. . . Research into development has shown that the impact of project management outweighs the impact of the choice of languages (and development tools and...
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Adrian Howard
ajh65537
Apr 7, 2005 3:29 pm
On 7 Apr 2005, at 08:36, Adrian Howard wrote: [snip] ... [snip] And the quote of the day site gave me this today. Never express yourself more clearly than you...
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Curtis Poe
curtis_ovid_poe
Apr 7, 2005 5:48 pm
... I wasn't going to say anything, but I'm surprised no one has commented about this red herring. First, I wouldn't mind see a reference for this research....
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Rob Kinyon
dragonchild93
Apr 7, 2005 6:26 pm
... That's a straw man. Competent project management would not allow for the choice of poor tools. Choose to write a project in <X> vs. <Y> requires that <X>...
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Curtis Poe
curtis_ovid_poe
Apr 7, 2005 6:42 pm
... I wondered if anyone was going to go that route, and you have. So you agree that choice of language is relevant, given a problem domain. This belies...
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Rob Kinyon
dragonchild93
Apr 7, 2005 7:39 pm
... I didn't say "problem domain". I said "project specifications";. There's a big difference. Also, not to be confused with "project requirements". An example...
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Tom Vilot
tvilot
Apr 7, 2005 7:49 pm
I generally have found that most programming projects are dictated by the available resource and the bias of that pool of people, not by the "ideal" language...
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Curtis Poe
curtis_ovid_poe
Apr 7, 2005 8:14 pm
... Which points to a sticky problem in my line of reasoning: I was arguing two points. One, Nagler claims that one doesn't need to learn languages in other...
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Tom Vilot
tvilot
Apr 7, 2005 9:10 pm
... I think what you are describing is what I will call the "Rob Nagler Reality Distortion Field." I am very familiar with it, and I believe it is best...
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Rob Kinyon
dragonchild93
Apr 7, 2005 10:04 pm
... The average project I work on is in Perl, SQL, PL/SQL, some variant of shell scripting, HTML/CSS, XML, and Javascript. That doesn't count the multitude of...
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Terrence Brannon
princepawn
Apr 8, 2005 9:46 am
... Well, you can black-box test before you write code. But whitebox testing, which is based on knowing the internals of the code has to wait until the code is...
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Karl Scotland
kjscotland
Apr 8, 2005 11:24 am
... matter ... Really? How do you know what code to write? How do you know what its supposed to do? If you know that, you can write a test for it. By ...
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Adrian Howard
ajh65537
Apr 8, 2005 1:08 pm
... Erm. No it doesn't. Why would you think it does? Adrian...
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Adrian Howard
ajh65537
Apr 8, 2005 1:15 pm
... ... and there's also the issue over testing. Doing pointless black-box testing that could never break in any real world situation. Adrian...
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Greg C
gmc444
Apr 8, 2005 4:25 pm
... I didn't say the choice of language doesn't make a difference, I said that it has less impact than the management of the project. Software people spend a ...
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Tom Vilot
tvilot
Apr 8, 2005 4:52 pm
... Wait. That sounds like Rob .... ;c) (kidding) ... Wait. That *also* sounds like Rob ... ... (not kidding!)...
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Terrence Brannon
princepawn
Apr 8, 2005 11:23 pm
... whitebox testing means looking at your code and writing tests based on what you see there. until the code is written there is nothing that can be seen or...
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Curtis Poe
curtis_ovid_poe
Apr 8, 2005 11:26 pm
... It's takes me about two seconds to say "I'm going to write this line of code. I had better write a test for it first." Cheers, Ovid [Non-text portions of...
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Rob Kinyon
dragonchild93
Apr 9, 2005 12:18 am
... According the XP methodology, whitebox testing is a smell that you didn't write enough tests at first. *wink* Rob...
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Adrian Howard
ajh65537
Apr 10, 2005 1:43 pm
... True, but sometimes I have to write those tests to demonstrate to myself where I have fouled up :-) Adrian...
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Adrian Howard
ajh65537
Apr 10, 2005 1:46 pm
On 9 Apr 2005, at 00:22, Terrence Brannon wrote: [snip] ... [snip] I guess my definition of whitebox testing is a little different from that. I consider it...
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Gerard Lim
mindmeld20
Apr 10, 2005 4:19 pm
Yet Another YAPC::NA 2005 Conference Reminder ... YAPC::NA 2005 is Yet Another Perl Conference, North America, this year to be held in downtown Toronto,...
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Tony Byrne
tony_j_byrne
Apr 10, 2005 7:30 pm
I've just published my first open source effort. It's called PerlActor and it's a simple framework to enable XP Customers to write their own executable...
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Terrence Brannon
princepawn
Apr 11, 2005 1:27 pm
... Won't people have a hard time finding it if it is not in the Test:: namespace? Perhaps it should have been called Test::Actor -- Carter's Compass: I know...
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Tony Byrne
tony_j_byrne
Apr 11, 2005 1:47 pm
Hello Terrence, TB> Won't people have a hard time finding it if it is not in the Test:: TB> namespace? Perhaps it should have been called Test::Actor I was...
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Tony Byrne
tony_j_byrne
Apr 28, 2005 8:52 am
Folks, I'm pleased to announce my first release of Test::C2FIT for Perl. It's available now from CPAN: ...
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Rob Kinyon
dragonchild93
Apr 28, 2005 2:09 pm
Tony - Why don't you ask the author(s) of Test::FIT to take over the namespace? I've done that before with good results, especially if the author(s) don't have...
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Tony Byrne
tony_j_byrne
Apr 28, 2005 4:39 pm
Hello Rob, RK> Looks good! Incidentally, Ward mentioned in an earlier mail some weeks ago, that the original Perl port of FIT didn't find much penetration....
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Karl Scotland
kjscotland
Apr 29, 2005 8:31 am
... that ... a ... hoping ... port will ... actually ... useful on a ... of ... a port. ... A long time ago, I got one of the perl FITs working with FITnesse. ...
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Tony Byrne
tony_j_byrne
Apr 29, 2005 8:47 am
Hello Karl, KS> A long time ago, I got one of the perl FITs working with FITnesse. KS> I've not got the code anymore unfortunately, but I don't seem to KS>...
