You can use USB keyboards and get a USB multiplexer to hook in as many
as you want.

There are dual monitor video cards on the market (Matrox makes one, the
Nvidea Quatro4 200 also works), but with Windows you'll still only have
one keyboard and mouse focus on the screen.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sieg_Heintze [mailto:sieg_heintze@...]
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 2:53 PM
To: extremeperl@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [extremeperl] Hardware for multiple keyboards and mice on
Windows


[...]

I'm buying a new computer and I want to configure it for pair
programming.

Presently my motherboard only has one receptical for a single
keyboard. What hardware do I need to buy for my new computer to
accommodate multiple keyboards for pair programming on windows?  Can
we each have our own mouse too?

What about dual monitors. What do I need need for each programmer to
have his own monitor. Does that require an additional video card? It
seems like it should not, I just want the same video signal sent to
two monitors.

On May 7, 2004, at 5:52 PM, Sieg_Heintze wrote:
> Presently my motherboard only has one receptical for a single
> keyboard. What hardware do I need to buy for my new computer to
> accommodate multiple keyboards for pair programming on windows?  Can
> we each have our own mouse too?

If you're using PS/2 keyboards you can use the Y-key adapter:

http://kinesis-ergo.com/other_adap.htm

It allows you to use both keyboards at once. I have one at work because
I use the kinesis ergo contoured keyboard and nobody else can. It works
pretty well except for some skittishness at startup -- sometimes it
doesn't initialize one of the keyboards -- but it's easy to work
around. But since it's $60, if you don't have someone using a special
keyboard you're probably better off just getting two USB keyboards...

Now I just need to get people to pair...

Chris

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May I confirm here?

Let's assume I get the USB keyboards and multiplexer
or the Y connector for PS/2 keyboards and 2 PS/2
keyboards (http://kinesis-ergo.com/other_adap.htm).

MS Windows (or Linux) is going to think all the
keystrokes are coming from a single keyboard and not
multiple keyboards? MSWindows is also going to think
there is a single mouse and not muliple mice?

Furthermore, I need no special software for this?

   Thanks,
      Siegfried

--- Greg Compestine <gcompestine@...>
wrote:
> To: <extremeperl@yahoogroups.com>
> From: "Greg Compestine"
> <gcompestine@...>
> Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 16:58:22 -0700
> Subject: RE: [extremeperl] Hardware for multiple
>
>
> You can use USB keyboards and get a USB multiplexer
> to hook in as many
> as you want.
>
> There are dual monitor video cards on the market
> (Matrox makes one, the
> Nvidea Quatro4 200 also works), but with Windows
> you'll still only have
> one keyboard and mouse focus on the screen.
>





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On May 10, 2004, at 5:51 PM, Richard Heintze wrote:
> May I confirm here?
>
> Let's assume I get the USB keyboards and multiplexer
> or the Y connector for PS/2 keyboards and 2 PS/2
> keyboards (http://kinesis-ergo.com/other_adap.htm).
>
> MS Windows (or Linux) is going to think all the
> keystrokes are coming from a single keyboard and not
> multiple keyboards? MSWindows is also going to think
> there is a single mouse and not muliple mice?
>
> Furthermore, I need no special software for this?

The purpose of the PS/2-Y adapter is to trick the computer into
thinking a single keyboard is connected when two actually are. It
certainly works that way under Win32 -- no additional software
required. I assume it works the same under linux but I've not tested
this directly.

Chris

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On Mon, May 10, 2004 at 06:02:47PM -0400, Chris Winters wrote:
> On May 10, 2004, at 5:51 PM, Richard Heintze wrote:
> > May I confirm here?
> >
> > Let's assume I get the USB keyboards and multiplexer
> > or the Y connector for PS/2 keyboards and 2 PS/2
> > keyboards (http://kinesis-ergo.com/other_adap.htm).
> >
> > MS Windows (or Linux) is going to think all the
> > keystrokes are coming from a single keyboard and not
> > multiple keyboards? MSWindows is also going to think
> > there is a single mouse and not muliple mice?
> >
> > Furthermore, I need no special software for this?
>
> The purpose of the PS/2-Y adapter is to trick the computer into
> thinking a single keyboard is connected when two actually are. It
> certainly works that way under Win32 -- no additional software
> required. I assume it works the same under linux but I've not tested
> this directly.

