On 3/13/06, Rob Nagler <nagler@...> wrote:
> I'm half way through the War of Art by Steve Pressfield, and I'm a bit
> shocked at his approach.  I'm in the section where he explains
> Resistance as the thing that blocks creative people.
> ...

What a great post, thanks Rob. You don't have a blog for stuff like
this, do you?

Chris

I'm half way through the War of Art by Steve Pressfield, and I'm a bit
shocked at his approach.  I'm in the section where he explains
Resistance as the thing that blocks creative people.  He's a writer,
and writes fiction, normally.  The middle of the book will explain how
to "Turn Pro".  I already have an idea of what that means through his
talk about psychology.  Frankly, it's unenlightened ihimo.

FUD is Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt.  It's a marketing technique.  A
recent example was the announcement (and leaks) of Microsoft's Origami
right after Apple's new iPod Hi-Fi.  MS is sowing FUD in consumers to
try to stop Apple's increasing growth in the home entertainment
business.  Consumers are supposed to worry they might make the wrong
decision by buying iPod Hi-Fi instead of waiting for Origami.

FUD is rooted in our trained response to fear.  We fret, because we
are afraid of humiliation (buyer's remorse).  Animals don't get
humiliated, yet they have fear.  Humiliation is a uniquely human
trait, and it starts early.

Today is a CSAP day at school.  CSAP stands for Colorado Student
Assessment Program, which is also known as "high-stakes testing".
(Read "Freakonomics" for an interesting look into high-stakes
testing.)  The first time my youngest took the CSAPs, he was agitated
the entire previous week.  He does very well on standardized tests,
but the culture of fear around the CSAP is huge.  We worked helped him
with his fears by making them real, and at the end of the week, he
said, "CSAPs are fun".  I felt proud of him and our family.  We don't
care about CSAPs, and don't discuss them at home unless the kids bring
them up.  Yet, FUD is there, and he's only in 3rd grade.

I was at school today to give out the Green Gear, which is a weekly
prize to one of the kids who rode their bike every day the previous
week (see freiker.org for details about the program).  The winner
happened to be in my other son's 5th grade class.  As I was
approaching the school, I saw three boys running from the parking lot
in t-shirts and sneakers through the heavy snow.  They were in Benji's
class, and they were carrying goodies and giggling.  I know them and
joked about it being cold.  5th grade boys are often immune to cold if
they are pre-occuppied.  These boys certainly were.

I went to Benji's class, and it was like the inmates had taken over
the asylum.  I had no idea it was a CSAP day.  I asked the teacher if
the inmates had indeed taken over and she laughed, and said they were
starting CSAPs with some sour suckers and gum to get the kids amped
up.  I didn't see the Green Gear winner and she told me he was with
another teacher whom I didn't know.  Several kids immediately raised
their hands to show me.  She allowed one of the kids to show me to the
other teacher's room.

Inside, the mood was completely different.  Three kids, facing the
north, south, and east walls.  No laughter.  No candy.  The door was
closed.  I entered without knocking, because I wanted the boy to have
a treat before starting the CSAP.  The teacher was visibly agitated
that I entered without knocking.  I didn't see the boy, because he was
facing a wall that was blocked by a closet.  The teacher pointed over
there, saying "He's here.".  I gave him the prize and his $10, and at
this point I was feeling embarrassed.  However, I perserved with my
ritual prize ceremony in the face of FUD and took his picture.  I take
pictures of all the Freikers of the Week.  The teacher interrupted
with a stern "We are trying to start the CSAP."  I said, "I know" and
proceeded to take the picture anyway.  I knew that it would help the
boy, because he would be starting off proud of his accomplishment of
Freiker of the Week.  My interruption lasted about 30 seconds.  I left
right after.

Those three kids were being trained to be fearful.  They didn't know
it, and the teacher obviously didn't know it.  I know her husband, and
he's a great guy.  I'm sure she's a great person, too.  However, she
takes her job very seriously.  Too seriously imiho.  She was training
the kids to fear failure by her seriousness and huffiness.  She was
trying to embarrass me.  It worked inside, but I didn't let it show.
She also was setting up a culture of fear.

I don't know why the kids were being isolated, but the room felt like
a morgue.  They hadn't actually started taking the test.  They were
waiting, and she was talking just one of the students.  She could have
continued preparing the child, and given a smile to the other boy for
having won the Green Gear.

