopolitics.org/Exo-Comment-25.htm . What
follows below is a post from a forum member who responds to my
article and raises some pertinent strategic questions at the end
concerning the role of global consciousness in dealing with ETs
performing 'resource extraction' on Earth. I then follow with my
post to another member where I discuss the strategic imperative of
using global consciousness in dealing with such ETs .

In peace

Michael E. Salla, PhD
www.exopolitics.org

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From: "Angelika Whitecliff" <Angelika@...>
Date: Fri Dec 17, 2004 4:56 pm
Subject: RE: 'Tall White' ETs, Technology Transfer and Resource
Extraction

Aloha Michael,
How shaken many people must be by this Charles Hall case and its
implications of our government and military being given no choice in
the
current occupation of the ET group known as the Tall Whites upon our
soil.
Further the military seems so intimidated that they have negotiated
terms for
giving away freely of our resources for seeming crumbs of
technology. And
more alarming, your posited idea of these resources including a
human slave
trade potentially in progress is not only possible and plausible
given the
current information and questions raised by the Hall material, but
perhaps
finally sheds light upon the whole issue of missing children and
adults
statistics whose cases each year across the country (and world)
offer no
`normal' explanation for the disappearances, even after thorough
investigations by highly resourced and trained professional
investigators.

The abduction phenomena has shown us that millions around the globe
can
and have been taken involuntarily and been subjected to the will and
experimentation of another race. (Much the same as what many of our
scientist do still today with lab animals – they too have what they
believe to
be
a strong rational to justify their work – but this is merely a
reflection of
ourselves which we must simultaneously address.) My goodness, is
there a
connection between the Tall Greys, the Greys and these Tall Whites?
They
both seem to have negotiated treaties with our government under the
pressure of their more advanced technology and with the implication
that we
could not stop what would happen anyway, so why not cooperate and be
kept
informed and even get a little technology for our military. Could
these three
groups all be from a common gene pool or at least working together
on a
common agenda for the earth and the harvesting of her resources as
well as
creating a vision for her future?

Charles Hall stated in his last interview: "I can only guess.
However, I would
doubt very seriously that the US government has the ability to place
any limits
of that type on the
tall whites. The tall whites are very independent. As I describe in
my books, I
wouldn't think that any human, US government or otherwise would dare
saying "No" to them or trying to limit them against their will. It
would be
suicide
to try. Any such agreement
would have to be very carefully negotiated." So the problem here is
that the
military does not have the technological resources to do anything to
stop this
threat and perhaps they are leaking this information looking for
help.

It was once thought by our government and military that unavoidable
ecological disaster was going to wipe out life on this planet or at
least
devastate it and dates were predicted for this tragedy. But what was
foretold
has not come and things are looking better despite the Bush
administrations
refusal to acknowledge and curtail ecologically destructive
practices. Were all

the scientists wrong? No. Instead humanity and consciousness began to
wake up on the planet and envision a better future. And humanity
continues
to experience this awakening and more and more people are joining the
bandwagon that recognizes that love and self-empowerment can and is
changing the future. So, has the military (or at least a few bright
individuals
in
charge) finally come to understand the power of consciousness over
technology. Perhaps they are asking us to take the blinders off our
illusions
of safety and to step forward in the power of our light and say
collectively
`NO!' to this particular ET presence and to say `no more' to this
type of
extortion and criminal activity perpetrated against humanity.

I went to the site of the American Institute for Economic Research
to find out
how much $600,000 would equal by today's standards and it would be
the
equivalent of $3,496,296.30 in 2004. This would mean that in one
single
shipment the USAF gave three and a half million dollars worth of
children's
clothing to the Tall Whites. And they could have shipments whenever
they
wanted according to Hall, as well as food and raw metals as far as he
witnessed (and what more didn't he witness). As Michael pointed out
in his
summary, the Tall Whites showed time and again their contempt for our
interior things. Are they lying to us about their motives? The Tall
Whites
said
that they only wanted to use the Earth as a stop over to re-supply
and repair
their ships which are heading to farther destinations. Why then are
they
building scout ships here, out of our materials, and fitting them
with
anti-gravity drives which would make them capable of traveling out
of our
solar system? Are they building a fleet and why? They already have
their
inter-stellar ships they arrived on, why do they need more than this
if our
planet is merely a stop over?

There are still so many issues here, but the last one I will bring
up in this
post
is the information about supplying them with our food. Hall
stated, "On a
different occasion
The Teacher stated pleasantly that it wouldn't be a good idea for me
to eat all
of the foods that they ate. She implied that two of their favorite
foods would
have adverse effects on me." And he also stated that he never
witnessed a
Tall White eating our food. Perhaps it is just happenstance that he
did not
see this seemingly common event, yet it also sounds strange when he
says of
a Tall White he sees in a casino, "He had ordered a complete
dinner with water and cola to drink. It was on the table in front of
him.
However, he did not appear to have eaten any of it." Perhaps this is
another
coincidence, but it makes one wonder if this food really is for them
or if they
just want it to `appear' this way, as too with all those children's
clothes.