Using Fedora Core 2 test 3 I can connect as many USB mice/keyboards
and they all work in tandem.  Not sure if older distributions work in
this way, but they may..


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Hi Rob,

--- In extremeperl@yahoogroups.com, Rob Nagler <nagler@b...> wrote:
> Karl Scotland writes:
>
> > One thing I wondered was
> > whether it might be easier to review as a pdf - or is that just me
> > being too lazy to print out all the chapters separately?
>
> I had it as a PDF, but that stopped working.  I was using Stas
> Bekman's DocSet, and for some reason that broke, and I was too
> busy to fix it.  Alternatively, I could probably make the book
> a single HTML page fairly easily.  Would that work for you?

getting a single HTML page would be a real relief.

--Norbert

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Hi Rob,

I am working through your online book and I am quite impressed  :-))

In chapter 10 under "Footnotes", the footnote "5." is just a cyclic
link to the book itself instead of a link to "refactoring functions
for Emacs".

Since I am using Emacs I would be very interested in seeing those
mentioned "refactoring functions".

Cheers,

Norbert

Norbert Gruener writes:
> I am working through your online book and I am quite impressed  :-))

Thanks.  BTW, I didn't ignore your post for a PDF.  It's still in my
inbox. :-)  Seriously, we just started working on converting the book
to PDF.

> Since I am using Emacs I would be very interested in seeing those
> mentioned "refactoring functions".

I uploaded it: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/extremeperl/files/

We'll add it to the Bivio-bOP release, too.  Be warned that all
features in b-perl.el might not work with every version of cperl.

BTW, chapter 10 is almost done.  It's got to get done, because I'm
giving a workshop on continuous design in a few weeks.  :-)

Rob

This is a timely post. I was on the verge of sending out the very same
query. I have two questions:

1. Which versions of cperl has b-perl.el been tested against?

2. How do I reference b-perl.el in my .emacs file?

Thanks,

Greg



-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Nagler [mailto:nagler@...]
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 5:50 AM
To: extremeperl@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [extremeperl] Online Book, Ch 10: nonfunctional link

[...]

I uploaded it: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/extremeperl/files/

We'll add it to the Bivio-bOP release, too.  Be warned that all features
in b-perl.el might not work with every version of cperl.

Greg Compestine writes:
> This is a timely post. I was on the verge of sending out the very same
> query. I have two questions:
>
> 1. Which versions of cperl has b-perl.el been tested against?

4.19 is what we're using.  I think the compatibility problems are
related to some of the indenting "fixes" we put in.  The refactoring
functions probably will work with any version as they are not related
to any cperl specifics except the cperl-mode-map.

> 2. How do I reference b-perl.el in my .emacs file?

(require 'b-perl)

BTW, I mentioned the wrong chapter number in my last message (not even
realizing the subject was about Chapter 10 :-).  It's the Continuous
Design chapter, not Chapter 10 Coding Style, which will be out soon.

Rob

Somehow I missed the beginning of this discussion.
Where are the archives of this mailing list where I
can get the URL of this online book. Does the file
extension "el" refer to emacs lisp?
    Thanks
        Siegfried
--- Rob Nagler <nagler@...> wrote:
> Greg Compestine writes:
> > This is a timely post. I was on the verge of
> sending out the very same
> > query. I have two questions:
> >
> > 1. Which versions of cperl has b-perl.el been
> tested against?
>
> 4.19 is what we're using.  I think the compatibility
> problems are
> related to some of the indenting "fixes" we put in.
> The refactoring
> functions probably will work with any version as
> they are not related
> to any cperl specifics except the cperl-mode-map.
>
> > 2. How do I reference b-perl.el in my .emacs file?
>
> (require 'b-perl)
>
> BTW, I mentioned the wrong chapter number in my last
> message (not even
> realizing the subject was about Chapter 10 :-).
> It's the Continuous
> Design chapter, not Chapter 10 Coding Style, which
> will be out soon.
>
> Rob
>
>





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Hi Rob,

On Mon, Jun 07 2004, Rob Nagler wrote:
> Norbert Gruener writes:
> > I am working through your online book and I am quite impressed  :-))
>
> Thanks.  BTW, I didn't ignore your post for a PDF.  It's still in my
> inbox. :-)  Seriously, we just started working on converting the book
> to PDF.

thank you.  I didn't think that my post was ignored.  I just wanted to
state that there is some demand for a PDF version too or at least a
"one file" HTML version.  But I did not expect that such a beast would
show up a few of days later.

