Our list seems to be growing all of a sudden. Is there a upswing in the use of Perl around the world or XP? Cheers, Rob...
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Rob Kinyon
dragonchild93
Aug 26, 2005 1:41 pm
... I think it's more that there's an upsurge in understand that XP applies to Perl. Rob...
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Adam Sroka
adamjaph
Aug 26, 2005 2:36 pm
I can't speak for anyone else, but I recently joined the list. I began my professional career in 1998 writing Perl programs for the web. Then, in late 2001,...
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Dave Cross
daveorguk
Aug 26, 2005 10:23 pm
... Of course, it might just be that you were linked to from this week's new perl.com article. Dave......
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Rob Nagler
robnagler
Aug 26, 2005 10:52 pm
... Must be. We had at +10 sign ups today. PR adds value. Rob...
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J Matisse Enzer
matisse
Aug 27, 2005 1:00 am
Here's the URL of the article - link to this group is on the last page. http://perl.com/pub/a/2005/08/25/tools.html...
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Rob Nagler
robnagler
Aug 27, 2005 1:35 am
... Nice article. Rob...
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Alan Young
alansyoungiii
Aug 27, 2005 4:26 pm
That article is how I found out about extreme perl. -- Alan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
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J Matisse Enzer
matisse
Aug 27, 2005 9:38 pm
... Cool :-)...
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cpp gent
cppgent0
Aug 29, 2005 2:47 am
Not sure what unit tester you all use, but I wrote one that seems pretty good (so far). Its main claim to fame is it that it automatically detects test cases...
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Adam Sroka
adamjaph
Aug 29, 2005 3:12 am
I just use Test::More and prove. Why reinvent the wheel?...
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cpp gent
cppgent0
Aug 29, 2005 4:06 am
... Depends on the wheel....
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Adam Sroka
adamjaph
Aug 29, 2005 4:30 am
Right. TMTOWDI applies. But what is it about the de facto standard wheel that you don't like? I read your code, and I don't see any advantage. Enlighten me....
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Rob Nagler
robnagler
Aug 29, 2005 1:22 pm
... It's, like, very, ok, repeatitive, ok? Test::* and xUnit need a refactoring so that you only express what is the essence of the cases. They are also weak...
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Rob Kinyon
dragonchild93
Aug 29, 2005 2:10 pm
... Please explain more about what you mean "weak on the deviance side". I tend to test my failure cases using mocked objects and subroutines, which means the...
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Adrian Howard
ajh65537
Aug 29, 2005 2:43 pm
Yup. Not seeing anything that the Test::Builder modules + Test::Class or Test::Unit give. Adrian...
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Adrian Howard
ajh65537
Aug 29, 2005 3:05 pm
... I'm reading that as not liking seeing lots of "ok BLAH" statements in the test output - in which case just write a test runner that doesn't show them. I...
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Rob Nagler
robnagler
Aug 29, 2005 10:05 pm
... No, I don't like typing them. :-) ... Yes, that's what we do, too, but the structure is missing to allow for easy refactoring. ... Here's a simple...
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Rob Nagler
robnagler
Aug 29, 2005 10:23 pm
... I'm not a big fan of Mock objects. I only use them when it's absolutely necessary. I like end-to-end tests, even our unit tests hit the database. ... I...
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Adam Sroka
adamjaph
Aug 29, 2005 11:42 pm
... You make several good points, but it seems to me like you are throwing out the baby with the bath water. I never declare the number of units. A "best...
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Rob Kinyon
dragonchild93
Aug 30, 2005 1:57 am
... That is a personal preference. I prefer mocks, because it allows me to test in isolation. My theory is that perfect components will work together...
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Tom Legrady
tom_legrady
Aug 30, 2005 2:16 am
... You mean Fermat's Last Theorem; according to http://mathworld.wolfram.com/FermatsLastTheorem.html : a theorem first proposed by Fermat ...
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Rob Kinyon
dragonchild93
Aug 30, 2005 2:29 am
Yeah, that one. :-) ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
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Rob Nagler
robnagler
Aug 30, 2005 2:48 am
... We have about 12,000 lines of unit tests. We have 1,500 lines (including lengthy pod) of test framework. I would estimate that we have 50% fewer lines of...
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Rob Nagler
robnagler
Aug 30, 2005 3:04 am
... Testing does not make perfect. Code proofs don't even make perfect. The definition of perfect is constantly changing. Working out APIs a lot sooner is...
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chromatic
chromatic_perl
Aug 30, 2005 3:33 am
... I think you mean "the simpler the tests, the probably fewer the number of bugs". Otherwise, I completely disagree; your code has to get specific...
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Adam Sroka
adamjaph
Aug 30, 2005 5:15 am
... I can't recall the last time I opened a test and didn't know what it was testing, but if this ever happened I suppose my response would go something like...
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Terrence Brannon
princepawn
Aug 31, 2005 12:13 pm
... what is prove? I could not find it in the main Test::More docs: http://search.cpan.org/~mschwern/Test-Simple-0.60/lib/Test/More.pm -- Carter's Compass: I...
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Chris Hudgins
grapevine_re...
Aug 31, 2005 12:43 pm
Check out this page on CPAN: http://search.cpan.org/~petdance/Test-Harness-2.52/bin/prove <http://search.cpan.org/~petdance/Test-Harness-2.52/bin/prove> _____ ...
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Chris Hudgins
grapevine_re...
Aug 31, 2005 12:48 pm
All: Please forgive a noob for spamming you folks with HTML. Terrence, here is the link for "prove": ...