Instead, I suspect she was afraid that the disruption would hurt their
chances of doing well.  Well-meaning behavior can instill fear just
like everything else.  (My well-meaning interruption this morning
might have instilled fear in the other kids, because they might have
feared they had less time to do the test.  I weighed the risks before
entering, and in hindsight, I'm fairly sure my quick risk-benefit
analysis was right.  Read Blink by Gladwell for an insight into
instantaneous risk-benefit analysis.)

Our brains take about 30 years to mature (The Neuroscience of
Psychotherapy by Cozolino), and brain development dramatically slows
by the time we are 20.  Fastest growth is during our primary school
years.  Humiliation is a strong part of that early training.  We get
embarrassed because we fear humiliation by our peers, parents,
teachers, extended family, etc.  Very early on, we stop taking
chances.  It's why most people don't commit crimes, and it's why
people fear speaking in public more than death.  You don't have to be
embarrassed after death, but it's pretty embarrassing even to the most
enlightened speakers to be laughed at by a roomful of people.  And
even some some people having near death experiences are embarrassed
about what is happening to them (Underground by Murakami).

Pressfield has it right that Resistance is the reason we don't sit
down to program.  Instead we get a snack, write an email about FUD, or
shoot baskets or whatever.  Resistance is FUD.  FUD is rooted in fear,
a deep-seated fear of humiliation.

Failure in itself is not scary.  If you fail in a forest, there's
nobody around to embarrass you.  We all take more risks when people
aren't watching us, and even more risks when we feel that we won't get
caught (viz Enron, Adelphia, etc.)  It's the fear of public failure
that prevents us from writing code, or for example, writing a book.
I've done both, and it takes me longer than a lot of people, because I
am deeply afraid of public failure.

Psychologists can help with this.  You can't "Turn Pro", just because
you want to.  The will isn't strong enough.  If it were, Pressfield's
right, there wouldn't be any wars and everybody would be happy enough.
We would will ourselves to be happy, to understand our neighbors'
points of view, to be satisfied with our current circumstances, and to
love everybody.  That ain't reality.  Desire (aka greed) can't
dominate fear unless we are trained from a very early age to not fear
people, that is, to not be afraid of people laughing at us.  Sticks
and stones break our bones, and laughter makes us cry, usually very
deeply inside.

I'm still undoing my fear-based upbringing with my psychologist.
She's done a great job of keeping me focused, although I'm a master at
diverting her and myself away from my deep-seated fears (viz this
email :-).  It's pretty much to the point where all she has to do is
remind me, "You know why you did [that behavior]".  Yet, she still
surprises me every visit with her insight into the roots of my
behavior.

If you have ever worked with me or even read my book or code, you know
I have a very strong will.  Yet, my fears are still stronger.  "But,
as so often happens, fear has clouded their judgement." (Paul Graham)
It clouds mine all the time.

Exercise for the reader: At the end of today (whenever today is),
count the number of times fear in all its manifestations (humiliation,
physical safety, financial security, etc.) changed the way you
behaved.  If you come up with less than five and you actually went
outside your house, you are probably ignorant of many of your fears,
or you are the Dalai Lama.

Rob

P.S. If the Dalai Lama is reading this, please contact me about a job
      at bivio.  We're always looking for truly fearless programmers,
      even when they don't know how to program. :-)

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senthil kumar wrote:

[ snip ]

>   plz help me

Senthil,

This mailing list is for the discussion of Extreme Programming practices
as they relate to Perl. It is not a place to get general Perl help.

You'd be better off asking your question on Perl Monks
(http://perlmonks.org/) or on one of the Learn Perl mailing lists
(http://learn.perl.org/).

Cheers,

Dave...

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if($word=~/ant+/)
  {
    print "matched";
  }
  else
  {
      print " not matched";
  }
   print "\n";
   what is the output of this code:

plz explain me
   i m trying to write regular expression for palindrome checking,upper case nd
lower case conversion .
   for upper case and lower case upper cases and lower cases in word are chnaged
to upper case and lower case respecdtively.
   eg:sENTHIL ..this is going to be expected as Senthil
   output:Senthil
   another one doubt is how to get ascii value of the numbers and the alphabets..
   $love="senthil kumar";
   $love=~tr/senthil/kumar/;
   print $love;
   print "\n";
   output is
   kumarrr kumar.can we get ouput using tr.we can get using substtuition.
   because senthil has 7 letters in itbut replacing kumar has 5 letters in it. so
r is placed three times.
   but i want the word kumar kumar
   plz help me
   bye
   take care
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Thanks.... :)

I sent an unsubscribe message the other day, fed up with the lack of
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Man, quit spamming this crap to this list.  It is for EXTREME PERL,
not NON-PERL CRAP.