In order to take advantage of us, the Tall Whites or any other
predatory group
need to make us feel like we are helpless and without resources to
defend
ourselves and our planet. But this is just not true. Yes, it is true
the
technologically we are outdone, but this is secondary to our own
awakening
and empowerment of consciousness. It is consciousness and collective
intent
that can save the day here and in similar types of challenges. We do,
however, need to get out of denial over our own savagery and
simultaneously
stop our own abuses to animals, the environment and fellow human
beings.
It is the universal law of correspondence in action and these Tall
Whites offer
us a reflection of our own brutal face here upon planet earth. In
this way we
can thank them for shaking us out of our own inertia and sleep to
recognize
that when we say `NO' to abuse here amongst ourselves, we will stop
karmatically calling it in to mirror our lack of attention to this
area.

Thank you Michael, and also to Charles Hall, for bringing this
information to
us so that we may consider how to create a solution for a positive
outcome.
Peace to all,

Angelika Whitecliff


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Aloha Planetearth.

I agree with you that this kind of resource extraction with visiting
ETs and controling human elites has been going on a long time. I bet
that the illuminati have been aware of similar things going on and
also made their deals over the centuries. However, the data for that
is a bit sketchy and comes across as unsubstantiated conspiracy
theory since there's few eyewitness accounts showing this. That's
where books by Icke and Marrs are informative and make good reading,
but ultimately don't persuade too many since people say `where's the
evidence'? So it's good to see first hand evidence of such deals
described in the Hall books by someone who has integrity and can
appeal to a wide audience. So we know that such deals have happened
with the tall whites who reflect the attitudes of the US generals
they deal with as you say.

Now there are a couple of things which I don't agree with and feel
you go too far in your analysis of the corruption of the elites
controlling ET affairs. It's not that you are wrong, I think it's
just that you let your cyncism about the motiviations of the
insiders take you to conclusions that strategically cut off
opportunities for reaching out to those on the inside who might
positively respond to our concerns. You and others might say, why
would we want to reach out those insiders who appear `progressive'
and concerned about what's going on with the tall whites?

My answer is that if you look for the best in others, then you have
most chance in bringing that out. That works on both a personal and
organizational level. If we go around thinking that all
elites/insiders are corrupt, don't care about people, and make
immoral deals with ETs that trade Earth's assets including `abducted
humans' for technology, well that cuts of opportunities for
cooperation.

I think that there's always the tendency for outsiders who are aware
of the problems to assume that the only decent people are on the
outside who aren't compromised by the power structures. I think that
is true to an extent, but it's also true that many decent people end
up working for these various agencies and discover what's going on
and become appalled. They resign themselves to the situation since
there doesn't seem to be an alternative strategy, but they are still
appalled at what's happening and looking for alternative strategic
paths. I think that's where those of us on the outside become
relevant because we think outside the box and can come up with new
strategic solutions.

In fact, I feel that the new strategy for dealing for ET races like
the tall whites is already happening with the evolution of global
consciousness that Angelika spoke about. Quite simply, as more
people on the outside learn what's really going on, then I think the
global consciousness eventually kicks in and says NO to situations
like the tall whites, it's as simple as that. Then such races will
either change tack or disappear altogether, so the goal is to get
the word out, that's where those on the inside can help. They need
to understand that transparency actually helps the situation since
an informed global population has power to change things simply by
discovering what's going on and saying NO. That was her point and I
agree with it. There is a power in simply saying NO to what the
tall whites and other ETs are doing that the military haven't
realized since they underestimate human consciousness and assume all
power comes from technology.

Now this takes us to the question of what's driving Hall's
revelations. Is it because there are military insiders who want us
to find out the truth so we might help change a situation that
repels them, or is it disinformation to create a new enemy that will
justify vast military spending when public disclosure eventually
happens? It may be a combination of both, but my feeling is that
it's more that those on the inside know that strategically they are
at a dead end, and that the present policies are both morally
repugnant and strategically questionable.

This is where I think it's important to distinguish between the
leadership and rank file of the military, and the shadow government
in general. Now you say that the generals couldn't care less about
what's going on. They just care for the technology and that's it. I
think that's a fair description of the generals in the Hall books.
Your ideas that the generals coming back out of the tall white's
shuttles being compromised is something worth considering. However,
when we look at the military as a whole, I think it's wrong to say
they view their lower ranks and people in general as expendable. I
think the military culture does promote a kind of `buddy system' and
ethic of national protectors that would lead to many military people
becoming appalled at the true situation involving the tall whites
and other ETs doing the abductions, etc. That comes through in the
Corso book.

This is where I think the military are more sympathetic to our
perspective, whereas the shadow government aren't. The military
culture stresses themes of comradeship/buddies and national
protectors which makes many of them appalled at what's really going
on. The culture of shadow government employees who come up through
the various agencies is more along the lines of promoting their
agencies interests through being aggressively clever and rational
maximizers. Basically, you come up with policies that make most
rational sense from the perspective of your agencies goals and push
it with all your energy. That's a different ethic to `national
protectors' and the buddy system of the military.

