... I like to distinguish between acceptance and unit tests. For unit tests, I would add: - to validate the API - to enable refactoring - to keep the cost of...
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Drew Taylor
drewbie74
Feb 6, 2002 11:05 pm
Could you explain a little more about the two types of tests you mention below? Specifically the acceptance tests, and how they would relate to web apps. I'm...
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Rob Nagler
robnagler
Feb 7, 2002 5:54 am
... There are many different kinds of tests including performance and load testing. In XP we're mostly concerned about unit and acceptance testing. ... What...
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Drew Taylor
drewbie74
Feb 7, 2002 6:32 am
... How do you do that? I've only heard of tools that allow you to create a script and then playback that script. This is semiuseful, but what happens if you...
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chromatic
chromatic_perl
Feb 7, 2002 6:46 am
... If it's hidden, it's not hidden very well. :) Here's my take. Programmers don't want to write tests because: - it's not their job - it's not "real"...
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Drew Taylor
drewbie74
Feb 7, 2002 5:03 pm
... All your points are right on the money. I would venture to guess that most "good" programmers would not be against writing tests. IMHO, it's usually ...
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Ged Haywood
ged@...
Feb 8, 2002 1:11 am
Hi all, ... [snip] ... See attached. I once had to fly to seven or eight different countries over a period of several weeks to fix a $0.25 problem in a couple...
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Rob Nagler
robnagler
Feb 9, 2002 12:46 am
... The first step is to make sure your interface has structure. If you are testing arbitrarily constructed templates, you're going to have a rough time. If...
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cdhutch_99
Feb 13, 2002 11:48 pm
... Rob, Can you upload an example of a filled-in story card? I'm curious about the level of detail you're using in these. We always have a problem of getting...
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Stas Bekman
stas@...
Feb 21, 2002 11:37 am
... Since you are talking about testing apps against webserver, I'd plug in the new Apache::Test framework which most Apache::* modules' and frameworks'...
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Rob Nagler
robnagler
Jun 11, 2002 4:16 am
Chris et al, Sorry for the delay... I uploaded some story cards. They are from the book. My real story cards are a mess. The payments-planning-game card is...
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TechGirl77@...
techs_girl77
Jun 22, 2002 7:42 am
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asimjalis
Jul 22, 2002 1:56 am
For some reason writing unit tests in Perl feels really weird. I feel like Perl code is simply not supposed to be OO in the same way as Python and Java are. OO...
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Rob Nagler
robnagler
Jul 22, 2002 2:24 pm
... For practical reasons, we manage all data through classes. This simplifies the calling convention (we always use -> when calling an API). Classes can...
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Asim Jalis
asimjalis
Jul 22, 2002 8:27 pm
Hey Rob, ... What do you mean by "declarative tests"? Could you give an example? Asim __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo!...
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Rob Nagler
robnagler
Jul 23, 2002 11:41 am
... A declarative language allows you to specify your intent and the interpreter executes the program in whatever order it sees fit. SQL is a declarative...
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Rob Nagler
robnagler
Jul 29, 2002 3:12 pm
I'm trying to get an idea what people consider useful refactorings. The following refactoring is a very simple one, but I consider it useful to demonstrate how...
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Ilya Martynov
juilru
Jul 29, 2002 3:29 pm
... RN> [..snip..] RN> TITLE: Replace Conditional with Modifier RN> SYNOPSIS RN> You have an if statement with a one-line then clause. RN> Use a Perl statement...
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Drew Taylor
drewbie74
Jul 29, 2002 3:53 pm
Cool! I didn't know this trick. Hmmm, now I have one more reason I can give my coworker to use emacs instead of vi. ;-) Thanks Ilya! Since you seem to be the...
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Ilya Martynov
juilru
Jul 29, 2002 4:07 pm
... DT> Cool! I didn't know this trick. Hmmm, now I have one more reason I DT> can give my coworker to use emacs instead of vi. ;-) Thanks Ilya! DT> Since you...
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Ged Haywood
ged@...
Jul 29, 2002 6:52 pm
Hi there, ... Very simple ones. ... I suppose it's my age. I HATE Perl's statement modifiers. And I REALLY REALLY HATE "unless". ... Like I said. ... ...
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Rob Nagler
robnagler
Jul 30, 2002 4:25 am
... Every refactoring can be implemented in reverse. This is an important part of design by refactoring. This is the "art" of refactoring imo. The goal is...
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chromatic
chromatic_perl
Jul 30, 2002 4:40 am
... I like this one, especially if you demonstrate that it's reversable. I only have one nitpick. ... if 'undef' is intended to return a demonstrably false...
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Rob Nagler
robnagler
Jul 30, 2002 5:23 am
... I hope to avoid showing the reverse of every refactoring. It maybe makes sense to show one or two explicitly. ... No, you need to check if it is undef....
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chromatic
chromatic_perl
Jul 30, 2002 5:31 am
... That's fine. It's important to demonstrate that you don't always go in one direction. ... The bare return operator respects the calling context: sub false...
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Ged Haywood
ged@...
Jul 30, 2002 11:40 am
Hi all, ... 73, Ged....
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Rob Nagler
robnagler
Jul 30, 2002 1:27 pm
... Will do. ... Well, you learn something new everyday. :) Thanks! Rob...
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Stephen Nelson
stephen_e_ne...
Jul 30, 2002 3:39 pm
I've got a few refactorings on my Perlmonks homenode: http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=2329 There are also references to other refactorings there. I'd...
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Adrian Howard
ajh65537
Jul 30, 2002 6:33 pm
... [snip] Okay... here's one. (I don't have my Fowler to hand, so please excuse me if I wander off the "standard"; format :-) ... TITLE: HashBecomesObject ...
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Stephen Nelson
stephen_e_ne...
Jul 30, 2002 6:36 pm
Seconded.... I've been planning on doing that for way too long. ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