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Matisse Enzer wrote:
> On Feb 19, 2006, at 4:49 PM, Alex Viggio wrote:
>
>> Any plan to video capture the meeting, or will you be posting
>> slides or
>> summary notes?
>
> I don't know of any plans for video - I certainly don't mind if
> someone does record it.
>
> As for notes, if I end up having any real notes :-) I will post them at
> http://eigenstate.net/epic_demo/ but no promises :-)
>
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On Feb 19, 2006, at 4:49 PM, Alex Viggio wrote:

> Any plan to video capture the meeting, or will you be posting
> slides or
> summary notes?

I don't know of any plans for video - I certainly don't mind if
someone does record it.

As for notes, if I end up having any real notes :-) I will post them at
http://eigenstate.net/epic_demo/ but no promises :-)

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Any plan to video capture the meeting, or will you be posting slides or
summary notes?

Does anyone on this list have experience with perlnow.el?

Thanks,
- Alex

James Keenan wrote:
> On Feb 19, 2006, at 5:48 AM, extremeperl@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
>>    Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:33:49 -0800
>>    From: Matisse Enzer <matisse@...>
>> Subject: Perl IDE Demonstration and Comparison - Feb 28, 2006, San
>> Francisco
>>
>> The San Francisco Perl Mongers are sponsoring a demo of three Perl
>> IDE's on Tuesday, February 28, 2006:
>>
>> http://twoalpha.blogspot.com/2006/02/perl-ide-demonstration-and-
>> comparison.html
>> (has links to location map etc.)
>>
>>      * Emacs - Joe Brenner will show Emacs with perlnow.el.
>>      * EPIC/Eclipse - I'll be doing this demo. (See my article on why
>> Perl Needs Better Tools)
>>      * Komodo - Josh Berkus is showing ActiveState's Komodo (works
>> Linux, OS X and Windows)
>>
>>
>
> I hope this demo "hits the road."  It would make an excellent workshop
> for YAPC in Chicago in June.
>
> Jim Keenan
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On Feb 19, 2006, at 5:48 AM, extremeperl@yahoogroups.com wrote:

>    Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:33:49 -0800
>    From: Matisse Enzer <matisse@...>
> Subject: Perl IDE Demonstration and Comparison - Feb 28, 2006, San
> Francisco
>
> The San Francisco Perl Mongers are sponsoring a demo of three Perl
> IDE's on Tuesday, February 28, 2006:
>
> http://twoalpha.blogspot.com/2006/02/perl-ide-demonstration-and-
> comparison.html
> (has links to location map etc.)
>
>      * Emacs - Joe Brenner will show Emacs with perlnow.el.
>      * EPIC/Eclipse - I'll be doing this demo. (See my article on why
> Perl Needs Better Tools)
>      * Komodo - Josh Berkus is showing ActiveState's Komodo (works
> Linux, OS X and Windows)
>
>

I hope this demo "hits the road."  It would make an excellent workshop
for YAPC in Chicago in June.

Jim Keenan

The San Francisco Perl Mongers are sponsoring a demo of three Perl
IDE's on Tuesday, February 28, 2006:

http://twoalpha.blogspot.com/2006/02/perl-ide-demonstration-and-
comparison.html
(has links to location map etc.)

      * Emacs - Joe Brenner will show Emacs with perlnow.el.
      * EPIC/Eclipse - I'll be doing this demo. (See my article on why
Perl Needs Better Tools)
      * Komodo - Josh Berkus is showing ActiveState's Komodo (works
Linux, OS X and Windows)

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Since there was a helpful discussion some time ago on USB keyboards and mice
for pair programming that was not specific to perl, I wanted to solicit the
group for information on network software (also not specific to perl).



I just set up openVPN on my openwrt/WRT54G router for pair programming with
a headset and skype.



(1) Can any point me to the documentation on sharing desktops on windows? I
need to create  accounts on Win2003 XP Server. When I created an account
belonging only to the user group, my partner could not log in. He was
receiving some error message about not being permitted to log in
interactively. However, when I added the administrator group (reluctantly)
to his account, he could log in. Is there a tutorial somewhere on the web
for creating user accounts in windows for use with remote desktop logins on
VPNs?



(2) How do I share my remote desktop setting with a programming pair
partner?



(3) What about sharing sessions when I'm booted with linux? I think there is
a vnc program out there, but I don't know how to use it. I'll need to learn
how to create accounts and share linux desktops with remote VPN users. Is
there a tutorial on this?



(4) Are video cams very helpful for pair programming?