> > Since I am using Emacs I would be very interested in seeing those
> > mentioned "refactoring functions".
>
> I uploaded it: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/extremeperl/files/
>
> We'll add it to the Bivio-bOP release, too.  Be warned that all
> features in b-perl.el might not work with every version of cperl.

Thank you for providing that URL. I have picked it up and I will give
it a try.

Cheers,

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Hi Siegfried,

On Tue, Jun 08 2004, Richard Heintze wrote:
> Somehow I missed the beginning of this discussion.
> Where are the archives of this mailing list where I

the archive can be found at

     <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/extremeperl/>

Look for "Search Archive"   :-)))


> can get the URL of this online book.

You can find the "online book" at

         <http://www.extremeperl.org/>


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I got two mice hooked up to a single motherboard! I got two monitors
hooked up to a single motherboard!

I'm having trouble with with the two keyboards. I have two PS/2
keyboards with USB adapters and I plug them into a little USB hub and
Windows 2003 issues a little error message. Only one keyboard works.

Do I really need to buy two new USB keyboards? Are not they the same
as a PS/2 keyboard with an adapter?
   Thanks,
      Siegfried

--- Greg Compestine <gcompestine@...>
wrote:
> To: <extremeperl@yahoogroups.com>
> From: "Greg Compestine"
> <gcompestine@...>
> Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 16:58:22 -0700
> Subject: RE: [extremeperl] Hardware for multiple
> keyboards and mice on Windows
>
> You can use USB keyboards and get a USB multiplexer
> to hook in as many
> as you want.
>
> There are dual monitor video cards on the market
> (Matrox makes one, the
> Nvidea Quatro4 200 also works), but with Windows
> you'll still only have
> one keyboard and mouse focus on the screen.
>

We just released a PDF (letter and A4) version of Extreme Programming
in Perl.  The PDF was generated by converting the DocBook XML to
LaTeX.  There's a TOC and keyword index, all nicely linked.  The
translator was added to Bivio::XML::DocBook, which we'll put online
with the next bOP release.  Thanks to Justin Schell for struggling
through LaTeX for the first time.

The Continuous Design chapter (12) is now available.  There are also a
few corrections based on your feedback (thanks!).

If you happen to like comparing Java and Perl, you can download my
talk on continuous design which is based on chapters 11 and 12 with
examples written in Java:

http://www.bivio.biz/f/continuous-design.pdf

The Perl and Java code are quite different, and we didn't include the
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Java version.

Your feedback is greatly appreciated.

Rob

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sorry ppl i gopt carried away, please ignore my msg

extremly sorry
open child <open_sourcer@...> wrote:
Hi,

im sending my resume as attachment

Thankyou
Arun Kanth Ragini

binotechhr <binotech@...> wrote:

Hi,

We would like to introduce ourselves as Binotech Private Limited - a
HR Consulting company with Development and Training Divisions. We
cater to all the requirements of top tier companies, both in domestic
and overseas market.

We have an Immediate Requirement for Perl with Oracle / My SQL
Developer with ON-Site opportunity. This requirement is for a CMM
Level 5 company at Chennai. The compensation and the work environment
will be the best in the industry.

Requirement

Exp: 3 - 5 yrs.
Essentials:
Perl, Oracle / My SQL Development
Financial / Banking Domain
Good communication skills
On site of nearly 3 - 6 months.

As this is an URGENT Requirement your immediate response will be
highly appreciated. In any case, please send us your updated profile.

TREAT THIS AS URGENT

Your references of friends/peers will be highly appreciated.

Regards,
Anand R.V.

BINOTECH PRIVATE LIMITED
# 32, Karpagambal Nagar,
Mylapore, Chennai - 600 004.
Ph: 2498 8164 / 65
e-Mail:anand@...
URL:www.binotech.net







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I woke up and cobbled together a nasty post on perlmonks entitled

   MINI-LANGUAGES SUCK.

http://perlmonks.org/?node_id=428053

   it might be good to raise some points/counterpoints here.