In conclusion, I'm trying to draw out some nuances here between the
various agencies in the military and civilian sector, and the elites
secretly running things, by using finer brush strokes and a mix of
colors, whereas you might use broader brush strokes with darker
colors. I don't think you are entirely wrong in the picture you are
painting, just that the colors you use for the insiders is not
entirely right since you have more pessimistic analysis of the
motivations of those on the inside. Now I'm not saying I'm entirely
right either with my more nuanced picture using a mix of dark and
light colors, but the truth is somewhere in between the pictures we
are respectively painting.

I think we need to be more nuanced about what's happening on the
inside and avoid the trap that we are the only `good guys' trying to
deal with the problems that come from the secret deals in place with
the tall whites. I think the answer comes from us just getting
accurate information and putting it out and empowering people in the
process. Once we get sympathetic insiders to understand that, then
they'll be more forthcoming in letting this information out since
they understand we are ready to handle it and can come up with a
solution to a problem they can't solve. Utlimately, an informed
population that knows what's going on has tremendous power when it
says NO. We and the ETs know that, but the military don't. We have
to educate the military in that sense so they can let go of their
fears and 'shame' of what's been happening with the ETs so that they
allow the public to know the truth. That's a strategic rather than a
moral imperative.

In peace

Michael S.



--- In prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com, "planetearth55555"
<prioris@e...> wrote:
>
>
> ===
>
> "I can only guess. However, I would doubt very seriously that the
US
> government has the ability to place any limits of that type on the
> tall whites. The tall whites are very independent. As I describe
in my
> books, I wouldn't think that any human, US government or otherwise
> would dare saying "No" to them or trying to limit them against
their
> will. It would be suicide to try. Any such agreement would have to
be
> very carefully negotiated."
>
> ===
>
>
> Angelika
>
> one of the most common type of disinformation pushed is the us vs
them
> perception and how "them" has "us" at their mercy
>
> for instance
>
> people are presented with some illusion like - oh, bush or
clinton is
> being blackmailed by red china so are at their mercy, oh, my
>
> they have been spewing that crap out for a long time.
>
> the beauty of such crap is that it allows "we the people" who suck
up
> that crap to continue to delude themselves while WE the people are
> being bludgeoned by the "us" politicians. It falls in the same
> category as people perceiveing "errors", "mistakes" and the like.
It
> allows WE the people to rationalize being bludgeoned thousands of
> times and still maintain the illusions of the matrix and allows the
> sheep to have compassion for the very people who are bludgeoning
them
> over and over
>
> This perception allows people the illusion of - the reason they do
> what they fecked me again is because they were forced to. This
allows
> the victim to continue their support of the victimizer. This is a
> relationship of abuse that most people on this planet have been
> trained to rationalize.
>
>
> From Hall's perspective, he saw them as a group that couldn't be
told
> what to do. This leads to the conclusion that the leaders of earth
are
> at their mercy.
>
> If Hall truly believes that the political leaders on earth are
guided
> by the "we are at their mercy" rationale, he is as brainwashed as
many
> sheep are. It is a form of delusion that people continue to re-
enact.
>
> Peoples defensive mechanism will go to great length to give their
> political leaders the benefit of the doubt in a VERY EXTEME way and
> rationalize it all.
>
> Face the reality - the people acting as our political
representatives
> have betrayed us. Take a good look at what all the politicians have
> done - not just a few but just about all of them. TRY NAMING JUST A
> HANDFUL THAT HAVE COME FORWARD
>
> The reality is that WE the INFORMED people are at the mercy of WE
the
> duped and retarded people and the repressive political
establishment
> the sheep support
>
> If they were at the mercy and being FORCED to do it, they wouldn't
be
> too anxious to bring totalitarianism to the planet because all that
> would do is increase their own vulnerability.
>
> I think whatever deals the rulers of earth have made is based on a
> quid pro quo.
>
> As far as you, me and we the human people - we are just an
expendable
> resource to them
>
> Earth is no doubt already controlled by an earth based ET that
settled
> here near the beginning. Various ETs have been involved.
>
> If the Tall White's ruling power sructure treat humans like
inferior
> dog shit, they have to stand in long line. A large segment of
humanity
> would also be standing in line for treating their fellow man like
dog
> shit.
>
> REMEMBER what Hall said about what he thought about the upper
echelon
> command, namely the generals - he and other service men are
expendable
> especially if they could acquire technology. They are AT THE MERCY
of
> their own GENERALS.
>
> No doubt we are being prepared for entry into a negative ET empire
or
> federation
>
> It is important to remember when analyzing things at the micro
level
> like Charles Halls interaction with the Tall White's that ones
> perceptions and analysis should be consistent with the big picture.
>
>
> planetearth