It seems that this kind of knowledge would be very common for pair
programmers.



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Given the overwhelming activity of this group, I thought it might be
fun to take some of the volatile communication offline, face-to-face.

I'll be en route from Mountain View to San Francisco on 3/9 towards
the late afternoon and then on 3/10 hopping across the Bay Bridge over
the hills the next morning.  Email me privately if you would like to
have an Extreme Perl discussion group for an hour or so.

I have a conference in East Lansing on 3/18.  I was thinking of
showing up a day earlier to visit friends in Ann Arbor.  If there's
interest, I could set up a discussion group on the afternoon or early
morning of 3/17.  Again, email me privately if you'd be interested.

OK, back to the heated discussion.

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Hyatt Regency Hotel
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*** CFP SUBMISSION DEADLINES WILL SOON ARRIVE ***

- January 31, 2006:  Discovery Session, Experience Reports, Hands-on
    Sessions, Tutorials

- February 28, 2006:  Research Papers, Educators' Symposium

Agile 2006 will be an exciting conference about techniques and
technologies, attitudes and policies, research and experience, and the
management and development sides of agile software development. The
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lifetime and being able to incorporate emergent requirements. It
accentuates the use of rich, informal communication channels and
frequent delivery of running, tested systems, while attending to the
human component of software development.

Agile 2006 gives attendees access to the latest thinking in this domain,
and bridges communities that rarely get a proper chance to exchange
ideas and thoughts. It brings together researchers from labs and
academia with executives, managers, and developers in the trenches of
software development. The conference is not about a single methodology
or approach, but rather provides a forum for the exchange of information
regarding all agile development technologies.

Visit the conference website at http://www.agile2006.com for details on
all submission categories and links to the online submission areas.

We invite submissions for the following:

**Research paper
An original contribution to the field of agile development. These
submissions have the potential to promote reflection in the field, to
deepen our understanding of agile approaches, to influence future
developments, and to inspire innovation.

**Educators' Symposium
A one-day event targeted particularly for agile educators. Sessions here
may take a variety of forms, such as papers, panels and activities.

**Experience Report
An opportunity to describe what did or didn't work for you on a project.
Experience reports allow practitioners to share practical advice and
warnings to other teams.  The proposal is a short summary of your
experience which will result in a paper presentation at the conference.

**Discovery Session
An opportunity for conference attendees to learn from each other about a
relevant topic and share the concrete outcomes after the session. These
90 or 180 minute sessions may take several formats including a think
tank, a goldfish bowl or a workshop.

**Tutorial
An opportunity for an expert to share knowledge with others through a
combination of lecture and exercise. Tutorials may be either 90 or 180
minutes.

**Hands-on session
An all-day or multi-day event during which participants are encouraged
to drop in and stay from one hour to all day to work hands-on developing
software. In past years, hands-on events featured the FIT Fest, which
provided opportunities to use FIT and FitNesse.

I've started adding test to a large collection of old but still
actively modified code. Made a blog post about the general process I'm
currently using:
http://twoalpha.blogspot.com/2006/01/adding-unit-tests-to-legacy-code.html

I also want to mention and recommend Michael Feathers new book
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Senthil,

                I thing, you are trying to display some values from a Tk window .
If thats the case, it would be better to call the different function rather than
the diff perl program .
alternatively, if you would like to keep the modularity of the Perl, you could
go for the different Perl library for that functionality.

   Hope this might be helping you to resove ur question.
   Wish you a happy new year.

   thx,
Pons.

     Humble Request : Kindly post the emails which are related to extremeperl
only.
So that, we could discuss lot of things on XP rather than Perl .

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   #!/usr/bin/perl -w
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hi frnds

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#!/usr/bin/perl -w
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do 'anotherperlfile.pl';


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On 12/8/05, perlpons <perlpons@...> wrote:
>  Hi All,
>
>  Could you please give me some idea on what are all the practical
>  issues/points to be addressed before developing the project on XP
>  compared to the traditonal plan driven project management.

Client buy-in. XP requires a lot of work from the client's end. It's
not enough for the client to say "Build this" and wait 6 months. The
client is going to be involved on a weekly, if not daily, basis.

Also, the client is going to have to understand that the first version
they're going to be seeing is NOT going to be feature-complete. In
fact, it will probably have bugs, too. They will be expected to help
figure out minor details, too. This may seem burdensome to many
clients.

Rob

Hi All,

Could you please give me some idea on what are all the practical
issues/points to be addressed before developing the project on XP
compared to the traditonal plan driven project management.

Could you please help me on this,
Pons.